Estupido Update
by David Benzion · 03/31/2006 7:00 amCompletely independent of the merits of the debate, I’m struck by just how mind-numbingly clueless the advocates for illegal aliens / undocumented workers have been over this past week.
Theoretically, the purpose of these protests is to gain public sympathy on behalf of one’s cause. That was part of the brilliance of the 50’s and 60’s civil rights strategy, where activists went out of their way to be clean-cut and well dressed, stressed their belief in and commitment to American ideals, and insisted on a dignified (and sympathy-generating) non-violence.
Compare that with this week’s Mexican vs. American flag debacles.
Here’s another tip– teenagers are inherently melodramatic and inarticulate– not the best messengers to send out into the streets.
Nor, do I think, pictures like these– captured by and courtesy of a Houston Chronicle slide-show (right column of page)– help the cause.
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Nothing screams "Welcome Us!" like chanting teenage boys;
But I’m sorry, what do those stickers on your shirts say?
"DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME"
Now there’s a winning message for a protest in Texas!
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Skipping school and making life hard for a cop.
What a brilliant sympathy-generating strategy.
I just love this next close-up though; check out the kid on the far right side.
"Gosh, today is the protest– I think I’ll wear my ‘Scarface’ t-shirt!"
Because the best way to win over the American public is to remind them of a foul-mouthed, coke-snorting, machine-gun wielding Latino immigrant pop-culture icon.
"Say ‘Hello’ to my LITTLE FRIEND!"
Hey Householder– I know you’re busy, but maybe you could find a few hours to give these knuckle-headed kids some pointers? 
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Once the Mexican flag gets run up one of OUR flagpoles, it’s time to get the National Guard to take back that building. Sorry… I meant “vigorously” take back that building….
The Mexican flag on one of our buildings is a sign of our loss of that building to Mexico. Time to stiffle the “invasion”.
Let businesses know that you will not spend your money there or buy their products if they:
Knowingly hire illegals
Advertise on Spanish radion stations or TV (they helped spread the word to the illegals and are sympathetic to them)
Fly a Mexican flag
This is something we can all do!!
The time for action is now.
http://www.minutemanhq.com/
Apathy kills.
If I were the principal, I would have burned the flag.
If that is not free speech, I don’t know what is. Of course, that’s why I will never be a principal.
Looks like some of those kids are throwing gang signs… I see two MS 13 gang hand signs on the first picture!!
Yeah, we want to welcome these guys here!!
You should change the caption to:
Nothing screams “Welcome Us!” like chanting teenage boys throwing gang signs!
The principal needs to be fired. Talk about a good example of our tax dollars going towards education.
cronyn, hutch and brady remind me of firemen who show up at a fire and park the truck a block away, watch as some of the residents die of smoke inhilation and others come out of the house with their clothes on fire. At the end they get back in the truck and drive off while the whole time they got paid ($150,00 plus a year), never made a decision (other than to do nothing), never got involved (discussed it but never helped) and talked about what should have been done.
Now what exactly does one expect when you are educated in such a liberal school system that allows students to listen to Ipods during class “IF THE TEACHER FEELS IT WILL HELP THEM LEARN THEIR SUBJECT MATTER.” Certainly it would have helped me learn algebra 35 years ago if I could have listened to music during class. And I’m sure the lyrics help them learn English.
The illegal aliens are planting the Mexican flag as if they claim this territory for Mexico, as if they had conquered this land and made it their own. Well you have just stirred the silent majority and will regret your actions. Remember we vote, legally.
As far as the students go, they were just looking to skip class. Give them free education and this is how they reward you. The lack of action by any legal authority only encourages those protestors into believeing “mob rule” rules.
It’s really funny that they have “DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME” stickers when Bush is down in Cancun
working for them!
The only mexican flag I will tolerate raising are the little ones on the tables at Panchos. All others should be burned if displayed in public!
Did you see councilman Noriega? Telling the idiot kids that what they have done is just as “American as the Boston Tea Party?” Ha! The biggest problem with that statement is that none of those idiot kids has any idea what the Boston Tea Party is! That would require taking off the ipods in class, or actually reading a text book.
It’s time for another Battle of San Jacinto. Drive them out! Those idiot kids are too stupid to live in America!
If we had separation of government and schooling, like it was prior to the Yankee occupation, this would not be a problem.
And y’all think that the Bush administration will do anything about it you will be disappointed.
Mexico recently announced a huge oil find in the Gulf. If access to oil for imports to these uS becomes an more difficult to obtain, Mexico will be the logical place to go to buy oil to make-up any shortfalls.
Do you think that Mexico will not use that as leverage to extract favorable “immigration” policies from POTUS?
Things are getting curiouser and curiouser.
And do not forget that Texas wants to confiscate, err, use Eminent Domain, to build a huge toll road and railroad tracks.
Who will own this toll road and tracks?
A Spanish company.
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/03/25corridor.html
http://www.txfb.org/TexasAgriculture/2005/031805/031805TTCpart3.htm
http://www.corridorwatch.org/ttc/cw-caminocolombia.htm
http://www.us.spainbusiness.com/icex/cda/controller/pageInv/0,2958,35868_594951_1026487_414175,00.html
No Matter How You Package It, Illegal Is Illegal
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13651
The Texicans whupped em once and we can do it again. After seeing the gang signs,though, they may be better armed this time.
It really makes me laugh when I read people here writing about burning flags. It just goes to show that those who advocate that are no better than others in this world who burn ours.
It’s also funny how the populace has been, once again, totally manipulated into a frenzy by politicos and the media.
I’ve really noticed how nobody goes to mexican restaurants in Houston. I’ve really noticed while driving around in the suburbs how many people are mowing their own lawn. I’ve really noticed how many people have contractors work on their house who are all white. I’ve really noticed how everyone is telling the city to stop the road construction b/c all the guys working there appear to be of latin descent. I’ve REALLY noticed in a Texas Monthly magazine recently how many of the Texans who died in Iraq and Afganistan have latin sounding names and faces.
So, have fun in your latest frenzy. I think I’d like to head to a Mexican place and have me an ice cold Margarita. Or should they be boycotted also?
#12, a private business can raise any flag they want to. When the Mexican flag is put on poone of our public buildings, that symbolizes Mexico’s “occupation” of that building. We would have a problem with that action.
#17, we all have that choice {visit any establishment we want to patronize}, however, taking down our flag and raising another Nation’s flag on one of our public buildings is cause for action on our part. {either National Guard, US Military or our own militia} It is that simple.
#17 Vic
So I guess you propose to keeps things the same?
Status quo, do nothing? I love how people come on
here, knock down somebody elses suggestions, but
never have any solutions of their own.
fasternu426 is a business man, so he is thinking
from a business mans perspective. He has an idea!
What’s yours?
Vic, you don’t get it. You think it’s funny? I mow my own lawn, thank you. I own a business, and will not hire an illegal. We are talking about a soft invasion here. A Spanish sounding name has nothing to do with this issue. It is one’s loyalty to this nation. It’s not the Mexican culture that makes us angry. It is the in-your face additude that is being displayed by ILLEGAL immigrants and this gov’t (local, state and federal) coddling them.
“I’ve REALLY noticed in a Texas Monthly magazine recently how many of the Texans who died in Iraq and Afganistan have latin sounding names and faces.”
You stated that these people are “Texans” not Mexicans. There is the difference. They scarificed for this country instead of sucking the life out of it and sending it south! And it makes you laugh?
And by the way VIC, my wife is hispanic, meaning that my son is part hispanic. But neither he nor she call themselves by any hyphenated name. They are Americans. My boy is 6 and places his hand over his heart and says the pledge to this country, not to a 3rd world hellhole run by corrupt politicos. His blood and mine are the same. The woman I love is hispanic, but not Mexican. Mexico is a country, not a race!
#17
I have lived here all my life, work in education,
am not manipulated, have enough sense to form my own opinions and don’t listen to politicos rhetoric.
If you don’t have enough sense to see what is going on in front of you, you can’t be helped. Have another sip of kool aid.
I am Hispanic. I call me a Texian. After Christian, husband and father.
Where ya at Vic….?
Just like a cocka-rocha…run away…..
Mike,
Military Action? National Guard? Miltia?????You’ve got to be kidding? I have no doubt that a call to the principal from the superintendent should do the job. But, if you feel it’s necessary to get your “militia” over there, good luck.
Smacktle,
No, I don’t really recommend the status quo, although I do think the problem is being blown grossly out of proportion.
The frenzy wasn’t really on until approximately 2 years ago, when it got started because some started to worry about Bin Ladin walking across the border with a Nuke strapped on his back. That’s when the frenzy got started and it has built up to the crescendo that it is right now. The people on the frenzied side of this arguement claim that all of these illegals are sucking our money by using our services, but, to tell you the truth, every time I’ve been in the emergency room in the last 5 years (3 times) I wasn’t overwhelmed by illegals. Personnally I could care less if a Fiesta is full of people speaking spanish, I don’t have to go there if I don’t want to.
By the way Smacktle the suggestion that I “knocked down” was burning flags. But I guess you are in favor of that.
I am totally in favor of some kind of guest worker program. If you give people an incentive to come and then go back, alot will. Then, since they played by the rules, they would be welcomed back next time. Everyone who is against this idea acts like if something like this was enacted, then we would be overun by Mexicans. Well, newsflash, we already are, so what would be the difference. Our unemployment rate in this country has been hovering around the “natural” level for years, so, it’s not as if these illegals are “stealing” anyone’s jobs at the moment. Now, I’ll have to admit that if a recession comes, and the unemployment rates go up, then look out illegals, those here who don’t have jobs will be coming after your janitorial job, your busboy job, your lawnmowing job and you will be run out of here.
If people think that building a fence along portions of the border is going to stop illegal immigration, then they should stop smoking whatever it is that they have been smoking.
Have you all ever stopped and asked yourselves why government (and businesses both large and small) “coddle” these people? It’s so easy, its “laughable”. Because it makes sense CAPITALISTICALLY. Follow the money for God’s sake. These businesses can’t find decent citizens to do their work, and, lo and behold, along comes someone willing. His name is Rodriguez or Flores or Perez, but, he has a valid Social Security card, so, he’s hired. Later on, it’s found out that his card was a fake and the employer has to make a choice. Keep him on off the record or let him go. I’m sure that choice depends on how good of an employee he was.
How do you know that those students were ILLEGAL? Could it be that they were the same latin looking people that were sons of some of the Patriots who have died in our wars?
I wasn’t aware that busboys and gardeners were “sucking the life out of” this country.
I’m about as worried about a bunch of Mexicans taking over this country as I am about a band of Islamic Terrorists taking over this country. Not.
But, Fearmongering and tough talk (Militias, jesus) is always the flavor of the day here.
I think I’ll go and suck the life out of an ice cold beer.
these idiot gang bangers (kids) are not gathering illegally to garner public sympathy, but to intimidate the air headed politicians into not supporting the enforcement of existing immigration laws. Someone organized this public display of the oblivious hatred for American Culture and Laws. The drive out bush t-shirts are proof of that. These idiot gang bangers (kids) aren’t smart enough to do that on there own.
I am under the impression that to gather in mass you needed a permit? Is this more evidence of illegals being illegal? What has happened to our Political leaders? The Mayor of Houston to give an interview to the gang bangers (kids) is a strong signal that he has caved. Has the battle been won by this illegals? I think our government has sold out the law abiding citizens of the USA for the vote. I trust non of them anymore.
rj
Oh, you doesn’t has to call me Johnson!
Wellll, You can call me Raymond,
or you can call me Ray,
or you can call me Jay,
or you can call me Johnny,
or you can call me Sonny,
or you can call me Junior,
or you can call me RayJay,
or you can call me RJ,
or you can call me RJJ
or you can call me RJJ Jr.,
or you can call me Raymond J. Johnson Jr.
But DOOOOON’T you ever call me ‘Late For Dinner’!
I bet the collective IQ of all of those marching wouldn’t equal room temperature.
Go home to Mexico…we do not want or need you here.
RJ,
You should read Amendment number 1 of the United States Constitution. I believe we have the right to peaceably assemble.
# 25;
I gather from your opinions, you’ve already sucked down more than just a few beers!
rj
Vic,
“I do think the problem is being blown grossly out of proportion.”
Hundreds of thousands taking to the streets and kids walking out of school? Just short of total insurrection bud, wait till the other shoe drops. As far as sucking the life out of this country… Mexico’s largest money maker is money wired back there from here. Go have another beer.
RJ,
Not yet, it’s just hitting quitting time (06:00 PM on a Friday afternoon) here in the Eastern hemisphere. Some of us actually do get out into the world and SEE what’s going on, not just read about it on blogs. LST has readers on all continents, I’m sure!
Vic, amendment #1 does not allow people to lower the US flag and install another Nation’s flag on one of our public buildings.
Peacably assemble… OK .
Remove our flag from one of our public buildings and install another Nation’s flag? No way.
It signifies an illegal “taking over” of one of our buildings and should be met with “overwhelming” force. Or do you want to set some form of a precident for future “conquests” by “occupying forces”?
Whoops, excuse me, I was thinking Vic was in our neighborhood. He really doesn’t have a clue what’s going on around these southern states. No wonder his opinions are skewed.
Faster,
What exactly is going to happen, “when the other shoe drops”? Are these Busboys and gardeners going to insurrect (sp?) us and convert us to Mexicanism. Once again, I have about as much fear of that as I have of Terrorist taking over this country and converting us to Islam. NOT!!
And what is wrong with people making money and sending it to their families. I do that every month. The only difference is that I work outside the US and send my money home there.
Just capitalism baby, I love it! So soes my Latin wife (who isn’t Mexican, nor “Hispanic”)
But, I will take you up on that beer offer though. I can taste it now, an Ice Cold Heineken on a warm spring day loving Texas, America, the World and FREEDOM.
Oh, and it wouldn’t be me without loving TRADITIONAL REPUBLICAN VALUES. Honesty, Integrity, NO FEAR. And a job for someone whose willing to work hard. Long live Capitalism.
The public school system was beyond broken, and the recent publicized events underscore the urgency in having the legislature incorporate VOUCHERS in the upcoming Special Session.
No more troll food. Go get another beer…
Hey Mike,
Go for it. Get your militia together. Historically this site is full of Chickenhawks who like to talk a big game, but, normally like to do if from the comfort of a keyboard. Contributing “in other ways” to war efforts is usually the Standard Operation Procedure around here, so, if I see on one of the local Houston news websites tonight the story about “Mike and his Armed Militia” taking out the Principal at Reagan High School in the Heights with OVERWHELMING FORCE and and were promptly arrested, I’ll then know that you are a man of Action and not just another Blowhard.
These children have no politics. It is all about skipping school. Get real y’all. Any excuse to beat feet out of class will do. Most of them will never vote, just as many here never do. Illegal aliens rarely commit crime because it attracts attention and can result in deportation. For young men, this is about the fun of battle and rebellion. I can relate to that. Their minds are not yet developed. With luck they will survive to grow a brain.
It’s not these kids, it’s the ones that encourage them to do this. They are useful idiots. They are cannon fodder for those with a real agenda. This has potential to get out of hand. From both sides!! Remember Seattle, LA after Rodney King.. what would it take to incite some stupid kids to get violent? It obviously didn’t take much to get them to skip school. Squishy headed thinking by thoise that are entrusted to leads them to believe this is the way to act and that they can get away with it. Then they take the next step and property gets damaged and people get hurt.
How about closing oversea bases (there is no constitutional authority to have them) and place them on the border.
I do not support the “police state” to track and deport illegal aliens. Sorry but I WILL NOT give up my rights. If they are caught, or there is a sting operation because of reliable information, by all means get them and deport them.
Since when “conservatives” changed their view that private citizens are not to be burdened with performing activities that are functions of the government? Folks, I am for deporting any and all illegal aliens but I am against blaming individuals for not knowing what a fake ID looks like or the SocSecAdmin not informing when a SSN is bad.
The solution is not to turn us into government employees or pliant subjects.
Vic, stop with the insulting comments. Your constant insinuations of being better informed because of your claimed presence in a foreign country are not welcome, nor are they backed up with much. I’m sure you can holler “Chickenhawk!” in eight different languages, but that’s not worth a whole lot around here.
Odins,
You NAILED IT. It’s much ado about nothing as far as the kids go. It’s like the Rockets winning the championship. Just an excuse to get out and be kids. So, someone put a flag up. So someone put a sticker on their shirt. They don’t really care. It’s spring time and they’re gonna go and wade in the pond at City Hall! It’s for some reason assumed that these kids are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, which, who knows, maybe some of them are or some of them are children of parents who are, but, in the end it’s just much ado ’bout nothin’.
What I don’t understand really, is the venom towards people that pretty much just want to come over here because they find better economic conditions over here. Would anyone here do otherwise if they were in these peoples shoes. Or would we blindly follow the law and forgo a chance to better our lot in life and that of our children. If it were me, I think I would have the gumption to go for it and get out of my broken country and try for a better life and the American Dream, laws and consequences be damned!
For a group that seems to value hard work and capitalism so much, it’s surprising that the crowd here, all of the sudden and with a push by politicians and media “pundits” i might add, seem to have the same hate for these people (Illegal Immigrants) as they do for terrorists.
Talking about “attacking with overwhelming force” and “taking action”, “burn their flag”. Thats the kind of idiocy that you’d expect from a third rate Arab wannabe terrorist, not from thoughtful people who are supposedly interested in solving problems.
I absolutely agree with Benzion here that these local kids just kind of make fools of themselves, but, it’s not really about them. They were just manipulated by someone and took advantage and took a day off of school.
While I agree that illegal immigration has some bad effects (more crime, more pressure on social services, and many others that I’m sure have been discussed here ad nauseum before), I think the solutions being proposed by the reactionaries (who I think are being manipulated) won’t work.
Trying to arrest people who are suspected of being illegal by their looks on the street would be akin to having the gestapo asking everyone for their documentation and will never happen.
Trying to kick them all out won’t work. And if we did, many, many businesses would be so short of people that they would be screaming for the government to open up immigration again. If the numbers are correct and there really are 11,000,000 ILLEGAL immigrants here and say, half of them are working, and, you were successful in somehow finding them and kicking them out, where exactly would we get the 5 million working people who we just kicked out.
Building a fence along portions of the border is about the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. England doesn’t even share a land border with a foreign country and it is full of illegal immigrants also. Remember, not all illegal aliens swam across (or walked across) the Rio Grande.
So, for me, the best option is to make a program, just as Bush said a long time ago, where willing employers are matched with willing employees and a system is set up whereby they can come and work and then go home or work here for x years and then go home.
Obviously the devil is in the details, but, that’s what politicians and their staffs are supposed to do. Wouldn’t it be better to have a factory here in the states which hired Mexicans at a living wage for them, while also hiring white collar managers and contributed to the US economy (if they worked here they would pay rent here, shop here, eat here) (If it was a legal system, they would even pay taxes here) rather than have that factory exported to china?
Build a wall!
End of story!
Only when we have total protection on the border can we ever discuss a worker program!
If we have no berder protection we are still not safe from bad folks and will have another 20 million illegals by Monday night.
The illegals have proven they can just over power thru numbers.
When GW, Kat Bully, Cornyn, Culbutson invite 10 ilegals each to come live in their homes, share their food, beds, meds, etc…maybe I will change my toon. NOT! But you get the point.
#17 Vic
It is just now starting, it takes a little time to sink in for most rightwing conservatives to realize that we’re getting shafted. I am sure that most businesses can not afford even a 10% reduction of clientele. Also, most of us are not inclined to hurt legitimate latinos for actions committed by their illegal cousins, but the more that this problem is being highlighted and remarks such as yours will sway some conservatives to take actions such as a boycott of latino businesses.
Vic, apparently you don’t get it. No one is attacking anyone for wanting to come here. I think everyone here recognizes the need for immigration, both in an economic and a cultural sense. HOWEVER, most of us want these people to follow the laws that have been set forth for immigration. What is wrong with wanting people to follow laws?
Why can’t the leftists have any more depth than to call anyone who opposes illegals racist? Come on, hispanic chicks are hot. What I don’t like is people waving flags of foreign countries in my country. Fool! Wise up!
Bramanti,
I thought the Chickenhawk tag had stopped bothering you long ago.
How was my last post, did that have enough “backup” to be worthy, or, since it isn’t of the majority opinion here, should it be disregarded?
Jeez, I thought intelligent debate with diverse viewpoints was welcome around here. It would get rather boring if it was always the same ole, same ole. Calling people when they make statements that they simply have no intent on backing up is part of it. You don’t see me saying stuff that I’m not really going to do. I just don’t think that alot of false bravado advances any arguements either. How many times recently has Benzion brought up some point or another only to have the posters start to put violence onto it and have to be calmed down. I don’t see any value in that.
Oh, and it’s not “claimed” it’s fact. But, it’s not country. It’s countries.
#39 odins
These young ones and their parents obviuously are not interrested in education. It is more important to them to be revolutionaries. Chances are that these young ones will have high paying jobs such as dishwashers and mowing lawns, while the kids who choose to stay in school and learn may become your doctors.
Just stuffed and sent 7 solicitations from the RNC with bush bucks. Hope all will do likewise.
Bush Bucks his Oath.
Duhmoose,
My point exactly. The reason that these people don’t follow the laws is because the laws don’t work to get them in. So, they go ahead and break them and take the chance. Nothing is wrong with WANTING people to follow the laws, but, if they aren’t you have to be smart about how you fix the problem.
Imagine if you made illegal immigration a felony and then started rounding up illegals. Where would you put them? While it sounds “Tough”, it’s really just totally unworkable and useless.
DJ wants a wall, but, I can’t really imagine that that solution is 1. Ever going to happen and 2. Would actually stop it.
So, instead of all the tough talk and portraying people who are looking for a job as terrorist, I would prefer to tone down the rhetoric and ratchet up the solutions.
#50 Phil
That is funny! You can print them and send them, that is about all I will send to the party.
They are only concerned with the latino vote and they have forsaken us, the American voters who got them elected in the first place.
Vic wants to think that we Conservatives only hyperventilate about certain issues, but he is wrong! There are plenty of us who do not go along
with the party no matter what.
Don’t feed the:
http://www.sterlingtimes.org/frightening_troll.htm
#51 Vic
Bless you Vic! you of all people, you offer not one solution to anything, you simply agitate.
You are probably laughing at the posters here who answer you but you have exposed yourself as being a Leftwing Kool Aide drinker with absolutely no solutions to any of the many problems which confront America.
Vic,
It sounds like you okay with people breaking the law and coming here illegally because they want to work! Even though there are millions of them we should just forgive their disrespect for US law and give them amnesty, right? What about millions of legal immigrants who trying hard to come to this country obeying the US laws? Should we just ignore them and their desire to become good citizens here and embrace everyone who comes here illegally instead? There is nothig wrong with coming here for a better opportunity, but it needs to be done legally! Accaptance of illegal immigration encourages illegal immigration further. Nobody soon will even try to come here legally anymore because it’s just too easy to do it the other way!
#51
I want a Corvette.
How do you think I should go about getting one since I cant afford one?
I dont see people in mexico starving to death! They just want a better life…as do I…so maybe since the laws dont fit I will just take some rich dudes house and car????
Man the ignorance is flowing.
#50
Thanks. I had lost that link and was out of dinero.
Kraut,
Did I not say in two seperate posts that I think some kind of guest worker program is the only solution? Read the posts at leats. By the way, I’m a traditional republican
#51
If the laws dont fit…you must acquit!
If you think this was just some kids who wanted an opportunity to skip school, think again. This was organized by latino groups at the same time the immigration legislation was being argued? Surprised? Also, how many school children do you know who normally, every day, bring the mexican flag to school. These little brats knew exactly what they were doing. It was a coordinated event all over the country ever since immigration reform was mentioned in December.
Vic,
I agree with you on two points. First, that rounding up illegals and deporting them en masse is logistically impossible. Second, that even if we did build a wall, illegals would find a way to get around it.
Here’s where we differ though, I think. You seem to think that capitalism and the availability of cheap labor for our market justifies people breaking the law and entering America illegally. I’m a firm believer in capitalism and a free market myself, but only when it exists within the confines of the law.
Take the Enron debacle for example. Was it OK to “cook the books” in the pursuit of money? Everybody loves having the freedom to make a buck, but if it’s not done within an established set of legal guidelines (which require strict enforcement), then what good is it? Allowing businesses to break the law to make money isn’t laissez faire capitalism, it’s mayhem.
That brings me to what I believe is the only realistic way to get this problem under control. Fine the hell out of any and every employer who is found to be employing an illegal immigrant. Fine them so heavily that they’ll basically be forced to stop doing business if they’re caught.
Will America suffer financially for a while as result? Probably so. But will our economy adjust and people learn that cheap labor isn’t always a good thing? Most assuredly so.
My view is that life is largely little more than a system of actions and consequences. There have been no negative consequences for businesses hiring illegals thus far. I believe we’re focusing on the wrong side of the equation by looking at the illegal immigrants.
The side of the equation we need to look at is the reason why people come here illegally: because there is financial incentive for them to do so. Make a strong enough negative financial consequence, and the problem will solve itself.
My views have nothing whatsoever to do with racism. I recognize and appreciate the contributions made by immigrants to our society. My views have everything to do with wanting what is best for America. Allowing millions of people to live illegally in our country is not what’s best for the country I love above all others.
Decriminalizing illegals is not the right course of action either. It’s an utter slap in the face to anyone who has come here the legal way from another country. I know many people who have immigrated here who feel that way, so no, that’s not just my American-born redneck opinion.
How about expanding the Rio Grande, on our side only, and build a shipping channel as far inland as possible. We will kill 2 birds with one stone.
Eliminate “de pecho” entries into Texas and establish ports where none exists and, maybe, lower the cost of goods into the “dessert hinterlands.”
Maybe, even, slowly keep expanding the channel all the way to the Upper Baja California Bay.
Place aging bombs in the right place to loosen up the soil, while getting rid of old war equipment, might help the process dirt removal. The dirt could just be piled up on the side to build a levy (or just a huge, long hill).
I told the owner of my favorite Mexican restaurant, that I have been going to since it opened 6 years ago, that as long as he employes illegals - I will not be returning. Maybe a little harsh for a friend but, have to make a point.
#50 phil
Classic! I am printing out and going to send some
to each Rep and the Whitehouse.
#58 Vic
LOL, what in the world is a traditional republican?
Now that’s an excellent idea. I like it.
#65,
That would be a Republican who agrees with Vic. Sorry Vic, I know that was a cheap shot, but I couldn’t resist.
If anybody builds a wall I will tear it down. This is my home too and I will not be fenced in. Walls also keep people In as well as Out. Bah. Not on my river. Not in my home. Not in my time. We had fence cutters when barbed-wire was introduced. That wasn’t anything compared to what will happen if anybody tries to build a wall around the Sovereign State of Texas. If we need a wall, I would build it on the NORTH end of the state for Heaven’s sake. Remember the Alamo. Remember Goliad.
With all this border talk, how do you like those minute men now????? Looking a lot prettier, aren’t they????
This is interesting - kids burning the mexican flag!
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/62231.html
Dude, (1)
I didn’t say that capitalism “justifies” doing it. Or if I did say something like that, it’s not what I meant. My real point is that, whether we like it or not, that is what is happening, and, like you said, as long as the economic opportunity is there, it will keep on happening, justified or not. But, the idea of fining companies that hire illegals, while fine, just won’t happen either b/c politicians, one way or another are in the pockets of the big companies, so, therefore that idea is just not going to happen.
Dude, (2)
No problem. I can take it and do here most of the time.
Kraut,
A traditional Republican is one more in the mold of Reagan. One, who, when attacked in Beirut, quietly walked away, b/c that was the best course of action at the time. One who has faith, but, doesn’t have to stuff it down everyone’s throats. One who isn’t a blowhard declaring “mission accomplished” and “dead or alive” kind of ridiculousness. One who doesn’t stick to the company line just because that is what the pack is doing. One who understands that allies and alliances are important and that sometimes you have to hang out with the wrong crowd to get the right thing done (Iran-Contra).
Bush is not my kind of Republican.
Well Vic, this makes three times I’ve agreed with you today (actually four if you count the beer comment, but here in Texas I’ve still got a few hours of work left). I hope you know I was just tweaking you in #67. Call it “troll” practice.
Vic
71
And Reagan granted amnasty to millions of illegals, starting the largest migratory movement in the history of this world. No other country on this Earth allow such migration.
#70 - at least some kids have a backbone. Sure won’t find it in the leadership at Reagan High School… or any other institution of perverted learning.
Wow Vic,
You do sound rational once you clarified your stance!
I just believe that in THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA, ANYTHING is POSSIBLE!
Financial incentives pro/con will solve anything. The rest is adjusting.
1. Contracts (all autos, apartments, land, home, phones and business) with ILLEGALS are null and void, unenforceable.
2. Tax ALL Money transferred IN (for coyotes) and OUT (for families) of this country by non-citizens of the USA. #1 will keep this in check.
3. Establish minimal fines for unknowing employers of ILLEGALS 1st offense. 2nd offense make it hurt!
4. Allow emergency care for anyone, but filter out criminals/ILLEGALS of any kind.
5. Establish guest worker program that pays for itself, filters criminals and that documents ALL!
6. Establish citizenship programs to pay for themselves with only the best to be accepted, deport any for criminal activity.
7. ILLEGALS cannot be allowed to vote, EVER.
#50 The BUSH BUCKS are great!! I will use them!
E-D
#50
I threw mine away. They sent me a card with ‘Republician’ on it. File 13. No contribution.
#68
Interesting take. You would knock down the wall?
Tell me have you joined the Minutemen?
Do you realize that in Texas the wall will be built on private land?
How about signing up for the Minuteman and heading to Doc Vickers ranch for a tour of what the illegals are doing to Docs place aka your state on a daily basis?
Maybe if 50 to 100 illegals ransacked your house every night, killed you dogs, livestock, broke water tanks for a drink, cut your fences, and terrorized your family, just maybe you would see things differently?
Just a thought.
#75
Your #1 of ideas would solve the whole enchilada!
But I still ask…..if I may quote the prez…”In a post 911 world” what about border security?
We still need to greatly increase the BP numbers which Bush crushed in the last bill!
#70
Sounds like some real American boys doing what young men who love their country.
And I must say after this emotional roller coaster I am not surprised or offended by it.
[quote]if I see on one of the local Houston news websites tonight the story about “Mike and his Armed Militia” taking out the Principal at Reagan High School in the Heights with OVERWHELMING FORCE and and were promptly arrested, I’ll then know that you are a man of Action and not just another Blowhard. [quote]
OK. If I see a Mexican flag flying over one of our public buildings, I WILL remove it. If there is resistance to my removal of a foreign country’s flag from our building, it will be met with force.
How’s that, Vic?
#71 Vic,
You expect me to believe that? Keep on spreading the humor!
Just came home up 529 near Hwy 6; several kids walking down 529 with signs of support for Latinos. Horns blowing in support.
You wonder why I shake my head™
#80
Did vic call you a blow hard?
Ouch…but lame!
#82
I am through shaking my head!
82: You sure it was support? I’d be blowing my horn, too, but it wouldn’t be in support. It would be in get-the-hell-off-529-you-punks.
Matt
#84
Ditto - How do you, HS, think they were blowing their horns in SUPPORT rather than against what these kids were doing?
#84/85
Because the person honking the horn was driving a taco truck.
77
Maybe if 50 to 100 illegals ransacked your house every night, killed you dogs, livestock, broke water tanks for a drink, cut your fences, and terrorized your family, just maybe you would see things differently?
Not in Texas
#87
I am not sure if I follow.
Google Doc Vickers. They live and breath the illegal alien nightmare every day of their lives.
The real kicker is Doc is the Republican chair for that area and went to college with Perry.
I dont think he is a fan of Perrys anymore. They have another beef down there with Perry. The trans Texas corridor is cutting a swath right thru there!
You know…the eminent domain bullshit of Texas?
Chris, Ryan and the Judge were beating up on KSEV callers today who had any view other than we need a guest worker program. So much for Dan not turning to the dark side. What is sad is that we trusted KSEV and it didn’t take long for this to happen.
I have listened to Chris. To me he comes across as nothing more than a Slick Jorge W Bush II Shill.
Slick JWBII says Americans are to lazy to do the labor jobs and then he wants to increase H1B visas because Americans are to stupid to do the high-tech jobs.
Slick Jorge W Bush II is to stupid to be president, but he is.
We need to outsource him. Oh that’s right, he’s already outsourced himself as a Shill for Mexico.
#89
Not Jerry Doyle!