“The jihad is continuing with strength, for Allah be all the credit, despite all the barbarity, the repressive steps taken by the American Army and its agents, to the extent that there is no longer any mentionable difference between this criminality and the criminality of Saddam.”
We live in a bizzarro country. Mexico is on the verge of reclaiming the US without firing a shot. Iran is on the verge of having Nukes and threatening to wipe out Israel and the USA. China is building a massive army and nukes to match the USA. Venezuela is posturing for a fight and hooking up with Iran and Cuber. While this happends we:
Ass kiss Mexico and welcome the invasioners with free stuff.
Buy oil and support Irans economy and military build up.
Buy everything from China,help them build their military by our presidents selling them technology and reduce our manufacturing capacity at the same time.
Buy oil from Venezuela supplying them with the funds they need to help Iran and Cuber wipe the US out.
And last but not least. We are at war with the Arabs and Islam and we pay them to run the security for our largest ports.
Gentlemen, gentlemen,
Please remember that no matter what the world may threaten us with this president will find the testicular assets to wreak havoc upon the country that actually attacks the US. Why don’t they, they still look around and see Afghanastan and Iraq. Idiots and bums will always want to rule contries and the world, but they don’t usually jeapordize their position by kicking the biggest and baddest kid in the shin.
Happy belated B-Day Sarge! On top of all that bizzarro stuff Gregg listed, my kid isn’t off school for President’s Day. Since when did that become the deal? Even my job called today a holiday.
Matt,
I saw him on FNS and he basically said the Dems need to convince the american people they are tough on defense. To them its all about the sales pitch and not the actual product. Thats like Cindy Sheehan trying to sell a line of bath soap and shampoo.
‘Shaker, congress is not the one pushing the turning over 6 of our ports to the (G-d-less) UAE. AND Michael Chertoff tell us that this has been ‘vetted’ and there is nothing to worry about. . . . RIGHT! Write your congressmen(women) and let them know how assinine this is. . . . mention treason possibly. . . .
I’ll bet in an election year, this port deal will be stopped most pronto.
Dems are funny though if they think the American people will view them as pro defense. It’s like liberals saying they support the troops, but are against the war. Then you look at the student senate at Univ. of Washington who refuse to let the memorial to Pappy Boyington be built on their campus, and where are the “pro defense, pro military” democrats that will stand up and say that it should be built?
Sarge,
what you say is legally true. However,I dont see GWB shouting from the rooftops any interest in the problem. GWB will go down as a weak and ineffective president. You see the Republicans in Congress and Senate running from him now for a reason. Wasted a great opportunity.
Has there ever been a President more out of touch with the people and more inattentive to the will of the people? Scary.
Peter Gadiel just doesn’t get it.
How, asks Gadiel, whose son James died in the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center, can a company owned by a terror-linked country get control of our nation’s ports?
“I’m a lifelong Republican and I think the President’s gone insane,” said Gadiel, 58, who heads 9/11 Families for a Secure America.
Drudgereport this morning:
HOUSTON — Houston’s police chief on Wednesday proposed placing surveillance cameras in apartment complexes, downtown streets, shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage of police officers.
Problem here is that the apartment complex that will afford the cameras is NOT where the problems are. Problems are where the rent is affordable by the people that commit the crimes, apartments that are on the level of low-high end. Did that I say that right?
Gregg
I agree, our President has wasted a lot of good opportunities on everything from Social Security reform to shutting down the border. On the first one, he lost the will to fight, on the second he likes the open borders and doesn’t care how destructive this is to our nation. He was equally ineffective with becoming oil independent.
I fault our President mainly on not using the bully pulpit to get his message out. He relies on individual campaign style speeches in various small localities to get out the message, but very few people go through the trouble of finding those speeches. He steadfastly runs from the MSM, and lets face it, the masses still get their news from the MSM. Most of the voters are too lazy to find the truth, wether it is in the MSM or in the alternative media.
But, some of our Senators are equally weak and Sen. Frist has not done a good job at all as leader.
The republican party has drifted away from their strong points and forgotten the Issues which got them elected. Once those people are elected they seem to be concerned only with getting re elected.
Dont worry about the cameras. The pictures are so crappy you cant tell who the people are unless they get right up close.
GWB has made such lousy judgements it makes me shake my head.Now I know why the Dems are always so mad. This guy had no business becoming President. It just shows how weak the Dem candidates were.I admit,I was fooled too. I thought the Republicans would come in,kick ass and take names. All they did was lick ass and play games.
#30 KRAUT. The GOP done forgot who it was that brung them to the dance. Libnuts are dumb enough to think that translates into votes for them, or that conservatives will stay home and not vote. Not likely. While conservatives might be highly irate at Pres. Bush, they aren’t going to forget what will happen if they stay at home and don’t vote. Unfortunately, the GOP knows this.
#30
I agree.. As a lifelong Republican, I see them as scared now they are in the driver’s seat. Many opportunities have been wasted (make your own list of these……) They are scared of a press that never gave them a chance, always criicizing. But, doing the right thing regardless of what people say will always win out in the end. They are too concerned about getting elected and re-elected to do anything REALLY substantive (like a fair tax system, border control….). I like term limits more and more… Getting someone out of office voluntarily is as hard as getting someone to stop buying crack with their welfare check, regardless of party. How long have some of them been in office? They are there to serve the nation, not themselves…. BOTH PARTIES
Blondes are sooooo much fun!! I urgently needed a few days off work,
but I knew the Boss would not allow me to take a leave. I thought that
maybe if I acted “CRAZY” then he would tell me to take a few days off.
So I hung upside down on the ceiling and made funny noises. My co-worker
(who’s blonde) asked me what I was doing? I told her that I was
pretending to be a light bulb so that the Boss would think I was “CRAZY”
and give me a few days off.
A few minutes later the Boss came into the office and asked “What are
you doing ?”
I told him I was a light bulb.
He said “You are clearly stressed out. Go home and recuperate for a
couple of days”.
I jumped down and walked out of the office.
When my co-worker (the blonde) followed me, the Boss asked her.” And
where do you think you’re going?”
(You’re going to love this!)
She said, “I’m going home too, I can’t work in the dark!”
33 “Scared of a press that never gave them a chance…”? What are you talking about. On Sept 12th, 99.9 percent of the world was behind the U.S. Everyone, except a few nutcases here and there, felt horrified and sorry for us and wouldn’t have blamed us for anything we did. The press didn’t question at that time, it was as somber and patriotic as any of us.
The biggest “opportunity” that Bush squandered and “right minded” zealots were fooled into dropping into lockstep was the opportunity to unite the world against the menace of terrorism. He lost that opportunity with his cowboy, dead or alive idiocy and we’ve paid for it (literally and figuratively) ever since.
What a shame and what a sham. Bush and this admin somehow got people to re-elect them by “talking tough” and “acting” conservative, when they have actually been nothing of the sort.
They’ve run up huge deficits, they’ve grown government and gotten government more into our personal lives. Their foreign policy, instead of using diplomacy to make us safer has actually just angered most of the rest of the world. All while more or less cheering on the American people to say, “Screw the rest of the world”.
While conducting a war to “liberate” people and spread democracy, many countries that have a vote are voting in governments who are opposed to us (Venezuela, Hamas, etc.)? How is that making the world safer for us?
If this country thinks that Arabs are all just crazy, jihadists, America-haters, why did we want to liberate them at all? And why do we still blindly follow the admin’s mantra of “stay the course”. What course?
“GWB will go down as a weak and ineffective president”
2001 - Eliminated a despotic regime in Afghanistan which now has a democratically elected government for the first time in its history.
2001 - Real tax cuts
2003 - Eliminated a despotic regime in Iraq. Has a chance at real democracy for the first time in many decades.
2004 - As a result of the above, Libya, one of the worst terrorist-supporting governments voluntarily agreed to halt its nuclear ambitions and let the U.S. verify.
2005 - Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, all flirting with democratic reforms.
2006 - even freakin’ France is talking tough with Iran now. FRANCE!
Weak and ineffective??? Every conservative here with any common sense has strongly criticized Bush when deserved (entitlements, border security, ports come to mind) but a blanket statement saying he’s “weak and ineffective” is not deserved.
There seems to be a pervasive feeling that its all Bush’s fault here. Some of it is absolutely. He needs to lead on many issues. But congress and more importantly, us as voters, bear responsibility.
#35
I believe that we all assume from your comments that you don’t like Bush and his policies? There’s many out there that agree with many of your criticisms.
And your solution is……
(There is no tongue in cheek here)
Vic lol, it was your left wing press that didn’t wait 10 days before they were asking “What did America do to bring this on itself?”. Get a life. The only reason the press shut up for 10 days is that they were afraid of the backlash of Americans. That didn’t last long. You continue to bury your head in the sand. The DLWM couldn’t wait to start tearing this country down. What have democrats ever done to fight terrorism? Answer? NADA.
Blacks founded the Texas Republican Party? On July 4, 1867, in Houston, Texas, 150 blacks and 20 whites formed the party. No, not the Black Texas Republican Party, they founded the Texas Republican Party. Blacks across Southern states also founded the Republican parties in their states.
My solution? Elect someone with a drastically different agenda and policy in the next election. Tried it last time, but, being in Texas, it was kind of a sacrificial vote. But, that’s ok, it being only the second time in my life that I hadn’t voted a straight repub ticket. I wasn’t expecting my vote to make much of a difference. But, did vote my concious and will again next time. Heres to Independents
#35 Vic
LOL, I guess you would’ve tried diplomacy with Adolf. And in case you didn’t notice, some of our former allies are starting to rethink their “appeasing at all cost” stance.
#40 Vic
You keep me in stitches, you are telling us that you voted REPUB?, AHA! the old worn out independent monicker, when one is ashamed of being called a liberal.
Big, Don’t forget that 9/11 happened during the Bush administration. They had been warned. You can try to blame the previous admin all you want, but, since November (and previously really) of 2000, when the election was in the balance, Bush and his team had to assume they would be taking office. When they finally did take office, they wouldn’t listen when told that terrorism would be their biggest problem.
As far as I am concerned that is just another part of the “Big Lie” that is this administration. To somehow put the blame for 9/11 on other people (I won’t mention names here), when in fact, they had to have been preparing to be in office for at least a year and WERE in office for 7 months and this happened ON THEIR WATCH.
And now our country and world are in the sorry shape that they are. 60 dollar oil, deficits as far as the eye can see. Democracies voting in America haters. I think that you all here will find a “tough slough” come November as much as bravado would have you think differently.
It seems as if some here are falling into the Dem and media trap of “Blame Bush for Everything.” Need I remind you good conservatives, that’s what gave us 8 long years of Wee Willy Clinton. Now, I’m not saying everything is rosy. I have suspended all Rep. contributions until something is done about the border issue. But, given the current usual suspects, this country cannot afford even 4 more years of a Demwit in the White House.
I think that is what actually kills you more. That people who were on “your” side are moving away. But, my voting record is very clear. All republican all the time until GWB. Reagan, all the way. What did Reagan do when the Marine Barracks were bombed in Beirut? He quietly took his battle elsewhere where it was necessary and let surrogates handle that part of the world for him. He had bigger wars to win. The cold war. What does baby bush do? He’s got the biggest threat since the cold war, terrorism, in his sights. He’s got the whole world on his side, and he goes and wastes an enormous amount of money and lives to get revenge for Daddy. What a shame that Boy George has done such a disservice to the good Bush name.
Dang. Too serious around here for a bank holiday. I’m taking the day off. I’ll be leaving soon to go 4-wheelin in the cold. Too bad tomorrow ain’t President’s day - it would be a lot warmer. I’ll have a good time anyway.
It’ll be interesting to see how the media will report it if Vic’s wish comes to pass. Will it be
a) A “Throw the bums out” response; or b) “The voters threw a temper tantrum”; or c) “Voters reject Bush (again)”?
Yeah, I’ve been noticing all of those Pro war rallies going on in both countries. Exactly how many German’s have died in Iraq?
Is Germany anti-terror? Well, of course they are. There government and people were just smart enough not to be convinced to go to war so that you could exchange a dictator who was fully under the worlds control (ie no WMD) and exchange it for some Mullah’s who will most certainly use all of their oil wealth to help their brethren in Iran to keep pursueing the bomb.
And, by the way, explain to me how tax cuts at the same time as record deficits falls under the perview of solid conservative fiscal discipline. Especially when your party is in complete control of two branches of the Government.
I’m sorry, I just don’t see this bunch of religious freak, warmongering republicans in the same light as I did the glorious Reagan/Bush 12 years. I sure hope they put someone up that can bring some old school republican values back to the country. Fiscal Discipline. Foreign policy that works, an America respected around the world for it’s honor, courage, and greatness, not for torture, secrecy, and ineptness both at home (Katrina) and abroad (Iraq)
#36 - “Weak and indecisive” may not be applicable terms. But I do think GW’s decision to invade Iraq will be viewed in the long term as a very very poor one, and one the consequences of which will take quite awhile to overcome. Hopefully for GW it will not turn out later that it was a decision that was in anyway “engineered” as well.
#22 - Kind of ironic that GW feels he has the power to wiretap on US citizens without the warrants normally required, but he feels he cannot use troops to secure our wide open to bin Laden followers border with Mexico. Maybe ironic is not the right term either.
#51 Vic
You are getting funnier.
Now you’re calling us a “bunch of religious freak,
war mongering republicans”, funny, those words sound very Liberal to me, not at all like words from a self proclaimed Reaganite.
#51 - Boy, for someone who was once a loyal Republican, you sure can spout the DNC talking points like a true-blue leftist.
To refute one of your DNC points: Here’s how tax cuts fall under conservative fiscal discipline — they prevent (or minimize) a recession, and they increase revenues to the Federal Treasury. If you don’t understand that, then I guess the Dem party is the one for you. You know, the party that likes to stick it to the so-called “rich.”
I’m not calling “you” or “us” religious freaks, war mongering republicans, I’m calling the current crop of Republican politicians that. Remember Terry Shiavo?
20 Years ago, 30 years ago, religion wasn’t such a big part of the political show. Once again, I’m for old school republicanism. I want to be able to worship any religion that I want to, but, I don’t want the Government to shove it down my throat. This country was based on those ideas.
Why todays republicans get so worked up about having religion expressed within government just baffles me. We certainly don’t like any other country that put’s it’s (non-christian) religion in the fore front of it’s politics. So, why would we want our government to do so with “our” religion?
Ripper, if you take in less than you spend, you have to borrow. When you borrow, you pay interest, which, doesn’t cost you today, but, it does tomorrow. If you think that Deficit spending is for me, I would think you are not a republican, but, rather a credit card company.
#55 Vic
You brought up the “religious freak” thing.
No one else has talked religion all morning long,
only you!
I gotta go, Vic. nice chatting with you,
read you again tomorrow!
#55 - “Why todays republicans get so worked up about having religion expressed within government just baffles me.”
Show me a case where republicans want to force you or anyone else to accept their religion. What I want is for lefties to stop forcing their religion (secularism, unscientific environmentalism, multiculturalism, cultural marxism) down our throats.
Vic, I agree deficits are too high! Where would you propose we start cutting to balance the budget? I know you don’t want to raise taxes, do you?
We had 9/11 because no president from Nixon thru Clinton did a darned thing about terrorism. Reagan made one bombing of Libya, that was about it.
You just don’t learn.
1993bombing at New York City’s World Trade Center. The terrorists succeed in killing six and wounding over 100 New Yorkers. But at least Clintone visited the site of that horrible terrorist attack didn’t he? No, he never went there.
Okay, Clinton was new in the job. He later distinguished himself as a stong commander-in-chief. Afterall, he did fiercely battle a faction of Al-Qaeda in Somalia right after the so-called Black Hawk Down incident. Well actually Clinton pulled out our troops. Well, we didn’t want to lose more soldiers and high-tech weaponry so Clinton did the right thing. But didn’t Clinton send troops in with tanks, Bradley armored vehicles and high-tech weapons? Uh, no, he didn’t. He sent them in with unarmored Hummers, rifles, grenades and launchers, and other conventional weapons? Well, at least he sent them in armed so they could defend themselves.
Bill Clinton then thwarted an attack on Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia in 1996, right? Oops, nope. The terrorists succeeded and killed 19 military personal, and wounded 30 more. My mistake.
But he did thwart the simultaneous attacks on our embassies in 1998…. Shucks, nope, he didn’t. 79 dead including 8 Americans, and 1,672 wounded.
Well, he had better luck in Yemen. Oops, not there either. 17 dead, 39 wounded on the US Navy’s USS Cole in 1999.
Well, you can’t argue with the fact that Clinton mobilized law enforcement and the intelligence community to work together to identify and takeout terrorists before they struck. His Administration prohibited intelligence agents from providing information to law enforcement agencies. His Justice Department increased the height of the “wall” prohibiting the FBI and the CIA from sharing information?
So when did Clinton succeed in thwarting a terrorist attack? The Millennium attack? No way. That one I know isn’t true. Clinton didn’t apprehend a Islamofascist on his way to bomb Los Angeles International Airport. It was achieved by an alert female US Customs agent. Clinton did take credit for it, but the DLWM knew that the hardworking Customs agent never received any terrorism alert and took it upon herself to investigate a suspicious looking character coming across the US-Canadian border. Yet, our unbiased MSM decided to allow Clinton and his flunkies to take credit and the Customs agent has been delegated to anonymity. The Customs agent who saved countless lives and property remains unknown in history, but William Jefferson Clinton is being allowed to rewrite history. Terrorism warrior, my foot. The only positive thing is that the brave Customs agent wasn’t disciplined for her use of racial profiling. A presidential commission led by Vice President Al Gore backpedaled on a tough baggage-screening proposal, after a flood of airline contributions to the Democratic Party in the closing weeks of the 1996 presidential election.
Now, Vic, since 9/11, how many terrorist attacks and deaths have we have outside of Iraq and Afghanistan?
Big, how many Americans were killed in Terrorist attacks during the Clinton Administration?
Now, how many Americans have been killed during the Bush administration?
I’ve never been a big fan of Clintons (except for his fiscal policy which provided us with Budget Surpluses for the first time in, …, forever), but, you can’t argue the fact that 9/11 HAPPENED DURING GEORGE BUSH’S PRESIDENCY.
If you are going to try to blame Clinton for all of those other attacks that happened during his time, then you have to do the same for Bush. Was Bush busy warmongering and getting Bin Ladin BEFORE 9/11? No, only after. Just as you would expect any president to do.
Hey Vic,
Since when has it been wrong to love God and be a conservative? What is wrong with letting a man have to suffer the punishment for his own deeds? What is wrong for telling a man that if he does nothng to earn his keep then I will not be providing food for his belly or clothes for his backside?
Last time I checked the history books it was only recently that presidents did not ascribe their very presence and the presence of their freedoms to God. I believe it is called “Freedom of Speech” according to the law of the land. And yes, I will agree that you too have that same freedom to open your mouth and make sounds and words that prove that you should have kept your mouth shut and let us wonder as to your lack of intellegence instead of erasing all of our doubts.
#59 - “…Just as you would expect any president to do.”
Hmmm, so Clinton went after Al Qaeda after the first WTC bombing? No. And Clinton went after Al Qaeda after Somalia? No. And Clinton went after Al Qaeda after the USS Cole? No. Had he acted decisively on any number of terror issues, as GWB has proven he is willing to do, there may not have been a 9/11.
Yes, Vic. I, too, am concerned about too much spending and the fact the Republicans don’t seem to have the backbone to do anything about it. I guess they are afraid they will be pilloried by the Dems and the media for “starving children” and “killing seniors” and “taking a few liberties with their female party guests.” Ok, the last one was made up.
I was simply pointing out the fact the tax cuts did not cause the deficit. The tax cuts, by stimulating the economy, have decreased the deficit.
Who said anything about it being wrong to love God and be conservative? I do and am.
Who said anything was wrong with letting a man have to suffer…? Not me.
Who said anything was wrong with you not helping someone that could use your help? Not me. Although in the church that I attend, that is not typically the topic of the sermon.
And, that’s a nice quote you have there. Who did you copy it from?
#62 - Wasting your breath Ripper. Despite mountains of evidence from both Republican and Democrat presidents that tax cuts stimulate the economy you’ll never get them past the “tax cuts for the rich” mantra. Class warfare is one of two remaining weapons in their arsenal. The other one is dividing us racially.
Had Bush Sr. acted decisively we may not have had 9/11. You can argue this crap all day.
The bottom line is no one knows. Do you really believe that these decisions are made by Democrats OR Republicans? They’re not. They’re not even made by just Americans.
Hammie, apparently you didn’t get my point. We could blame Bush, Clinton, Nixon, Reagan, George Washington, my grandmother, etc. etc. etc. and no one will be 100% right. It’s a combination of things over long periods of time, involving both Democrats and Republicans, and third-parties both within the United States and abroad.
If what Republicans supposedly stand for is to go and kick the crap out of anyone who opposes the US, why don’t we quit fooling around and Nuke them All and just take over? Why even lose one more boy if the Arabs are just crazies who want to annihilate us and are crazy enoug to try it?
If Republicans are so deep behind what Bush is doing, why not give up all the tax cuts and make sacrifices for the war effort.
The answer is that, up til now, it’s not worth it to the populace. If these terrorist are lucky enough or smart enough to actually get an A-Bomb off in this country, then I’m sure that the opinion would change, but, sorry, boys, as much tough talk that goes on here, I’m sorry to tell you that the populous, at this time, is just too full of Christian goooness to go slaughter all of these countries with fighter jets and nuclear bombs. No matter how tough the talk
Agreed, but direct evidence shows that Clinton did not act against Al Qaeda several times when he should have, which is why I’m singling him out. I also place blame for 20 years of war and terrorism in Lebanon on Reagan because of his lack of action after the Marine barracks bombing.
I disagree on your grandmother though. Although I’ve never met her I’d bet we can’t blame her.
LOL Vic, there you go again (thank you Pres. Reagan). During the first two years of Clinton, when the Dems controlled the WH, Senate, and House, the DOW went up 600 points - which gave us the largest tax increase in history (including the dead). When the GOP took over the House in 1995, the forced reductions in the RATE OF GROWTH in govt spending, and the DOW went up 3,000 points. In 1997, the GOP took control of both the House and Senate, forced further reductions in the RATE OF GROWTH in government spending, and the DOW went up another 3,000 points. The Dems took back the senate in 1999, took out GOP spending controls, and the DOW lost 1,000 points before Pres. Bush was elected, and lost HALF the value of the NASDAQ. At the same time, BOTH parties raped the military. Tactical ground and air forces were cut in half by both parties, but the non military part of the government grew. If you took Social Security money out of the budget (and it should be!), the government never got closer than $60 billion to being in balance. So don’t give me any crap about Clinton’s economy. All he did was sign off on GOP laws over the great squealing and hollering of the liberals.
As for the number of casualties since 9/11, at least our people get to shoot back. It was Bill Clinton’s policies that failed to get Bin Ladin when he could have SEVERAL times. Add to that is the turnover of intel to the Bush administration.
Consider that the Clinton administration never launched a military attack against the terrorist group after it bombed the U.S.S. Cole on Oct. 12, 2000, killing 17 U.S. sailors. CENTCOM commander Gen. Tommy Franks presented the administration with 14 military options, according to the commission staff report. But Clintons SecDef Cohen said that we did not have specific information that this was bin Laden (attacking the Cole) and that military retaliation against Al Qaeda targets in Afghanistan would not have been effective. The administration also resisted sending special forces to Afghanistan.
What did the Clinton administration do? In Clinton’s final intelligence report to congress, he mention’s al Queda four times, and does not even mention Bin Ladin in 40,000 words!
And speaking of Lebanon, read this woman’s essay on her life as a Christian in Lebanon. This ethnic cleansing seems to be ok for the rest of the world. Why? It’s just Christians.
With all of this Clinton bashing going on. Ask yourselves why he didn’t go after Bin Ladin?
The answer is clear. Because we as citizens didn’t care? Be honest, in 2000, how many were worried about Bin Ladin? How many of us even knew his name?
If it was such a strong republican issue, how come George Bush didn’t run on that platform? How come he didn’t go after Bin Ladin right at the start of his Presidency? If he would have suffered a small attack in timbuktu do you think his reaction would have been the same as what we have had? I say no.
You know what really ticks me off?! They have this
holiday called Presidents day and the only ones
not workin are the governmental agencies and the
banks. had this to say yesterday:
kidwittehtape Says:
February 19th, 2006 at 2:49 pm
stupid school does not give us monday off and then we have the biggest waste of time ever the TAKS test that you take all morning and when super cool kids like me finish in 1 hour and the stupid crack heads take 5 hours you can’t do anything(listen to music READ AN F-ING BOOK, Do HOMEWORK, or anything exept put your head down) so i finish and put my head down and try to sleep but then get yelled at for sticking it to the man and bringing a pillow to sleep on and then have to put my head down on the cold hard desk for 4 FRIKEN HOURS. we should be able to leave school when we are done IMHO they take standardized testing way to seriosly and it is stupid questons that show that you are literate, and when a student is making good grades in advanced: Math, Chemistry, Computer science, and in COLLEGE History, along with a 95 in ENGLISH. why should i take a test to show that i can READ? I ABSOLUTELY HATE STANDARDIZED TESTS
I agree with him. Why punish kids for being smart?
Doesn’t make sense to me. If they did that to my
kid I would have somebody head!
I agree. If I were Kid’s parents, I would certainly look into this. I remember taking tests, you turn them in and you leave. Of course, back in those days, all the kids were pretty equal in the brains department. We never had a need for these tutoring programs. We learned in school, we had good teachers who could teach. Not today! I imagine the Kid probably knows as much as his teachers do. So sad really that the liberal colleges keep turning out these so-called “education degrees.”
#76
Hey Vic,
Clinton did shoot his wad when he sent all those cruise missles to blow up those mud huts in Afghanistan and bomb a fifth world country further into the stone age.
And……the repulicans are too far left for me.
#78 Hey Smacktle
We are working. Right now we are teaching a B-2 how to drop the bunkerbusters on Iran. We are also teaching a 747 how to shoot a raygun out of its nose to shoot down the nuke missles when they are launched against us. http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/
#78 & #80 - At the risk of arousing sleeping liberals, a large part of the problem with public education are union agreements that allow bad teachers to get paid the same or more than good teachers. Many should have been fired long ago but because of tenure they can’t be touched. There should be no more tenure. If you’re a bad teacher you should be fired. Period. If you’re a good teacher you should be making at least twice what you are now.
I never made it through HS, was to eager to get out there and work. Got my GED and tried college, but I was too impatient. The funny thing is, I make
more money than a lot of college graduates I know.
The only way I could see to really make any real money was to go into business for myself. Sales is
where all the money is. Or I could have gotten my
degree and gone to work for the Mayors pro tem office. Get me one of them bonuses.
pmartin your right about the kids parents, but did the kid say anything to them? I should have asked more questions when I saw that post.
But that’s life sometimes. It doesn’t always go our way.
Yeah but we need to support our kids, teach them how to respond and bounce back. Things like this (what happened to kid)can really effect them, have them become resigned about life turn to drugs etc… We need parents involved with their kids.
I went through some really tough times when I was a kid and if my dad had been paying attention, then he could have made a difference for me. I’m not blaming him for anything he was an excellent father. Parents just need to pay attention. It makes a huge difference for the kid(s).
May all children and young people be held as sacred and recognized as the future.
Absolutely. I have 4 daughters (20,18,11 and 9), and the things I reinforce are that life is always going to have challenges and that things are not always going to be fair.
You hit the nail on the head - many parents are not involved with their kids, and some of the ones that are have their heads so far up their arses they don’t see (or don’t want to see) the real issues/problems their children are struggling with.
My kids can come to me for anything, and they do, even though they’re girls. Sure, they’ve made mistakes and will make many more, and usually within 24 hours they’ve “fessed up” and we dealt with it, because it was weighing so heavily on their conscience.
What I stress to them daily is that everyone makes mistakes, but they have to resist the temptation to do something that could be a life-altering mistake. Believe me, as good as they are, this scares me constantly, because I hear about the things their friends are doing, and it’s beyond belief.
Hmm, I leave the comfort of my office to risk a trip to the hotel while there are maniacs on the prowl looking to kidnap me. Plug back in and the subject’s changed?
I’m just always plugging away to get the crowd back to traditional republican values you know. I don’t come often, but, when I come ready. So far the it’s all Clinton’s fault reasoning hasn’t swayed me from my, “it’s all Bush’s fault”. I still agree with someone above. These are trying times, but, I sure hope we can do better in the next elections. I don’t think history will be as kind to GWB as it will to Reagan or even Nixon for that matter.
Hamous,
Afghanistan is a hell hole that will eventually fall back into the 17th century.99% of that country doesnt have a plumbed toilet.
Iraq will be a hell hole for the next 150 years too. As soon as we leave it will go back to the typical muzlum,sunni,shiite rat trap.Bunch of tribes fighting over a camel trail. We blew over a trillion dollars and 3K plus American lives. As far as Saddam. I bet he would have left for a few hundred million and safe passage to Syria.Sound like the better deal now.
Democracy in the Arab world? C’mon man. You have a better chance of seeing Cindy Sheehan in Penthouse mag spread eagle holding a American flag.Ewwwww.I know. Not a pretty picture.
Lybia? Well,they want to play ball to get some of our money.No big surprise there.
Tax cuts? Whatever you saved was gone the first month in higher energy prices because ol Georgy sat on his hands and let oil prices go to $70 a barrel. Now he is touting Hybrids. Day late and a dollar short IMHO.
France? They will fold as soon as Iran offers them cheap oil.
I know T-Bone, I’m the eternal optimist. I’m hoping for something along the lines of Turkey. Its possible in Iraq, probably less likely in Afghanistan, but whaddya do? I’m not down with the “turn ‘em into glass” crowd without at least trying to help ‘em out first. Here’s what I don’t want to do: Do nothing, let the Euorpeans appease themselves into another jam, and us have to go over there for the third time and fight another real war, you know the kind where 400,000+ American lives are lost.
I was watching Ollie North interviewing the old B24 crews from WW2. I was amazed to find that three years into the war, FDR was still sending them out on missions with unarmored planes.
#91
“ol Georgy sat on his hands and let oil prices go to $70 a barrel”
Huh? Carter tried price controls - remember the gas lines? GW did just the right thing: let the market respond. Prices rose, drilling activity is increasing, and prices have stabilized and are falling. Now if the libs will just allow drilling off the east coast and in ANWR, things can continue improving.
You can return to Carter’s gas lines if you want, but please leave me out of it!!!
Once again, that’s why I think we are not particularly winning over there and I think the American people don’t understand it and are not being told the truth, which is certainly one of the things that bothers me.
If anyone here has travelled to these places (I’ve never been to Iraq, but, known many Iraqis) it would be painfully obvious that the kind of Democracy that we have isn’t going to flourish there.
You say, “whaddya do?” and that you want to “try(ing) to help ‘em out first”, but, what has that got us? Nothing in my opinion. And more of the same is going to get us more of the same.
Now, I know that it’s popular here at this point to call me a leftist, liberal, wackjob, nutcase, hater of the troops, apologist, etc. But, that’s just not the case.
But, you say that you don’t want us to get into a “real war” where 400K Americans are killed.
But, it seems to me, you can’t have it both ways. You want to have a “small” war now to avoid a large one later. Well, do you really blame people that are just slightly on the other side of the fence from you and don’t want that. Does it do you, you’re side, or the country any good for either side to villify the other just because they currently feel different about this war?
I am working for an Englishman right now and when we started working together, one night after a few cold ones we started down this track and this guy told me, “I can’t f’ing beleive that on September 12th you guys didn’t send in a wave of nukes into Afganistan!”
I thought he was joking, but, he wasn’t.
Maybe that would have been the better course at the time. Maybe not only Libya would have come around then. Who knows.
But, what we have now is alot of tough talk, I support the troops but don’t want to give up my tax cuts, I’m for the war, but, don’t want to get off my keister and fight rhetoric and a bunch of fear mongering.
Some here like to think that makes us safer. I’ve been all around this world and I am a bit more of a sceptic.
Vic, I don’t understand your “can’t have it both ways” comment. I’m not trying to. It seems to me we only had three choices:
1. Go in and take as many of the bad guys out as we can and kill as few civilians as possible. While every American soldier’s life is tragic, its a sacrifice most Americans were willing to make at the time.
2. Bomb them further back into the stone age with no regard to who would be killed. I’m certain most Americans weren’t in favor of this option.
3. Do nothing. This seems to be what a lot of people now think, although I still don’t think its a majority. This option, in my opinion, would have been the worst for Americans. It would have allowed the Russians and Chinese to continue arming the despotic regimes to the point where they would have been much stronger. The Euorpeans would have stayed on their appeasement course. And in the end we would have had to fight a much bigger war.
Once again, I don’t see how I’m trying to have it both ways.
mrygill2,
who said anything about price controls? GWB could have turned the screws on the OPEC’ers by saying in effect you step up production and keep the cheap oil flowing or I’ll stop protecting your little golden ass kingdoms. Then he could have turned to Big Oil and told them the same thing.No offense to golden ass kingdoms.
Its like going into a restaurant and letting them bring you out the food they want you to eat at the price they want you to pay and accepting it dry.
Its time to stop taking this crap.What is so hard to understand about that!
#102
Vic,
A good Christian would have already grabbed you by the collar and slapped your waffling face. Jesus said to render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser’s, that means war belongs to the kind and it sould be fought so that the least amount of property and people damage happen to you. That means nucular weapons. The Bible is very clear about waging war. If you would like then you can go and hold the homing device so the MIRVs fall upon the correct coordinates.
I think that your three options aren’t the only three. You’re third is do nothing. Thats what most people here seem to think anything but War in Iraq was, was to do nothing.
Did Reagan win the cold war by doing nothing? He didn’t fire a shot at the Russians. Was that doing nothing?
Putting diplomatic pressure on other countries to rat out the finks could have helped. Setting up more commando teams to go in covertly and get the rascals could have worked? Did we try these things? Not really. Could we have bribed other governments with sucker military equipment deals?
Hell, there’s a host of options open to us. We are the most powerful nation on the face of the earth.
But, most of us liked it when it looked like a cakewalk and now we are having second thoughts. That’s life. Could we not have protected ourselves (as so many point our here that WE haven’t been attached since 9/11, although I don’t know what they think IED’s are) without going into Iraq?
In hindsight I say yes. Does that mean that we would be “doing nothing”? Absolutely not. Does that mean your a “wimp” or a “liberal” or “don’t support the troops” if you don’t support our previous or present course of action? No, but, you would think that listening here.
Hamous, there were more than three courses of action, you were just led to believe differently.
#108 - Comparing the cold war to the current war against Islamofascism makes no sense except in one very real way: the same people against this war were against Reagan in the cold war. Had Reagan listened to the Kennedys and Kerrys in the ’80s we’d still be fighting that war too.
Ha HO!
shoot……i been monitoring this for the last half hour…:(
first looser again
how was your bday sarge?
beach_bum
This is not a good sign when we are already threatening to cut-off aid to this new “democracy”:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4731670.stm
And has OBL ever said anything good about Saddam? Have any of those involved in the theological jihad against the west ever called for his release?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11452123/
“The jihad is continuing with strength, for Allah be all the credit, despite all the barbarity, the repressive steps taken by the American Army and its agents, to the extent that there is no longer any mentionable difference between this criminality and the criminality of Saddam.”
OK guys;
Research this:
Border Integrity Act of 1995, H.R. 1224, 104th Cong., 1st Sess.
It was a Bill proposed in Congress in 1995 to amend Posse Comitatus to allow the use of troops on the Border. It did not pass……
Find out who, how, and why it did not.
BTW…failure of it;s passge indicates that Congress recognizes that the Military cannot be used on the border without it’s passage of a Law…..
I’m not discussing the border today.
Today is President’s Day. If someone can find mention of it on any major media homepage, I’d be shocked.
You wonder why I shake my head.
We live in a bizzarro country. Mexico is on the verge of reclaiming the US without firing a shot. Iran is on the verge of having Nukes and threatening to wipe out Israel and the USA. China is building a massive army and nukes to match the USA. Venezuela is posturing for a fight and hooking up with Iran and Cuber. While this happends we:
Ass kiss Mexico and welcome the invasioners with free stuff.
Buy oil and support Irans economy and military build up.
Buy everything from China,help them build their military by our presidents selling them technology and reduce our manufacturing capacity at the same time.
Buy oil from Venezuela supplying them with the funds they need to help Iran and Cuber wipe the US out.
And last but not least. We are at war with the Arabs and Islam and we pay them to run the security for our largest ports.
Somebody wake me an tell me its not true.
#6 gregg - it certainly is Bizarro World. But it’s not the President’s fault. His hands are being tied by Congress (the Republican Congress).
Gentlemen, gentlemen,
Please remember that no matter what the world may threaten us with this president will find the testicular assets to wreak havoc upon the country that actually attacks the US. Why don’t they, they still look around and see Afghanastan and Iraq. Idiots and bums will always want to rule contries and the world, but they don’t usually jeapordize their position by kicking the biggest and baddest kid in the shin.
Here ya go headshaker:
http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/news/story/0,6260,99771,00.html
#7
Hey headshaker, it is a RHINO congress. Thank you very much.
I just saw Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) on Fox. Exact quote:
Now that’s reassuring.
Happy belated B-Day Sarge! On top of all that bizzarro stuff Gregg listed, my kid isn’t off school for President’s Day. Since when did that become the deal? Even my job called today a holiday.
#11 “Zilla”
I wonder if Sen. Bayh would kindly provide Fox with a list of the ones that are NOT in favor of protecting this country?
Shaker- I’m starting to get a twitch in my neck. Is what you have catching?
Matt,
I saw him on FNS and he basically said the Dems need to convince the american people they are tough on defense. To them its all about the sales pitch and not the actual product. Thats like Cindy Sheehan trying to sell a line of bath soap and shampoo.
Heh heh. Reminds me of this.
Cindy Sh*%head bath beads…. Are they yellow??
Do they smell like the head on a shrimpboat??
#15
Dude I did not need to see that this morning. I am still shaking from that sight….
‘Shaker, congress is not the one pushing the turning over 6 of our ports to the (G-d-less) UAE. AND Michael Chertoff tell us that this has been ‘vetted’ and there is nothing to worry about. . . . RIGHT! Write your congressmen(women) and let them know how assinine this is. . . . mention treason possibly. . . .
What are the Democrats doing here trying to show the nation they are not weak on defense or is this their “idol”–the ice queen, Mrs. Bill Clinton.
#19 Mountainman
I was being sarcastic. If you read the Weekend Comments you’d understand why.
#21;
Yes, but if you read #4 above, you’ll know why the President doesn’t have the authority to send troops to the border to enforce immigration laws………
I’ll bet in an election year, this port deal will be stopped most pronto.
Dems are funny though if they think the American people will view them as pro defense. It’s like liberals saying they support the troops, but are against the war. Then you look at the student senate at Univ. of Washington who refuse to let the memorial to Pappy Boyington be built on their campus, and where are the “pro defense, pro military” democrats that will stand up and say that it should be built?
Reading on http://www.michellemalkin.com/
The UAE has banned her website. Just the kind of
people we want running our ports… grrrrrrr
What should we do with all these crazy people in the Arab world protesting cartoons? Are they crazy or what?
Sarge,
what you say is legally true. However,I dont see GWB shouting from the rooftops any interest in the problem. GWB will go down as a weak and ineffective president. You see the Republicans in Congress and Senate running from him now for a reason. Wasted a great opportunity.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/393077p-333284c.html
Has there ever been a President more out of touch with the people and more inattentive to the will of the people? Scary.
Drudgereport this morning:
HOUSTON — Houston’s police chief on Wednesday proposed placing surveillance cameras in apartment complexes, downtown streets, shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage of police officers.
Problem here is that the apartment complex that will afford the cameras is NOT where the problems are. Problems are where the rent is affordable by the people that commit the crimes, apartments that are on the level of low-high end. Did that I say that right?
#28
Huh?
Gregg
I agree, our President has wasted a lot of good opportunities on everything from Social Security reform to shutting down the border. On the first one, he lost the will to fight, on the second he likes the open borders and doesn’t care how destructive this is to our nation. He was equally ineffective with becoming oil independent.
I fault our President mainly on not using the bully pulpit to get his message out. He relies on individual campaign style speeches in various small localities to get out the message, but very few people go through the trouble of finding those speeches. He steadfastly runs from the MSM, and lets face it, the masses still get their news from the MSM. Most of the voters are too lazy to find the truth, wether it is in the MSM or in the alternative media.
But, some of our Senators are equally weak and Sen. Frist has not done a good job at all as leader.
The republican party has drifted away from their strong points and forgotten the Issues which got them elected. Once those people are elected they seem to be concerned only with getting re elected.
Dont worry about the cameras. The pictures are so crappy you cant tell who the people are unless they get right up close.
GWB has made such lousy judgements it makes me shake my head.Now I know why the Dems are always so mad. This guy had no business becoming President. It just shows how weak the Dem candidates were.I admit,I was fooled too. I thought the Republicans would come in,kick ass and take names. All they did was lick ass and play games.
#30 KRAUT. The GOP done forgot who it was that brung them to the dance. Libnuts are dumb enough to think that translates into votes for them, or that conservatives will stay home and not vote. Not likely. While conservatives might be highly irate at Pres. Bush, they aren’t going to forget what will happen if they stay at home and don’t vote. Unfortunately, the GOP knows this.
#30
I agree.. As a lifelong Republican, I see them as scared now they are in the driver’s seat. Many opportunities have been wasted (make your own list of these……) They are scared of a press that never gave them a chance, always criicizing. But, doing the right thing regardless of what people say will always win out in the end. They are too concerned about getting elected and re-elected to do anything REALLY substantive (like a fair tax system, border control….). I like term limits more and more… Getting someone out of office voluntarily is as hard as getting someone to stop buying crack with their welfare check, regardless of party. How long have some of them been in office? They are there to serve the nation, not themselves…. BOTH PARTIES
POLITICS BREAK!
Blondes are sooooo much fun!! I urgently needed a few days off work,
but I knew the Boss would not allow me to take a leave. I thought that
maybe if I acted “CRAZY” then he would tell me to take a few days off.
So I hung upside down on the ceiling and made funny noises. My co-worker
(who’s blonde) asked me what I was doing? I told her that I was
pretending to be a light bulb so that the Boss would think I was “CRAZY”
and give me a few days off.
A few minutes later the Boss came into the office and asked “What are
you doing ?”
I told him I was a light bulb.
He said “You are clearly stressed out. Go home and recuperate for a
couple of days”.
I jumped down and walked out of the office.
When my co-worker (the blonde) followed me, the Boss asked her.” And
where do you think you’re going?”
(You’re going to love this!)
She said, “I’m going home too, I can’t work in the dark!”
BREAK OVER! CONTINUE POLY-TICKS COMMENTS.
33 “Scared of a press that never gave them a chance…”? What are you talking about. On Sept 12th, 99.9 percent of the world was behind the U.S. Everyone, except a few nutcases here and there, felt horrified and sorry for us and wouldn’t have blamed us for anything we did. The press didn’t question at that time, it was as somber and patriotic as any of us.
The biggest “opportunity” that Bush squandered and “right minded” zealots were fooled into dropping into lockstep was the opportunity to unite the world against the menace of terrorism. He lost that opportunity with his cowboy, dead or alive idiocy and we’ve paid for it (literally and figuratively) ever since.
What a shame and what a sham. Bush and this admin somehow got people to re-elect them by “talking tough” and “acting” conservative, when they have actually been nothing of the sort.
They’ve run up huge deficits, they’ve grown government and gotten government more into our personal lives. Their foreign policy, instead of using diplomacy to make us safer has actually just angered most of the rest of the world. All while more or less cheering on the American people to say, “Screw the rest of the world”.
While conducting a war to “liberate” people and spread democracy, many countries that have a vote are voting in governments who are opposed to us (Venezuela, Hamas, etc.)? How is that making the world safer for us?
If this country thinks that Arabs are all just crazy, jihadists, America-haters, why did we want to liberate them at all? And why do we still blindly follow the admin’s mantra of “stay the course”. What course?
“GWB will go down as a weak and ineffective president”
2001 - Eliminated a despotic regime in Afghanistan which now has a democratically elected government for the first time in its history.
2001 - Real tax cuts
2003 - Eliminated a despotic regime in Iraq. Has a chance at real democracy for the first time in many decades.
2004 - As a result of the above, Libya, one of the worst terrorist-supporting governments voluntarily agreed to halt its nuclear ambitions and let the U.S. verify.
2005 - Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, all flirting with democratic reforms.
2006 - even freakin’ France is talking tough with Iran now. FRANCE!
Weak and ineffective??? Every conservative here with any common sense has strongly criticized Bush when deserved (entitlements, border security, ports come to mind) but a blanket statement saying he’s “weak and ineffective” is not deserved.
There seems to be a pervasive feeling that its all Bush’s fault here. Some of it is absolutely. He needs to lead on many issues. But congress and more importantly, us as voters, bear responsibility.
#35
I believe that we all assume from your comments that you don’t like Bush and his policies? There’s many out there that agree with many of your criticisms.
And your solution is……
(There is no tongue in cheek here)
Vic lol, it was your left wing press that didn’t wait 10 days before they were asking “What did America do to bring this on itself?”. Get a life. The only reason the press shut up for 10 days is that they were afraid of the backlash of Americans. That didn’t last long. You continue to bury your head in the sand. The DLWM couldn’t wait to start tearing this country down. What have democrats ever done to fight terrorism? Answer? NADA.
DYK(did you know):
Blacks founded the Texas Republican Party? On July 4, 1867, in Houston, Texas, 150 blacks and 20 whites formed the party. No, not the Black Texas Republican Party, they founded the Texas Republican Party. Blacks across Southern states also founded the Republican parties in their states.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/larryelder/2005/11/17/175888.html
My solution? Elect someone with a drastically different agenda and policy in the next election. Tried it last time, but, being in Texas, it was kind of a sacrificial vote. But, that’s ok, it being only the second time in my life that I hadn’t voted a straight repub ticket. I wasn’t expecting my vote to make much of a difference. But, did vote my concious and will again next time. Heres to Independents
#35 Vic
LOL, I guess you would’ve tried diplomacy with Adolf. And in case you didn’t notice, some of our former allies are starting to rethink their “appeasing at all cost” stance.
#39 Well you wouldn’t know it today by the way they block vote for Demoncrats who have scammed em for years.
#40 Vic
You keep me in stitches, you are telling us that you voted REPUB?, AHA! the old worn out independent monicker, when one is ashamed of being called a liberal.
Big, Don’t forget that 9/11 happened during the Bush administration. They had been warned. You can try to blame the previous admin all you want, but, since November (and previously really) of 2000, when the election was in the balance, Bush and his team had to assume they would be taking office. When they finally did take office, they wouldn’t listen when told that terrorism would be their biggest problem.
As far as I am concerned that is just another part of the “Big Lie” that is this administration. To somehow put the blame for 9/11 on other people (I won’t mention names here), when in fact, they had to have been preparing to be in office for at least a year and WERE in office for 7 months and this happened ON THEIR WATCH.
And now our country and world are in the sorry shape that they are. 60 dollar oil, deficits as far as the eye can see. Democracies voting in America haters. I think that you all here will find a “tough slough” come November as much as bravado would have you think differently.
Vic, see my #23 above too.
It seems as if some here are falling into the Dem and media trap of “Blame Bush for Everything.” Need I remind you good conservatives, that’s what gave us 8 long years of Wee Willy Clinton. Now, I’m not saying everything is rosy. I have suspended all Rep. contributions until something is done about the border issue. But, given the current usual suspects, this country cannot afford even 4 more years of a Demwit in the White House.
KRAUT,
I think that is what actually kills you more. That people who were on “your” side are moving away. But, my voting record is very clear. All republican all the time until GWB. Reagan, all the way. What did Reagan do when the Marine Barracks were bombed in Beirut? He quietly took his battle elsewhere where it was necessary and let surrogates handle that part of the world for him. He had bigger wars to win. The cold war. What does baby bush do? He’s got the biggest threat since the cold war, terrorism, in his sights. He’s got the whole world on his side, and he goes and wastes an enormous amount of money and lives to get revenge for Daddy. What a shame that Boy George has done such a disservice to the good Bush name.
Dang. Too serious around here for a bank holiday. I’m taking the day off. I’ll be leaving soon to go 4-wheelin in the cold. Too bad tomorrow ain’t President’s day - it would be a lot warmer. I’ll have a good time anyway.
See y’all tomorrow…
#44 Vic
HMMMM!
Germany and Canada have turned the corner towards
conservatism, did you notice? It’s a slow turn, it takes time, but it is turning!
It’ll be interesting to see how the media will report it if Vic’s wish comes to pass. Will it be
a) A “Throw the bums out” response; or b) “The voters threw a temper tantrum”; or c) “Voters reject Bush (again)”?
My bet’s on c.
Kraut,
Yeah, I’ve been noticing all of those Pro war rallies going on in both countries. Exactly how many German’s have died in Iraq?
Is Germany anti-terror? Well, of course they are. There government and people were just smart enough not to be convinced to go to war so that you could exchange a dictator who was fully under the worlds control (ie no WMD) and exchange it for some Mullah’s who will most certainly use all of their oil wealth to help their brethren in Iran to keep pursueing the bomb.
And, by the way, explain to me how tax cuts at the same time as record deficits falls under the perview of solid conservative fiscal discipline. Especially when your party is in complete control of two branches of the Government.
I’m sorry, I just don’t see this bunch of religious freak, warmongering republicans in the same light as I did the glorious Reagan/Bush 12 years. I sure hope they put someone up that can bring some old school republican values back to the country. Fiscal Discipline. Foreign policy that works, an America respected around the world for it’s honor, courage, and greatness, not for torture, secrecy, and ineptness both at home (Katrina) and abroad (Iraq)
#36 - “Weak and indecisive” may not be applicable terms. But I do think GW’s decision to invade Iraq will be viewed in the long term as a very very poor one, and one the consequences of which will take quite awhile to overcome. Hopefully for GW it will not turn out later that it was a decision that was in anyway “engineered” as well.
#22 - Kind of ironic that GW feels he has the power to wiretap on US citizens without the warrants normally required, but he feels he cannot use troops to secure our wide open to bin Laden followers border with Mexico. Maybe ironic is not the right term either.
#51 Vic
You are getting funnier.
Now you’re calling us a “bunch of religious freak,
war mongering republicans”, funny, those words sound very Liberal to me, not at all like words from a self proclaimed Reaganite.
#51 - Boy, for someone who was once a loyal Republican, you sure can spout the DNC talking points like a true-blue leftist.
To refute one of your DNC points: Here’s how tax cuts fall under conservative fiscal discipline — they prevent (or minimize) a recession, and they increase revenues to the Federal Treasury. If you don’t understand that, then I guess the Dem party is the one for you. You know, the party that likes to stick it to the so-called “rich.”
Kraut,
I’m not calling “you” or “us” religious freaks, war mongering republicans, I’m calling the current crop of Republican politicians that. Remember Terry Shiavo?
20 Years ago, 30 years ago, religion wasn’t such a big part of the political show. Once again, I’m for old school republicanism. I want to be able to worship any religion that I want to, but, I don’t want the Government to shove it down my throat. This country was based on those ideas.
Why todays republicans get so worked up about having religion expressed within government just baffles me. We certainly don’t like any other country that put’s it’s (non-christian) religion in the fore front of it’s politics. So, why would we want our government to do so with “our” religion?
Ripper, if you take in less than you spend, you have to borrow. When you borrow, you pay interest, which, doesn’t cost you today, but, it does tomorrow. If you think that Deficit spending is for me, I would think you are not a republican, but, rather a credit card company.
#55 Vic
You brought up the “religious freak” thing.
No one else has talked religion all morning long,
only you!
I gotta go, Vic. nice chatting with you,
read you again tomorrow!
#55 - “Why todays republicans get so worked up about having religion expressed within government just baffles me.”
Show me a case where republicans want to force you or anyone else to accept their religion. What I want is for lefties to stop forcing their religion (secularism, unscientific environmentalism, multiculturalism, cultural marxism) down our throats.
Vic, I agree deficits are too high! Where would you propose we start cutting to balance the budget? I know you don’t want to raise taxes, do you?
We had 9/11 because no president from Nixon thru Clinton did a darned thing about terrorism. Reagan made one bombing of Libya, that was about it.
You just don’t learn.
1993bombing at New York City’s World Trade Center. The terrorists succeed in killing six and wounding over 100 New Yorkers. But at least Clintone visited the site of that horrible terrorist attack didn’t he? No, he never went there.
Okay, Clinton was new in the job. He later distinguished himself as a stong commander-in-chief. Afterall, he did fiercely battle a faction of Al-Qaeda in Somalia right after the so-called Black Hawk Down incident. Well actually Clinton pulled out our troops. Well, we didn’t want to lose more soldiers and high-tech weaponry so Clinton did the right thing. But didn’t Clinton send troops in with tanks, Bradley armored vehicles and high-tech weapons? Uh, no, he didn’t. He sent them in with unarmored Hummers, rifles, grenades and launchers, and other conventional weapons? Well, at least he sent them in armed so they could defend themselves.
Bill Clinton then thwarted an attack on Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia in 1996, right? Oops, nope. The terrorists succeeded and killed 19 military personal, and wounded 30 more. My mistake.
But he did thwart the simultaneous attacks on our embassies in 1998…. Shucks, nope, he didn’t. 79 dead including 8 Americans, and 1,672 wounded.
Well, he had better luck in Yemen. Oops, not there either. 17 dead, 39 wounded on the US Navy’s USS Cole in 1999.
Well, you can’t argue with the fact that Clinton mobilized law enforcement and the intelligence community to work together to identify and takeout terrorists before they struck. His Administration prohibited intelligence agents from providing information to law enforcement agencies. His Justice Department increased the height of the “wall” prohibiting the FBI and the CIA from sharing information?
So when did Clinton succeed in thwarting a terrorist attack? The Millennium attack? No way. That one I know isn’t true. Clinton didn’t apprehend a Islamofascist on his way to bomb Los Angeles International Airport. It was achieved by an alert female US Customs agent. Clinton did take credit for it, but the DLWM knew that the hardworking Customs agent never received any terrorism alert and took it upon herself to investigate a suspicious looking character coming across the US-Canadian border. Yet, our unbiased MSM decided to allow Clinton and his flunkies to take credit and the Customs agent has been delegated to anonymity. The Customs agent who saved countless lives and property remains unknown in history, but William Jefferson Clinton is being allowed to rewrite history. Terrorism warrior, my foot. The only positive thing is that the brave Customs agent wasn’t disciplined for her use of racial profiling. A presidential commission led by Vice President Al Gore backpedaled on a tough baggage-screening proposal, after a flood of airline contributions to the Democratic Party in the closing weeks of the 1996 presidential election.
Now, Vic, since 9/11, how many terrorist attacks and deaths have we have outside of Iraq and Afghanistan?
Big, how many Americans were killed in Terrorist attacks during the Clinton Administration?
Now, how many Americans have been killed during the Bush administration?
I’ve never been a big fan of Clintons (except for his fiscal policy which provided us with Budget Surpluses for the first time in, …, forever), but, you can’t argue the fact that 9/11 HAPPENED DURING GEORGE BUSH’S PRESIDENCY.
If you are going to try to blame Clinton for all of those other attacks that happened during his time, then you have to do the same for Bush. Was Bush busy warmongering and getting Bin Ladin BEFORE 9/11? No, only after. Just as you would expect any president to do.
Hey Vic,
Since when has it been wrong to love God and be a conservative? What is wrong with letting a man have to suffer the punishment for his own deeds? What is wrong for telling a man that if he does nothng to earn his keep then I will not be providing food for his belly or clothes for his backside?
Last time I checked the history books it was only recently that presidents did not ascribe their very presence and the presence of their freedoms to God. I believe it is called “Freedom of Speech” according to the law of the land. And yes, I will agree that you too have that same freedom to open your mouth and make sounds and words that prove that you should have kept your mouth shut and let us wonder as to your lack of intellegence instead of erasing all of our doubts.
#59 - “…Just as you would expect any president to do.”
Hmmm, so Clinton went after Al Qaeda after the first WTC bombing? No. And Clinton went after Al Qaeda after Somalia? No. And Clinton went after Al Qaeda after the USS Cole? No. Had he acted decisively on any number of terror issues, as GWB has proven he is willing to do, there may not have been a 9/11.
Yes, Vic. I, too, am concerned about too much spending and the fact the Republicans don’t seem to have the backbone to do anything about it. I guess they are afraid they will be pilloried by the Dems and the media for “starving children” and “killing seniors” and “taking a few liberties with their female party guests.” Ok, the last one was made up.
I was simply pointing out the fact the tax cuts did not cause the deficit. The tax cuts, by stimulating the economy, have decreased the deficit.
Vik,
Who said anything about it being wrong to love God and be conservative? I do and am.
Who said anything was wrong with letting a man have to suffer…? Not me.
Who said anything was wrong with you not helping someone that could use your help? Not me. Although in the church that I attend, that is not typically the topic of the sermon.
And, that’s a nice quote you have there. Who did you copy it from?
#62 - Wasting your breath Ripper. Despite mountains of evidence from both Republican and Democrat presidents that tax cuts stimulate the economy you’ll never get them past the “tax cuts for the rich” mantra. Class warfare is one of two remaining weapons in their arsenal. The other one is dividing us racially.
I’m beginning to think that some people use a keyboard to post on blogs because they aren’t allowed near sharp objects.
Had Bush Sr. acted decisively we may not have had 9/11. You can argue this crap all day.
The bottom line is no one knows. Do you really believe that these decisions are made by Democrats OR Republicans? They’re not. They’re not even made by just Americans.
You wonder why I shake my head.
So much for freedom of speech in Europe:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060220/ap_on_re_eu/austria_holocaust_denial
Ok shakey, how many terrorist attacks on US interests were there during 41’s term? How many times was 41 handed Bin Laden on a silver platter?
#69
Hammie, apparently you didn’t get my point. We could blame Bush, Clinton, Nixon, Reagan, George Washington, my grandmother, etc. etc. etc. and no one will be 100% right. It’s a combination of things over long periods of time, involving both Democrats and Republicans, and third-parties both within the United States and abroad.
If what Republicans supposedly stand for is to go and kick the crap out of anyone who opposes the US, why don’t we quit fooling around and Nuke them All and just take over? Why even lose one more boy if the Arabs are just crazies who want to annihilate us and are crazy enoug to try it?
If Republicans are so deep behind what Bush is doing, why not give up all the tax cuts and make sacrifices for the war effort.
The answer is that, up til now, it’s not worth it to the populace. If these terrorist are lucky enough or smart enough to actually get an A-Bomb off in this country, then I’m sure that the opinion would change, but, sorry, boys, as much tough talk that goes on here, I’m sorry to tell you that the populous, at this time, is just too full of Christian goooness to go slaughter all of these countries with fighter jets and nuclear bombs. No matter how tough the talk
Agreed, but direct evidence shows that Clinton did not act against Al Qaeda several times when he should have, which is why I’m singling him out. I also place blame for 20 years of war and terrorism in Lebanon on Reagan because of his lack of action after the Marine barracks bombing.
I disagree on your grandmother though. Although I’ve never met her I’d bet we can’t blame her.
LOL Vic, there you go again (thank you Pres. Reagan). During the first two years of Clinton, when the Dems controlled the WH, Senate, and House, the DOW went up 600 points - which gave us the largest tax increase in history (including the dead). When the GOP took over the House in 1995, the forced reductions in the RATE OF GROWTH in govt spending, and the DOW went up 3,000 points. In 1997, the GOP took control of both the House and Senate, forced further reductions in the RATE OF GROWTH in government spending, and the DOW went up another 3,000 points. The Dems took back the senate in 1999, took out GOP spending controls, and the DOW lost 1,000 points before Pres. Bush was elected, and lost HALF the value of the NASDAQ. At the same time, BOTH parties raped the military. Tactical ground and air forces were cut in half by both parties, but the non military part of the government grew. If you took Social Security money out of the budget (and it should be!), the government never got closer than $60 billion to being in balance. So don’t give me any crap about Clinton’s economy. All he did was sign off on GOP laws over the great squealing and hollering of the liberals.
As for the number of casualties since 9/11, at least our people get to shoot back. It was Bill Clinton’s policies that failed to get Bin Ladin when he could have SEVERAL times. Add to that is the turnover of intel to the Bush administration.
Consider that the Clinton administration never launched a military attack against the terrorist group after it bombed the U.S.S. Cole on Oct. 12, 2000, killing 17 U.S. sailors. CENTCOM commander Gen. Tommy Franks presented the administration with 14 military options, according to the commission staff report. But Clintons SecDef Cohen said that we did not have specific information that this was bin Laden (attacking the Cole) and that military retaliation against Al Qaeda targets in Afghanistan would not have been effective. The administration also resisted sending special forces to Afghanistan.
The CIA warned of an attack in 1995.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/21/terror/main607659.shtml
What did the Clinton administration do? In Clinton’s final intelligence report to congress, he mention’s al Queda four times, and does not even mention Bin Ladin in 40,000 words!
Vic, your position is without merit.
And speaking of Lebanon, read this woman’s essay on her life as a Christian in Lebanon. This ethnic cleansing seems to be ok for the rest of the world. Why? It’s just Christians.
Hamous
#74
The link won’t work.
With all of this Clinton bashing going on. Ask yourselves why he didn’t go after Bin Ladin?
The answer is clear. Because we as citizens didn’t care? Be honest, in 2000, how many were worried about Bin Ladin? How many of us even knew his name?
If it was such a strong republican issue, how come George Bush didn’t run on that platform? How come he didn’t go after Bin Ladin right at the start of his Presidency? If he would have suffered a small attack in timbuktu do you think his reaction would have been the same as what we have had? I say no.
#75 - you’re right! Lets try it again
You know what really ticks me off?! They have this
holiday called Presidents day and the only ones
not workin are the governmental agencies and the
banks. had this to say yesterday:
kidwittehtape Says:
February 19th, 2006 at 2:49 pm
stupid school does not give us monday off and then we have the biggest waste of time ever the TAKS test that you take all morning and when super cool kids like me finish in 1 hour and the stupid crack heads take 5 hours you can’t do anything(listen to music READ AN F-ING BOOK, Do HOMEWORK, or anything exept put your head down) so i finish and put my head down and try to sleep but then get yelled at for sticking it to the man and bringing a pillow to sleep on and then have to put my head down on the cold hard desk for 4 FRIKEN HOURS. we should be able to leave school when we are done IMHO they take standardized testing way to seriosly and it is stupid questons that show that you are literate, and when a student is making good grades in advanced: Math, Chemistry, Computer science, and in COLLEGE History, along with a 95 in ENGLISH. why should i take a test to show that i can READ? I ABSOLUTELY HATE STANDARDIZED TESTS
I agree with him. Why punish kids for being smart?
Doesn’t make sense to me. If they did that to my
kid I would have somebody head!
Screwed up the formatting tags again I was supposed
to say kidwithtape had this to say
Come on J you know you want to post something.
Smacktle
#78
I agree. If I were Kid’s parents, I would certainly look into this. I remember taking tests, you turn them in and you leave. Of course, back in those days, all the kids were pretty equal in the brains department. We never had a need for these tutoring programs. We learned in school, we had good teachers who could teach. Not today! I imagine the Kid probably knows as much as his teachers do. So sad really that the liberal colleges keep turning out these so-called “education degrees.”
#78/80
I’m assuming the kids are required to stay for 2 reasons:
1. So they don’t rush thru the test, and actually take some time to check their work.
2. So they’re not wandering the streets afterwards.
It’s unfortunate that kids like Kid are penalized for being smart and responsible. But that’s life sometimes. It doesn’t always go our way.
#76
Hey Vic,
Clinton did shoot his wad when he sent all those cruise missles to blow up those mud huts in Afghanistan and bomb a fifth world country further into the stone age.
And……the repulicans are too far left for me.
#78 Hey Smacktle
We are working. Right now we are teaching a B-2 how to drop the bunkerbusters on Iran. We are also teaching a 747 how to shoot a raygun out of its nose to shoot down the nuke missles when they are launched against us.
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/
#78 & #80 - At the risk of arousing sleeping liberals, a large part of the problem with public education are union agreements that allow bad teachers to get paid the same or more than good teachers. Many should have been fired long ago but because of tenure they can’t be touched. There should be no more tenure. If you’re a bad teacher you should be fired. Period. If you’re a good teacher you should be making at least twice what you are now.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21328
I never made it through HS, was to eager to get out there and work. Got my GED and tried college, but I was too impatient. The funny thing is, I make
more money than a lot of college graduates I know.
The only way I could see to really make any real money was to go into business for myself. Sales is
where all the money is. Or I could have gotten my
degree and gone to work for the Mayors pro tem office. Get me one of them bonuses.
pmartin your right about the kids parents, but did the kid say anything to them? I should have asked more questions when I saw that post.
#81 headshaker
But that’s life sometimes. It doesn’t always go our way.
Yeah but we need to support our kids, teach them how to respond and bounce back. Things like this (what happened to kid)can really effect them, have them become resigned about life turn to drugs etc… We need parents involved with their kids.
I went through some really tough times when I was a kid and if my dad had been paying attention, then he could have made a difference for me. I’m not blaming him for anything he was an excellent father. Parents just need to pay attention. It makes a huge difference for the kid(s).
May all children and young people be held as sacred and recognized as the future.
#82 Viktor
Now that’s cool!
#85 Smackie
Absolutely. I have 4 daughters (20,18,11 and 9), and the things I reinforce are that life is always going to have challenges and that things are not always going to be fair.
You hit the nail on the head - many parents are not involved with their kids, and some of the ones that are have their heads so far up their arses they don’t see (or don’t want to see) the real issues/problems their children are struggling with.
My kids can come to me for anything, and they do, even though they’re girls. Sure, they’ve made mistakes and will make many more, and usually within 24 hours they’ve “fessed up” and we dealt with it, because it was weighing so heavily on their conscience.
What I stress to them daily is that everyone makes mistakes, but they have to resist the temptation to do something that could be a life-altering mistake. Believe me, as good as they are, this scares me constantly, because I hear about the things their friends are doing, and it’s beyond belief.
Hmm, I leave the comfort of my office to risk a trip to the hotel while there are maniacs on the prowl looking to kidnap me. Plug back in and the subject’s changed?
I guess that means I won?
#87 Vic
When a conversation becomes a dead horse, then it changes. Just the natural progression of things here on LST.
#85
Hey Smacktle
Here is what else is happening. Watch your news tonight.
http://www.blackanthem.com/World/military_2006021705.html
I’m just always plugging away to get the crowd back to traditional republican values you know. I don’t come often, but, when I come ready. So far the it’s all Clinton’s fault reasoning hasn’t swayed me from my, “it’s all Bush’s fault”. I still agree with someone above. These are trying times, but, I sure hope we can do better in the next elections. I don’t think history will be as kind to GWB as it will to Reagan or even Nixon for that matter.
Hamous,
Afghanistan is a hell hole that will eventually fall back into the 17th century.99% of that country doesnt have a plumbed toilet.
Iraq will be a hell hole for the next 150 years too. As soon as we leave it will go back to the typical muzlum,sunni,shiite rat trap.Bunch of tribes fighting over a camel trail. We blew over a trillion dollars and 3K plus American lives. As far as Saddam. I bet he would have left for a few hundred million and safe passage to Syria.Sound like the better deal now.
Democracy in the Arab world? C’mon man. You have a better chance of seeing Cindy Sheehan in Penthouse mag spread eagle holding a American flag.Ewwwww.I know. Not a pretty picture.
Lybia? Well,they want to play ball to get some of our money.No big surprise there.
Tax cuts? Whatever you saved was gone the first month in higher energy prices because ol Georgy sat on his hands and let oil prices go to $70 a barrel. Now he is touting Hybrids. Day late and a dollar short IMHO.
France? They will fold as soon as Iran offers them cheap oil.
T-Bone!!! I’m shocked, way to go. Where’s that Gadboy character. And, what’s his name? feagan?
I know T-Bone, I’m the eternal optimist. I’m hoping for something along the lines of Turkey. Its possible in Iraq, probably less likely in Afghanistan, but whaddya do? I’m not down with the “turn ‘em into glass” crowd without at least trying to help ‘em out first. Here’s what I don’t want to do: Do nothing, let the Euorpeans appease themselves into another jam, and us have to go over there for the third time and fight another real war, you know the kind where 400,000+ American lives are lost.
On a lighter note…Beware the Woomba
This is pretty funny:
http://www.toilette-humor.com/woomba.html
I was watching Ollie North interviewing the old B24 crews from WW2. I was amazed to find that three years into the war, FDR was still sending them out on missions with unarmored planes.
#91
“ol Georgy sat on his hands and let oil prices go to $70 a barrel”
Huh? Carter tried price controls - remember the gas lines? GW did just the right thing: let the market respond. Prices rose, drilling activity is increasing, and prices have stabilized and are falling. Now if the libs will just allow drilling off the east coast and in ANWR, things can continue improving.
You can return to Carter’s gas lines if you want, but please leave me out of it!!!
Hamous,
Once again, that’s why I think we are not particularly winning over there and I think the American people don’t understand it and are not being told the truth, which is certainly one of the things that bothers me.
If anyone here has travelled to these places (I’ve never been to Iraq, but, known many Iraqis) it would be painfully obvious that the kind of Democracy that we have isn’t going to flourish there.
You say, “whaddya do?” and that you want to “try(ing) to help ‘em out first”, but, what has that got us? Nothing in my opinion. And more of the same is going to get us more of the same.
Now, I know that it’s popular here at this point to call me a leftist, liberal, wackjob, nutcase, hater of the troops, apologist, etc. But, that’s just not the case.
But, you say that you don’t want us to get into a “real war” where 400K Americans are killed.
But, it seems to me, you can’t have it both ways. You want to have a “small” war now to avoid a large one later. Well, do you really blame people that are just slightly on the other side of the fence from you and don’t want that. Does it do you, you’re side, or the country any good for either side to villify the other just because they currently feel different about this war?
I am working for an Englishman right now and when we started working together, one night after a few cold ones we started down this track and this guy told me, “I can’t f’ing beleive that on September 12th you guys didn’t send in a wave of nukes into Afganistan!”
I thought he was joking, but, he wasn’t.
Maybe that would have been the better course at the time. Maybe not only Libya would have come around then. Who knows.
But, what we have now is alot of tough talk, I support the troops but don’t want to give up my tax cuts, I’m for the war, but, don’t want to get off my keister and fight rhetoric and a bunch of fear mongering.
Some here like to think that makes us safer. I’ve been all around this world and I am a bit more of a sceptic.
#97
Hey Vic,
Your English friend was wrong, we should have nuked Tehran back in 1978 when they took over our embassy.
#98 Viktor - yeah, that makes sense. That would have been greeted with great fanfare from the American people and the rest of the world.
You’re not comparing apples to apples. 9/11 and the embassy situation in 1978 are like trying to compare, well, Democrats to Republicans.
Hey headshaker,
watch your news tonight and you will see what I did today.
http://www.blackanthem.com/World/military_2006021705.html
Vic, I don’t understand your “can’t have it both ways” comment. I’m not trying to. It seems to me we only had three choices:
1. Go in and take as many of the bad guys out as we can and kill as few civilians as possible. While every American soldier’s life is tragic, its a sacrifice most Americans were willing to make at the time.
2. Bomb them further back into the stone age with no regard to who would be killed. I’m certain most Americans weren’t in favor of this option.
3. Do nothing. This seems to be what a lot of people now think, although I still don’t think its a majority. This option, in my opinion, would have been the worst for Americans. It would have allowed the Russians and Chinese to continue arming the despotic regimes to the point where they would have been much stronger. The Euorpeans would have stayed on their appeasement course. And in the end we would have had to fight a much bigger war.
Once again, I don’t see how I’m trying to have it both ways.
Is that what a good Christian would do Viktor?
mrygill2,
who said anything about price controls? GWB could have turned the screws on the OPEC’ers by saying in effect you step up production and keep the cheap oil flowing or I’ll stop protecting your little golden ass kingdoms. Then he could have turned to Big Oil and told them the same thing.No offense to golden ass kingdoms.
Its like going into a restaurant and letting them bring you out the food they want you to eat at the price they want you to pay and accepting it dry.
Its time to stop taking this crap.What is so hard to understand about that!
#100 - to borrow a familiar phrase here, what exactly is your point?
I will not feed trolls. I will not feed trolls. I will not feed trolls. Repeat.
#102
Vic,
A good Christian would have already grabbed you by the collar and slapped your waffling face. Jesus said to render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser’s, that means war belongs to the kind and it sould be fought so that the least amount of property and people damage happen to you. That means nucular weapons. The Bible is very clear about waging war. If you would like then you can go and hold the homing device so the MIRVs fall upon the correct coordinates.
Headshaker,
Nevermind.
Hamous,
I think that your three options aren’t the only three. You’re third is do nothing. Thats what most people here seem to think anything but War in Iraq was, was to do nothing.
Did Reagan win the cold war by doing nothing? He didn’t fire a shot at the Russians. Was that doing nothing?
Putting diplomatic pressure on other countries to rat out the finks could have helped. Setting up more commando teams to go in covertly and get the rascals could have worked? Did we try these things? Not really. Could we have bribed other governments with sucker military equipment deals?
Hell, there’s a host of options open to us. We are the most powerful nation on the face of the earth.
But, most of us liked it when it looked like a cakewalk and now we are having second thoughts. That’s life. Could we not have protected ourselves (as so many point our here that WE haven’t been attached since 9/11, although I don’t know what they think IED’s are) without going into Iraq?
In hindsight I say yes. Does that mean that we would be “doing nothing”? Absolutely not. Does that mean your a “wimp” or a “liberal” or “don’t support the troops” if you don’t support our previous or present course of action? No, but, you would think that listening here.
Hamous, there were more than three courses of action, you were just led to believe differently.
Another Bible-thumping warmonger. That explains everything. Long live Caesar, and Bush!
Well, I hope we won’t be electing Viktor anytime soon.
Stay away from that button now…take it nice and easy!
#108 - Comparing the cold war to the current war against Islamofascism makes no sense except in one very real way: the same people against this war were against Reagan in the cold war. Had Reagan listened to the Kennedys and Kerrys in the ’80s we’d still be fighting that war too.