Debunking the “progressive” pose
by David Benzion · 09/12/2006 6:37 amJames B. Meigs, writing in the New York Post:
On Feb. 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/New World Order/Illuminati conspiracy for world domination. That day, Popular Mechanics, the magazine I edit, hit newsstands with a story debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories. Within hours, the online community of 9/11 conspiracy buffs - which calls itself the “9/11 Truth Movement” - was aflame with wild fantasies about me, my staff and the article we had published. Conspiracy Web sites labeled Popular Mechanics a “CIA front organization” and compared us to Nazis and war criminals.
For a 104-year-old magazine about science, technology, home improvement and car maintenance, this was pretty extreme stuff. What had we done to provoke such outrage?
Research.
Conspiracy theories alleging that 9/11 was a U.S. government operation are rapidly infiltrating the mainstream. These notions are advanced by hundreds of books, over a million Web pages and even in some college classrooms. The movie “Loose Change,” a slick roundup of popular conspiracy claims, has become an Internet sensation.
Worse, these fantasies are gaining influence on the international stage. French author Thierry Meyssan’s “The Big Lie,” which argues that the U.S. military orchestrated the attacks, was a bestseller in France, and his claims have been widely repeated in European and Middle Eastern media. And recent surveys reveal that, even in moderate Muslim countries such as Turkey and Jordan, majorities of the public believe that no Arab terrorists were involved in the attacks.
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion,” Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan was fond of saying. “He is not entitled to his own facts.” Yet conspiracy theorists want to pick and choose which facts to believe.
I highly recommend you read the rest of the article, to see some of the examples of illogic he’s talking about.
But mostly I want to take a moment to praise Miegs for the devastating smack upside the head I heard him deliver while debating the “Loose Change” Moonbats on yesterday’s edition of Amy Goodman’s “Democracy Now: The War and Peace Report” (Don’t ask).
A conspiracy nut-job was ranting and raving about Building 7 and a controlled explosion and debris falling inside or outside or a footprint and whether or not a building fell in seven seconds or 18 seconds, and finally Miegs just said something like (paraphrasing):
The “logic” you are using is the same type of “thinking” used by Creationists to prove that dinosaurs didn’t exist, or Holocaust deniers to prove that Auschwitz was simply a refugee center and not an extermination camp.
SMACK!
“Kid Progressive, please welcome your fellow-travellers– Flat-Earth Society Christian Fundamentalists and Anti-Semitic Fascists. Quite a club you’ve decided to join.”
I can’t imagine a greater insult to the ego of a Lefty. And all they could do was erupt in rage.
I thought I was going to bust a gut laughing.
Good for you Miegs–shove it right back up their arse!
Miegs’ book is “Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand up to the Facts.”
UPDATED– Here’s an mp3 of the entire show; make sure you’ve got your Windows Media Player set to some funky-butt hippy-dippy psychedelic visual setting, to get the full effect of the obligatory multi-cultural jazz bumper music used in this (and all other) “progressive” radio programs.
The “debate” starts at about 23:00 in. The particular Moonbat claims I noted earlier are at 54:40 in; Miegs delivers his smackdown at 55:45.
Readers with high-blood pressure and/or heart conditions are advised against listening to this program.
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There’s going to be a run on tin foil! Better buy stock today! The circuits are not all connected. Way to go Meigs!
BTW…. first so far.
OK I’ll start it off, why the hell not.
Let’s forget the diversionary conspiracy debunking of the towers and plane hitting the Pentagon. The towers fell because of structural failure and the plane did indeed hit the Pentagon. Those who say no are true conspiracy whackos.
But, why don’t we ever hear about who placed the stock options trades on United Airlines, American Airlines, Merrill Lynch, et al in the days before 9/11? Surely with the vast scope of our regulatory system we’d know by now who placed those trades.
Attack away, but I’ll bet no one can give me a logical answer as to why the perpetrators haven’t been identified.
What’s absolutely fascinating to me is the abnormal psychology of the people who buy into this conspiracy theory. I can just see it 30 years from now… a television special exposing the “hidden truth” about 9/11 narrated by the next generation’s Geraldo Rivera.
To be perfectly frank, that scares the hell out of me. We seem to be losing our collective ability for critical thinking skills. I’d like to think this willingness to buy into conspiracy theories without first thoroughly analyzing facts is a form of immaturity that those who indulge in will grow out of in due time. For their sake and ours I hope that’s the case.
I guess it’s really no different than aliens, JFK’s assassination, or any other alleged “cover-up” though. People are bored and would largely rather be entertained than educated. Maybe it’s just human nature.
Point one… why does it matter?
Point two… in this post-Enron, Sarbannes-Oxley era of business, I’m sure you could find that information if you were diligent enough. Even if you did though, the question again is why does it matter?
Let’s make the assumption that someone traded a large amount of stock pre-9/11. Would that in and of itself constitute some foreknowledge of terrorist plans on the part of the trader? Of course not. Making that connection is nothing more than sheer conjecture. Once again, suspicion is no substitute for fact.
Dude, with all “dude” respect, do the research and get the facts of these trades before you make ridiculous statements like that.
HS,
I’m not the one with the suspicion about pre-9/11 trades, you are. So from your statement I must assume that you have done the research and know something I don’t. Please enlighten me. What are the “facts”?
… and please for the love of all that is holy don’t tell me that you’re not going to do my research for me.
I wonder what his definition of Christian Fundamentalist is. It that someone that believes in the infallibility of the Bible? Sounds to me like the response was no better than the original comment. Neither had any basis, just a bunch of self-made baloney.
It all boils down to ‘Hate America first’. Make the scraps of “information” jibe into what some nut job can craft into something “fact-like” that they can present as “fact” in lieu of on actual fact. Look who eats this junk up as fact: Muslim countries, The French, college professors and their minions (of all of the aforementioned), ’nuff said!
There is more evidence of a Sasquatch alive and well in the Pacific Northwest that for the 9-11 conspiracy theorists. I would believe the Weekly World News before I believe any of their “theories”
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cryptozoo.monstrous.com/pictures/patterson_bigfoot_monster_footage.jpg&imgrefurl=http://cryptozoo.monstrous.com/roger_patterson.htm&h=322&w=206&sz=18&hl=en&start=223&tbnid=_geFNBTFwyCv1M:&tbnh=118&tbnw=75&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbigfoot%26start%3D220%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official_s%26sa%3DN
#7,
I think the response, unlike the original comment, had plenty of basis.
#5 - I’m curious, too, Shakey - what do you know that we don’t?
BTW: The Dude’s response to your original post was not ridiculous.
These people also believe that the earth is flat, we never landed on the moon, and Gumby would make a great President. Truly, anyone filled with so much hate for any one person (Bush) would believe anything.
The commandment “Thou shalt not kill” also applies to malicious gossip and slander. Killing someone’s reputation or character is serious stuff. Disagree. Be disappointed in a lost election. But don’t lose your soul.
But then many of these people are too smart for God. or His morals.
/spits
The reason conspiricy theories exist from the moon landing to 9-11 is the genuine distrust of our government and our leaders. We all know there are black programs that even the President doesnt know about and rouge agencies with secret agendas and funding that doesnt go thru Congress. Whatever you can imagine its probably being done somewhere someplace in the bowels of some government building. Watching The Path to 9-11 it shows these gov officials knew what was going on and the incompetence of the bureaucracy. There are cover ups every day by our government. That TWA 747 that blew up over the ocean was probably done by a missile. Eyewitnesses saw the trail going up. The gov finding was some bad wire near the fuel tank. Yeh right. The reason for this cover up is the panic that would have ensued if they admited the plane was shot down. We are scared little sheep they think. As for that bad wire. There are 1000’s of 747’s in service all over the world for the past 40 years. How many have blown up on their own? Hmmm. There is good reason not to trust the government. The truth is out there.
I happen to know that President Bush has a time machine.He is going back in time and creating disasters, and making them look as if they had really happened. I have a picture of him leaving the CDC in Atlanta with a vial of botulism and going back to the 13th century. He looks good in armor!
My only picture was taken by my Dr when he came in and gave me my meds.
Headshaker
Please answer the question, Just what do you know that know one else does?
Skeptical
If there are black programs that even the President does not know about, how do you know about them?
trl3, do you believe they exist? How do you know?
The Manhattan Project was one of those. Watch the documentaries on that program. Yes, the Pres did know about that one, but it was done very deep. Area 51 had many secret programs going on. Don’t you watch any Sci Fi?
Skeptical:
I never said there are no black programs. Every Highly secretive program could be considered a black program.
However, you claimed that there are black programs that even the President does not know about. NAME ONE!
Now we all know why its called the Loony Left. There is no mind wasted more than a mind that is liberial.
HS - reach very carefully for your remote control, no not that one that one only controls the dvd player, yea, the bigger one, now turn OFF the SIFI channel and turn on the HISTORY channel.
OOOH SI FI Science FICTION
Some folks think the truth is out there, so they go about methodically finding it, using the rigorous experimentation and verification that science and logic demand. Others find that too boring and/or difficult, so they make web pages or television programs as a testament to that fact that they prefer entertainment to education.
Headshaker
You never answered the question about the stock options. WHY were they important?
“Name one” thats too funny.
Do you think if the President called down to the career people who worked in Area 51 and Los Alamos and said, “Hey, I want to see some of those aliens and parts from the space ships” they would say “yeh GW, come on down!”
If I President thats the first thing I would want to see.
Skeptical:
Once again you have made a statement you cannot support with facts. Unable to support your accusation you now try to divert attention and make a joke.
I can’t say your actions were unexpected.
trl3,
you asked me to name a secret program that even the President doesnt know of. If I knew the name of it do you think I would tell you freaks on this blog? I would be buried next to Hoffa,Vince Foster and Ron Brown.
I think the secret program to extract your brain has been successful.
Skeptical
You cannot back up your outragous statement. Giving flip answers now will not change that fact.
Will Rogers once said “When you find yourself in a hole, it is time to stop digging”. In your case it is time to put the shovel down.
Just as an aside, I’ve read Popular Mechanics, off and on for years, but had just about forgot about it. About a year ago a co-worker had a copy and the Editor wrote an open letter to the readers, it seems that someone was offended because he had ads for handguns in the magazine.
I was impressed and being tired of being blamed for the problems in this country, just because I own guns, I subscribed to the magazine.
Just for the record, I’m a gun nut” and proud of it.
In the June 2004 edition of Popular Mechanics Mr. Oldham addressed the issue:
As the editor, yes, I decide what will run and what will not. And yes, I enjoy the shooting sports and am a member of the National Rifle Association. I believe that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees me, an individual, the right to own a firearm. Like most of the readers of Popular Mechanics I am generally a law-abiding citizen, have served in the armed forces of this country and am not a “gun nut”. From letters I received, I think I’m pretty much in step with the majority of our readers. Knowing that I have the support of most of you reading this, I can tell you categorically that no amount of irrate letters or whining or protesting will scare me into forcing gun articles out of these pages. It’s part of our heritage. It’s part of our editorial mission.
And that’s why we print articles on firearms. Let the letters begin. Till next time.
See it here;
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/08/01/161616.php
#12 Most Skept. SOB
There have been three Boeing Jets where the center fuel tank has exploded since 1990:
http://www.b737.org.uk/thai737news.htm
Prior to 1990 a Air Force Boeing tanker experienced a center fuel explosion and they installed nitrogen gas fill for empty tanks.
The conspiracy fringe is hardly a “progressive” movement, but rather an unholy alliance of the black helicopter crowd and the non-bathing granola eating radical anti-corporate crowd; the fringe of the right and left.
#20;
shakey knows nothing, or is it shiite?
he’s just starting his usual flow of crap.
Don’t feed the troll.
rj
Argus, those seemed to be all 737’s. Not a 747.
trl, you are just a sheep. Go back to the pasture and eat the grass.
Shakie (#2)
CBS did a report on the put options in 2001:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/19/eveningnews/main311834.shtml
Their report makes it look like it might’ve been insider trading by Bin Laden’s people, not any US conspiracy.
Other research on Google shows that the US actually deputized employees at major stockbrokers to ferret out this info. My bet is that the CIA buried it because it provided a way to trace money back to Bin Laden.
SKEPTICAL
You can’t dodge this by trying to change the subject or by calling me names. You said something that was not true to advance your political ideas and you have been called. However like a true liberal you just keep sinking yourself deeper into the abyss.
Hey Guys and Gals — lay off SOB. When the aliens attack - and we all know they will someday - we will be glad that SOB was rght and we were wrong. I pray that we have a president such as George W Bush - a ex-fighter pilot that can led an attack agaist the aliens using their own planes. Ooops — sorry — I was thinking about the movie “Independance Day” I watched last night. Nevermind.
#29
That article is a joke. “Sources”? Another Double Standards issue. Whenever I’ve posted an article that just mentions “sources” it is always summarily dismissed here.
Also, the article does not conclude anything about Bin Laden. It merely says it might have been his group, but there is absolutely no evidence to support that theory.
Nice try.
#26 Argus
The eyewitnesses to a missile hitting TWA800 cannot be easily dismissed. There are simply too many of them, with nothing to gain, from every corner of society, who are vehement in their belief that they saw a missile. These eyewitnesses include a Major in the Air National Guard in a helicopter, people in a nearby plane, people on the ground, etc. etc. etc., all of whom impeccable credibility and credentials.
The CIA explanation that the plane continued to climb 3,000 feet after it blew up has been summarily dismissed by almost every aviation expert in the field.
It was probably a tragic mistake by the Navy conducting exercises in the area at the time. But it wasn’t no fuel tank explosion.
So Shakey, what DO you know about airline stocks and 9/11? You’re sidestepping the question.
Or are you just rocking the boat?
#34 jimb
I don’t know anymore than what’s already out there. Stock/options trades are monitored daily for unusual activity. It’s very easy to trace who placed the trades, especially when it involves this kind of money. Those who placed the trades have never been named (note I did not say “found”).
You tell me why, that was my original question.
So headshaker thinks the navy may have accidently shot down the 747.
Why do I know for certain that this did not happen. I know this because of human nature, There is no way the navy could have gotten everyone involved in such an accident to keep their mouths shut.
#35 - I am guessing that the reason was that it came under a lot of scrutiny, it turned out that there was nothing there, and therefore it became a non-issue. I don’t implicity trust government, but if there was a story there, the sharks in the press would have smelled blood in the water and gone into a feeding frenzy. That’s fairly accessible data…
#36 - Bingo!
Headshaker
That the trades were made. I can buy that. That no one told us who profitted, Okay, I can buy that.
The question some have ask is what difference does it make?
#39 trl3
I guess it depends on who made the trades, right? Unfortunately, the American people have never been told, so we don’t know if it makes a difference or not. That’s all.
#36 trl3
That is exactly what they want you think. You have been properly brainwashed, congratulations.
#40 #41
Not agreeing with you does not make one brainwashed. In fact agreeing with you would probably be a greater indication of brain washing.
You still haven’t said why it is important. If it had been the terrorist the story would have been in the headlines for weeks. We would still be hearing about it.
On the other hand, if I had place a put option betting that American Airlines stock was going to go down because I though the company was poorly run and losing money, among other reasons and I suddenly made a massive windfall because of 9/11, I probably would not want anyone releasing that PRIVATE information either.
Shakey, I bet if you’re really concerned about it, you can find out who made those trades.
As far as TWA 800, even assuming a naval missile launch gone wrong was the cause, a cover-up of that even does not constitute a conspiracy theory on the level that you’re suggesting.
I suggest you purchase one of these (the hat, that is)…
Headshaker… you’re my friend. You know this, right? As your friend I feel it’s my duty to tell you that this line of thinking leads people to live in shacks and live off of “the grid” in an effort to conceal their whereabouts from the effa B I.
Even if you’re right about there being some deeper connection than we’re being told about, the truth coming out would change absolutely nothing. The dead will still be dead and if someone is that masterful to have the ability to cover up such a diabolical plot, the likes of you and I will not be able to do a damn thing to them.
You come out at night
That’s when the energy comes
And the dark side’s light
And the vampires roam
You strut your rasta wear
And your suicide poem
And a cross from a faith that died
Before Jesus came
You’re building a mystery
You live in a church
Where you sleep with voodoo dolls
And you won’t give up the search
For the ghosts in the halls
You wear sandals in the snow
And a smile that won’t wash away
Can you look out the window
Without your shadow getting in the way?
jimb, do you understand anything about options trading? I do, because I use to trade them.
Let me give you one example (there are many other trading anomalies just before 9/11 in airline/insurance/financial stocks) as they relate to 9/11:
Merrill Lynch October $45 put options (betting that the stock will go down) traded 12,215 contracts in the four trading days before the attacks. The average before then was 252 contracts per day. This is a 1200% increase. By the way, Merrill occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center.
If you think there is nothing there, so be it, that’s your prerogative.
#44 Dude
Your post makes absolute sense, except for the fact that those who believe 9/11 could have been prevented would hope that if the truth ever came out we wouldn’t have another 9/11.
And yes, I know you are my friend, and I am a better person for it (seriously).
I think this sums it up nicely.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
Maltboy
#47
Excellent!
Shakey - and likewise, if you see something there, then so be it. I have a decent general understanding of options trading, but I still firmly believe that if some group, whether foreign or domestic, profited from this inappropriately, we’d have heard about it.
Besides, if any group or individual was to perform such transactions to profit from 9/11, I would think that Al-Qaeda would be the first suspect in anybody’s book…
#49 jimb
Exactly. And when we’re not told it was Al Qaeda, that makes me nervous.
#45 HS
Options, in any market, are used as cheap “insurance” to lock in profit or provide a stop loss. If you hold put options, that usually means you also hold the underlying stock. Why would the “conspirators” go to the trouble and expense of buying puts when they could of just sold the underlying stock just prior to 9/11?
I, for one, am sick of all conspiracy theories…enough is enough!
#51
Yes, that is one use for put options. Another is to make a killing when you know something is going to happen to a stock (puts or calls).
Very simply: how do you explain the remarkable increase in volumes just before 9/11 of these puts in these individual stocks that were destined to go down big on 9/11?
#52 Then go over to Open Comments. Very simple solution.
#54….thanks for the head’s up, head…I would never have thought of that without your guidance!
…then it probably wasn’t. Like I said - the press would be all over it if it was. We would know.
#53 HS
It just seems to me that buying puts prior to the event is financially a lot more risky then buying underlying stocks. For example, what if Atta and the rest of those animals had been prevented in some way of carrying out their plan? If you hold puts at a high strike price, you have basically lost the value of your puts. If you own the underlyer, at least you can recoup your investment.
I can’t explain the increase in volume other than holders of those stocks wanted to insure against bad news, e.g., bad quarterly figures.
I’ve also read about the spike in options volume. I don’t see how this contradicts anything we already know about 9/11.
We know 9/11 was a conspiracy. It was a conspiracy of Islamic terrorists around the world. The conspiracy stretched from Afghanistan (where Osama was hiding out) to Germany (where the hijackers met and lived) to the United States (where they finished hatching the plan). There were probably couriers, financiers, fixers and other conspirators at various points around the world.
We also know that terrorist money flows around the world. Whether it’s Arafat laundering his money through legitimate enterprises, or al-Qaeda using Islamic charity groups as front organizations, we know that Islamic terrorists are pretty good at keeping the money flowing, and they understand the financial system.
So it doesn’t surprise me at all that a terrorist network would use its advance knowledge to profit from its attack. I bet they got a kick out of it, actually. Cripple the great Satan’s finances, and actually make money from it. It’s the American Dream, Islamofascist-style.
Not being told that it was al-Qaeda is not the same thing as being told that it was not al-Qaeda.
So is that the only time in history that there has ever been that much deviation from the mean? Even if so (which I doubt) that doesn’t in and of itself infer any nefarious intention on the part of the traders. Statistics out of context aren’t really useful. The “global warming” chicken littles amply demonstrate that.
From the 9/11 report:
#60 Matt
LOL your reliable source is the 9/11 Commission Report?
trl, you are wanting facts on something that is designed to not leave any trace of existence. Do I know for a fact black programs exist? No. Do I have reasonable suspicion they do? Yes. Is it reasonable to assume the government has programs like this? Yes. Is it reasonable to assume some of these are so deep that the President, a civilian, who serves 2 terms would know about every black program? No.
Do you believe God exists? Prove it to me with indisputable facts. If not, he does not exist according to your loony logic.
I didn’t say anything about its reliability, did I? I’m saying that’s the currently accepted explanation for the spike in volume.
Besides, scoffing at something does nothing to refute it. If you want to refute it, go right ahead. Here are the points made in the 9/11 report:
-An institutional investor bought most of the puts.
-That investor was U.S. based.
-That investor had no terrorist ties.
-That investor bought the puts to hedge a long position in AMR.
-A trading newsletter recommended these trades.
Which of those points do you disagree with, and why?
#62 SOB
And you wonder why I preach Double Standards™
#64 - because it makes you feel morally superior?
/feeling snarky today
#63 Matt
Even if these things are true for UAL, explain the trading patterns in Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, AA, AIG and other airline, insurance and financial stocks just before 9/11.
The volume of these put options was unprecedented for these stocks.
Newsletter my a$$. Not for this type of volume on all these stocks directly related to 9/11 and the WTC. No way.
#65 jimb
No, because it’s prevalent amongst those who actually do think they’re morally superior. And you know who you are.
#63 Matt
So did this investor make a killing in the market? Sounds to me like the worst/best they did was break even.
Skeptical
Speaking of loony logic. You make outragous statement you can not backup with facts, and then you try to support yourself with even more outragous analogies. You claimed earilier (see #12) “that we all know there are black programs that even the President doesn’t know about” Now you are saying you do not know for sure, you just think they do.
Shakey, I haven’t been able to find a good site with historical options pricing/volume, so I’m not able to address the options specifically.
But Yahoo Finance has historical stock prices and volumes, so let’s take a look at the underlying issues.
Yeah, Merrill Lynch had high volume the week before 9/11 and the week of 9/11. Average daily volume for those two weeks was 6.5 to 8 million shares. Average daily volume for the week of 6/25/01 was over 8 million shares. 3/12/01 and 3/19/01 were two straight weeks of 8 million share days.
For American Airlines, average daily volume for the week of 9/11 and the previous week was 1-1.3 million shares a day. There were 12 other weeks in 2001 with average daily volume in excess of 1.3 million shares/day.
But the bigger question is: what are you getting at? What is your hypothesis or suggestion?
Aah! Damn spam filter caught my post!
That’s what two years of hard work on this site gets ya. I tell ya I get no respect.
President Bush finally admitted yesterday in his
9/11 speech that Iraq was not connected with WT massacre.
I feel good about hearing this truth, I would like him to know that if he ever thought of running for the 3rd term I will NOT oppose him.
TRL,
I know they (deep government black programs) exist. Can I prove it to you. Yes, meet me at Los Alamos tomorrow night at midnight at the gate entrance. Wear a turban and white robe. The code word to say to the guard is “Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar”
I don’t believe there was any put/call option conspiracy. Heck, if the terrorists had bought those same stocks 2-3 weeks after 9/11 and held them for any length of time, they would have come out better than with the put option theory.
Stock conspiricy? Nahh. Thats like saying Ken Lay knew Enron stock was going to tank and thats why he sold early. Yall are a bunch of nut jobs.
Got tin foil?
#75 Gregg
Yeahhh….Ken’s really whooping it up now!
#72 - I got bad news for you - He never did say that.
jimb, I agree. The Libs always say he implies Iraq and 9-11. If there is two things that makes Dems go nuts it is Iraq and drilling for oil in ANWR.
Think about that. American Military power and Oil independence. Dems dont want any part of that.
#28 -
You are correct - a 737 is not a 747.
However, on August 30, 2002, the FAA issued an airworthiness directive for Boeing 737-600 through 900, Boeing 747, and Boeing 757.
The airworthiness directive described a condition which, if not corrected, “could result in fire/explosion in the center fuel tank.”
It would seem, based on this AD, that certain 737 models, the 747, and the 757 share a common design for the center fuel tank. Therefore, Argus’ point regarding center fuel tank explosions is valid.
You can go to the FAA website and read the entire AD, #2002-18-52 for yourself.
Tom, I agree and that’s all well and good. But look at the problem with Ford trucks for example. They all had the same cruise control part and they were catching on fire all over the country until Ford had to do something. I just cant believe with all the planes in service this happened to one 747 and not others one after the other if the design was bad.
Like Shakey said. There were witnesses all over that area that saw a streak of fire go up to the plane then the explosions. The Feds can explain it away but with all the terrorism aimed at planes this seems kinda fishy. No offense to fish.
THREE Boeing aircraft have experienced the center fuel tank explosion. Two of them were 737s, and one was a 747. They share a common center fuel tank design.
Using the Ford truck logic, why didn’t ALL Ford trucks with the same cruise control catch on fire?