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  1. jimb on October 4th, 2006 at 6:42 am

    And if it is unfair that Democratic voters often give their politicians a pass on such matters (e.g. former Massachusetts Democratic congressman Gerry Studds got re-elected by his liberal voters after a similar incident was made public), that is just the price we have to pay in this wicked world for holding fast to our values and principles.

    Shakey, if you’re reading this, it’s people like this who give me hope that we’ll be able to return the Republican party to the principles that they’re supposed to stand for…

  2. Yellowdogdem on October 4th, 2006 at 7:22 am

    I think we have to admit that neither party is the party of morality or family values anymore. I talked to a ghood friend of mine yesterday who is a staunch conservative and we agreed on one thing. There are no statesmen or patriots in politics anymore. Our elected government now consists of very partisan idealogues on both sides who are usually driven by very narrow single minded issues that don’t take the wishes of the public into account. The main interest of elected politicians now is perpetuation of power, not the good of the country.

  3. Dept. of Redundancy Dept. on October 4th, 2006 at 7:33 am

    If virtue were profitable, the whole world would be virtuous.

    Ditto.

    I think I’ve reached the same conclusion as Smacktle. Like many alcoholics, the Republican party will have to hit rock bottom before it mends itself.

    We may or may not take a political hit, but better to go to the electorate with our heads held high for doing the right thing, than to slink around like a pack of phonies.

    Agreed there, but I wonder if we aren’t too far along in our fall towards rock bottom to avoid that political hit. I tend to believe that such a hit would have a cleansing effect at this point, but that’s just my optimism coming through. The time is right for conservatives to purge the Republican party of phonies.

  4. Kevin Whited on October 4th, 2006 at 7:58 am

    It will be interesting to see what the FBI finds

    Why yes, Mr. Blankley, it will!

    Blankley overreacted hysterically yesterday without much in the way of facts, and now he’s trying to rationalize it with what basically amounts to an argument, “I’m a good Republican, really!”

    The fact remains that there’s no evidence of a coverup, and excitable people really need to calm down and let the facts come in before shrieking “resign, resign!” or “culture of corruption!” or “I can one up you on Republican loyalty and loyalty to the Almighty Himself!”

    I expect emotional overreaction from partisans in the opposition. I don’t expect it from more sensible people in charge of important conservative editorial pages.

  5. Lawrence C. on October 4th, 2006 at 8:05 am

    I called Dan Patrick’s show yesterday and expressed the same sentiment. I likened this scandal to that of the Catholic Church. From the Pope on down, the Catholic Church had the opportunity to immediately condemn the behavior of its priests and announce a zero tolerance policy with regard to any and all priests involved in any sort of immoral sexual behavior. They should have immediately removed any and all perpetrators regardless of the short term consequences. What, in fact, resulted was a complete lack of leadership from the one institution that should have unequivocally protected the moral foundation of its faith. However, they chose to sweep the issue under the rug and they have been dealing with that mistake ever since. Again, these folks could all use a lesson from the Tylenol drug tampering case several years ago. The top management handled that situation flawlessly and restored their brand in doing so. The Catholic Church has suffered irreparable harm due to its lack of leadership and so too, will the Republican Party.

  6. Robert on October 4th, 2006 at 8:28 am

    I listened to Edd’s show this morning, he is right there is a double standard when dealing with Democrats and Republicans but that is a good thing. The Reagan Republicans set those standards and were elected on those standards. They are standards that are held above others like the Democrats. Unfortunately, the current bunch of Republicans (aka “rinos”) have lowered their standards to those of the Democrats. There needs to be a purging of those like Foley who dawned Republican clothing because it was the chic thing to do to get elected to office but who are closet Democrats (or at least in their actions). I guess if that means taken a few election defeats, then so be it—-at least the Republicans will be standing on principle!!!!!

  7. Dept. of Redundancy Dept. on October 4th, 2006 at 8:36 am

    The fact My opinion remains that there’s no evidence of a coverup

    /fixed the shrieking

  8. hamous on October 4th, 2006 at 8:44 am

    The fact that Democrats might also cover up such facts is just another reason why I am a Republican.

    Right on! If we accept Hastert’s excuse that they were just “overly friendly” emails then we’re no better than Democrats. This is not a hysterical overreaction. Hastert sat on information that put children at risk.

  9. Definitely Blonde on October 4th, 2006 at 9:25 am

    One issue about this that really upsets me is Foleys excuses that “I’m an alcoholic and need to deal with it” Alcohol did not cause this, Alcohol did not make him send dirty e-mails and text messages to children. His lifestyle caused this.

    He needs to face facts, his lifestyle is sick and he is a pervert! Alcohol may have emboldened him but it did not make him a pervert!

  10. Definitely Blonde on October 4th, 2006 at 9:25 am

    One issue about this that really upsets me is Foleys excuses that “I’m an alcoholic and need to deal with it” Alcohol did not cause this, Alcohol did not make him send dirty e-mails and text messages to children. His lifestyle caused this.

    He needs to face facts, his lifestyle is sick and he is a pervert! Alcohol may have emboldened him but it did not make him a pervert!

  11. Definitely Blonde on October 4th, 2006 at 9:25 am

    why did my message post twice?

  12. Dept. of Redundancy Dept. on October 4th, 2006 at 9:49 am

    You now work for us, Definitely Blonde.

  13. trl3 on October 4th, 2006 at 10:03 am

    I have no problem with throwing Foley out of the congress. What Foley did was wrong and it took way too long to get him out.

    I reserve my opinion on who else should go until the FACTS are in.

    I see no problem with pointing out the HYPOCRITS in the Democrat party who are claim to be outraged at Foley’s behavior. We all know if Foley had been a Democrat these same outraged people would have been supporting him and in fact he would not even had to resign his seat.

  14. Lawrence C. on October 4th, 2006 at 10:14 am

    I see a lot of bumper stickers that claim “real men” do this, that or the other. Real men know right from wrong and aren’t afraid to publicly condemn wrong, regardless of what “specal interest” group it may offend. Our culture hasn’t lost its moral compass - the secular, “anything goes” crowd ripped it out of the console and threw it overboard. Then, when confronted with a pea soup fog of perversion, no one seems to know how to chart the right course. Adults attempting to seduce minors is wrong, period. For that matter, much older adults attempting to seduce young adults is wrong(refer to Clinton Presidency). Yes, Mr. Foley, you are a pedophile. No parsing of words needed.

  15. Hous bin Pharteen on October 4th, 2006 at 10:45 am

    First, I’m certainly no fan of Hastert. I believe he has been much less than ideal as a leader of the GOP in the House.

    However, (and I’ve read everything I can find on the whole Foley scandal since Sunday) I haven’t read anything yet that leads me to believe he should resign over this.

    I don’t see cover up. I see that it appeared to be a non-scandal based on the information they had AT THE TIME. Everyone seems to be not recognizing the difference between the e-mails and the IM’s. Either that or they are refusing to acknowledge the difference.

    As I understand it, the FBI looked at the e-mails and also declined to investigate further.

    Why do we (Republicans) automatically want to throw everyone to the wolves over every little issue? If Hastert knew about the IM’s before they became public, that would be a completely different story.

  16. vlou on October 4th, 2006 at 10:57 am

    To Dennis Hastert…let your conscience be your guide if you have one. To Foley…you are a very sick individual and don’t use alcohol as an excuse for being a pedophile.

  17. Dept. of Redundancy Dept. on October 4th, 2006 at 11:25 am

    Hous bin Pharteen,

    I see and acknowledge your point about IMs vs e-mails. The most basic problem for me though, is that I don’t believe I’m represented by the Republican party any longer. The Foley scandal is just another reinforcement of that belief. Lawrence C. stated it very well in #14. I posted this comment elsewhere, and I believe it illustrates the dilemma that I and a lot of other voters face:

    I’d like to throw a controversial thought out there for your consideration. The Republican party is supposed to be a champion of family values. IMHO, being gay in and of itself is imcompatible with family values. So what in the world was a gay man (let alone a gay man who pursues underage pages) doing in a leadership position in the Republican party?

    I view that as being suggestive of a willingness to throw out values to maintain (or gain) seats on the part of at least some Republicans. So if they’re willing to discard family values to maintain a majority, what other values might they be willing to discard or overlook for the same end?

    At this point I see a lot of election year dodging going on, but very little concern from Republicans in the way of the moral/ethical problems this latest scandal entails. Frankly, mostly what I see is a lot of “but Democrats get a pass” style whining.

    While it is certainly true that Democrats get a pass, I’m a lot more concerned about the party I do vote for than the party I don’t vote for. I truly hope Republicans can understand that before they completely erode the base that elected them.

  18. Hous bin Pharteen on October 4th, 2006 at 12:14 pm

    #17 DRD,

    I hear you. I’ve been pretty pissed at Rep leadership for a long time.

    But my dad used to tell me, “You don’t cut off your nose just to spite your face.”

    The time to deal with the issues you raise is during primaries and precinct meetings, not the general election.

  19. Dept. of Redundancy Dept. on October 4th, 2006 at 12:57 pm

    #18 HbP,

    There’s the rub, huh? Been through the primaries again and again and this is still what we get. I know there’s no easy solution. It’s just frustrating to watch the de-conservatization of the Republican party.

  20. trl3 on October 4th, 2006 at 1:13 pm

    #17

    The Republicans may have handled this poorly, and cerntainly they did not handle as fast as I would have liked. Foley is pervert and I am glad he is gone.

    Regardless, it is not whinning to point out the hypocritical electioneering democrats that are stomping each other to get to a microphone in order to express there “moral outrage” and blame all Republicans for the perverted acts of one man.

    As long as the democrats want to fake outrage over this matter, it is proper to point out what fakes they are.

  21. Definitely Blonde on October 4th, 2006 at 2:42 pm

    # 12 - cool, so is there a paycheck involved with working for you? Or is it like where I work now?

  22. Dept. of Redundancy Dept. on October 4th, 2006 at 2:52 pm

    DB,

    The wonderful thing about working for the Dept. of Redundancy Dept. is that you always get two checks. The bad thing is that 0 X 2 still equals 0.

  23. dugger on October 4th, 2006 at 3:24 pm

    For the one-hundreth time, we need to can the weepublican party and Demoncrats and start anew with The Conservative Party of the USA and the Liberal Party of anywhere but the USA.
    Then most of us could vote for people who hold the same values, and act on those values.

  24. GoodJobTim on October 4th, 2006 at 7:33 pm

    We have all heard the political speak when dodging the issue. I am not a Hastert fan but he clearly proclaims he knew nothing of the sleezier side of this and did deal with Foley after learning of the original e-mail. I believe him, seems to be confronting it head on.

    Should red flags have gone up, yes. If that was my son, would I be pi$$ed, yes. It is still not enough to resign, it was bad judgement. They did the right thing getting the scumbag out, thats enough for me.

  25. GoodJobTim on October 4th, 2006 at 7:42 pm

    Pedophile is one of the few words we have left with any stigma. The word should be reserved for the evil who commit these acts on the truly innocent, our small children.

    The victim in this case was a minor, not a child. Let us not dilute dispicable acts by human debris in making our points here, please.

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