He was only following the Chronicle’s orders
by David Benzion · 01/23/2006 8:50 amOne of the nice things about the Internet and blogs is that you don’t just have to hear someone read something over the radio– you can get a copy of it and look things over yourself.
The full-text of Dr. Richard Murray’s emailed response to Edd Hendee– interrupted by two instances of LST editorial snark, with a few passages emphasized in bold by LST:
From: "Murray, Richard W" <ADDRESS REDACTED BY LST>
To: <EddHendee@ADDRESS REDACTED BY LST>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:42:29 -0600
Subject: RE: Respose to Dr. Murray’s comments on DeLay poll
Edd:Since you say I have not addressed you specific criticisms about the poll, let me respond………….
While It is obvious that we simply disagree about a number of aspects of the Houston Chronicle survey of January 10-12, let me get a few things on the record. Some are factual, as in the first section below, others are more subjective.
(1) This survey was not "my survey." The Houston Chronicle decided they wanted to do the survey late in the week of January 2nd after Congressman Delay announced he would not seek to regain the Majority Leader position. I was out of town at the Southern Political Science Association meeting in Atlanta from Wednesday thru Sunday of that week and thus was not contacted by the newspaper. Rather, they talked with Bob Stein, the Dean of Social Sciences at Rice, and he agree that he and I would work with the paper on this project, as we had done on numerous surveys in the past. He assumed I would have no objection but did not talk with me about the survey until I got back to town Sunday afternoon.
By that time, Bob had worked up a draft of the survey in consultation with the Houston Chronicle reporters and had talked to our director of the polling center at UH, Chris Mainka, to make sure we could work this unexpected poll into our survey schedule as we were beginning work on a local school survey. Mr. Mainka said we could do this on short notice and ordered the sample from a commercial vendor. I reviewed the draft and suggested a number of additional questions and some changes in question wording. The suggestions I made were not accepted because Bob and the newspaper wanted to get the survey done quickly and did not want to add questions such as the ones I put forward. In the end, the only direct contribution I made to the wording of the survey was to add one more income bracket to the closed ended question about total family income.

I know nooothiinngg, NOOOOTTHIIINGG!!!
The survey was done at the UH Center for Public Policy Center polling center under the direction of Chris Mainka, who hires all interviewers, programs the surveys we do, supervises the actual interviewing, etc.. Chris is, I believe, a conservative and Republican in private life, but that is not relevant – he is a proven professional who has done a tremendous job managing our survey operations over the last 4 years. Because I trust him, in this case as with other polls, I did not go to the survey center during polling; did not handle the data, nor involve myself in any way in the execution of the project until the complete data set was sent to Dr. Stein and myself.
Bob Stein and I reviewed the data and ran a number of cross-tabulations and breakdowns on the data, and met with Houston Chronicle reporters as they were developing their stories. We supported putting the survey results on the Chronicle’s website.
(2) While my direct involvement in the survey itself was limited, as the above comments suggest, I absolutely stand behind the survey as solid work done in accordance with accepted methods in the profession and consistent with the ethical standards of the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR).
My confidence in the poll, aside from knowing it was executed by non-political professionals, is also based on independent factual indicators that are not subject to challenge. One is the racial/ethnic makeup of the Chronicle poll sample compared to the 2000 census data for the district. These are detailed below.
18+ population in 22nd district
in 2000 census Chronicle sample of 560 voters
Anglos 63.2% 73,6%
Blacks 9.3% 8.4%
Hispanics 18.2% 8.0%
Asian/Other 9.3% 7.4%
Refused – 2.5%
A second independent measure is available because we can look at the recalled vote of the 342 people in the Chronicle survey who said they voted in the November 2004 congressional election between Tom Delay, Richard Morrison, and a couple of other candidates, versus actual result. Here are those data:
Actual congressional
Vote in November 2004 Recalled vote (n=342)
Tom Delay 150,386 .. 55.16% 179….. 52.34%
Richard Morrison 112,034 41.09% 132…. 38.60%
Others 10,200 3.74% 31… 9.06%
When you look at further internal measures such as reported partisanship of the sample, approval rating of President Bush, etc. these data have very high face validity. The sample like thew district, has a distinct Republican tilt, likes George W. Bush a lot more than Americans in general, and so forth.
BOTTOM LINE: These are good data, and because of that, Professor Stein and myself agreed that no weighting was appropriate in this case.
(3) Critics of the Chronicle survey have based much of their attack on a misunderstanding of one section of the survey – the March 2006 Republican primary horse race. The charge is the poll is flawed, biased, etc. because "everyone" - Democrats, Libertarians, non-partisans, etc. were asked how they would vote in the Republican primary for Congress among the four candidates who will be on the ballot. This charge is a red herring without merit.
The data the Chronicle reported in the trial heat are for the 213 voters who said they were a) "certain" or "likely" primary voters and b) when asked which primary they would vote in said "Republican." That group included a few voters who looked like "crossover" voters who said they were Democrats and/or had voted for Richard Morrison but the internals are consistent with what we would expect from GOP primary voters (most are conservatives, give Pres. Bush high marks, etc.. In sum, the central attack on the Chronicle poll does not stand up upon examination.
Critics have also said the Chronicle should have polled a different population – say just Republican primary voters. As the sponsor of the poll, the newspaper makes the call as to whom they want to interview. In this case, it was the registered voters in the Congressman’s district – all registered voters – and that is their call as a news-gathering organization. They made this clear in their stories and that is their only obligation in this regard. If another news organization or entity wants to poll people who’ve voted in recent Republican primaries, fine, but that is not what the Houston Chronicle wanted to do and they paid for the poll.

I was only following ze’ Chronicle’s orders!
(4) Finally, critics have said the Chronicle poll is phony, biased, etc. because I am personally a Democrat in my political leanings and thus anything I do in this area is tainted. Critics have also noted one of my sons is a Democratic consultant who worked for Nick Lampson in 2005. I am personally a Democrat, and my son did work for Nick Lampson and it is perfectly kosher to point that out so that readers can assess any information from me with those facts in mind.
However, I absolutely reject the charge that in this survey or any other I have worked on, that I have "cooked" the data or otherwise misrepresented it to attain some kind of partisan advantage for a candidate or side I favor. In my 40 years in the classroom and 35 years of polling I’ve striven to play it down the middle, and I believe I have succeeded. Those who would argue differently have a long track record to examine to support their charges. They might start with the thousands of students I have taught at UH, like legislators John Whitmire and Beverly Woolley and County Judge Robert Eckels, or more recently Tyler Nelson, who just completed a semester-long internship in the Washington office of Congressman Tom Delay and is presently a White House Fellow working in Dick Cheney’s office.
As to polls, I long ago learned that when a survey I am associated with reports data that undermine a powerful public official, harsh personal attacks will likely follow to deflect attention from the poll results. My mentor in this regard was that great master of the dark arts of political villainy, the late Bob Bullock. In May of 1978 I worked on a poll for the Houston Post that reported then Governor Dolph Briscoe was in serious trouble in the upcoming Democratic primary against challenger John Hill. The same day the Post ran a front-page story by Jane Ely hyping the story, the Houston Chronicle ran a front-page story (I believe written by Bo Byers) wherein I was castigated by then Secretary of State Bullock as a "star-gazing Phd" who had done "the worst thing possible - used my academic position to mislead the voters of the state". I found it quite fascinating that 28 years later, another person who served in that same appointed office (Jack Rains) has made a similar, but in decidedly less vivid language, attack on your humble servant over this most recent poll which suggests yet another powerful elected official may be in serious hot water with voters.
A few days after the 1978 poll, Briscoe was defeated in the Democratic primary.
The 2006 poll does not show, in my judgment, that Tom Delay is nearly as likely to lose his upcoming March primary contest as Dolph Briscoe was, but it does clearly show a substantial erosion in his support which does endanger his returning to Congress in 2007.
And, one final response to Edd Hendee’s closing point.
I do not think personally think Congressman Delay’s fate hinges as much on Ronnie Earle’s investigation, indictment, upcoming trial, etc. There are, it seems to me as a non-lawyer, a lot of problems with Earle’s case. More important, in my opinion, is what comes out of the on-going probe on Capitol Hill by the Public Integrity Unit of the U.S. Department of Justice. If the 40+ lawyers and hundreds of FBI agents that are vigorously working that case conclude Congressman Delay is not culpable in the Abramoff matter, his political position will be greatly strengthened. If they decide otherwise, the results will be devastating.
Blog on!
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If it wasn’t his survey, why all of the other response and rationalizations?
Me thinks there’s a roach in the cubbard!
Q. What was the point the Chron was hoping to make with their poll?
Q. Did Dr. Murray support this predeterminied goal?
Q. Why should we believe anything beyound the obvious that the Chron want to discredit Delay and generate the appearance that his district doesn’t support him either.
Q. Has Delay been convicted of ANYRTHING?
Q. Can any logical person give any amount of credance to anythiing political that the Chron prints?
Dr. Murray - I am not a ‘professional pollster’, but the critical flaw in the survey, to me at least, is that the Chronicle picked the sample population of the poll in such a way that would slant the results toward a pre-determined goal.
How can you support that and stand behind the methodology of this poll? Maybe I am too ’stupid’ to understand…
Dr. Murray’s response to me said that I’ll take any pile of manure (data) the Comical gives me, and I’ll throw a little perfume on it and try and tell you it’s bouquet of roses. The good professor’s name is all over his comments in public forums as to what he’s going to do to the GOP - and the groups he associates himself with indicate he is not non partisan.
Saying it’s not his responsibility as to who the Comical polled is laughable at best, but pathetic in reality. Face it Dr. Murray…..you’d stuck your nose in a pile of dung, it you found it wasn’t a rose, no matter how much you wanted it to be.
I find it interesting that he glosses over the problems related to the sample population (all registered voters versus confirmed primary voters) and blames it on the Chronicle. As a professional consultant, isn’t it incumbent upon him to advise his client on which population will provide the most accurate results?
Dr.Richard “your humble servant” “not my survey” “out of town at the Southern Political Science Association meeting in Atlanta” “assumed I would have no objection” “add one more income bracket” “I am personally a Democrat” “star-gazing Phd” Murray also said :
“…Bush is much more vulnerable in 2004 than 2000…job approval rating… had fallen…squeaks by again in the electoral college…would be a two-time loser of the popular vote…Denied a popular mandate…more difficult to stack the Supreme Court with right wing appointees in 2005 and 2006…”
http://www.political.com/analysis-arc/0536.html
The 2004 Dr. Richard Murray “Squeaker”…
Bush 62,040,606 votes with 286 electorial votes
Kerry 59,028,109 votes with 252 electorial votes
John Roberts is Chief Justice.
Samuel Alito nominated and most likely will be confimed.
LTC, according to Dr. Murray, it depends upon what IS is.
Oh Dr. Murray!!! Look to the right. See the statistical sampling we can give you off 1,104 voters (likely all of them who do vote), 72% say that Teddy Kennedy is obnoxious. Could you please put your name on that too? Now in reality, it said he was the MOST obnoxious. I’ll bet if you pull all ten Democrats out of the poll, and just poll the Republicans, you’d find that 99% find Teddy obnoxious, and 73% would say he’s the most obnoxious. By the way, when this poll was taken, I was out of town and didn’t know about it, but after I looked at it, I found the numbers valid (Poop).
Fascinating response - glad to share it. What’s interesting to me is that Chronicle and Dr. Murray are avowed DeLay haters and use the public funded facility of UH to perform slanted non-stnadard polls. The Chron wrote the story and then formed the poll with the help of the Democrat biased Dr. Bob Stein at Rice - then Dr. Murray did their bidding like an obedient servant. The real rub is that you supported this with your tax $$$ - UH is funded by State Legislature. Anyone care to guess what the response will be if we ask UH to run the opposite poll - i.e. asking Republicans if they will vote for Nick Lampson in the Democrat primary? I think we all know where that will end up - in the trash can in Dr. Murrays Democrat operative world headquarters…UH Center for Public Policy and Liberal advancement. See you in Austin Dr. Murray come budget time.
Dick Murrary’s “mentor” Bob Bullock was not Secretary of State in 1978 nor did he serve in Governor Briscoe’s administration. Bullock was Secretary of State under Governor Preston Smith from 1971-1972 and successfully ran for Comptroller of Public Accounts in 1974, 1978, 1982, and 1986. The professor is correct that Bullock didn’t care much for John Hill and even lent out some of his key staff members to eventual winner Governor Bill Clements’ campaign in 1978.
On a lighter note, Mr. Bullock used to tell a story about being pulled over in downtown Austin one night after driving his car off the road. He escaped a DWI that evening by telling the officer that he wasn’t drunk — he just thought he saw John Hill walking on the sidewalk.
I don’t think Dr. Murray is biased in his pollling. In fact, any errors in this poll are probably based on the client more than the pollster. But I do know this: I worked for Jack Rains (and also Bob Bullock) and the man knows how to read a poll. The Chronicle would be wise to acknowledge that there may be methodology problems and that polls are not perfect.
#9
Well stated. Enjoyed your show this am (most always do) Your correct, they are using OUR tax dollars to support this!
Go gettem’ Dan!
To All,
Dr Murray is right about one thing. If a poll’s results do not look good for a given candidate then we can expect that candidate and his supporters to condemn the poll and pollster.
The reverse is also true. If a poll is favorable to a candidate, then the poll is cited by the candidate and his supporters will treat the pollster as a new found genius.
The only poll that I pay attention to is the one taken at the ballot box.
Simple
Edd #9, didn’t the good Dr. Murray do some of the polling for Metro?
I’ve been workng in the PC world for as long as there have been PC’s. One common joke about getting the desired outcome is: “when all else fails - manipulate the data”. I believe that’s exactly what Dr Murray, the Chron, and all others involved in this farce are guilty of. I just wish it was illegal to deceive voters with such illusions. Unfortunately, there are those that will believe whatever “crap” is printed.
Bottom line. Would the Chron have published the pol if it showed Delay with overwhelming support? I dont think so. Would have been wadded up and thrown in the trash.
Wouldn’t it be nice if every home had a computer/internet connection and everyone was required to spend at least 30 minutes to one hour per weekday reading the posts on LST! That would certainly elevate the awareness/education level of the Sheeple, plus make them aware that everything that the Comical (and a lot of other papers)prints is not gospel.
One can only dream!
Dr. Murray’s page @ UofH is:
http://www.polsci.uh.edu/faculty/murray/Default.htm
Dr. Stein’s page @ Rice is:
http://www.rice.edu/Internet/search/query.php?tab=people&search=stein
If you look at them you can find the email for each of the good doctors.
Should you wish to express your opinion of their scholarship, please keep it on a high plane - name calling, etc., however it might be justified in this incidence, reflects badly on the conservative movement, and indeed usurps the tactics of the democrats…
Remember,
- when a liberal disagrees with a conservative, the liberal attributes it to evil-mindedness on the conservative’s part.
- when a conservative disagrees with a liberal, the conservative attributes it to ignorance on the liberal’s part.
I’m gonna go off on a tangent.
Notice in the ethnic breakdown they use the term Hispanics. They don’t refer to them as Mexican because they don’t know if they are Mexican or Colombian or what. So, why do they feel free to use the term Anglo? I never realized that the district was so heavily populated by the British! I know some modern definitions accept the term as describing all English speakers, but that’s ridiculous! It refers to people of English descent! I hate that!
Dr. Murray claims that he didn’t have time to give input because the Chronicle was rushed to get the poll in the field. Of course they were - they found out before that weekend that some liberal 527 was running a negative ad (that broadcasters refused to run because is was so outrageous) on all local stations the week of Jan. 10. Convenient that the Chronicle chose the 10-12 to run their poll - they wanted to be in the field the same time this ad was hitting their potential respondents.
Just what the Hell is ‘Hispanic’? At best it seems to be a commonality of language. . . SO. . . shouldn’t all that speak English be in a recognized group called Anglish? Are we to be (in our best of all possible worlds color blind society) further catagorized by language as well as skin color? Whatever happend to just being AMERICAN?????????
Why can I not find a listing for “Anglos” on the 2000 Census ? The census for Houston http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48/4835000.html
shows that somehow the Chronicle forgot the 49.3% “White” population of the city. So sad that Mr. Murray would use a racial slur in describing his “statistical” data. Perhaps he can reexamine his claim that the information he is recieving from the US Census and state where he finds this “Anglo” voting population in Houston.