How NOT to persuade your fellow New Yorkers
by David Benzion · 10/05/2006 6:10 amKnow-it-all young college students filled with righteous-anger behave badly and betray supposed commitment to free-speech; been there, done that.
But the last sentence in the following passage caught my eye in particular:
Students stormed the stage at Columbia University’s Roone auditorium yesterday, knocking over chairs and tables and attacking Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the Minutemen, a group that patrols the border between America and Mexico.
Mr. Gilchrist and Marvin Stewart, another member of his group, were in the process of giving a speech at the invitation of the Columbia College Republicans. They were escorted off the stage unharmed and exited the auditorium by a back door.
Having wreaked havoc onstage, the students unrolled a banner that read, in both Arabic and English, “No one is ever illegal.”
Funny, I can think of 19 Arabic-speakers who were illegal right off the top of my head.
Note to young radicals– this is not a winning media strategy.
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This is why the end is near. The others are already here.
This type of behavior is what happens when you have liberal parents who send their children to liberal universities. The children are indoctrinated by careless professors who “brainwash” the kids. The professors claim no accountability, because, after all, everyone has freedom of speech. It doesn’t matter that the parents are paying for it.
As a Minuteman, I am not suprised by this conduct. I am suprised they were allowed on the campus.
Memo to all readers.Join and support the Minutemen and other groups who are stopping this land becoming a province of Mexico.
Funny how the liberals always claim free speech rights when it comes to pornography, hate-American talk, etc., but when a conservative is invited to talk, there is no free speech allowed and the “doves” start attacking them (literally). How do they justify this blatently obvoius hypocritical behavior? Any liberals out there want to take a gamble on being able to answer this question with rationale and intelligence?
“Note to young radicals– this is not a winning media strategy.”
Perhaps not, but then again, considering this behavior gets ZERO play in the MSM, what difference does it make? Unless you read LST or similar blogs, you’re not even aware of it and can blissfully go through life with remarks like “well, at least they mean well.”
ts time we put a stop to these “ANTI FREE SPEACH” kids and professors who agitate them. Every one of them should have been arrested for assault and gone to jail for interupting the minute mens speach and attacking them
plain and simple - they are not more important to be heard than the minute men - and attacking anyone is unacceptable - go to jail
Liberal version of free speech….
With all those websites and blogs out there, the truth will get out. The liberal media hasn’t gotten it yet, their numbers should tell them something. They need to wake up, before there was no competition but with cable, people have an option and they want balance reporting. That is why FOX’s numbers are up and going steadily up.
And, as far as protesters go, get a PR firm. You only rile the wrong people with your protests. Look at those Hispanics, who carrying the Mexican flag at their protest to become US citizens.
Why are these thugs not being prosecuted and why has the University not taken any action against them?
These lib college punks aren’t afraid of the consequences. When I was at the anti illegal rally at City Hall Tuesday, I so wanted to go over the the 3 or 4 pro illegal Mexicans trying to shout down the speakers and pop them in the mouth. But I knew that all the cops there would have been on me like Oprah on a baked ham. I couldn’t go to jail because I had to take my son to a cub scout meeting that night.
Kind of reminds me of that bumper sticker: “Why are peace activists so violent?”
I’m also not surprised at the actions of those students (and some non students, I guess). I spent time with Gilchrest and other Minutemen on the border just northwest of Laredo last month, and the words Gilchrest speak seem to really come from his heart.
We Minutemen, and other groups like the US Border Watch, had a rally in downtown Houston on Tuesday. I’ve posted 20 videos of the event on my YouTube site if anyone wants to view them -> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=05EA5D149B65FDB0
Brian
Note to Minute men. Have 30 of your own in front seats of college auditorium equipment with pepper spray.
Related news from my hometown:
http://tinyurl.com/o6qsb
Them that call the other group intolerant are the most intolerant. And the one being called intolerant is obeying the law while the other breaks the law to protest in favor of those that are breaking the law in the first place. If you can’t defeat the logic or the validity, just shut down the messenger.
Doesn’t suprise me in the least. People just don’t know how to act with respect anymore.
I happen to have stumbled across this website and was not surprised to see the group of, and this is solely assuming all of your political views are based on your closed-minded comments, that you all are mostly consumed by conservative views that back the minutemen and their actions. I am from Texas, born and raised, but thankfully had the opportunity to travel outside those Tejas borders and attend this exact liberal “punk” school that you all are attacking. I was there that night, where you? My first hand account of the event and the situation did not involve any “liberal college punks,” rather the onslaught of continued insults by Gilchrist. Does he really think that, “oh, and that’s why you will all become investment bankers” is going to be an intelligent thing to say to a group of people that do not support his actions. Good one Gilchrist, good one. Then he proceeds to pretend to call his wife and complain about the ignorance of the audience…again, point for Gilchrist. Profound, I think not, because his free and able speech was obviously lacking the poise and intelligence that a man with any motive to actually be heard would have had no matter the audience’s reaction to his presence.
“Why are these thugs not being prosecuted…”
Well dear, they were not thugs; students holding up signs on stage while a man is trying to speak is not a thuggish thing to do. Rather when a minuteman in a black hat and white t-shirt comes from behind the stage and starts kicking people in the face who are trying to mount it then, hmm, is this an action that should be prosecuted?Should he not go to jail for initiating the violence?I think so. It was not the students that initiated violence but the minutemen who saw no other means of controlling the situation than that of facekicks and punches. Seems to work on the border, then why not on these “liberal college punks”. I’m starting to figure out these minutemen….
To those who claim the free speech argument, this was not an issue of concern. Not once did someone shout, stand up, or hold up a sign that noted it was our freedom of speech to heckle the speakers, the issue was that of the minutemen and their racist messages. But by all means, Gilchrist was more than welcome to continue on with his speech, but instead he ran, ran through the back door and out of the auditorium, back to the borders where he can prove his intelligence is nothing more than how many Mexicans he can rack up in a week. Two points for you.
So please entertain me with your conservative views of protests and immigration, thankfully my liberal “brainwashing” education as prompted me to incourage ignorance.
-and to all a good day
Holly B
” students stormed the stage at Columbia university’s Roone auditorium yesterday, knocking over chairs and tables and attacking Jim Gilchrist…”
Sounds like THUGS to me, and I believe a full investigation should be undertaken and appropriate charges should be filed.
Trust fund revolutionaries…..
Holly B
Go get a job, raise a family and pay taxes. Then develop an opinion…. College ain’t the real world!
Viva la revolucion… Mom, can you send me some money?
Holly B
Every news report I have read appears to dispute your statements. Given that I am lead to conclude that your version of what happened is less than truthful.
Holly needs to walk point in a hostile neighborhood in Iraq and try to make nice with the people there. Then she may learn a little about REALITY. In the meantime, the definition of liberal remains: Left Intelligence Behind Entering Real Adult Life.
“get a job,” well currently have a pretty good one and a family, thank you very much…have graduated from this institution already. No trust fund or mommy there for me, paid it on my own…anymore personal attacks are welcome.
a short video for you all…take note that the aggressors are pulling the signs away and kicking protestors…these can’t be the “thugs” you are all talking about.it was after these acts were initiated that protestors fought back. (man in white shirt, black hat-minute man.
http://ctvnewsonline.com/
Holly B
The video, the news accounts, do not seem to support your version. I really like part where one of the protesters said it is all about free speech, Minutemen are not a legit voice in the immigration debate.
I guess the liberal defintion of free speech is you either agree with us or you don’t get talk.
Holly, having read your post several times, I’m convinced that either you did not really graduate from the Institution in question, or the Institution in question failed in its duty to teach you to spell correctly, proofread your work, and compose grammatically correct sentences.
Holly, you aren’t just an “innocent motorist” happening to witness something. Since you obviously are admittedly no longer a student were you involved in organizing? I believe you may very possibly be an active participant. Question: Why were the signs in Arabic if the debate is about mainly illegals coming from Mexico?
Ps I also am thankful that you have travelled outside Tejas borders too….
“Not once did someone shout, stand up, or hold up a sign that noted it was our freedom of speech to heckle the speakers, the issue was that of the minutemen and their racist messages.”
Couldn’t hear what they said on the video for all the shouting from the screechy children playing revolutionary. So the answer to a message you consider “racist” is to chase the messenger off the stage by force, not with a better message? By the way what was his “racist message”? I couldn’t tell because he never got to say it for all the children playing on the stage.
Faster - save your breath.
Holly B = troll.
Holly,
Just what is it about “illegal” that you don’t quite understand. Did your university education not inform you of basic English (or is it bad to learn English?). Can you possibly try to answer my previous question, to wit:
If you love the illegal immigrants so much and hate those in the US that are trying to protect the LEGAL residents/citizens of this country, why don’t you go live in one of those communist/dictatorial/3rd world/anti-freedom countries that you sound so in love with? It would be of great benefit to both you and the rest of us.
One thing is clear from both the reports and the video, Holly’s version of what happened is less than truthfull.
jphilb
Yeah… but I have bad breath… :O I ate a bag of Funyuns. Really…. I just did, anyone have some gum?
What scares me to death is that these kids are gonna be in charge of me when I get old..Euthanasia will probably be the quick fix for me!
33
Soylent Green is People…..
Can you imagine what Holly’s resume must look like?She says she has a pretty good job already. We can only wonder what she does and how she earned her way through school without the benefit of using proper English, grammar, punctuation, etc. her job must be some kind of manual labor function - flipping burgers (sorry Edd) or a similar set of skills.
Big
Chronicle editor???
#17 Holly B
I think that says it all about you and your alleged college.
Here’s a tip for you: Encourage spell checkers.
Well, at least I know where I won’t send my kids if I want them to do what college students are supposed to do, like learn how to spell and engage in rational thought.
Funny how Holly became quiet all of a sudden. I guess she figured out she was outed…
Interesting that the headline reads:
CTV’s Natalie Yammine captures live footage of students storming the stage during a speech by the Minutemen Project.
Don’t see in that sentence anything about the Minutemen speaker attacking students, etc. etc. Didn’t see that in the video either. What I observed was a well dressed gentleman speaking from a podium (from which he was invited) and the THUGS (er students?) attacking him. Anyone that is attacked has the right to fight back to protect themselves, and in this case, the THUGS deserved to be not only prosecuted by get their little commie a**es whupped. Why is it that liberals EXPECT to be left alone to shout whatever lying, hateful remarks they want, but they can’t act politely when someone they don’t agree with uses the same constitutionally protected freedom.
#31 trl3
Holly sees what she wants. We see what happened.
The fact that she posted the link to that video because she actually thought it supported her delusional claims proves she has a tenuous grip on reality.
In her world it’s okay to storm a stage and violently disrupt a speech if you don’t agree with it. This is all done in the name of tolerance and free speech… but only for those who act and talk like liberals.
Liberalism is a sickness. You can’t argue with a sick mind.
Maltboy,
Yeah you can. Sometimes its fun. But, sometimes it’s not. It’s sad and cruel. Like punching smoeone that rides the short bus. But if the kid on the short bus attacks…. shame on ‘em!
#17 Holly said:
I am from Texas, born and raised, but thankfully had the opportunity to travel outside those Tejas borders and attend this exact liberal “punk” school that you all are attacking.
I was there that night, where you?
My first hand account of the event and the situation did not involve any “liberal college punks,” rather the onslaught of continued insults by Gilchrist.
Honey,
First of all, what part of Texas do you come from?
And you were there that night…what night? Last night? What flight were you on?
Second of all, didn’t see anything from the video that showed any of the things you stated about the minute men. Only the PUNKS who attacked the Minute men. Uhhh, don’t cha think if they had anything on the minute men, I mean anything at all…don’t cha think they would portray them as they have in the past as being rednecks and (?)?
They media never show the people in the military, law enforcement, attorneys, DJ…..just hicks…go figgur…
Holly also said:
To those who claim the free speech argument, this was not an issue of concern. Not once did someone shout, stand up, or hold up a sign that noted it was our freedom of speech to heckle the speakers, the issue was that of the minutemen and their racist messages.
Oh yeah, and BTW, Marvin Stewart is a black man with the Minute Men. He was there last night. Are you calling him a racist? I heard him say today that the punks were calling him a *igg*r…when he was speaking…..Playing the race card on a black man…..Interesting~
Hey, guys! Holly is a TROLL. Ignore her and she will go away (hopefully) and back to DU or someother lefty blog.
Liberalism is a mental disorder!
–Michael Savage
Aww, Neo…I wanted her to play with us! Come back to us!!!
IMHO, this is symptomatic of the anarchy that has been becoming more evident to me for some time.
#35 Big45 Unfortunately, I’m guessing she’s probably in some company’s HR department producing nothing but ensuring the imposition of beauracratic programs.
I see parasites like her all the time.
#39, Maltboy, is dead on: and when you have a group of people who insist on having their way to the point of visiting violence on other people who do not share their views, nor will not even allow them to speak, that is the textbook definition of fascists.
But refuting these people is our obligation; people of this ilk, those socialist,PC, bigoted, intolerant, tree-hugging, bigoted, deluded weak minded fools have been allowed to have there way and control the agenda for way to long.
PBFloyd
#45
You said it very well. Although you said bigoted twice..
When the Libs protest, that is free speech. When the Conservatives protest, it is hate speech or racism. Why is it that the only “racists” who are condemned are white folk?
Southerntragedy
#44
LOL! Reminds me of a dog shaking a kitten! I think we shook her pretty well today. Libs have no common sense. They don’t think, they “feel.”
I agree with Neocon. My mind is telling me to find a quiet place to rest. It has been crazy here at home. I certainly don’t need to wrestle with the TROLL. Maybe another day I will feel up to going head to head with Holly the troll.
#46 Neo: Thx for the assist! You are correct as most usual; was on a bit of a rant, sorry folks, some of this stuff is getting a bit disconcerting.
BTW, hope you are’re proceedings have been proceeding well this week, I trust?
#49 your proceedings, as it we’re…DOH!!
emmekelley
#48
Good to hear from you again! Just click your heals together and say, “there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home…
I’m not as clever as you, so can’t post a picture, but I think you get the jest of this!
PBFloyd
#49 & 50
You’re welcome, but it was only half a tackle!
Court went great — we won! On the other hand, I’ve been busier than a one-armed paper hanger this week! It is simply not fair! I’m expected to work during the hours I’m at my office. Ridiculous! Oh, well, as my boss likes to say, “that’s why you get paid the big bucks!” HAHA
I think Holly is gone for good, just like my good friend, Kathleen “Texas is a boil on the ass of humanity” Lees from the blue bastion of Missouri.
She falsely accused Debbie Riddle of referring to public education as a “tool of the devil.”
Unfortunately for Kathleen, she was never able to provide the source of Ms. Riddle’s remark when I challenged her.
Like most liberals, once confronted with facts, they just go away.
Indeed!! (;
Congratulations on your W!
BTW, if as they say misery loves company , I too have to work for tyrants that actually insist on me showing up AND working too!! So darn inconvenient!
It’s as you said a minute ago, an evil plot of the only group that can be readily and openly castigated by the ‘tolerant’ crowd: those icky caucasians peoplz!!! PC motto:’everything is messsed up ‘cuz whitey made it that way!
Note to self: *scribbling*……..next life I’m going to arrange to be independently wealthy, and forego the whole work experience. it is sooooooo over-rated!!
PBFloyd
#54
Thanks! Sometimes I go for days, hiding from work, but it always catches up with me!
Unfortunately, I am independently poor! As Big45Iron once said, “It’s nothing that winning the lottery wouldn’t cure!”
Neo: Absolutely concur!!!
I don’t have a single problem that a couple million bucks wouldn’t solve right now!!
There’s something obscene bout working as hard as I do to be this poor.
In fact, I’m so poor that when I went to apply for a loan the other day to buy a car, they wouldn’t even loan me a pencil to fill out the form!!!
O:
PBFloyd
I’m so poor I can’t pay attention!
Actually, I’m saving all my money to support illegals who need me to survive! I’ve tried to get my senators and legislators to declare me illegal so I can get free health care, free schooling, never have to pay for anything. I hope I make it soon!
I want to become legally illegal so I can finally get something free!
vlou
#58
If you can make it happen, let all of us know what you did!
#57 Neo: Guess it’s back to the salt mines for us then tomorrow!! ):
C’mon, where’s your patriotism?? Someone has to pay for people that are here to sponge off the fat of the land. Gonna have to work on gettin’ that ‘tude in order! (;
Well, hope everybody has a good Friday, all the same! Time for a weeeeeeeeekend!!!