What, no fishing?

ding… first!

(couldn’t resist…lol)

d’oh!

You guys stay up WAY too late at night!

When is Hastert going to get serious about this page problem? It is clear that he needs to supoena all emails and IM’s from all members of Congress, just to be safe and protect these helpless pages.

On a side issue, I’m very curious to see the emails and IM’s from the socialists that infest our Congress.Here’s a website that lists the socialists. {click on members}
http://bernie.house.gov/website/leavesite.asp?url=http://cpc.lee.house.gov/

#4 aggie_daddy
Or perhaps you get up way too early?

#4 Oops. I respect ALL Aggies. Of course you get up early and seize the day! aggie_daddy SIR! Have a great one! Thank you for you and your Aggie’s commitment to tradition and greatness.

Happy Friday!

While Matt visits my homestate, I’ll be returning to Houston from work, woohoo.

http://custosfidei.blogspot.com/2006/10/who-brought-cat.html

Enjoy.

Tito

Any takers on what this week’s October Suprise will be (they drop on Friday afternoons)?

I say it will be pics of a GOP get-a-way on a Montana sheep ranch.

Wipeout.

You suspect there has been a lot of hard drive cleaning going on in congress?

Heard on a lib talk show (Shultz?) yesterday that the Foley stuff was to get Woodward book off the front pages. LOL.

So much for a fence: Border Fence Unlikely

It is so frustrating to see politicians lie without blinking an eye so that we will vote for them. All the while knowing that they will not do what they say during campaigns.

Sometimes, I think we know it too and have just accepted it as if it were a game.

Show of hands… How many of you actually think a fence on our side of the Rio Grande will work? How many landowners want the view of the Rio Grande blocked by that wall?

How about using the Texas border as a training ground for our battlefield surveillance equipment? Naw… that would make too much sense…

The border fence will work in NM and AZ and in some locations in CA, but along a river… nope, not gonna work.

I’m glad that Matt is having fun in my birthplace - Hawaii..he deserves a break. All that sand in his hair, ears, and between his toes…gritty.

#13 mike those folks dont know for sure a fence will be built yet.

seems to me you could secure the boarder with the guard that had bullets untill we could train enough border patrol.

we are already hearing there is not enough migrate workers to pick the crops in california - geez!

i believe we have enough folks on welfare wic lonestar to do the job - but hey what do i know.

there are also touting that soc sec and medicare is short of funds. but they let the illegals draw soc sec and medicaid. i dont want to hear from one politician about the shortage of funds in soc sec and medicare because of this fact.

these people have know about this condition for years and when they say soc sec and medicare are short they will be babbling to the crowd and i wont listen.

#13

Whether it works or not is not my point. My point is that the pols LIE to us by saying that they are doing it, knowing full well that they are not. There are very good arguments that a fence will indeed work but again, not my point.

BTW, have you seen the Rio Grande lately? Methinks quite a few landowners wouldn’t mind the fence.

They are gonna drag it out until TTC opens up. This will mean open borders with Mexico, USA, and Canada….Why waste fence money when they aren’t gonna need it in a few years?

Haha, we aren’t the only ones with an illegal immigrant problem: Russia to deport illegals

Russia has cut transport and postal links with Georgia and stopped issuing visas to Georgians. It has also banned major Georgian exports to Russia and raided Georgian businesses in Moscow.

Friday’s deportations followed an order given on Wednesday by Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, to tighten controls on illegal migrants.

Of course, money is involved:

Up to a million Georgians live and work in Russia, and their earnings are important to Georgia’s economy.

Sound familiar?

just visit a boarder city on soc sec check day. they all cross the boarder to go to the po boxes in the usa to pick up their checks and go back to mexico.

check day is one of the most busy days for boarder crossings.

I guess Hastert thought when he backed the Dems with William Jefferson Democrat LA they would play nice and fair with him. The Republicans make the same mistake over and over and expect different outcomes. GWB does the same thing. Throw them all out.

At least with the Dems you know what you are going to get and can plan for it.

Dow,

I have no doubt that some of what you say is true, but Mexico and several of the other Central American countries are very favorable places to retire for citizens of the USA.

Simple

RINO ALERT FORT BEND COUNTY. The Chron, Neighborhood News section featuring Fort Bend County, Thursday October 5, 2006, Z15:p.7
Headline “County hires lobbyists for Texas Legislature.”

County Judge Bob Hebert defends county funds (i.e., our taxes) being spent to lobby against us in the Leg. “‘Every Texan is endangered when the Legislature is in session as numerous bills pass through,’ Hebert said.” Yep, and guess who the biggest endangering offenders are.

The budget is not to exceed $84,000 for a year’s worth of “legislative services” provided by two Austin lobbyists. A particular interest is lobbying against “revenue caps” (aha, the evil appraisal cap rollback) with no adequate provision to fund services…. Yes, and the unfunded state mandates, you know. Cue the violins.

Mind you, the FB Commissioners voted themselves large pay raises recently, and all but one are Republicans. Er, RINOs. They also belong to the Texas Association of Counties and Texas Conference of Urban Counties according to the Chron story. That means our tax dollars pay the dues to organizations that lobby against us.

Time for a CLOUT alert.

Happy Friday Infidels

#21 i know several americans have retired there but its still no excuse that our politicians give our money away for these purposes.

i would agree on allowing the boarder pass for work if we had no welfare in this country - ala refugees from new orleans etc.

How about those Texas Public School graduation rates? Administrators/teachers manipulating test scores(aka cheating), exempting poor performing students from tests, passing scores less than 50%, publishing fraudulent graduation rates, $80,000,000 venues - what’s not to like about our public schools? Damned, whiny taxpayers.

#23 same to you also!

has anyone tried to convert you yet?

no one walks up my driveway cause there is a sign that says protected by smith and wesson halfway up the driveway.

Any of you in Cy-Fair go to the meeting last nite?

Why aren’t the Democrats standing up for Foley’s lifestyle?? Could it be because he’s a Republican?? Why isn’t the liberal media standing up for Foley?? Could it also be because he is a Republican. So Foley could solve all his problems by becoming a Democrat!!! There have been others change parties in mid stream, why not Foley that way he can get his job back!!!!

#20
Cheeze Cutter

Hastert is under fire from his own team who are trying to show the Dems what good guys we are.

At least with the Dems you know what you are going to get and can plan for it.

Yah…

I know what I’m going to get if a hurricane hits landfall south of Galveston and I plan for it.

I plan for the probability that my house becomes a pile of matchsticks scattered over the prairie.

Knowing that Democrats would do figuratively the same thing to my country—I realy don’t feel like planning for that. It’s not really the recommended result for any kind of “plan”—not any that make sense anyway.

#30

Besides if you are part of the GOP, you get memos telling you where the next hurricane is going to hit, or which buildings planes are going to fly into.

I don’t wanna talk about Foley today. Anybody got any other dead equines that they want to drag out?

Here’s a change of topic. We always ask where the so-called moderate Muslims are, and why they aren’t speaking out. Well, here’s one. Let’s hope she lives long enough to make a difference…

Syrian-American: Islam needs transformation

Psychologist Wafa Sultan tells Danish television: We as Muslims are hostages of our own religion

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3311800,00.html

Excerpts:

“Islam in its modern state is a prison for Muslims worldwide, Syrian-American psychologist Wafa Sultan told Danish TV channel DR2 in an interview last week.

“We as Muslim people have been hostages of our own belief system for too many centuries. We have been hostages of our own prison. We have never heard other voices outside of our box. We are not used to hearing other voices. We barely are allowed to hear our own voices,” Sultan said.

During her now famous debate with an Islamic cleric on al-Jazeera in March 2006, Sultan said the clash between the West and Islam was “a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings.”

SNIP

Asked if Islam had a role to play in the modern world, Sultan said: “I’m going to say it directly… I don’t believe Islam can be reformed, I really don’t. I believe Islam shall be transformed, and it will take fearless religious leaders and very well educated people to cause that transformation. If Islam was transformed absolutely, it will have a role to play.”

Now that is a BRAVE woman!

#27 - I was there. CFISD is going to raise the rate, it’s only a question of how much (1.35 to 1.37)

#33………….Well it’s about freakin TIME that at least one Muslim with a reality grip said somthin!

(hopefully she won’t wind up sleepin with the fishes!)

Here is a link about the real cost of illegal immigration.
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

#36 thanks for the link.

but that site made me wanna either puke or shoot some politicians!

http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2006/10/middle-east-history-in-90-seconds.html

Damfine illustration of the history of the Middle East

#36 following a link they say california has to now build a elementary school everyday to keep up with the illegals.

folks texas is next on this. we cant keep this up.

Tito will understand this. Anybody else who lived in Hawaii will to!

Patricio lived in Kalihi. One afternoon he is reading The Honolulu Advertiser and sees a pork sale in Kailua.

Just right kine for lichon. So he takes ‘Da Bus’ to Kailua as it was getting dark. By the time he bought the pork, ‘Da Bus’ was no longer running so he had to walk back to Kalihi.

It was dark and foggy, and no MO moon. So he starts walking up the Pali. As he is walking up the Pali with his bag of pork he sees one car coming an den stop. Without thinking he gets in the car and closes the door. Only then did he realize nobody stay behind the wheel!

The car starts very slowly. Patricio looks at the road and sees one curve coming up. Scared, he starts to pray, “Our Pahder who art in Heben…”, begging for his life. He hasn’t come out of shock when just before the car hits the curve, a hand appears from out of the fog, comes thru the window, and turns DA wheel!

Patricio, paralyzed with terror, watches how the hand appears every time they approach a curve. He gathers all his strength, grabs his package of pork, gets out of the slow moving car, and runs like hell over the Pali all the way to Kalihi.

Sweating and in shock he stops at a Korean bar, orders two shots of whiskey, and starts telling everybody about the terrifying experience he just had. The place goes quiet when they realize Patricio was crying and wasn’t even drunk.

About two hours later two Samoans walk into the same bar and one says to the other, “Heh, Tuvesi, dat’s DA buggah who wen jump in DA ka when
we was pushin’ um!”

What we need is a trunk monkey;
http://allowe.com/Humor/video/TrunkMonkey1.wmv

152294

Or this;
http://allowe.com/Humor/video/TrunkMonkey3.wmv
TGIF!!! 3 Day weekend!

Squawk - what’s with the numbers?

#26 No….I’m protected by the Blood of Christ and Allah is still dead

Debbie Schlussel has a good piece on how ICE wastes our tax dollars on week long parties, but then doesn’t have the money to go to Okla for a discussion regarding immigration. I don’t know how to link to just that on her blog, so go here and down a few subjects.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

David,

Did Matt and Redzilla get married and are honeymooning in Hawaii? Seems not that long ago, when he said he was looking for a ring.

46
Neo, here’s a tip. You can go the the bottom of a story on a website and click Trackback. That will move the story to the top of the webpage….giving you the ability to copy the url and provide a link to that story as it originally appeared.

48
Neo, keep in mind all websites don’t work in the same fashiopn as descibed in my #48. For instance, Michelle Malkins site does not. On her site, a window pops up and gives you the original URL of the story.

#49 oooooooooooooooooShannon hunny your exciting when yer all techie n stuff!!

#40

Did the two Samoans pound on da book book? O mebe dey went fo anuda round of whiskey!

50
Well even a blind hog finds an acorn one-in-a-while.
I assure you I know this Trackback stuff only by trial and error.
Matt and the Dudester and others around here would be a more informed authority on such matters.

Signed,
1955 Relic of the pre-computer age

2 Old Gals

Two old ladies are outside their nursing home, having a drink and a smoke, when it starts to rain. One of the old ladies pulls out a condom, cuts off the end, puts it over her cigarette, and continues smoking.

Maude: What in the heck is that?

Mabel: A condom. This way my cigarette doesn’t get wet.

Maude: Where did you get it?

Mabel: You can get them at any drugstore.

The next day, Maude hobbles herself into the local drugstore and announces to the pharmacist that she wants a box of condoms.

The pharmacist, obviously embarrassed, looks at her kind of strangely (she is after all, over 80 years of age), but very delicately asks what brand of condom she prefers.

“Doesn’t matter Sonny, as long as it fits on a Camel.”

The pharmacist fainted.

Smacktle wins the moldy oldie joke of the day award. I heard that joke when I was his height.

That good old Democrat culture of corruption:

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_278135950.html

#55…………..you mean Al Franken couldn’t sell his wonderful ‘wit’ all by hisself??

Imagine dat!!

Democratic candidate lies about being a lawyer.

http://www.tfponline.com/QuickHeadlines.asp?sec=l&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fepaper%2Ewehco%2Ecom%2FWebChannel%2FShowStory%2Easp%3FPath%3DChatTFPress%2F2006%2F10%2F06%26ID%3DAr00903

Democratic U.S. Senate hopeful Harold Ford Jr. referred to himself as a lawyer earlier this week, but the congressman has not passed the bar exam.

Michael Powell, senior adviser to the Ford campaign, said U.S. Rep. Ford took the Tennessee bar exam in February 1997 and failed. He said that was the only time Rep. Ford has taken the test.

Rep. Ford, of Memphis, got his law degree from the University of Michigan Law School in 1996, according to his congressional Web site.

more in the story itself. but is that really a surprise

A harbinger of things to come in this country?? With elements of the Mexican Reconquista joining in?? How soon will HPD be requesting armoured vehicles??

Radical Muslims in France’s housing estates are waging an undeclared “intifada” against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.

As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were “in a state of civil war” with Muslims in the most depressed “banlieue” estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin.

It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the estates, which are becoming no-go zones.

General Motors has announced that due to the success of it’s Onstar system it has expanded it. Here is the latest commercial for their newest product here

58
The second amendment is the ONLY thing we have going for us. As opposed to the French.

Anyone go to the Greek Festival last night?

Between the dance performances, they had an ongoing “presentation/skit” on video about a Greek immigrant, Niko, coming to the US. Niko was a carefree, happy-go-lucky Greek who just wanted to dance all the time in full traditional costume. I had to step out, but when I came back the narrator was describing Niko’s first encounter with law enforcement, “Texas Style” (or something like that) Well, the story goes on to show Niko not being able to show proper ID so the officer puts him in handcuffs and hauls him off to jail. (Close-up of handcuffs being put on Niko). At that point we walked out.

Maybe I’m overly sensative to the whole immigrant/officer interaction given recent events. Mabye I missed something when I stepped out and/or it was explained/resolved after I left. Maybe I’m just jumping the gun on this, but it really bothered me. I’m open to thoughts about

Crap. Please disregard my last post!
Here’s the edited version. I’m so lame.

Anyone go to the Greek Festival last night?

I did and I’m bothered by something. Between the dance performances, they had an ongoing “presentation/skit” on video about a Greek immigrant, Niko, coming to the US. Niko was a carefree, happy-go-lucky Greek who just wanted to dance all the time - in full traditional costume. I had to step out, but when I came back the narrator was describing Niko’s first encounter with law enforcement, “Texas Style” (or something like that). Well, the story goes on to show Niko not being able to show proper ID, so the officer puts him in handcuffs and hauls him off to jail. (Close-up of handcuffs being put on Niko). At that point I walked out.

Maybe I’m overly sensitive to the whole immigrant/officer interaction theme given recent events. Maybe I missed something when I stepped out and/or it was explained/resolved after I left. Perhaps I’m just jumping the gun and I’m narrow-minded, but it really bothered me. It seemed inappropriate and showed poor judgment. I almost felt they had a not-so-hidden agenda. If so, I really do not want to go back in the future. I can get Greek food, drink and merchandise all over Houston. I don’t care about those things. I come to experience the culture, see the costumes and watch the performances. But if they are going to be showing this kind of stuff, I’m not interested. I can get that in the MSM.

Is it just me? Really, am I going overboard? Was anyone else there who got a different interpretation? Did I miss something???

#59…………….baaaaaaaahahahahahahahaHHAHAHAHAHA

#58

The French should just leave these poor people alone. I mean they are peaceful people and if the French don’t bother them they will not bother the French.

I can’t believe the French attacked them in the first place.

………….*FRIDAY FUNNY’S*

REDNECK MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY

Benign - What you be, after you be eight.
Artery - The study of paintings
Bacteria - Back door to cafeteria
Barium - what doctors do when patients die
Cesarean section - a neighborhood in Rome
Cat scan - searching for kitty
Cauterize - made eye contact with her
Colic - a sheep dog
coma- a punctuation mark
D & C - Where Washington is
Dilate - to live long
Enema - Not a friend
Fester - quicker than someone else
Fibula - a small lie
Genital - a non-Jewish person
GI series - world series of military baseball
Hangnail - what you hang your coat on
Impotent - distinguished, well-known
Labor pain - getting hurt at work
medical staff - a doctor’s cane
Morbid - a higher offer
Nitrates - cheaper than day rates
Node - I knew it
Outpatient - a person who has fainted
Pap Smear - A fatherhood test
Pelvis - second cousin to Elvis
Post Operative - a letter carrier
Recovery room - place to do upholstery
Rectum - darn near killed him
Secretion - hiding something
Seizure - a Roman emperor
Tablet - a small table
Terminal Illness - getting sick at the airport
Tumor - one plus one more
Urine - opposite of you’re out
Varicose - nearby / close by

So you think that you’re fast huh? Try this and let me know how well that you do. scorehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf

#54 Squawkbox

I didn’t realize they made condoms that far back, but then I came across this:

http://www.ripnroll.com/condomhistory.htm

http://www.citizensforethics.org/filelibrary/FoleyEmailExchangeUpdated1.pdf

Just for the sake of keeping everyone informed, and so they can make a judgement based on the facts, that is the “emails” recieved by the FBI, the news organizations, and the Speaker that is supposed to be the evidence that the Republicans “covered up” Foley’s perversion. It’s also the ones referred to by Rep. Boehenr and other persons. Since it was one file, I had assumed it was one mail.

The first 3 mails are from the young man and his identity has been redacted by whoever faxed the hard copy. Foley’s mails start at page 4. There are no copies of any mail sent to Foley from the yong man.

Pages 5, 6, & 7 have both the dates of the mail, and the originator redacted. These are the ones mentioned that are not orignal copies of the email, they have been retyped and sent with the subject line “email2, email3,” etc.

Judge for yourself whether or not this is 100% incontrovertible evidence that you yourself would act upon if you had no other information.

A couple of things to note:

1. The date of the original e-mail in the header of each.

2. The date at the top of the page. It’s a date stamp from a fax machine. Note that the emails shown in the file start with Page 2 of the fax. This is assumed to be the date on which CREW got the hard copy of the email faxed to them, which they then forwarded on to the FBI, butt hrere is nothing on these mails that shows the orignating and sendinf fax numbers, so it is possible that a hard copy of the fax was made then snail mailed, scanned and emailed, or hand carried to CREW.

3. The date at the bottom of the page. This is the date when the hard copy was printed.

The FBI says that these emails sent to them by CREW were “heavily redacted” and could not use them to follow up an investigation. CREW says the FBI is lying. CREW and others claim this is evidence that the FBI is complicit in the coverup. Some have claimed that it was Alberto Gonzales who directed them to not investigate. You be the judge as to what “heavily redacted” means and wheter these mails fit that description, or whether ther is enough information on them that would give you a direction to go in for an investigation.

What is clear is that there was a span of several weeks between the date of the original mails and the date they were printed to hard copy, then nearly a year before they were faxed.

We need to know who had them for that period of time, but we need more to know who had the Instant Messages that had incontrovertible proof, and they are not part of this file, nor were they sent to any news or law enforcement agency until a week ago today.

I’m not putting these here for discussion. Just so that you all know what evidence is being used to say that the House Republican Leadership covered up the shameful acts of Mark Foley. some of the comments made her recently have led me to believe that not everybody has actually read the same evidence Speaker Hastert had.

BTW…just so you know. I;ve never been a fan of Hastert, and I’d much rather have seen someone else int at postion. But I’ve never liked it when someone, anyone, is unfairly accused of despicable crimes and actions without proof, and will speak up on thier behalf everytime I see it…no matter who they are.

Dang! I’ll try again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf

The 2006 Ig noble awards for scientific research were handed out yesterday. Check it out…

http://www.improbable.com/ig/ig-pastwinners.html#ig2006

Anybody know where I can find that Foley fella?

#70 bw thats hilarious. Of course dung beetles are finicky eaters. If all they eat is dung it must be the primo stuff.

Good link Sarge. As those emails show, there is plenty of room for doubt as to whether or not Hastert and/or his staff had sufficient knowledge of these to warrant any kind of action. What we have is essentially “he said… she said…” at this point. There is even more room for doubt in the matter of the IMs.

I’m not trying to reignite the debate from last night either. What I am going to do is again point out that there is an underlying rift in the Republican party that the Foley “scandal” is only a symptom of. Obviously, neither of us can say for sure what the end result of that will be.

I do feel very confident though in saying that the rift will manifest itself in other ways in the future. The Foley symptom may or may not go away. We will probably never know the whole truth there even when the dust settles.

When I talk about this rift, I hope you realize I’m not buying into the “Republican culture of corruption”. I’m simply recognizing that Repubs can’t be all things to all people. You can’t please all the people all the time. What we’re seeing is the effect of Republicans trying to do exactly that. You have to recognize a problem before you can fix it.

Federal deficit drops to $250 Billion even lower than expected

The federal budget estimate for the fiscal year just completed dropped to $250 billion, congressional estimators said Friday, as the economy continues to fuel impressive tax revenues.
The Congressional Budget Office’s latest estimate is $10 billion below CBO predictions issued in August and well below a July White House prediction of $296 billion.

The improving deficit picture _ Bush predicted a $423 billion deficit in his February budget _ has been driven by better-than-expected tax receipts, especially from corporate profits, CBO said.

#69
On my last try I had all five with a spread of 0.007 s. Don’t know how fast you have to be to get over Bobbing Bobcat.

#69…………….average of 0.02762

Bobbin Bobcat must be damn fast!

( I dang near drove my mouse down thry the wood on my desk!)

Katfish
Sure you didn’t miss a decimal? My average was 0.241 s. You got those sheep at 2 hundredths of a second??

#77……………..oh ok………..”extra zero”

DECEASED EQUINE ALERT:

FWIW, the other day I posted that the server IP of the fake blog Stop Sex Predators that started all this had been traced to Royal Oak Michigan. I believe that dude mentioned this narrow the list of IPs that would identify the owner to 256 possibilites.

Ace of Spades HQ is reporting:

People with the same names as John Conyer’s Detroit office staffers just happen to have addresses in neighboring upscale suburb Royal Oak, Michigan.

May mean something. May mean nothing.

I’d post the list, but I don’t know, seems sort of an invasion of privacy given this is all just a hunch of a fishing expedition at this point.

Conyers is the Congressman who will be in line for a Chairmanship and has pledged that one of his first acts will be to begin Impeachment hearings on the President.

I do feel very confident though in saying that the rift will manifest itself in other ways in the future. The Foley symptom may or may not go away. We will probably never know the whole truth there even when the dust settles.

I’m not sure why waiting until one has actual evidence of actual wrong doing before taking any punitive action against anybody BY anybody, anywhere, is a “symptom” of anything other than being fair.

What, exactly is the “Foley symptom”?

Why would it be a “symptom” of a “Republican problem” if the people of florida elected a gay Republican?

Should the REpublican Party have moved to “unelected” him…and just how would they go about legally changing the results of any election?

I got a bobbin bobcat (after 3 tries!)

#75 & #76
I couldn’t get past bobcat either. It would take someone with “super” extraordinary reflexes to do that.
I can line four quarters on top of my forearm, starting at my wrist and every three inches or so place another, toss them all up in the air at the same time and catch them ONE at a time ONE (palm facing downward and closing your hand each time you grab one)before any hit the ground pretty much on a regular basis. I thought I was pretty quick! Just try that with two, then three quarters to see how “easy” it is. Be sure your in a place that you can retrieve the quarters and the boss isn’t looking!

#79,

Actually Sarge, within that 256 range were several proxy servers. So while it could have been Conyers it could just as easily have been a kid in Bangalore.

#80,

By “symptom” you know exactly what I mean. Yes, waiting until all the evidence is in is certainly fair. No argument there.

If you deny that having a homosexual man elected to a postion of authority within the Republican party represents a conflict of ideals, then you’re ignoring reality. After our discussion the other day (concerning the same), both Big45Iron and marc reinforced what I said.

That, my friend, is the Foley symptom. Namely, a Republican party that tries to represent both the religious right conservatives and libertarian conservatives simultaneously. It worked for a while (on issues which are mutually beneficial) but it can’t and won’t work forever, at least not in its’ current form.

So let’s throw the question out there again. Of you LST readers who consider yourselves strictly religious, how many of you find it acceptable to have a homosexual in a highly influential position in the Republican party that could impact legislation? Please remember, before you answer, that this is the party that sold themselves to you as purveyors of family values.

Of course I’m not saying Foley should have been unelected. That’s absurd. But denying that it’s indicative of a conflict of ideals is absurd also.

Oops, forgot my average time - 0.2374 bobbin bobcat.

83 dude
Unacceptable

And that is after 2 glasses of wine at my birthday lunch! Life is good!

Big45Iron Says:
October 4th, 2006 at 5:16 pm
Until the majority of homosexuals can make babies without the help of members of the opposite sex, then I’ll consider them just like us. Sorry, just because it’s legal doesn’t make it right or moral. Some want to confuse legal and illegal with right and wrong, or moral and immoral. Just because somebody is a hypocrite, that doesn’t invalidate the principle. It used to be considered perfectly legal to own slaves, and to beat your slaves and your wife. That didn’t make any of those things right or moral. What we have by allowing homosexuality and abortion is just another slipping down the rung to a society that will allow anything, including partial birth abortion and euthanasia of the elderly or sick. Not for me. I’ll rail against it, I’ll support those who want it criminalized. And I’ll never change just to make somebody feel better about themselves. How can you feel better about a lifestyle that gives you a life expenctacy of 8 to 20 years less than the norm in Western countries alone. Nothing to be gay about there.

marc Says:
October 4th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
164, Big,

I am a Christian. God said that men on men and woman on woman was sin. Think Sodom and Gomora (sp), and God’s response would make us believe that he is not happy with such acts now.

Gays offend me. This will never change.

Shannon’s #85 makes three unacceptable votes so far.

Vote early, vote often.

Dude;

I will agree that there are people in the Republican Party who feel as you do about homosexuals. To deny so would be foolish.

But I don’t think that you represent the majority of Conservaives, or the majority of Republicans, and certainly not the majority of Americans. And I think that those who consider it an issue that overrides all others is even smaller still.

I would compare the numbers of folks in the Republican Party who think is is one of the most important issues that make them vote REpublican is about equal to those in the Demcrat Party who are Anti-Abortion.

Does this mean there is a schism in the Democrat Party that means it needs to eat its yojng and lose an election to “rebuild”?

Hardly.

Gee…

3 out of 10,000 unique vistors a day……

Just curious, Sarge…and for clarity’s sake…You are saying that the percentage of Republican voters that would oppose openly gay leadership is roughly equal to the percentage of anti-abotion Democrats? If so, I would respectfully disagree.

ok…

I’ll toos this out to those of you who consider yourselves strictly conservative:

If a candidate has demonstrated that he will vote to lower taxes, lower spending, make government smaller, is strong on National Defense and the Global War on Terror…but is gay, would you refuse to vote for that candidate based soley on his sexuality?

#88,

Whoa!!! Strawman Alert!!!

Did I say I thought it was an issue that overrides all others or even one of the most important issues?

I simply asked who found it acceptable.

It is one of many issues. If you think it’s limited to the homosexuality issue you haven’t been paying too much attention to our revenue taxing, no appraisal cap governor lately.

Sahhno;

How would you answer the question I put?

Sarge,
from earlier. We hear all this doom and gloom if the Dems get back in power. Ok, did you survive Clinton and the Dems in power?

Seriously, so they raise the min wage. Big deal. They tax people who make $300K and up. Big deal. They bring the kids home from Iraq. Big deal. They start talking to N.Korea, Iran, Venezuela, France. Big friggin deal. Abortion is still legal. We still have nutjobs on the left coast. The sun will still rise. Neither party will do anything about the illegals. The Republicans haven’t done jack shiite as far as I can tell except start a few billion dollar wars and make Halliburton a lot of money, oh they cut my taxes about $200 but the high cost of fuel ate that up the first week. Osama is still running around, Iraq is a terrorist training camp. Afghanistan will be Taliban in a few years. Pakistan is about ready to implode.

The cries of wolf are getting old. I am not impressed with what the Republicans have done the last 10 years.

A little brain sex quiz for all

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml?users=1

Dude:

I’m asking a question that wojld more properly define where the majority of conservatives place the sexuality of it;s candidates in their list of priorites.

that is the only way to determine if the “schism” you say exosts is large enough of a “rift” to evventuate a need to “rebuild” the party because of it.

#91,

I wouldn’t, but does such a candidate exist?

BTW, your rejection of my claim is an example of:

Relativist Fallacy

The Relativist Fallacy is committed when a person rejects a claim by asserting that the claim might be true for others but is not for him/her. This sort of “reasoning” has the following form:

1. Claim X is presented.

2. Person A asserts that X may be true for others but is not true for him/her.

3. Therefore A is justified in rejecting X.

They bring the kids home from Iraq. Big deal.

Yup…biggest freaking deal that exists today that would lead to very, very, very bad things happening to people in this and other countries.

I don;t know about you, but handing a victory over to our enenmies IS a big freaking deal to me.

Dude;

You contention is that allowing a gay man to be in the Republican Party and/or among Conservatives represents a “schism” that must be repaired.

THAT is a straw man—and it now where at all represents the feelings of the greater majority of Conservatives and Republicans.

All I see yo doing now is attemtping to perpetuate a Myth of the Left and cheerleading for the Demmcrats.

Ther may be a need to get more real, true Conservatives into the Leadership of the Party…but sexuality doesn’t have anything to do with how you feel this country should be goverend, or how you would govern it.

We’ve got one hell of a ot of heterosexual RINOS whom I would gladly replace with a conservaive Gay person—any freaking day.

Who would you vote for if a Conservative Gay man was running against Rick Perry?

Balder-freaking-dash.

93 Sarge
No, I could not vote for that person.
Like marc, I am a Christian. The Word clearly stands opposed to acting on homoerotic desire.

Sarge, according to your spouse the Iraq war is being run by “Idiots”. That would be Republicans.

How many more kids will die? Your spouse says she will not let her son go back to that mess. Guess you know something she doesnt. 13 US soldiers died yesterday and probably more will die today. My guess is most of the Iraqi police and army we are training are working for the militias too. Or should I say “death squads” You just hang in there old fella.

Sarge,

As I said to Soldier Mom in another thread in another part of the blogosphere, I may not reach the same conclusions as you or even agree with you, but you do make me think, and for that I appreciate you. Got to get back to drawing pictures to make my bread. That’s definitely something we have in common. Have a good one, Sarge.

And when you couched your question in terms of relgiousity rather than poltics, you presented the logical fallacy.

Neither the Republican party, not the conservative movement is inherently relgious. It is not a political philosophy, not a religion.

Christians of all stripes and deniominations are attracted to conservativism beacuse it embodies many, but not all, of what thier core relgious beleifs tell them…but there are an equal amount of religious people among Democrats as well. Of the two, parties, many people who consider themselves religious feels that the Republican party reflects thier idea of “morality,” and that is really the only way that relgion plays into the greater body of conservative thought.

The tnings that truly separate the two parties are not issues of relgiousity, but matters of politics.

Cheesy

Like Generals, married people have disagreements.

She also said she’d never let him go back after his first deployment.

If my wife disagreeing with me (or you, or anybody else) is evidence that I (or you, or anybody else) is (are) wrong about everything.

show of hands:

Who here has a wife that agrees with him on every issue?

um…that actually should read:

If my wife disagreeing with me (or you, or anybody else) is evidence that I (or you, or anybody else) is (are) wrong about something then I (you, or anybody else) is (are) wrong about everything.

Sahhnon;

What does the Word have to say about politics and goverenance.

My reading is:

“Render unto Ceasar what is his, and unto God what belongs to him.”

The Bible, to me, is an instruction book on personal behavior–not on how to judge others. I beleive that job description belongs to a higher pay grade than any mortal can occupy.

103
I don’t disagree with you there, Sarge. As a Christian, though, there are some issues that I cannot compromise on when deciding whether an individual gets my vote. I believe this has been the subject of numerous conversations here on LST.

Who here has a wife that agrees with him on every issue?

Now that is IS funny.

Lets see a show of hands, how many of you would give your son or daughters life for a slim and fleeting chance of a democracy in Iraq? F Iraq, not my kids.

#108

1. I do not see it as a slim fleeting chance. I see it as a task that must be completed and one we cannot afford to fail in doing.

2. The fanatics (TERRORIST) must be confronted.

3. I would be proud for my son or daughter to serve. No I would not want them killed but I would understand the necessity if it were to happen.

4. If we do not confront the terrorist in Iraq now, when and where do we confront them?

5. Do you actually believe that if we walk away from Iraq that they will go home and terroize no more?

SOB of Cheese
If my kids decide to join the service knowing full well that they could end up in Iraq, I would not stop them.

SOBoC

I have raised my kids to make informed decisions and base theior lives on their decisions. Would I try to talk them out of it. NOPE.

#108……..IMHO the more pertinent question is how many are you willing to sacrifice right HERE in your own neighborhood because you brought the ones home from THERE too soon?

Sadly you very well may get to answer that and NOT in a blog but rather up close and personally……..

Sure, Shannon;

I don’t begrudge you your opinion, your personal definition of what your relationship with god is, or how you take that into your personal or poltical life.

I just don’t think you represent the majority of Republicans or conservatives, people with whom you agree with more often than not, and with whom you have other disagreemtns, I am sure.

There are, for instance, a lot more people who would otherwise vote for Democrats if the wer not predominatly Pro-Abortion.

BUT—-you can’t say that because a gay man occupies an elected postion who belongs to one party or another makes that party inherently Pro-Gay.

The Republican Party is not pro-Gay, but it;s not Anti-Gay either.

There is a guy on the left–David Corn—who runs a website that claims to a “The List” of persons in Washington who are either elected Republicans or are staffers in the offices of elected Republicans, and he occasionally threatens to “out” them.

This has pissed off a lot of gay people who have been supporting the Democrats. Their opinion is that if a man is gay, it’s nobody’s business whther he wants to make it public or not, and to make such threats is just so much gay bashing. he has been using this threat b/c he thinks that Christians will abandon the Republican Party if it is revealed that it is not 100% heterosexual. here’s what one guy has to say about that:

http://freealabamastan.blogspot.com/2006/10/foleygate-day-8-let-backlash-begin.html

This won’t have the intended effect. It will have the exact opposite effect.

What the Queer Smear squads don’t realize is that Christian conservatives are decent, honorable … and, well, Christian people. They truly do “hate the sin, but love the sinner.”

The folks at FRC, AFM and CWA — to say nothing of the Southern Baptists and Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagle Forum — aren’t going to sacrifice good conservative people because of attacks from a bunch of hate-filled socialist character assassins.

The Democrats have now gone to far. The pendulum is swinging back, conservatives are rallying to the cause, and this Queer Smear tactic may yet prove to be the blunder that costs Democrats the election.

Democrats have been hanging the accusation that the Republicans should have known Foley was going to sexually victimize children because he was gay—and are counting on christians to turn on the party–based on the fact that just about everybody in Washington knew he was gay.

They are hypocrites of the highest order because of it, IMHO.

Let me put it another way.
If I could guarantee Iraq would be a Democracy and all the terrorists there now would die in exchange for your son or daughters life would you give that up.
Call it a deal with the devil. Well, whats it gonna be? How committed are you? Deal or no deal!

A great photo of perry’s tax commission

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14769449/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/6/