Pope Benedict XVI dared to suggest that Islam might have a hint of violence to it:
“The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war,” the pope said. “He said, I quote, ‘Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.’”
In an effort to show how wrong he was, the Religion of Peace™ responded with thinly veiled threats:
But anger still swept across the Muslim world, with Pakistan’s parliament unanimously adopting a resolution condemning the pope for making what it called “derogatory” comments about Islam, and seeking an apology from him.
“Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said.
Uh, okay…
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Gimme a Religion of Peace, yeah, Religion of Peace, yeah, Religion of Peace…..
Oh, uh firstsies.
How dare anyone interpret the religion of Islam as violent. This reminds me of Bill Clinton’s famous statement: it depends on what “is” is. Outsiders may interpret it as violence but the terrorists interpret it not as violence but a cleansing of the infidels. So whatever “is” is, is what you want to see it “is”.
I hope this doesn’t mean the pope is now a target??
I never get a hat tip!
Check the open comments for today. I posted EXACTLY this article and quote, and nearly the same comments.
UNFAIR!
UNFAIR!
Don’t make me go all Democrat Underground on you and start using a bunch of exclamation points and bad speling!!!!!!!!!!
I think we can file this one under “the truth hurts.” Hitting a little close to home, I think.
“Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said.
And if you don’t believe that we’re the religion of peace, we’ll burn down a city or two, perhaps decapitate a few infidels.
5 -
And they miss the irony entirely. . .
Violent!! Why would you think muslims are violent, just because thier actions make them appear violent doest mean a thing, just because they blew up the Cole, and tried to blow up the WTC in 93 and did blow it up in 2001 and the embascy they blew up and the atacks and rioting and burning of cars in France, and the hotel in what the heck country it was that they killed thier own attending a wedding.
NAAAAAAAAAAAH they are not violent - why would you think that
Actions speak louder than words, the Pope only speaks the truth.
the Muslim religion is deeply EVIL
#7
No one ever convicted an anti-abortion activist for assault on a doctor or damaging a clinic?
What about the pedophile Mormon the FBI recently snagged?
Oh wait! He’s a good guy. Unlike the “terrorists” who’d rather kill you, he molests kids leaving them to live the rest of their lives coping with it.
8: I think you’ve been listening to too much Rosie O’Donnell. Apples and 747s.
Without defending the actions of the Catholic Church w/r to the pedophilia issue or the handfull of nutcases that killed abortion doctors, you’re way off base.
No mainline branch of Christianity (let’s just say Methodists, for the sake of argument, since I worship at a Methodist church) advocates murder of those who don’t share our beliefs. Contrast this with the Wahabi sect of Islam, which is well-known for their aggressive lack of tolerance for anything other than strict observance of Shia’ law and death or subjugation for anyone that opposes them.
Make sure to get back to me the next time a Methodist hijacks an airliner and crashes it into a building for the Glory of Jesus Christ.
#8 joebexar
Those folks are condemned by others in their religion. When was the last time you heard a muslim CONDEMN, without a modifier, the actions of the terrorists?
You’re a rabble-rousing apologist with your statement.
Point of clarification on my #9 - Wahabi is a sect of the Sunni branch of Islam, which doesn’t follow Shia.
Nonetheless, Wahabis DO follow a very strict interpretation of Islam that offers no quarter to us infidels.
Hadith 9:57: “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”
Sura 2:216: “Fighting is prescribed for you, and [some of] you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.”
Sura 9:5: “Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.”
Sura 2:190-193: “Fight in the way of Allah . . . and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them and drive them out . . . and fight them until . . . religion is for Allah.”
Sura 8:12, 17: “I will instill terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not you who slay them, it is Allah.”
Peace. Yeah, right.
The Pope did nothing more than read what has been known to the greatest minds of western civilization for centuries. In response the Jihadis did what they do best: burn things.
“The difference between Jesus Christ and Mahomet. Mahomet was not foretold; Jesus Christ was foretold. Mahomet slew; Jesus Christ caused His own to be slain. Mahomet forbade reading; the Apostles ordered reading. In fact, the two are so opposed that, if Mahomet took the way to succeed from a worldly point of view, Jesus Christ, from the same point of view, took the way to perish…Any man can do what Mahomet has done; for he performed no miracles, he was not foretold. No man can do what Christ has done.” - Blaise Pascal
# 8 - and your point would be? I do not know of ANY Christian religion that advocates murder and mayhem as a way to heaven.
You are way off base!
To all,
I want to say that ALL RELIGION IS WRONG.
I am not apologizing for “terrorists”.
I am not apologizing for the Catholic Church or pedophiles operating under the guise of Mormon polygamy.
You are missing my point. All I did was add balance to the topic.
We don’t advocate murder and mayhem…we just see them as useful tools in our lust to destroy those that maybe don’t see eye to eye with us. The Popenfuhrer is right to put his cards on the table. We shouldn’t hide our feelings in times like these. Destroy the brutes.
#14
Christians don’t advocate mayhem and violence. They create institutions to do that for them.
You think the Catholic Church got rich from passive resistance?
P.S. My point would be YOUR comments were ignorant and racist.
#16
Amen and Hallejuah!
#9
8: I think you’ve been listening to too much Rosie O’Donnell. Apples and 747s.
What are you implying? I can operate my own brain without Rosie’s help. Besides, my Christian upbringing taught me to hate homosexuals.
That’s interesting
My Chrisitian upbringing taught me to hate the act not the person.
#20
Unfortunately, in my church, we never separated the two.
But, you are helping me make my original point before I was attacked by the infidels here.
#17
Actually what you are doing is called argumentum ad hominem, tu quoque.
That means you are responding to a valid and salient critique of Islamic propensity for violence by attacking the people making that critique with the written equivalent of the whiny little kid screaming “but mommy, he did it too!”
Doing so is a fallacy of distraction because it does not even address, much less refute, the validity of the original critique of violent Islam. You’ve also managed to roll a touch of guilt-by-association and false analogy into the tu quoque process, so as far as fallacies are concerned you’ve struck out.
19: In my post 9, I was commenting on your apparent inability to distinguish between a culturally sustained, sanctioned and encouraged worldview that dictates the murder of those that disagree, and individual acts of evil by people that happen to claim allegiance to a partular faith. I mentioned Rosie because she evidently lacks the capability to make similar distinctions.
There is a difference between radical Islam, which specifically calls for a unified jihad by all its adherents against non-Muslims, and the acts of sin and perversion committed by “Christians” that you note, which are totally contradicted by even the most rudimentary understanding of Judeo-Christian morality. Your implication that a Christian faith and philosophy is the primary point of unity among these incidents strains the limits of logic and credibility.
Thank you Phil and very well said.
and you too Levander Williams
#22
Thank you Dr. Phil! (not really)
I did address the point in an earlier post. Violence exists in all walks of life. The Islamic faith is used to justify violence like anything else. It is ALL irrational to me. This statement includes the pope who heads an organization affiliated with pedophiles who commit deviant sexual behavior with children.
Once again, it is ALL irrational to me.
26: The Catholic Church does not sanction pedophilia, nor does any legitimate Christian denomination. It certainly had a less than aggressive (in my mind) response to the molestation of children by priests, but they NEVER used an interpretation of Scripture to justify the acts.
The same cannot be said with respect to certain sects of Islam and violent jihad. That is where your analogy falls apart.
Phil_M and Levander Williams
thanks.
You’ve said what I was unable to get across.
26 - It’s fine to believe violence or whatever is irrational as your own personal opinion. But it is still a fallacy of distraction to respond to somebody else as you did.
The original post made a valid criticism of violent Islam, and you attempted to respond to it by personally attacking the critic with a slew of logically fallacious claims and innuendo. Your opinion about the generic irrationality of violence/religion/whatever was not germane to the topic as it appeared when you attacked it. The particular issue of islamic violence was, and is. Thus far your attempts to address that topic remain wanting.
#23
I did not blame any religion. I blame the people who subscribe to them and use them to either burn something down OR insult other religions thereby inciting riot.
Once again, it is ALL irrational to me.
30 - sure you did. You specifically mentioned Catholics and Mormons, along with the “anti-abortion activist” (which everyone knows implies some generic variety of Christian) in #8 and #15, in an attempt to draw an equivalency between radical Islam and a scattershot of Christian faiths.
If you were not equating the two as a foundation of your apparent premise of “see, all religions are violent and irrational”, then what exactly were you attempting to say?
#27
We all know this. I made it clear why I brought the other stuff up.
My original point is you cannot blame the religion. It is THE PEOPLE who are committing the violence. You cannot use radical Islam to critique the entire faith. It makes you just as ignorant.
#31
Once again, I brought up the actions of individuals who happen to be Christian just like people were bringing up the actions of people who happen to be Muslim.
Radical Islam is a scattershot of the Muslim faith. Because you see it every night on the news connected to violence, it does not mean that all Muslims are prone to violence.
Excuse me Joe
You can blame this on the Religion. Aparently you have never made a side by side comparison.
Me thinks you are entering into subject matter with whch you are not familiar.
My point is:
1. All religions are used to justify violence in past or present times.
2. Both sides are irrational. Inflammatory comments made by a religious nut about other religious nuts is irrational. Offended religious nuts burning down their own cities is also irrational.
3. You cannot take radical Islam and use it to critique billions of Muslims especially when most people get their view from mess media. It makes you just as foolish.
#34
Dude, I’m atheist. Why would I compare the two? All religions are equally bad to me.
Oh so then our discussion has ended. Have a nice day. Oh and may God bless you.
How dare you say I’m not peaceful! I’ll keel you all!
An HPD buddy of mine arrested this middle eastern guy who kept threatening him as he was placed into handcuffs and into the car.
His threat:
“I’ll blow you, I’ll blow you all. I’ll blow your whole family”
Hey dudes,
Lets stop the relativistic moral crapola. The Pope is right — liguistically as well as intellectually.
Islam is a dangerous violent religion spread fundamentally by coercion — By the sword from Mohaammed’s life time until this present second. More sophisticated means have been used since the beginning of the 20th century.
If you cant habndle the truth — anticipate burning in hell –yup! it’s a real place!
#26
That is because you are obviously not rational, joeb……
The Muslim spokesman seems to have a keen grasp of the obvious, even if others choose to remain willfully stupid and obtuse to the obvious.
But you are right about one thing: violence is not a ’scattershot’ of the Muslim faith. It is in fact an integral part of it, as illustrated by numerous passges within the Koran.
The idealogy of Islam appears to be based on intolerance, hate, and deceit, as evidenced by the actions of the advocates of their murdering minions.
What other conclusion can any sane person draw from the zeal which they show in committing their heinous crimes?
Joe
Tell ya what, you find me a plethora of stories like this one and then come back and tell me there is no difference.
May God bless
Oh and Joe there are pictures. That means you don’t have to study or read.
joeb: #15
‘To all, I want to say that ALL RELIGION IS WRONG.’
At the risk of sounding indelicate, saying such idiotic statements make you sound like a fool, like rest of the ones who by their own stupidity put the rest of us in danger.
(John Kerry, Rosie, Ted Drunkard, Joe Biden, John Murtha, Dick Turdbin, Jimmy PeanutBrain, Billary Grifters, and the rest of their lying socialist apologists in the media that obviously hate America)
joeb #19
‘besides, my Christian upbringing taught me to hate homosexuals.’
I have NEVER heard anyone in Christianity advocate hating homosexuals, only their abhorent lifestyle.
You must be lonely to need the attention which will obviously be generated by saying such rash, inane, and idiotic statements.
Get a clue, dude.
When I see reactions such as these to mere words, I have to wonder how immature and sensitive these people are. I usually see this kind of reaction when people are confronted about a situation in which they feel they are guilty; e.g., a little kid lying about something will throw a fit when confronted. Or an adult who feels weak or impotent may lash out if anyone questions his/her weakness. Or maybe they just want to feel important and that they belong somewhere. Like in a riotous crowd that tells them they are vindicated in their anger.
/spits
In regards to the article 9-13 P**ing of the right people (Dan Patrick Edition) and the link to Intolerance Watch…Alex Kanakis only got 8 posts on only one article. That was about Dan Patrick…Me thinks Alex Kanakis is lonely on his blog and is lurking amongst us…LURKER ALERT!!!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion…truth hurts sometimes, but it is nevertheless the truth about Islam.
#8:
I’ve never seen such fancy “crawfishing” as you’ve been doing, trying to explain away your comments on this site. Got news for you, son. Can’t be done. They’re there, in black and white, for all the world to read. Quit trying to spin them.
Second: You might believe that “all religions are wrong”, but several million Muslims throughout the world disagree with you. If they have their way, sometime in the not to far distant future you will be asked - with a sword at your neck - to convert to Islam. Remember. These folks are serious. They WILL cut off your head if you refuse.
Let’s say, for the sake of agrument, that you “convert”.
Now what?
Your oldest daughter, who has been living with her fiance prior to the wedding, will be declared a prostitute, taken out, wrapped head to foot, buried to her waist, and stoned to death. Ever seen the video? It’s made strong men lose their lunch.
Next, your youngest daughter - barely 13 years of age - is abducted from your yard by a group of thugs - pardon me, “true believers” - gang raped, and dumped, half dead, back on your doorstep. Now YOU, as the head of the family, must kill her - to preserve the “family honor.”
Last, you son and heir listens to the Mullahs, straps a belt of explosives around his waist, and, to make a statement, blows himself up on the steps of the burned out First Baptist Church, taking dozens of innocents with him.
Never happen, you say? Not here! This is America!
Don’t count on it. We may dismiss the young man from Orange County, California who converted to Islam as a “kook”, but he was deadly serious when he issued the invitation to Americans to “join the true faith…or else.”
These people are out to turn the entire world into followers of Mohammed! And they are using the tried and true methods of Marxism to accomplish their goal. You think they don’t know that the Pope’s quote was correct? But they protested the insult long enough and loud enough, and rioted in enough places, that he has apologized!
When are we going to start demanding - not apologies - but deterring action against an enemy who has vowed to destroy our freedom, our country, and our very lives???
The issue here isn’t abortion, welfare, global warming or gay or illegal immigrant “rights.”
It’s survival.
#47 One Voice
Extremely well stated! Great post! It is amazing to me that some folks cannot or do not want to see the Muslim agenda. It’s printed in black and white and their leaders and followers have stated so publicly many times and continue to do so. Yet, there seems to be some who do not believe that they believe that their religion is the only true one and if we don’t convert, we die. Some God they believe in! We’d better wake up and start taking thsese folks seriously and reacting “accordingly”.
Check out The Drudge report today. The muslims brotherhood are shooting up and burning churches just because they don’t like what the Pope said about them. Now they want a personal apology!
#8 Wake up man!
I am a Christian and know the Muslim religion is a lie, untrue, hatred, & that Allah is not God. We have enabled this to happen ourselves because we did not rise in unified protest, like every other organization does, at the first condemnation of Christian beliefs in our country, i.e. school, public displays, family. Use your anger to try to bring that back or this will not be the end of it.
I hope the Muslims all go back to their own countries so they can practice their religion on themselves. It is reprehensible that one can believe as they do and then say that some of them are “good Muslims”. No such group exists.
Time to revisit this link:
http://www.zipperfish.com/free/yaafm12.php
NOT for the easily offended…
Islam, Arabic for ’submission’.
Look it up, it’s there. It has NOTHING to do with ‘peace’.
Islam spread by the sword. The Middle-East was Christian for 600 years before Islam ever existed. And within 40 years of Islam’s founding, they conquered what is now the Middle-East and North Africa (also 600 years of being Christian).
Go ahead, look it up, it’s in the history books. Liberals never want to mention it. The Crusades? Was a reaction to the Christians being murdered in the MIddle East.
Go figure how our history has gotten so out of whack.
Liberalism, like Marxism, is a lie. Lies built upon lies.
‘Nuff sed.
Hopefully the church stays strong! The animals have begun by murdering a nun in Somalia!!!! These animals must be stopped…