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  1. neocon on May 19th, 2006 at 10:03 pm

    First!

  2. headshaker on May 19th, 2006 at 10:09 pm

    10:00 PM on Friday? C’mon neo, how can you even claim this as a legitimate “First!”?

  3. neocon on May 19th, 2006 at 10:39 pm

    Headshaker,

    I was surprised my own self! But first is first! It was posted and I responded! Ha™

  4. jimb on May 19th, 2006 at 10:39 pm

    OK, then:

    Ha!™

    If Rorschach can open an open comments thread on Friday nite, what the heck? Rules are already out the window…

  5. bweldon on May 19th, 2006 at 10:45 pm

    You know I wish the marine would have said “satisfaction that I have done my job to keep you free to say what you want”

    Thank God for all those who server our country,

  6. neocon on May 19th, 2006 at 10:53 pm

    Okay, since I’m first, I’ll go to bed now and the rest of you can do your best!

  7. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 12:05 am

    The real first for the weekend. Check the timestamp. Muhwahahahaha

  8. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 12:07 am

    64,265

  9. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 1:05 am

    Public Service announcement There is going to be a “Guy’s” night out on June 24th at at the Katy Copperheads game. Inexpensive entertainment for all

    Tickets start at $10 for more info e-mail wtweldon@yahoo.com

    Copperhead info here
    http://www.katyprofootball.com/index.php?page=home
    schedule here
    http://www.katyprofootball.com/index.php?page=schedule

    Disclaimer— this event is for any and all football fans.

  10. The Dude on May 20th, 2006 at 6:04 am

    #8 Squawk,

    64,265?!?!

    How can you say that?

    Well… 2^16 = 65,536

    Clearly, I’ve shown 64,265 to be a fallacious argument.

  11. headshaker on May 20th, 2006 at 6:33 am

    #10 Dude

    There you go again, bringing your fallace into the argument.

    Bad Dude, bad.

  12. The Dude on May 20th, 2006 at 6:38 am

    What good is it getting up early on Saturday if you can’t wave your phallic fallacious symbol at sleeping moderators? I know… I know… I need to clean up my act. It’s all that Smacktle’s fault. My mother warned me about him, but did I listen? Noooooooooo…

  13. davewolfgang on May 20th, 2006 at 6:56 am

    I remember the story about the old country preacher who had a teenage son, and it was getting time the boy should give some thought along the line of choosing a profession. like many young men, then and now, the boy didn’t really know what he wanted to do- and he didn’t seem overly concerned about it.

    One day, while the boy was away at school, his father decided to try an experiment. What he did was to go into the boy’s room and place on his study table these three objects: a Bible, a silver dollar, and a bottle of whiskey…
    “Now then,” the old preacher said to himself, “I’ll just hide behind the door here and, when my son
    comes home from school this afternoon, I’ll see which of these three objects he picks up. If he picks up the Bible, he’s going to be a preacher like me, and what a blessing that would be!
    If he picks up the dollar, he’s going to be a businessman, and that would be O.K. too.

    But if he picks up the bottle, he’s going to be a drunkard - a no-good drunkard and Lord, what a shame that would be.”

    The old man was anxious as he waited, and soon he heard his son’s footsteps as he came in the house whistling and headed back to his room. He deposited his books on the bed, as a matter of routine, and as he turned around to leave the room he spotted the objects on the table. With a curious set in his eye, he walked over to inspect them.
    Finally, he picked up the Bible and placed it under his arm.
    He picked up the silver dollar and dropped it into his pocket.
    He uncorked the bottle and took a big drink…

    “Lord have mercy,” the old man whispered, “He’s gonna be a……politician.”

  14. Smacktle on May 20th, 2006 at 7:31 am

    Good morning everybody! bweldon your links aren’t working and I don’t mean your a bad golfer.

    headshaker I always think of you after I’ve gone to the bathroom! What a nickname!

  15. headshaker on May 20th, 2006 at 7:48 am

    #14 Smackie, I just figured out what your nickname means! You left out the letters “estic”!

  16. Smacktle on May 20th, 2006 at 8:29 am

    I’ll show you my “freak” dance someday and then you will know spastic. Beautiful day gotta go buy my wife and sons bicycles. Gotta keep that economy moving!

  17. GoodJobTim on May 20th, 2006 at 8:33 am

    Every once in a while the Bush critics will throw in that he “disbanded a standing army” in Iraq in the initial stages. Jerry Doyle said it yesterday.

    I’m not a military guy, so it’s an honest question, how would you go about turning an enemy army to your side, especially if they don’t stand and fight? Do you chase them down and slap a “U.S. Army” patch on them? Has this ever been done?

  18. GoodJobTim on May 20th, 2006 at 8:39 am

    And what would you bet that the current Iraqi military has a good number of former Saddam military personnel?

  19. malcolm on May 20th, 2006 at 8:41 am

    The sniper should have asked the liberal reporter back: “How do you feel when to write an article and don’t tell the real truth and make the story intertwined with your personal bias?

  20. malcolm on May 20th, 2006 at 8:51 am

    THE SNEEZE

    They walked in tandem, each of the ninety-two students filing into the already crowded auditorium at the University of Maryland. With rich maroon gowns flowing and the traditional caps, they looked almost as grown up as
    they felt. Dads swallowed hard behind broad smiles, and Moms freely brushed away tears. This class would not pray during the commencements—-not by choice, but because of a recent court ruling prohibiting it.
    The principal and several students were careful to stay within the guidelines allowed by the ruling. They gave inspirational and challenging
    speeches, but no one mentioned Divine guidance and no one asked for blessings on the graduates or their families. The speeches were nice, but
    they were routine…..until the final speech received a standing ovation. A solitary student walked proudly to the microphone. He stood still and silent for just a moment, and then, it happened.
    All 92 students, every single one of them, suddenly SNEEZED!!!! The student on stage simply looked at the audience and said, “GOD BLESS YOU,
    each and every one of you!” And he walked off stage…The audience exploded into applause. The graduating class found a unique way to invoke God’s blessing on their future!!

  21. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 20th, 2006 at 8:58 am

    Good morning. Is our country still here? I haven’t looked outside yet.All I hear is leaf blowers and I thought we were under attack.

  22. Mike S on May 20th, 2006 at 8:58 am

    ““The prospect that a nuclear-capable state may lose control of some of its weapons to terrorists is one of the greatest dangers the United States and its allies face,….” ”

    “…Pentagon planners have a very specific place in mind: Pakistan.”

    http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.24416/pub_detail.asp

  23. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 20th, 2006 at 9:00 am

    Hey Neocon, did you get my last e-mail? Any new info?

  24. DanielJames on May 20th, 2006 at 9:40 am

    While our marines are over there trying to save their country we have muslims here trying to take ours down.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50297

    Isnt diversity wonderful?

    America has cancer!

  25. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 20th, 2006 at 9:52 am

    DJ, that makes me sick. Our kids cant say anything about Jesus or God in schools but we have to give the Muzlum terrorists in GTMO Korans,special food and prayer rugs. ISMHLYKW™.

  26. Willie on May 20th, 2006 at 10:07 am

    Too bad we cannot have “none of the above” on the ballot come November:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901921.html

  27. Willie on May 20th, 2006 at 10:14 am

    neocon:
    Here’s the result of the trial you almost sat on as a juror:

    http://www.houstonchronicle.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3876097.html

    It sounds like a fair sentence.

  28. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 20th, 2006 at 10:16 am

    Willie,
    It seems the Republicans once they got power tried to get along with Democrats by becoming them. Now they will learn whats its like to be unemployed. At least the Democrats will act like Democrats and not try and get along with their counterparts. They will bury them. RIP.

  29. phil on May 20th, 2006 at 10:17 am

    #24

    Why the poor little girl was offended. Where is her tolerance and diversity?

    And on the flip side, we have a Senate that has a 670 page immigration farce bill that gives amnesty and social security benefits to illegal aliens regardless of whether they obtained employment with fraudulent documents.

    The Senate is full of Certifiable Lunatics who are giving America one big For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge You up the backside.

  30. Mike S on May 20th, 2006 at 10:17 am

    Some interesting history, especially as relates to the Palestinian/Israel issue. Does anyone here know more facts about this?

    “According to Mike Davis, who has researched and written on the subject, the car bomb did not reappear until towards the end of the Second World War. A Jewish terrorist group, the Stern Gang, fighting against the British for an independent state, contrived powerful car bombs that devastated symbols of British authority in Palestine, then a British mandate.”

    “The same group deployed car bombs against Palestinians in an effort to make them flee. Palestinians quickly absorbed the lessons and retaliated similarly, in the process indigenising the weapon.”

    http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/04/24/1601774.htm

    http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10079

  31. Willie on May 20th, 2006 at 10:28 am

    #28) T-Bone:
    I think it has more to do with power (and holding on to it) than politics. We’ve got to realize that the petty games we play with liberal/conservative and Democrat/Republican is part of the shell game played on us by the Establishment (man, that makes me sound downright “hippie-ish”). As long as we, the citizenry, allow ourselves to be so easily manipulated, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. Our elected officials, of both parties, ignore us and bend over for monied special interests.
    The only cure, I believe, is for us to vote out every incumbent for the next 10 elections, no matter the party. Maybe, just maybe, the parties might realize that it is us who are the true leaders of this country. A long shot I will agree, but we’ve got to do something soon. Our children deserve better than the pitiful legacy we seem to be intent on leaving them.

  32. Ree-C Murphey on May 20th, 2006 at 10:55 am

    My Dad sent this to me the other day. I thought you guys would appreciate it:

    FORWARDED IN THE NAME OF PATRIOTISM

    We all know that it is a sin for an Islamic male to see any woman other than his wife naked, and that he must commit suicide if he does.

    So next Sunday at 4:00 PM Eastern time, all American women are asked to walk out of their house completely naked to help weed out any neighborhood terrorists.

    Circling your block for one hour is recommended for this anti terrorist effort. All men are to position themselves in lawn chairs in front of their house to prove they are not terrorists, and to demonstrate that they think it’s okay to see nude women other than their wife and to show support for all American women.

    And since the Koran also does not approve of alcohol, a cold six-pack at your side is further proof of your anti terrorist sentiment.

    The American Government appreciates your efforts to root out terrorists and applauds your participation in this anti terrorist activity.

    God bless America and GOD BLESS AMERICAN WOMEN!

    I think a lot of us wouldn’t mind it if only it would work……..

  33. phil on May 20th, 2006 at 10:57 am

    What do America, Rome and the Certifiable Lunatics in charge, who have no knowledge of history, have in common?

  34. KRAUT on May 20th, 2006 at 11:03 am

    #26 willie
    Not voting in a particular race is the same as “none of the above”
    #31
    I agree it is a shell game, it is always the ones who are not up for election who do all the damage.
    They hope that we will forget how they stuck their finger in our eyes.
    Besides power, they also enjoy all that BIG money being thrown at them by lobbyists and they enjoy those obscene pensions for the rest of their lives.
    Many of the politicians do immense damage too by simply keeping quiet on all important issues, it’s like they are not even there. You hear from them when it is election time though, they want your money and your vote.

  35. Ree-C Murphey on May 20th, 2006 at 11:03 am

    As great as technology is these days, sometimes it really does get in the way.

    For a great illustration of this, check out this. It is what Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address may have been like with the “help” from Powerpoint.

  36. Willie on May 20th, 2006 at 11:06 am

    #32) The women of your neighborhood must look better than the ladies in mine. I shudder to think what most of my neighbors look like naked. I can tell you that it woeldn’t be a pretty site. :-)

  37. Butch on May 20th, 2006 at 11:08 am

    14 - Smacky -

    Oh Great! Now you are going to have me doing the same thing.

    I shake my head like you know who….too.

  38. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 20th, 2006 at 11:34 am

    I say all politicians should have to wear these when they are in session while we watch on CSPAN. We can get them back in line real fast. Although,all you would see is men and women convulsing on the floor all day.

  39. mrygill2 on May 20th, 2006 at 12:33 pm

    Mike S-
    There were 2 groups fighting for Israel’s independence, and one did use what we might call terror weapons - for example, bombing a hotel full of British soldiers. While terror is never justified, the main target was at least MILITARY, not CIVILIAN population.

    For more Israel history, including Britain’s refusal to allow jewish evacuees to go to Israel as WWII began and raged, see
    http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/

  40. mrygill2 on May 20th, 2006 at 12:35 pm

    Oh, and the Israelis did jail and prosecute Jewish terrorists, unlike the Arabs’ refusal to prosecute - or even disavow! - their brethren’s terrorist activities.

  41. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 12:57 pm

    Gill

    Mike’s whole purpose, if you look at the contents of his posts, is to spread doubt among us regarding our allies in the Gobal War on Terror.

  42. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 1:07 pm

    sargevining

    #41

    That is not for you to decide. If you have an issue with his comments address what was said.

    Squawk

  43. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 1:20 pm

    OK;

    will add:

    In my opinion, there is a preponderance of evidence that such is the case, and therefore, NWOR

    better?

  44. kidwittehtape on May 20th, 2006 at 1:31 pm

    well i have
    Peace of Mind

    do you?

  45. Big45Iron on May 20th, 2006 at 1:53 pm

    The Marine sniper, when asked that question, might also have answered, “Disappoint if I miss”.

  46. SC on May 20th, 2006 at 1:53 pm

    #20 Malcom. Refreshing
    I just got back from the graduation ceremony for HBU wher my much better half graduated. There were several prayers of course being a Baptist university. There were also Hindus and some Muslims in the audience and graduating. Not a one seemed offended.

  47. SC on May 20th, 2006 at 1:55 pm

    #44 Kid, I have lost large chunks of mine.

  48. stormy on May 20th, 2006 at 2:05 pm

    #33 Phil,

    One of my Latin vocab words for this week is senex, which is an adjective meaning “old, aged; old man” — it is the root of senate, senator and SENILE!

    I’d say a lot of Senators live up to their “root word”.

  49. SC on May 20th, 2006 at 2:11 pm

    #48 Not to mention their business.
    Politics
    Poly many
    Ticks = Blood sucking parasites

  50. kidwittehtape on May 20th, 2006 at 2:50 pm

    45 marine snipers DON’T miss period, ever.

  51. kidwittehtape on May 20th, 2006 at 2:55 pm

    BTW for those who did not know that gun is a M82A1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M82A1

    and can shoot .50 caliber anti aircraft exploding rounds at things and can do some serios dammage at its effective range of 1800M(meters)like they do not shoot people they soot the rocks they are behind, and the rock kills them, when it blows up. search youtube you can find videos(kinda graphic) including the one that the quote references.

  52. marc on May 20th, 2006 at 3:14 pm

    51 Kid,

    Actually it is a .50 cal BMG semi auto that Big and I have our sights set on for “someday”.

    Out to 2000 yards, with the issue scope, and steady support, man sized target kills are reported. Army loves the gun too. Military.com had an article on the gun a while back.

    The troops are using the gun to take out suspected car bombs also.

    Answer to reporters question? Recoil then HOOAH!

  53. marc on May 20th, 2006 at 3:28 pm

    Kid, good post on the AK 47. I do all of my own gunsmithing, so I could relate.

    I bought a .357 Mag lever action Rossi saddle/ranch lever action at a gun show a few years ago for $130. It was brand new, and apparently had never been shot once. The action was locked up, which took only minutes to fix. I did a complete ’smith
    job on it and it’s now one of my favorite guns. Sigh…John Wayne.

  54. Big45Iron on May 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pm

    50, having been associated with many Marine snipers who were friends when I taught field intel at the Scout Sniper school, I can assure you they do miss since the average is 1.7 rounds per kill. You can read several books about Carlos Hathcock where misses are detailed. Sometimes you have to adjust your fire. You should check it out yourself Kid.

  55. Big45Iron on May 20th, 2006 at 4:41 pm

    I think a few of you might be able to spot this geezer in a shooting match we did for Gunny Hathcock’s benefit: http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/Hathcock2.asp

  56. Big45Iron on May 20th, 2006 at 4:43 pm

    Marc #53, I nearly cried when I didn’t find out until my 40’s that my dad had been a Marine Corps armorer!!

  57. GoodJobTim on May 20th, 2006 at 4:50 pm

    Sarge, Big, any thoughts on my #17?

  58. Willie on May 20th, 2006 at 4:52 pm

    I want to know how the political philoposhy of the reporter was determined? Seems as if his/her question could have been asked by almost anyone, regardless of partisan position.
    A small point perhaps, but one that only adds to the divisive tone we Americans find most of our political discourse to be conducted with. We focus on our few differences and ignore the majority of things we share.
    Americans haven’t always conducted ourselves so. It only adds to the “balkanization” of our beloved country.
    People need to grow the F up and quit being so insecure.
    IMHO

  59. Willie on May 20th, 2006 at 4:57 pm

    This makes me feel much safer:

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/20/coastguard.tipoffs/index.html

    Nothing like placing profit over national security, huh?

  60. GoodJobTim on May 20th, 2006 at 5:02 pm

    The Liberals brought on themselves Willie, sorry, but sometimes you gotta call a duck a duck.

    And to consider myself “grown up” to understand their F point of you, I don’t think so.

  61. GoodJobTim on May 20th, 2006 at 5:07 pm

    #59

    Guess I’m just feeling DOTIy today because I just don’t see the problem with this. What, are they going to unload at sea?

  62. Willie on May 20th, 2006 at 5:10 pm

    #61) Your comments make my point. It’s exactly that myopic mindset that has hurt and divided our country. America is always better when we set aside our petty political differences (liberal and conservative) for a common goal. We are probably farther from that ideal than at any time in our nation’s history and all one has to do is open your eyes to see it all around you.
    America will never be brought down by any foreign power or terrorist group, like the Romans we will prove to be our worst enemy and the cause of our own demise.

  63. Willie on May 20th, 2006 at 5:11 pm

    Actually that reply was for #60. My bad.

  64. GoodJobTim on May 20th, 2006 at 5:15 pm

    And speaking of the ports and containers, The Democrats often complain we are not searching each and every one of the millions coming in each week, but it is just logistically impossible to deport 12 million illegals.

  65. GoodJobTim on May 20th, 2006 at 5:18 pm

    #62

    I am watching my party and my president daily try to get along and they get slammed. I am sick of trying to get along.

  66. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 6:01 pm

    Why is it whenever we point out who a Liberal is, what they do, and what they say, we’re being divisive

    We’d only be divsive if most of the people in this country don’t like what Liberals do and what Liberals say.

    OK..now I get the point…..

    Tim;
    On you #17. I do indeed think it was probably the biggest mistake made. It was a decision made by L. Paul Bremer who was the envoy to Iraq and in charge of setting up reconstruction there at the end of major combat operations. However, don’t think this mistake would have been counterproductive had Bremer not taken to making weekly televised addresses to the Iraqi people. This gave the immediate mistaken impression of the US as Colonial Power.

    At the end of WW2, we did not completely disband the German Army…we “de-Nazified” it. We disbanded th SS and the equivalent step in Iraq would have been to disband the Revolutionary Guard, but leaving Regular units intact, particulary the NCO cadre would have contributed to a swifter re-building of a National Security force by and for Iraqis.

  67. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 6:04 pm

    And Willie,

    Don’t you think it was “devisive” of the reporter to ask a Sniper a question like that?

    I certainly do. The man’s job is to kill people. He does not do it gladly or eagerly. Rather, as a soldier, he realizes it is part of the job we have have asked him to do.

    Lastly…only a Liberal would have had the extremely poor taste to ask him how he “feels” about doing his job…and did so with a definet agenda, IMO.

  68. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 6:12 pm

    Willie
    #59

    I am curious, where is the national security issue with this. I am not seeing a problem at all. Actually the decision to notify the boat is expedient for all.

    Where is the boat going to go? If they turn around and leave that brings further suspicion upon em at a later date. If they throw stuff overboard then that is a good thing too. If they have something to hide it won’t be re hidden because the possibility of boarding was already thought of. Sorry I am just not seeing it.

  69. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 6:19 pm

    #68

    Yeah, what are they going to do, hide the stuff in the boat? Wait…they already did that…..

  70. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 6:23 pm

    sargevining

    What does it accomplish to point out who is liberal or not? I have never understood that thinking? So what? You disagree with what they say why is it so important to assign a label?

    And to those that are liberal and Sarge points you out why do you get a case of the reda$$? What ya hiden from?

    And to those that get mislabled so what? What ya lettin someone push your buttons fer?

    All this labeling is bunk. Let’s see since I have been on this forum I have been called

    1. a$$hole (and that was by my wife)
    2. idiot
    3. stupid
    4. republican
    5. librarian
    6. conservative
    7. liberal
    8. socialist
    9. anarchist
    10. democrat
    11. ignorant redneck
    12. hippie

    I could go on but you get the idea. The only thing I hate being called “is late for dinner.”

  71. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 6:30 pm

    Squwak;

    It’s no secret that those who were once proud to wear the title “Liberal” are running away from it like a cat with it’s tail on fire because the people fo this country found out what Liberal philosphy does to the heart and solu of the country. They want to call themselves benign names like “Progressive”..anything but LIBERAL. It is now at the point that now they will say that pointing out who Liberals are is being “divisive.”

  72. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 6:33 pm

    The other thing is, Squwak, that they’ve found out in polling that people won’t vote for Liberals. Even as pissed off as folks are about Republicans, the polling shows that when faced with a chice between a Liberal and a Republican, folks will hold thier noses and vote Republican. In order to get Democrats into office they have to get us to stop using the term Liberal.

  73. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 6:37 pm

    sargevining
    What does it SPRCIFICALLY accomplish to point out who is liberal or not?

  74. headshaker on May 20th, 2006 at 6:37 pm

    #71 sarge - the same could be said about Conservatives soon, so I wouldn’t gloat.

    #70 Squawk - the problem with sarge on the Liberal issue is it’s just black and white to him, there’s no gray area. A conservative could never do something that is a “liberal” act. If something happens that is “non-conservative”, 100% of the time it was done by a liberal. It’s not even debatable. It’s the main reason I don’t agree with him all of the time (but I do most of the time).

  75. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 6:42 pm

    #74

    Actually shakey, right now conservatives are going to have a hard time voting for Republicans. The main reason Bush’s numbers are down so far is because he’s pissed off conservatives. if we were happy, he’d be 20 to 30 points higher in the polls. any victory by the DEmocrats will not be an endorsement of Liberalism..in fact, it will be a REPUDIATION of the Liberalism in the Republican party.

    As to your reply to Squawk, it’ makes no sense at all. Of course a Conservative would never do something a Liberal would do, just like a cat don’t quack.

    #73

    It accomplishes the same thing as sayin:

    “Watch out for that snake,”

  76. headshaker on May 20th, 2006 at 6:44 pm

    #75 sarge

    This is an all-time classic comeback! Touche!

    As to your reply to Squawk, it’ makes no sense at all. Of course a Conservative would never do something a Liberal would do, just like a cat don’t quack.

  77. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 6:46 pm

    What does it SPECIFICALLY accomplish to point out who is liberal or not? I already know their positon.

  78. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 6:47 pm

    #73

    I’d also reply by asking you:

    What does it accomplish to label someone a Democrat? Or a Republican? Or a Socialist? They are all descriptive terms for a poltical philosphy. These labels may or may not have a negative connotation. Liber is one of them that does…and for most Americans. That’s why Liberals don’t even like the erm anymore…but they won’t abandon the philosphy, which is what people really don’t like…Liberal is just a word.

  79. kidwittehtape on May 20th, 2006 at 6:49 pm

    Words of Wisdom:
    Don’t drink and park, accidents cause people.

  80. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 6:52 pm

    Not sure why this is such a big dea, Squawk…

    In most human discourse, it is useful to have descriptive terms that everybody understands.

    Why does the header on this thread say the reporter is a Liberal? It’s useful to use that term so that conservative Reporters don’t get painted with the same brush.

  81. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 6:53 pm

    kidwittehtape
    #79
    Wisdom comes from expirience. Is there something you are not telling us?

  82. kidwittehtape on May 20th, 2006 at 6:54 pm

    81 no.

    just a humourus anticdote(sp?)

    i swear to drunk i am not god.

  83. BSue on May 20th, 2006 at 7:00 pm

    I started to post a list of the dichotomies which make me hard to label, and decided instead to just remind ya’ll what Mama said - “Just cause the cat had kittens in the oven don’t make ‘em biscuits.”

  84. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 7:01 pm

    Sarge

    You said
    It accomplishes the same thing as sayin:

    “Watch out for that snake,”
    ———————————–

    Ya see I gotta take issue with that. I have MANY good and decent liberal friends. I do not agree with their politics but I would never suggest they are snakes. They are very cognizant of my views and never once in the course of all our discussions has there been a need to say anything derogatory about them.

    Nor have I seen it necessary or worth my time to label anyone anything. I just don’t get it. In fact when I see it done I belive it is the intention of the person labeling to cause problems and draw out a negative response, thus removing any chance of a respectful exchange or discussion.

  85. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 7:07 pm

    #84

    OK,

    First the statement was no made to imply that these people are snakes.

    Letting people know that an individual or organization is “liberal” serves as a warning and a descriptor of the philosphy and values that they adhere to so that people can make a judgement as to wether they want to follow them and help them achieve thier philosophical goals.

    I could just as easily have said, I supposed that it serves the same purpose of:

    “Don’t step on the kitty.”

  86. stormy on May 20th, 2006 at 7:07 pm

    Kid, #79.

    Thanks! I needed that. ;-)

  87. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 7:11 pm

    Or,

    Rather than use the word “Liberal” I could say:

    “People who beleive in income redistribution, and enhanced role of government as a means of solving societal problems, gun control, abortion, Socialized Medicine and Environmental Extremism.” everytime I wanted to describe them.

    But I’m not a real good typist, so “Liberal” is just going to have to do…and we know some people don;t like long posts, either.

  88. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 7:16 pm

    But to get back to my original thought in all of this:

    I find it ironic that Democrats are now trying be elected by representing something other than Liberalism by attmepting to take the word out of the discourse, without actually having to give up the philospohy that’s been losing them elctions for the past 10 years (at least). I find it even more ironic that they have to, and I find it ironic that Republicans will los an election because of thier Liberalism.

    Beacuse all of this just goes to show that Liberalism is a loser for whatever party espouses or practices it.

  89. NAT PIERCE on May 20th, 2006 at 7:31 pm

    Progress is the American way.
    _ _ _ Not Progressive Politics

    Progressivism in the United States
    The United States Progressive Party of 1912 wanted …, easier amendment of the Constitution, ,revision of banking to assure an elastic currency,, new inheritance and income taxes,.pacifist Jane Addams , a leading supporter,
    United States Progressive Party of 1924 called for public ownership of railroads , was endorsed by the Socialist Party of America , the American Federation of Labor and many railroad labor groups.
    Phil La Follette..the National Progressive party … April 28, 1938, flanked by banners and armed guardsmen.
    The United States Progressive Party of 1948 ran former Vice President Henry A. Wallace [communist sympathiser]… other supporters American Labor Party (ALP) of New York. The Communist Party USA …..,
    FIRST STOLEN ELECTION - - _ _ _ _ _ please read _ _ _ _ _ _
    On September 11, 1948, the Progressive Party passed a resolution …
    The totally unjustified decisions of the Illinois Electoral Board to rule the Progressive Party off the ballot is a clear violation of the most basic democratic concepts.
    “The decisions rob millions of the free citizens of Illinois of their right to vote for the Party and candidate of their choice. They force the war policies of the old parties down the throats of freedom and peace-loving Americans.
    “Free Americans cannot–and will not–tolerate stolen elections.”

  90. NAT PIERCE on May 20th, 2006 at 7:44 pm

    Liberals/democrats can always depend on its’ voters to forget/never know history. Every time Progressivism has risen to the top the American people have reacted against them.

  91. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 7:45 pm

    Hey Nat..

    I think that was about the time that Progressives began saying it was divise to call them Progressives…they wanted to be called Liberals instead…….

  92. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 7:55 pm

    BTW,,,

    Anybody know what Conservatives called themselves back in 1948?

    They caled themselves Conservatives…..

  93. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 8:01 pm
  94. neocon on May 20th, 2006 at 8:12 pm

    Willie
    #27

    I’ve been out all day and am just reading posts. The jurors on that trial all seemed fair and impartial. The nut cases were stricken during voir dire (except me, of course!) Since I didn’t hear the evidence, I can’t argue the sentence, but it seems fair to me. The range was 5 years probation to 99 years. And since I didn’t hear the punishment phase, I would have to agree with the jurors that it was fair. You really cannot second guess the jurors unless you were there to hear all the testimony. Fair and balanced! Comes from being a Libra!

  95. neocon on May 20th, 2006 at 8:37 pm

    Squawk,

    I tend to agree with Sarge. Label me Conservative. I’m proud of it. So many of my liberal friends (and I have a lot, trust me) cannot stand to be labeled Liberal, even though they are. I’ve asked them the difference between liberal and progressive and they say there is nothing different! It is just the term liberal they cannot stand. I think if it squawks like a duck and walks like a duck it is probably a duck! Why can’t liberals just get over it? You don’t see the conservatives trying to call themselves anythhing different. Wonder why? Liberalism is dying and it is no longer mainstream. Simple.

  96. The Dude on May 20th, 2006 at 8:43 pm

    Thank you for the link, Sarge. For some reason, it says the board is down right now. I’ll try it again in a bit and see if I can get on. “Gun porn”, heh heh.

  97. The Dude on May 20th, 2006 at 8:50 pm

    I don’t mind the label conservative, myself. If I was ashamed of what I am, I might have a problem with it. I don’t even mind being called a “neocon” (you picked a winner name neo) :). “Neo” meaning new, “con” an abbreviation of conservative. Somehow that’s intended to mean we just jumped on the bandwagon, which really isn’t true, but oh well. Look, I was born in 1967, so in relative terms, I guess I am new. That doesn’t mean I’m stupid or incapable of deciding what political outlook fits in line with my own. So call me whatever, but I know what I am and what I’m not.

  98. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 9:00 pm

    Hey all I am a conservative, and I am proud of it. I have a couple of friends who don’t like to be labled that but when I ask them what they stand for they are conservative. The problem comes from the fact that their parents and other family members are liberal and in most cases flaming ones at that.

  99. neocon on May 20th, 2006 at 9:02 pm

    Dude
    #97

    Nicely said! When I chose the name “neocon” I didn’t really understand what it meant. What I understand it means is liberal who is now a conservative, i.e., neo-conservative, i.e., new conservative. That is definitely not me, so I guess we will just have to find a new name for me! Any suggestions. I belive all of you know me as a traditional conservative. Help me out here guys!

  100. neocon on May 20th, 2006 at 9:04 pm

    100? Taking applications for new names for me!

  101. Smacktle on May 20th, 2006 at 9:08 pm

    #70 Squawk

    You call me a crossdresser then act like it’s a joke. My point is you call out names then act like you are an innocent bystander… WTF!

    You say all those things and won’t allow F-bombs,
    I’ve reported you to Benzene and he don’t seem to care, why should I?

    I label you a kiss a$$. Do the jew/white mans bidding then playing yourself off as a dumb ole ex-trucker, what do I know…

    Squawk we all know that Sarge is a plick much like
    Bil Warnes. Why get caught up into the madness? I say more & more f-bombs will be the only thing that will bring us back to insanity.

    This is my last post. Just remember what happens
    when your a headhsaker and I gotta ask, what are you shakin off? What are you trying to hide????

  102. headshaker on May 20th, 2006 at 9:14 pm

    Smackie has been sipping on the yak, yep.

  103. neocon on May 20th, 2006 at 9:14 pm

    Squawk

    I think you have been called out….. Woo hoo! Can’t wait for the fur to fly!

  104. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 9:17 pm

    Well let’s see…
    I am a social conservative
    I am a fisical conservative
    I am a strict constitutionalist
    I am a white hetero male
    I am married with children
    I pay my taxes ( all though grudgingly)
    I believe that government is 2 big
    I know that the private sector can do things better than the government 99.9% of the time
    I believe in the Second Amendment as it stands
    I believe that English should be the offical and only recognized language of all Government in the US
    I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
    I feel that school choice should include private institutions with vouchers/school tax refunds for those that opt out of the public education system.
    I believe that we did land men on the moon.
    I believe that area 51 is real and is hiding something.
    I believe Jesus Christ is the savior and son of God Almighty.
    I believe that when we eliminate the 3 P’s from schools students stop learning.
    I believe that the 3 R’s need to be the primary focus for all educational programs
    I believe that Music, Art, and other subjects including sports teams have a place in the education system, but they are a secondary part that should complete the education process
    I believe that school districts should spend less money on sports and sports venues and more on Teacher pay.
    I believe that the 3 least appreciated jobs in this country are Teacher, Law Enforcement, Firefighter.
    I believe that lawyers shoud have to do at least 200 hours of volunteer work per year to stay as a member of the bar.
    I believe that medical costs would go down if more people resorted to paying cash up front and getting reimbursement from their insurance.
    I believe that auto rates would go down if illegals immigrants were not permitted drivers licenses
    I believe that social security and medicare would be more solvent if not for the immigration problems we have in the country right now
    I believe that 95% of all politicians started out with good intentions and that 95% fell pray to greed and power.

    how do you stand up in comparison to me….

  105. Smacktle on May 20th, 2006 at 9:19 pm

    I don’t think Squawk can match the madness…do you?

  106. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 9:19 pm

    #101-103.. why does it look like a cat fight at a fraternity party is going to come out of this….

  107. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 9:29 pm

    TIVO Alert….

    John Wayne Marathon on Encore westerns next weekend..

  108. The Dude on May 20th, 2006 at 9:29 pm

    Hey Neo,

    How about tracon?

    Smacky can be smacon.

    Smack on… smack off
    Smack on smack off… the smacker

  109. The Dude on May 20th, 2006 at 9:34 pm

    bweldon,

    I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

    OK, that’s it. I ain’t voting for you now. I’m just gonna take my tinfoil hat and go home. Next you’ll be telling me you believe men really did walk on the moon. Well, at least you told us this up front so we don’t have to label you a CTINO after we elect you.

    (CTINO = Conspiracy Theorist In Name Only, in case you were wondering)

    :->

  110. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 9:40 pm

    Very good Dude…. I wanted to see who would pick that one up….

    That is only part of the best speach in any sports movie ever done. Can you for another 50 points name the movie and who says it….

  111. The Dude on May 20th, 2006 at 9:47 pm

    Ahhh crap, I can’t in good conscience take the 50 points. It was Bull Durham, but I had to cheat and look it up. I’ve seen the movie, but I couldn’t remember.

    Another funny bit from that one was Tim Robbins singing:

    “She maybe wooly, young girls they do get wooly”.

  112. The Dude on May 20th, 2006 at 9:47 pm

    BTW BW,

    I’ll still vote fer ya’.

  113. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 9:51 pm

    Dude, Do you remeber the scene when that happens…

    Warning broad language content…

    http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/moviewavs.cgi?Bull_Durham=ibelieve.wav

  114. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 9:52 pm

    Good philosophy when it comes to life as well

    http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/moviewavs.cgi?Bull_Durham=fascist.wav

  115. hamous on May 20th, 2006 at 9:52 pm

    Liberal, conservative, it don’t matter. We’re all Bushido Beeplebots anyway. Slaves working for the master. Think I’ll move to the hill country where everthang is peachy.

    Smack on…smack off
    smack on smack off smack on…the smacker

    Help! I’ve fallen and I can’t smack off!

  116. Big45Iron on May 20th, 2006 at 9:59 pm

    #57 Tim, I think the criticism about disbanding the army is a bunch of bull. I believe we have gone about restructing Iraq’s military is a far superior way than just taking the existing poorly trained cannon fodder who were used to being thugs and trying to make something out of them. Our military did it right.

  117. Big45Iron on May 20th, 2006 at 10:02 pm

    For what it’s worth, I have Carlos Hathcock on tape saying he doesn’t believe there is any way that Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK, after he went and looked at the scene in Feb 1964.

  118. The Dude on May 20th, 2006 at 10:03 pm

    Help! I’ve fallen and I can’t smack off!

    It’s just as well, Hamous. Who wants hair on their palms anyway?

  119. hamous on May 20th, 2006 at 10:04 pm

    What he said (116).

  120. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:05 pm

    #104

    I stand up same as you…I just use shorthand. I call myself a Conservative.

    I use shorthand for the people who are pretty much the opposite of most of that. They are Liberals.

    The differences is that leberals know that when people know that they are Liberasl, adn thus know what they stand for, they don’t vote for them.

    Simple as that

  121. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 10:06 pm

    #120 so you are of the Barbara Bush mind set. What you see is what you get… I know I just love to see liberals run for cover like roaches when the light is turned on…

    (did I actually say that?)

  122. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:07 pm

    And Smacky;

    I’m not a plick. I’m a Plotestant.

  123. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:10 pm

    $121

    Hey…they are the only ones complaining about being called waht they called themselves for years.

    I can’t understand that…why would anybody run away from the lable they gave themselves?

    Oh yeah….it lets people know where they stand politically…that’s why.

  124. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 20th, 2006 at 10:11 pm

    Smackie,
    dont go away mad. Just go away. Just kidding.

    Hey just got back from some Greek Festival on Eldredge. Lot of healthy Greek chicks I might add. Anyway, the food was good,The Greek beer was better than expected,the kids were a pain in the ass and the lines too long. But one thing got my attention.There were a lot of F’n Greeks there. You never hear any problems from the Greeks. They own business,go to school and so on. I never see menus or signs at Home Depot in Greek. No Greek translators in the public schools,no Greeks climbing a fence to cross the border. They seem to blend in but still have their own community. WTF cant the Mexicans do that? Maybe we would give them a free pass if the did. Just my 4 cents.

  125. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:24 pm

    #124

    Gregg;

    I grew up in a Greek neighborhood in NH. Most of them casme over in the early ’60s due to some poltical upheaval in the home country. Many of the parents had been in the Greek Resistance in WW2, whcih was at the root of thier poltical troubles.

    I remember being in the first grade and having the teacher in the class introduce us to the new kid, who had come by boat all the way across the ocean.

    Me and my buddy Mike would hike two miles through the woods (uphill..both ways) to go to his uncle’s house where his grnadma lived and she’d cook baclava for us.

    And then there was Christina Christadoulo…

    I remember the time we drank the Ouzo that Hercules Bantis’ dad made from potato peelings in his basement….don’t remember much after that, though….

  126. Big45Iron on May 20th, 2006 at 10:29 pm

    I thought liberals ran for cover while smoking their roaches?

  127. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 20th, 2006 at 10:32 pm

    Sarge, those Greeks sure know how to throw a party. I guess thats why the college frats all try to act Greek. Anyone cares, that festival is at Eldredge and Enclave Parkway at some Greek church. Great time for the kids.$2 for adults to get in and the food rocks. Rides for the kids. No greasy carnies, just Greeks, Greeks and more Greeks. If I was single I bet I coulda hooked up with some Greek poontang.

  128. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:32 pm

    Trivia time.

    This is what I consider one of the most romantic speeches ever made by a man to a woman on film. Who said it and in what movie?

    “You baked today. I can smell fresh bread on you. Sometime today you cooked with salt pork, smell that on you too. You smell all over like soap, you took a bath. And on top of that, you smell like a woman. I could find you in the dark Mrs. Lowe, and I’m only part Indian.”

  129. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 10:36 pm

    Y’all take me too dang serious. I just love stirring the pot and tweakin Sarge. I get bored reading the same ol stuff so what’s better than to take a shot at Sarge and see what gets stirred.

    As the Prez said

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

    Muhwahahahaha

    It’s good to be Moderator.

  130. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:38 pm

    #127′

    It’s the ouzo Gregg…
    It’s definetly an interesting buzz…kind of half way between Thunderbird and MD 20/20…..

  131. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:39 pm

    #129

    Careful…Sarge shoots back…

  132. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 10:41 pm

    Ah yes Ouzo. Tastes like black licorice and can cause a major freak out with a newbie that does not expect what happens when you mix water with it.

  133. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:44 pm

    Let alone the effects on cognitive thought…..

  134. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:45 pm

    Adn the homemade stuff is a mofo

  135. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 10:47 pm

    Been there and done that too. Homemade Apple Schnapps, gallons of fine German Pils and a couple shhots of Ouzo is a spiritual expirience.

  136. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:48 pm

    nobody wants to take a crack at the trivia question?

    Hint;

    The guy saying it could take Jack Bauers manpurse and stuff it where peoople who carry man purses stuff things

  137. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 10:50 pm

    Scent of a Woman

    Al Pacino

  138. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:50 pm

    #135

    I had one of those spiritual experiences camping in Oklahoma when we tossed some wild mushrooms on the fire…..

  139. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:51 pm

    #137

    waaaaayyyy off

  140. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 10:52 pm

    OOOOO psilocybin much too rough on the abdominal tract.

  141. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 10:53 pm

    #128,

    Is it …. The Train Robbers starring Ann Margaret, and John Wayne?

  142. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 10:53 pm

    Hey I was guessin. I don’t get into romantic speeches and stuff.

  143. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:55 pm

    Bweldon scored 50%

  144. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 10:57 pm

    #140

    Not if you burn it in the campfire…by accident, yeah, that’s it, by ACCIDENT

  145. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 10:57 pm

    Only 50% ok, how is that possible if I gave 3 answers?

  146. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:00 pm

    Well, the question was who said it and in what moive.

  147. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:00 pm

    But if you want, I can lower the score to 33%

  148. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 11:01 pm

    Some John Wayne Trivia…

    Can you name 2 movies he made that carried almost the same story line but the characters were switched, to change the story. I’ll give a hint

    each story had a drunk that sobers up to help Wayne’s character in the end…

  149. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 11:01 pm

    well what was the portion that I got right..

  150. Squawkbox Noise on May 20th, 2006 at 11:02 pm

    I ran with a guy that was a “shroom” head. Last I saw him he was sitting in the corner of a nut house drooling all over the place. No spank you not for me.

  151. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 11:06 pm

    well it was said to Ann Margaret’s character in the movie Train Robbers… I could only guess the character the one played by bobby vinton Ben Young

  152. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:07 pm

    Rio Bravo and Rio LObo…

    And why in the corn bread hell did he ever think anyone would buy Jorge Rivera as a Confederate Officer.

    Another trivia question tie in to this one:

    In Rio Lobo, Jim Mithcum’s son played an ex-confederate named Tyree. In what other Duke movie was there an ex-confederate named Tyree, and who played him?

  153. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:10 pm

    #151

    It was John Wayne as Hondo to Gerladine Page in the movie Hondo.

    It’s this little passage that, IMO, shows that Wayne was truly an actor, and a great one at that.

    Hondo knows that she is married, and he knows that it would be wrong if he expressed any feelings for her. But in this one short soliloquy, deliverd the way hid did, he exposes the depth of the feelings he has for her, and from that moment no, neither of them can deny it. It’s one of my favorite moments in film.

  154. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:12 pm
  155. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 11:12 pm

    Rio Grande.. Ben Johnson played Trooper Tyree

    Actually you are 50% correct on the Rio Bravo Rio Lobo…

  156. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 11:15 pm

    Time to play 6 degrees of Separation who can go from John Wayne to Kevin Costner in 6 steps or less.

  157. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:24 pm

    Kostner was in Open Range with Robert Duvall

    Robert Duvall was in Lonesome Dove.

    Lonesome Dove was orginally written as a screen play starring John Wayne as Woodrow Call.

    Only three degrees.

  158. bweldon on May 20th, 2006 at 11:25 pm

    out of the ordinary but good sarge…

  159. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:27 pm

    #156

    Got to be Rio Bravo and Eldorado then

  160. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:30 pm

    Jimmy Stewart was to play Gus McCrae and Henry Fonda to play Jake Spoon…lord I wish they had made that movie. But back in 1971 it would have been only two hours long. I think the mini-series was a much better treament for such a huge story and such big characters

  161. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:32 pm

    In fact, I think the only weak point in all of Lonesome dove was Robert urich as Jake Spoon

  162. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:41 pm

    OK..

    In what moive DID John Wayne, Henry Fonda, and Jimmy Stewart all appear in?

  163. sargevining on May 20th, 2006 at 11:52 pm

    OK…got to get some sleep.

    I was in “How The West Was Won”

  164. malcolm on May 21st, 2006 at 8:22 am

    Sometimes my jokes fall on deaf ears. Once I sent ten different puns to my friends, with the hope that at least one of the puns would make them laugh. No pun in ten did.

    Have a blessed Sunday all!

  165. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 8:34 am

    #164 HaHaHaHaHa

  166. cameraguy on May 21st, 2006 at 9:17 am

    I just cancelled a 4-day business conference in New Orleans scheduled for June. You want Nagin? You want a chocolate city? You got it.

    Liberalism is only one more generation away from ending the Great American Experiment….

    Can’t find a job, but they have time to shuffle their massive, King Kong-sized butts onto a bus for a free ride back to New Orleans to vote?

    Too bad those weren’t one-way bus rides….

  167. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 9:58 am

    #166.
    You know the old saying. You can fool some of the people all of the time. I watched the fools load the buses here and go for the free ride and lunch.I didnt see any busses for the white people.Guess only the chocolates. I hope the local gov took note to who these people are and they will not be allowed to vote in any Texas election. And all Texas benefits will be terminated for these NO residents.

    Its time for Boss Hog White to step up and pull the welcome mat up and send these folks back to where they came. Great experiment but the next hurricane that hits NO we need to have our cops on I-10 to turn them back.

  168. Willie on May 21st, 2006 at 10:06 am

    sarge:
    Good morning. Back to your conversation about The Duke:

    I love John Wayne. I have three favorites that kinda hit all of his eras:
    Early: Stagecoach
    Middle: The Searchers (THE best western and one of the greatest movies, whatever the genre, ever made)
    Late: True Grit

    At last, we’ve found something we can agree on!
    :-)

  169. Willie on May 21st, 2006 at 10:08 am

    #167) T-Bone:
    The Katrina refugees, at least the majority, are here to stay. They aren’t going back. It’s easier to stay here than to go back and rebuild NOLA.

  170. Willie on May 21st, 2006 at 10:12 am

    The “culture of corruption” is definitely a bi-partisan slopfest:

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/20/jefferson.search/index.html

  171. GoodJobTim on May 21st, 2006 at 11:15 am

    #170

    Well, someone noticed. Thanks for playing fair Willie.

  172. GoodJobTim on May 21st, 2006 at 11:17 am

    #171

    Still gotta get you off that CNN stuff though, very corrupting. heh.

  173. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 11:34 am

    Willie, if thats the case why were they allowed to vote in NO? I guess its the Democrat way. Vote early and often.

  174. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 12:05 pm

    At the risk of bringing up the whole illegal immigration issue again, on a beautiful “peaceful” Sunday afternoon, I was wondering if any of you have heard of Kay Bailey’s proposed SAFE Visa amendment? I first ran across it today, and have posted an article at my blog - it’s way too long for here. While it may go nowhere, at least I now know that our Texas delegation really is trying to get something done for us.

  175. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 12:05 pm

    Willie;

    Would have to agree on Stagecoach. Duke became a star the very moment he stopped thatstage on it;s way to Lordsburg.

    The Searchers is not only one of the Best Duke movies and one of the best Westerns of all times, but it also one of the best movies ever. But when it comes to middle career Duke movies, I can have no favorite. A good day for me would be to watch The Searchers, Red River, Rio Grande, Fort Apache, and She Wore a Yellow Ribbon with just a stop in the middle for lunch.

    True Grit is indeed a good late career flcik, but that would depend on where you define “late as I think The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance edges it out somewhat, if only for the crappy performance given by Glen Campbell in the latter.

    If there is a “last films” category, I’m a big fan of The Cowboys which I think was his last good Western, and of course The Shootist is bittersweet but flawed with too many TV Western guys in it.

    When the Shootist was made everybody knew it was going to be Duke’s last movie and there was a lot of competition of scripts. Apparently the script request included a requirment that it be an “end of the West Western” that included Duke mentoring a young boy. A few years ago I read the novelization of one of them that wish had been chosen instead of that for The Shootist. The main character was a Sergeant in the Cavalry of 1916 and featured Villa’s Columbus raid and the pursuit into Mexico.

  176. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 12:09 pm

    #175 Sarge - you speak blasphemy!
    My best friend and I sat through “True Grit” four complete times in one afternoon, at the Majestic Theatre in Abilene, Tx. SIGH…. it was really hot outside, and we thought Glen Campbell made it really hot inside ;0) When I watched it as an adult, I thought the Duke was much hotter with that black eye patch, and might even agree with you that Glen was pretty lame. But when I was 15 years old, we thought he was the cat’s meow!

  177. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 12:13 pm

    lol Sue;

    Actually, I didn;t think Kim Darby did all that good an acting job either….

    The great thing about True Grit was the dialog. It was, for the most part, authentically 19th Century. If I were to list my top ten five minutes of film, the following would be right at the top:

    “I aim to take you in and see you hang!”

    “Mighty big talk for a one eyed fat man!”

    “Fill your hand, you Sunnuvabitch!”

    You can pretty much have most of the rest of the movie.

  178. malcolm on May 21st, 2006 at 12:18 pm

    Pedro was driving down the street in a sweat because he had an important meeting and couldn’t find a parking place.

    Looking up toward heaven, he said, “Lord, take pity on me. If you find me a parking place I will go to Mass every Sunday for the rest of my life and
    give up tequila.”

    Miraculously, a parking place appeared. Pedro looked up again and said, “Never mind. I found one.”

  179. Willie on May 21st, 2006 at 12:24 pm

    #177) You forgot:
    “A writ for a rat…”, Chin Lee and Gen. Sterling Price, Robert Duvall as “Lucky” Ned Pepper.
    The scene where he has the shootout with Ned’s gang (taking the reins in his mouth) was classic Duke.
    Like I said earlier, I could substitute many of his movies in place of the ones I mentioned and the list would still be as good, if not better!
    You cannot go wrong with the Duke.

  180. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 12:25 pm

    OK - which movies did he die in? I thought for a long time that it was in his contract that his character never die - at least until The Alamo, and The Cowboys… but did learn later that there was at least one movie prior to those where he did.

  181. Willie on May 21st, 2006 at 12:27 pm

    #173) T-Bone:
    Because technically they are still citizens of New Orleans. How long they retain their NOLA residency is anybody’s guess, at some point that will have to end.

  182. Willie on May 21st, 2006 at 12:28 pm

    #170) GJT:
    I try.
    :-)

  183. Willie on May 21st, 2006 at 12:30 pm

    #180) BSue:
    Don’t foget “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance”. The whole premise of the film is built around Jimmy Stewart (Rance Stoddard) returning to bury the Duke.
    He doesn’t die on screen, but I still think that would count.

  184. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 12:32 pm

    You cannot go wrong with the Duke.

    I dunno

    Big Jim McCaline
    McQ
    Brannigan

    Everybody has thier stinkers

    As far as westerns go, tough, the only person around doing anything at all thse days is Keven Costner. Open Range might be one of the top 10 or 20 Westersn of all time, IMO.

    My pick for top movie western gunfights of all time:

    1. Rooster Cogburn in the meadow.

    2. The last 10 Minutes of Open Range

    3. The last 10 Minutes of The Sacketts

  185. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 12:34 pm

    Duke also died in Sands of Iwo Jima

  186. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 12:34 pm

    And in The Cowboys

  187. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 12:36 pm

    and I have to stop misspelling “blocygoute”

  188. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pm

    Top 10 Best Westerns, PERIOD:

    The Searchers
    Red River
    Lonesome Dove
    The Sacketts
    She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
    Fort Apache
    Rio Grande
    Open Range
    Rio Bravo
    Winchester ‘73 (the original)

  189. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 12:44 pm

    According to “expert” Mel Priddle, the answer is:

    John Wayne died in 8 films for definite, and a further two, depending on how you want to look at it.

    “Central Airport”
    “Reap the Wild Wind”
    “The Fighting Seabees”
    “Wake of the Red Witch”
    “The Sands of Iwo Jima”
    “The Alamo”
    “The Cowboys”
    “The Shootist”

    He was already dead at the start of “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance”, and most of the film is a flashback to when he was alive. It is just stated that he died, but there is no actual death scene.

    In “The Sea Chase” it is left to the audience to decide whether or not he died. The romantic among us like to think that he and Lana Turner were able to escape from the sinking ship at the end of the film, but it is not made clear.

  190. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 12:45 pm

    #187 Sarge
    Would that be BLOCKQUOTE? I just don’t understand why your computer can’t figure that one out ;0)

  191. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 12:46 pm

    Wake of the REd Withc is one of my favorite non-Western, non-military Duke films. It’s a pity it doesn;t dome on TV more often.

  192. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 12:49 pm

    Sue;

    Take a look at #191 and see what my computer has to contend with when I get to typing fast…..

  193. Squawkbox Noise on May 21st, 2006 at 12:55 pm

    Sarge

    If Bart Simpson can spell blockquote correctly so can you. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE

  194. Squawkbox Noise on May 21st, 2006 at 1:01 pm

    Top 10 Best Westerns, PERIOD:

    Where is Brokeback Mountain? Didn’t the media say it was one of the best all time Western movies ever made? C’mon Sarge getr with the program.

  195. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 1:02 pm
  196. hamous on May 21st, 2006 at 1:08 pm

    And how can you leave out Blazing Saddles?

  197. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 1:09 pm

    #196 Hamous
    I didn’t know that John Wayne was in Blazing Saddles

  198. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 1:10 pm

    #194

    Well, it was one of those movies where the cobopy gets it in the end….

    Besides, they were sheep farmers, not cowboys. The only good western with a sheep herder as hero was The Sheepman with Glenn Ford…and he was a sheepherder just to piss people off

  199. hamous on May 21st, 2006 at 1:11 pm

    #197 - I was speaking to #188’s top ten best westerns period.

  200. Squawkbox Noise on May 21st, 2006 at 1:12 pm

    cobopy? What the hell is a cobopy?

  201. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 1:12 pm

    Ahhhhhh - I didn’t think the Duke was in the bean scene.

  202. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 1:13 pm

    Blazing Saddles was a comedy, not a western per se.

    but if you want to rank Western Comedies, Blazing Saddles is on top, followed by The Hallelujah Trail and McClintock

  203. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 1:13 pm

    Rolllllll that beautiful bean footage

  204. hamous on May 21st, 2006 at 1:13 pm

    I love me some John Wayne movies but here’s one I had a hard time sitting through.

  205. Squawkbox Noise on May 21st, 2006 at 1:13 pm
  206. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 1:14 pm

    Sarge, cant believe you left out Brokeback Mountain! Can you imagine the Duke and Robert Mitchum as sheep hearding butt pirates?

  207. hamous on May 21st, 2006 at 1:14 pm

    #202 - I was just being a smartass.

  208. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 1:14 pm

    OOps…fergot to put Texas Across The River in the western comedy list

  209. hamous on May 21st, 2006 at 1:15 pm

    Sheep herding rump rangers.

  210. Squawkbox Noise on May 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pm

    Brokebacks be Butt Rangers. Not Butt Pirates.

  211. hamous on May 21st, 2006 at 1:20 pm

    Douglas Fairbanks and Tyrone Power would be the Butt Pirates.

  212. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 1:27 pm

    Hammie;

    Pretty much everything Duke did after The Alamo was spotty at best. He tried to emulate his mentor, John Ford, by establishing a “stock company” of actors and crew (Batjac Productions) and he was cranking out movies pretty much as a revenue source rather than as “art.”

    Of those after The Alamo onthe The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence (directed by Ford), The Sons of Katie Elder, McClintock, True Grit (grudginly), Big Jake, and The Cowboys are movies I would fight my wife for the remote over. All of his stinkers were from this period, with the exception of The Conqueror.

    Evenso, I spent my allowance for a ticket, bus ride, and popcorn every time Duke put out a movie from El Dorado to The Cowboys.

  213. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 1:31 pm

    Speaking of fighting the wife for the remote, how do you (guys) answer this when your wife says it:

    “You’ve seen that movie a milion times, I don’t know why you watch it.”

  214. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 1:40 pm

    sarge, you say,”I’ve slept with you a million times and I still talk to you.”

  215. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 1:43 pm

    rotflmfao

  216. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 1:57 pm

    Gregg
    #23

    Yes, I did get your email via my home computer - I’m off 1/2 day on Friday, so I didn’t respond from the office. I’ll talk to you on Monday.

  217. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 2:32 pm

    Apropos of the conversation yesterday, my favorite Conservative Intellectual, George Will, has some interesting comments here:

    http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=George+Will%3a+A+liberal+who+loves+America&articleId=20979ff2-96a5-4151-b20c-b1201ca9ecf8

    But while excoriating the Bush administration for perhaps “creating exactly the condition the conservatives have long feared: An America without the will to fight,” Beinart’s most important contribution is to confront the doughface liberals who rejoice about the weakening of that will. Reading liberals who seem to think they “have no enemies more threatening, or more illiberal, than George W. Bush,” Beinart worries that Deaniac liberals are taking over the Democratic Party much as McGovernite liberals did after 1968. He discerns the “patronizing quality” of many liberals’ support for John Kerry in 2004: They “weren’t supporting Kerry because he had served in Vietnam. They were supporting him because they believed other, more hawkish, voters would support him because he had served in Vietnam.”

    Beinart worries that “the elections of 2006 and 2008 could resemble the elections of 1974 and 1976, when foreign policy exhaustion, and Republican scandal, propelled Democrats to big gains.” If so, those gains will be “a false dawn.” The country will eventually turn right because, “whatever its failings, the right at least knows that America’s enemies need to be fought.”

  218. marc on May 21st, 2006 at 3:00 pm

    217-Sarge George Will is one of my favoites also.

  219. kidwittehtape on May 21st, 2006 at 3:53 pm

    little bit ‘o’ live journey for ya:

    so don’t stop believin’

  220. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 4:25 pm

    Why is it that cartoon characters always look better with 4 digits on their hands? When they have all five it looks weird. Hmmm.

    Why was Smackie in such a bad mood last night? Did he run out of pads?

  221. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 4:33 pm

    I know…Smackie made a divisive comment about me last nite. I’m hurt and confused….I thought we had something……

  222. kidwittehtape on May 21st, 2006 at 4:37 pm

    220 no i think he ran out of town.

  223. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 4:46 pm

    More gun porn:
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/Misc/may060701copy.jpg

    I think he’s leading too much, though

  224. GoodJobTim on May 21st, 2006 at 4:48 pm

    #217

    “They weren’t supporting Kerry because he had served in Vietnam. They were supporting him because they believed other, more hawkish, voters would support him because he had served in Vietnam.”

    ROTFLOL, that is beautiful!

  225. GoodJobTim on May 21st, 2006 at 4:49 pm

    I AM JOHN KERRY AND I SERVED IN VIETNAM

  226. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 4:51 pm

    #225 And eye did knot shoot myself in the ahhhhhs to get my requisite numbah of puple hots to get to come hoooooome

  227. GoodJobTim on May 21st, 2006 at 4:55 pm

    #220
    Greg

    Especially if the 5th digit is not their’s.

  228. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 4:56 pm

    Tim;

    The ironic thing there is that Will is quoting a Liberal author.

    A further irony is that this Liberal author said more eloquently something I’ve been sayiing for a long while now.

  229. GoodJobTim on May 21st, 2006 at 4:56 pm

    hoooooome, now thats funny!

  230. GoodJobTim on May 21st, 2006 at 5:00 pm

    #228

    Yep, the far left (is there another) is getting ansy and ready to explode. I say lets get it, lefty -vs- righty, c’mon.

  231. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 5:01 pm

    Kerry’s use of his “veteranship” was an exposure of the cynical attitude that Liberals have towards National Defense and the military.

    It also exposes thier willingness to use ANYTHING other than thier poltical philosphy in order to win elections…or perhaps it is an admission that they know they will lose if they base thier candidacy on thier philosophy.

    I think Will’s article supports my estimate that any victories by the Dems in the short term will be short lived, and that Liberals will cleave from thier party faster than Conservatives from the Republicans.

    Unless, of course, Democrats learned a lesson in 1994 that the Pubbies didn’t.

  232. SC on May 21st, 2006 at 5:19 pm

    My fear is the damage the Dems can do if they get too much power even for a short time. How do you unamnesty 12Mil Ilegals.

  233. GoodJobTim on May 21st, 2006 at 5:26 pm

    #232

    Have no fear SC, the Republicans are about to beat ‘em to it.

    ‘06 and ‘08 Republican slogans, “why change horses in midstream Democrats, we are here for yeh”

  234. SC on May 21st, 2006 at 5:27 pm

    Actually my real fear is what the pubbies might do.

  235. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 5:28 pm

    The pubbies need to keep the (”Peoples”) house intact. The senate needs a complete overhaul. Time will tell in ‘08 on how the Republicans handle immigration and other things between now and then. I’ll be surprised if anything is passed or done this election year. Just my 2 cents.

  236. SC on May 21st, 2006 at 5:28 pm

    Yeah, we are thinking alike

  237. SC on May 21st, 2006 at 5:29 pm

    That goes for #233 & 235

  238. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 5:29 pm

    I’ll repeat this in case nobody saw my earlier post - check out Kay Bailey Hutchinson’s Safe Visa amendment. There’s a link in #174

  239. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 5:32 pm

    BSue
    #238

    I checked out that link earlier but didn’t want to wake anyone up from their naps this afternoon to discuss it! Looked like about 1 comment every thirty minutes to an hour! ZZZZZZzzzz

  240. kidwittehtape on May 21st, 2006 at 5:35 pm

    oz noz

  241. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 5:36 pm

    kid
    240

    oz noz, I like that!

  242. hamous on May 21st, 2006 at 5:37 pm

    #220 - “Why was Smackie in such a bad mood last night?”

    Gregg, Smacktle only has four digits on his hands.

  243. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 5:38 pm

    Neo,
    I understand. We finally got some shrubs planted (that have been languising in pots for …. more years than I would want to admit. Then turned on the AC and have been messing with this thing ever since. Found lots of strange things on line today.

  244. SC on May 21st, 2006 at 5:40 pm

    #238 That almost sounds workable.

  245. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 5:41 pm

    #244 - yep - that’s probably a death sentence right there. It makes too much sense. That combined with locking down the borders would be a good start.

  246. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 5:48 pm

    There is one question no one has asked about any of immigration plans. What if the illegals refuse to register,enroll,get cards,go home,get insurance,pay for their own med care and so on? When they get stopped will they be deported? Put in jail? Everything I read is based on these law breakers suddenly obeying some new law?

    There is a way to get half of them back home. Funny, its the same solution to the Katrina refugee problem. Stop the free stuff and they will leave.

  247. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 5:53 pm

    #246 Gregg
    You have a very valid point there. However, anything is better than Lamar Alexander’s idea of giving them each a $500 voucher to learn to speak English.

  248. GoodJobTim on May 21st, 2006 at 5:54 pm

    #245
    BSue

    I forgot to go back and read that earlier, that looks good, until we get to McHagel, McLindsay ammendmants which would read:

    1)-unless they don’t want to leave

    2)-unless extinuating circumstances prevent it

    3)-unless they can’t afford it

    4)-et. al.

    5)-et. al.

    6)-et. al.

  249. GoodJobTim on May 21st, 2006 at 5:57 pm

    The House has got to stand strong on this, and I believe they will.

  250. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 5:57 pm

    BSue,
    same question. What if they did get the $500 and still couldnt speak English? Would they get another $500? How come nobody is even asking these questions?

  251. malcolm on May 21st, 2006 at 6:20 pm

    Here’s a 50 cent question:
    Why is it why you go to buy some camouflage pants You can’t find any.

    Two hydrogen atoms meet. One says “I’ve lost my electron.” The other says, “Are you sure?”
    The first replies “Yes, I’m positive.”

    Insert drum rool here and I’ll “see” you guys tomorrow. God Lord a willin’! Have a great evening.

  252. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 6:21 pm

    So far as I can guess, the main reason that nobody is asking is that there are so many amendments that have been proposed, and so much noise from the BIG kahunas, that the other amendments are pretty close to a secret. I had to do a lot of looking to find the skinny on the Hutchinson plan - just looking in the normal places I found such helpful things as “text of the document to be shared when debate begins” or something very close to that. I felt like I was trying to look under a Scot’s kilt or barge in on a fraternity initiation.
    The usual suspects are the only ones getting any airtime for their proposals and Lindsey sounded so much like a Chatty Cathy doll this morning on Meet the Depressed that I couldn’t stand it - pull the string and he’ll say whatever is programmed.

  253. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 6:31 pm

    Condi Rice & Cream
    Cool!

  254. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 6:37 pm

    And the other question that begs asking is why the “cornbread hell” were Russert’s “experts” on illegal immigration, and how it should be cured, Lindsey Graham (R-SC)and Charlie Norwood (R-GA)? Why not actually get someone from border states (oh - yeah… I guess that would’ve had to be McCain)? It would be refreshing to see/hear some of the other folks’ ideas instead of the same old dreck.

  255. FourAlarm on May 21st, 2006 at 6:52 pm

    Louisiana congressman falls for the Nigerian email money scam (sort of).

  256. phil on May 21st, 2006 at 7:07 pm

    South Carolina needs to wise up and vote that pussyfooting Lindsey Wagner Graham cracked cracker out of office.

    These guys went to college? Do any of them know history or do they just eat their heaping bowl of Stoop Loops everyday and stick their finger in the wind after they remove it from their where their brains are located.

  257. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 7:15 pm

    All these pols see is Mexicans,Mexicans and more Mexicans who want voter cards. The one who ropes in the most Mexicans wins.

    I read where 10% of Mexico’s citizens live in the USA. And they send home $20 Billion with a B. If that money train stops Mexico collapses. That’s why they send em and why we take em.

    Ever heard of the Gynecologist Story teller? He was good at spreading old wives tails.

  258. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 7:16 pm

    Lindsey is always cleared through McCain before coming out.

  259. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 7:18 pm

    Why is everybody so concerned about the Poles.
    They should be concerned about America.

  260. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 7:29 pm

    And what’s all this about there not being any flea erections in China? Isn’t that unfair to all the Chinese fleas?

    Time to get ready for the sopranos. I swear they need to kill Vito soon…I’m getting tired of Brokeback Goomba…

    talk later

  261. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 7:31 pm

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that…..

  262. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 7:37 pm

    Hey Sarge, you must feel bad about Smackie. Just take a long warm bubble bath and you will feel clean again. When he says he’ll call you he is just lying. That smack bastard!

    Just move on. Online love is like a bus. Another one will come shortly. Its his loss anyway. When the big one hits and he comes to your shelter just turn him away. It will come back to haunt him, trust me. Do you still shave your back and nipples? He said camo is your favorite color.

  263. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 7:48 pm

    BSue
    #252

    Senator Hutchison has sponsored a lot of good bills, especially on immigration reform. However, she does not have the intestional fortitude to push them through or come up with enough sponsors. She simply writes legislation and if no one likes it, well so what? At least she can tell her constituants that she sponsored a bill to blah, blah blah, but unfortunately, it did not make it out of committee or onto the floor. Thus, it is not her fault and we need to send her back to the Senate to work hard for us! What a lot of Oscar Meyer!

    The bill is a good start, but don’t see her pushing it. It is all for show with her. She is just too freakin’ comfortable since she has been reelected time and time again.

    If this bill does see the light of day, I will be surprised.

  264. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 7:51 pm

    gregg

    I see you are on a roll again - sliding ever backward! :) Do men really shave their nipples? No forget it, I don’t want to know!

  265. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 7:54 pm

    WOW! Gas prices down nearly 2 cents! HOLY COW! I’m celebrating!

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196391,00.html

  266. Willie on May 21st, 2006 at 7:55 pm

    #188)sarge: How can you omit “Shane”, “High Plains Drifter”, or “The Gunfighter”?

  267. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 8:01 pm

    BSue
    #243

    Does Mr. BSue know about the strange things you found online today? ;)

  268. Willie on May 21st, 2006 at 8:04 pm
  269. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 8:08 pm

    Neo - yep… he helped me get them onto my blog. Did ya know that there were a couple of Saudi dudes that jumped on a school bus in FL Friday… one wearing a black trench-coat, in Tampa in May???

  270. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 8:17 pm

    Hey, Neocon. How bout this name change for you.Toonces!

  271. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 8:26 pm

    Good news! Grass roots do work! Sorry for the long post, but hopefully since were are no busy, Squawk will give me a “get out of the dog house free card.” I tried to cut and past the link (NY Times) but it wouldn’t let me.

    May 18, 2006 G.O.P. Conservatives Topple Veteran State Lawmakers in
    Pennsylvania By JASON DePARLE

    WASHINGTON, May 17 - A revolt among Pennsylvania conservatives gained
    national attention on Wednesday after challengers toppled at least 12 state
    lawmakers they deemed insufficiently committed to small government and fiscal restraint.

    Among those losing their positions in a Republican primary on Tuesday were the two State Senate leaders, Robert C. Jubelirer and David J. Brightbill, who had 56 years of incumbency between them and vastly outspent their upstart rivals.

    Facing a tire salesman with little political experience, Mr. Brightbill, the majority leader, outspent his opponent nearly 20 to 1 and still captured just 37 percent of the vote. “My campaign has always been about making Republicans Republican again,” the winner, Mike Folmer of Lebanon, said. “Republicans have controlled the
    Legislature here since 1995, but the size, the scope and even the ineffectiveness of our government has continued to grow.”

    The results drew cheers from conservatives nationally, many of whom voice similar criticisms of Republican incumbents in Washington and have
    threatened their own revolts. The Fiscal Restraint Coalition, a network of organizations calling for
    smaller government, sent out an e-mail message saying the election showed “that the fiscal restraint message is a winner.”

    Captain’s Quarters, a conservative blog, said the election would “serve notice on the G.O.P. that it cannot take conservative votes for granted.”

    But others, while celebrating the results, saw danger for the party. “It shows a very worrisome, elevated level of anger and frustration on the
    part of Republicans,” said Pat Toomey, president of the Club for Growth, wich supports low taxes and small government. “In a primary, they can vent
    that by voting for challengers. The problem is, in a general election they stay home. It’s a very worrisome sign for Republicans in Washington.”

    In Pennsylvania, the incumbents’ fall was extraordinary. No Senate leader had lost a primary challenge since 1964. “And we took out two last night,” said Matthew J. Brouillette, president of
    the Commonwealth Foundation, a conservative group in Harrisburg.

    Pennsylvania conservatives had long accused the Republican leaders of the Legislature of being too quick to go along with Gov. Edward G. Rendell, a
    Democrat. In two of the last three state budgets, Mr. Brouillette said, the Legislature approved more spending than Mr. Rendell had requested.

    The smoldering anger among Pennsylvania conservatives caught fire last summer when the Republican-controlled Legislature approved pay increases of up to 54 percent for elected officials in all three branches of government.

    “That was the Alamo,” Mr. Folmer said. After an outpouring of criticism, the
    lawmakers rescinded the increase, but they could not rescind the anger.

    In some races, the groundwork for a primary challenge had been laid. John Eichelberger, who defeated Mr. Jubelirer, the Senate president pro tempore, had been contemplating the race even before the increase in pay. In doing so, Mr. Eichelberger said, he had the support of several wealthy Pennsylvanians, including Bob Guzzardi, a member of the Club for Growth who commissioned a poll of the district in the Altoona region by Kellyanne Conway, a pollster here. After entering the race, Mr. Eichelberger received an endorsement from Mr. Toomey, who also helped him raise money. Mr. Toomey, a former congressman, is prominent among Pennsylvania conservatives for having nearly beat a moderate Republican, Arlen Specter, in a United States Senate primary in 2004.

    Mr. Eichelberger, along with three other conservative challengers, created a campaign document, “Promise to Pennsylvania,” modeled after the “Contract With America” that the Republicans used in 1994 to capture Congress. It called for stricter regulation of lobbyists, term limits, tort reform and the vote of three-fifths of the Legislature before raising taxes. Three of
    the four signers won. The fourth is clinging to a narrow lead.

    “People are just tired of Republicans who don’t represent the bedrock conservative values of the party,” Mr. Eichelberger said. “They’re Republican in name only. If you’re going to be a Republican, be a Republican.” Mr. Eichelberger noted that Mr. Jubelirer raised $1.3 million and had the support of the state’s Republican Party.

    Neither Mr. Jubelirer nor Mr. Brightbill returned telephone calls on Wednesday. The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review quoted Mr. Jubelirer as saying the
    election was “a dramatic earthquake.”

    At least 11 other Republican incumbents lost, and several elections were too close to call.

    In a House contest, State Representative Thomas L. Stevenson of Pittsburgh was defeated by Mark Harris, a 21-year-old student.

    /snip

  272. hamous on May 21st, 2006 at 8:29 pm

    Toonces….I like it, I like it!

  273. kidwittehtape on May 21st, 2006 at 8:30 pm

    post 219 is still there ready to be listened to a song a day as i promised

  274. BSue on May 21st, 2006 at 8:34 pm

    #273 Kid, I didn’t know Journey recorded Wampa Wampa Woo…. they must sound different live.

  275. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 8:37 pm

    BSue
    #269

    Yeah, I read that. Seems he had on shorts AND a trench coat in a Florida summer! Their stories were very flimsey and the judge was absolutely correct in holding them without bond until their stories checked out.

    For those who may have missed it, here’s the link:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196376,00.html

    At least Fox lets you copy and paste links!

  276. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 8:40 pm

    Neo, whatdayathink? Toonces? Lets vote.

  277. The Dude on May 21st, 2006 at 8:41 pm

    Kid,

    You gotta watch the squawking moderator ’round these here parts. He’ll getcha. Believe me, I know. My last one became a chihuahua in a bikini. At least we know he’s got a sense of humor, though.

    :->

    Nitol.

  278. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 8:45 pm

    Gregg

    Toonces? I don’t think so. I don’t even like cats! (sorry Daniel James).

    I need a strong, respectable name so folks who don’t know me won’t think I’m a girly-girl! Cats indeed!

  279. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 8:50 pm

    kid
    #273

    I listened to it while everyone was asleep today here at LST. Turned my speakers down too!

  280. gregg aka"T-Bone" on May 21st, 2006 at 9:05 pm

    Noe, Ok how bout Rosey the Riveter!

  281. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 9:08 pm

    Sorry, Gregg - I would really prefer a gender neutral name. I found out that guys like to verbally beat up on girls (especially blondes)! That is why no one new “Neocon” was a girl!

    Besides, I don’t know how to “rivet”! ;)

  282. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 9:08 pm

    my 281

    “no one KNEW” sheesh! Spell Check is your Friend!

  283. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 9:15 pm

    #266

    My deepest apologies. Shane belongs at the top of the list. It is without question the standard by which all other Westerns should be judged. I can only plead to being on a Duke roll at the time.
    One of the reasons I like Open Range is that it has the sema authentic feel as Shane does.

    Back in the days of my yoot, I had the rare pleasure of seeing Sahne on the big screen. There was a small theater in my old neighborhood, one of those left over from the nickle a movie days. Somebody had bought it and tried to make a go of it showing old movies, so I got to see it in the venue for which it was intended.

    I’ll pass on High Plains Drifter (reluctantly) and The Gunfighter in favor of High Noon and The Wild Bunch.

    Looks like it’s going to be a top 15 instead of a top 10.

  284. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 9:22 pm

    Gregg;

    Stopped shaving my back when I found out there’s no hair there. I guess it was just a fetish of Smackies. The whole nipple thing just got too weird right from the start. Myabe it’s because I could see the shaving going on.

  285. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 9:25 pm

    Sarge
    #284

    Eeeeewwwww!

  286. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 9:28 pm

    271

    neocon

    Word count: primary - 5

  287. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 9:32 pm

    Nat
    #286

    I know, I know! I had just gotten that as an email from Dan Patrick. Found the story at NY Times, but it wouldn’t let me copy and paste.

    You know I don’t do long posts - check my record. But I was just so excited by this I had to share with my “brothers”! Mea culpa!

  288. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 9:33 pm

    Hey neo, don;t blame me.

    It’s Smackie making the discourse so divisive. It’s ruining the country I tell ya

  289. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 9:34 pm

    Shane: So you’re Jack Wilson.
    Jack Wilson: What’s that mean to you, Shane?
    Shane: I’ve heard about you.
    Jack Wilson: What have you heard, Shane?
    Shane: I’ve heard that you’re a low-down Yankee liar.
    Jack Wilson: Prove it.

  290. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 9:36 pm

    Sarge
    #288

    Smacktle has been on my case a few times, but I just ignore him - he’s harmless! ;)

    Actually, he’s a good guy, just looking for love in all the wrong places!

  291. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 9:40 pm

    Actually, he’s a good guy, just looking for love in all the wrong places!

    Yeah…I had to warn him about that a couple time during the back shaving.

  292. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 9:41 pm

    Just reread my #290

    What I meant was the Sarge/Smacktle thing! Oh, crap! I’ll never live this one down!

  293. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 9:45 pm

    287

    neocon

    It wasn’t a jibe at your post. Long posts are good if they are worthwhile. I was tagging one of my pet arguements: ‘Get them in the primary’.

  294. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 9:46 pm

    He toyed with me, then threw me away like last week’s pasta fazool. It was so damned divisive!

    At least the dog still loves me. At least I think she’s fogiven me for letting Samcky shave her back too…but we don’t want to go there either…..

  295. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 9:51 pm

    Nat;

    Primaries are all well and good, and this last one here in TX did accompkish something. BUT, between the after the primary and before the election is NOT the time to tell the Conservative base to shove it (or to let smacky shave their backs). This was a BIG error on thier part. They should have seen the signs, especially here in Harris, Fort Bend, and Galveston counties. This whole “Tax during the Lame Duck Session” is the kind of smoke filled back room poltics that sucks dead birds and if somebody has to learn a very expensive lesson in order for it to stick, then so be it.

  296. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 9:53 pm

    Nat
    #293

    Sorry I misunderstood! Thanks! You are absolutely right! The primaries are the place to throw out the RINOs. I got another email from Dan. Seems it will be happening in Texas also. Grinning ear to ear! ;)

  297. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 10:02 pm

    http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5no.htm

    Interesting given George Will’s column about the Liberal author who criticizes Deaniacs and the current path of the DNC..Not really good news for those Dems crowing about winning elections hand over fisdt in November, too.

  298. hamous on May 21st, 2006 at 10:02 pm

    Just for the record, Smackie has never shaved my or my dog’s back.

  299. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 10:03 pm

    Note how hammie leaves out the whole nipple thing…….

  300. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 10:05 pm

    Sarge
    #295

    I agree with you. We still have the general elections to look forward to. It is not the time to tell the “conservative base to ’shove it’.” I have faith in the “base.” Just look what happened in Pennsylania, of all states! That is just huge! I do not advocate throwing all “incumbants” out. I want to look at their voting record and how they voted on the new income tax for businesses. Then, I will make a determination. That’s state politics. On national politics, I have a different view, as stated above. The Republicans need to maintain the “Peoples” House but we need to clean up the Senate. Be very careful when voting “no incumbants.”

  301. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 10:08 pm

    Sucking dead birds hmmmm….

    Instead mailing that teabag maybe…?

  302. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 10:08 pm

    Yup, Neo…the Pubbie house is holding the line, especially on immigration. The Senate is another thing…what’s needed there is a couple more good Pubbies to take the Yankee RINOs and out them in the woodshed.

  303. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 10:12 pm

    OK send them a message. Voting for Kinky will work because he will be so hot everybody will stop.
    What about Dewlip and other rhinos.

    Voting dehmi scares the shelack out of me.
    Is there an alternative to voting de demo en?

  304. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 10:15 pm

    The woodshed, that’s where McCain & Graham banged out their agreement.

  305. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 10:18 pm

    Nat
    #303

    See my 300!

    Woo hoo! I made 300 and didn’t even notice. I am that intense! ;)

  306. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 10:28 pm

    Nat;

    Kinky or Gramm would be the same. The gov position is largely a figurehead anyway…the perfect place to send a message, BTW.

    the way to handle Dewlip is just don’t vote for him. He’ll win, but he’ll get a message too, especially if his partner in crime goes bye bye.

    The woodshed, that’s where McCain & Graham banged out their agreement.

    Is THAT where Smacktle is? He packed up his shaving gear and left in quite a hurry. Figures he’d be in a woodshed where there’s banging going on.

  307. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 10:32 pm

    Wouldn’t surprise me.

  308. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 10:45 pm

    I do not advocate throwing all incumbants out — just those who have prove that they are RINOs. As far as state elections, throw ‘em all out! But national elections are different. What they do affacts our lives for years and years, including immigration. Be bery bery carsul!

  309. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 10:48 pm

    Agrrrhhh

    “Those who have proven…”

    “What they do affects…..

  310. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 10:49 pm

    Argh! Time to call it a night! “Sweet dreams are made of these…” Never mind!

  311. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 10:50 pm

    306
    “the way to handle Dewlip is just don’t vote for him.”

    An EN MASS PROTEST - Is better

    Write in voting has been rigged so that the preceeding write in will not be known to the next voter - HOWEVER - A mass protest vote in the hundreds from an area like Houston or spread all over Texas may attract the attention of some wiley reporter or two.

    _ _ _ _ _ _ WRITE IN SARGE VINING _ _ _ _ _

  312. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 10:51 pm

    WRITE IN

    _ _ _ _ _ MAJOR NEOCON

  313. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 10:55 pm

    If every LST’er and everyone they knew, who did not want Dewlip, voted for the same person and it was reported that would be a double major message.

  314. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 10:58 pm

    If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve.

    You can catch something bad if you get electerd…I’ve seen it happen. Perfectly normal people turn into RINOs….

  315. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 11:03 pm

    Nat
    #313

    I agree. Let’s decide on a candidate! I think Sarge or Big45Iron would be perfect! Except that I worry about Sarge on the immigration issue…..

  316. neocon on May 21st, 2006 at 11:05 pm

    Okay, guys, nighty night!

  317. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 11:16 pm

    1st nominee: Major Neocon
    2nd nominee: Sarge Vining
    3rd nominee: Big45 Iron

    Do we have a quorum?
    Have all nominees been entered?

  318. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 11:25 pm

    #315

    Neo;

    You know my problem with the “immigration issue” has always been the rhetoric involved, which I think is really aimed at another goal entirely, and not the issue

    My stance on the use of the m ilitary has largely been misunderstood, but I think folks are beginning to see now why I’ve always thought they would be largely ineffective. Posse Comitatus gets in the way, and the last time they sent armed soldiers to the border to work on the problem, they shot a citizen. Happened just like it did at Ruby Ridge and Waco. I’m not a big fan of the US Military shooting citizens, not since that whole Civil War thing anyway.

    Pass the Sensenbrenner Bill;
    Get rid of the nanny state;
    and then you’ll have the problem largely solved.

  319. sargevining on May 21st, 2006 at 11:27 pm

    I say again:

    If nominated, I will not run. If elected I will not serve.

    But hey, Big ain’t here…you should always elect the guy who doesn’t make it to the meeting, right?

  320. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 11:39 pm

    I have just received an important fax from political adviser
    China Grove, she says the write in candidate should proceed slowly during the summer increasing pace and intensity in October and make most push and intensity just before the election.

    Timing is everything and peaking too soon would blow it for the candidate.

  321. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 11:44 pm

    sarge,

    Your name is roaring through the blog sphere right now.
    You could use the time this summer to hone you acceptance speach.

  322. NAT PIERCE on May 21st, 2006 at 11:46 pm

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