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31 Responses to “The Verdict Is In GUILTY”
  1. JJMTZ on November 5th, 2006 at 9:20 am

    I can’t wait to see him swing.

  2. jimb on November 5th, 2006 at 10:13 am

    I don’t think I’ll be rejoicing over Saddam’s execution, but I do think justice calls for it…

  3. Neocon on November 5th, 2006 at 10:36 am

    JJMTZ

    Don’t hold your breath. He gets an automatic appeal that could last for years. He must, however, be executed within 30 days if the appeals court upholds the judgment. With the amount of time the Iraqis drew out his trial, I don’t expect them to move forward quickly on his appeal. I hope I am wrong.

  4. Neocon on November 5th, 2006 at 10:44 am

    Here is a good fact sheet on the crimes and atrocities committed by Saddam:

    http://www.state.gov/s/wci/fs/19352.htm

  5. Mike S on November 5th, 2006 at 11:17 am

    #4 -

    Here is a good article on our relationship with Saddam while he was executing the atrocities he was convicted off, and afterwards.

    “In March 1982, the US government officially began engaging Saddam Hussein by removing Iraq from the list of state sponsors of terrorism. The official reason was to recognize Iraq’s improved record,4 a claim that a Defense Department official later rebutted in stating, “No one had any doubts about [the Iraqis'] continued involvement in terrorism. . . .”

    “In its effort to engage Iraq, the United States had gone from importing no Iraqi oil before lifting sanctions in 1982, to importing 126 million barrels in 1988.”

    “As a result, in November 1984, after Reagan’s reelection, Washington resumed full diplomatic ties with Baghdad.”

    http://www.army.mil/professionalwriting/volumes/volume1/july_2003/7_03_2v2.html

  6. jimb on November 5th, 2006 at 12:00 pm

    When the choice is one of getting in bed with undeniably horrible people like Saddam the Taliban or what have you or losing literally millions of lives in a direct confrontation of the Soviet Union, what do YOU choose?

    Regardless of what your opinion on the above question is, Saddam needs to be brought to justice. If Iraq imposes the death penalty after a fair trial, then that’s justice…

  7. Jean on November 5th, 2006 at 12:46 pm

    That Judge moved right through the verdict, while that murderous animal tried to disrupt him. I loved it, he was totally ignored!!!
    I think the appeal will move quicker than it does here, these people are pretty serious about getting justice, & sooner the better for the country on this one.
    Neocon- when you consider other war crimes trials this one went really fast. Not to mention several people were slain trying to get it done. I think they moved faster than most expected.

    Did you see where Ramsey Clark got thrown out of Court!! Alrighty, maybe we can that judge to preside over some our lunatics. :)

  8. Mike S on November 5th, 2006 at 1:00 pm

    #6 -

    So in 1982 the victims that Saddam brutalized - and has now been convicted for - were not as important as they are now? They were accepatable collateral damage?

    That is similar reasoning to that which allows GW to consider Paksitan’s peace treaties with those that attacked our nation on 9/11 - and continue to attack coalition troops topday in Afghanistan - as an acceptable choice.

  9. Mike S on November 5th, 2006 at 1:02 pm

    #6 -

    I forgot to ask, what exactly did Iran and the Islamic revolution have to do with the threat from the Soviet Union? Were they not the enemies of Soviet expansion in Afghnaistan at that time?

  10. Al Williams on November 5th, 2006 at 1:57 pm

    saddam’s future…. where else can he go, Detroit?

  11. Al Williams on November 5th, 2006 at 1:58 pm

    oops.. clicky no worky in previous post

  12. JJMTZ on November 5th, 2006 at 3:35 pm

    JIMB, it really doesn’t matter to me if justice calls for rejoicing, when someone as evil as Saddam has his appointment with death, whenever it is, it’s not soon enough and this world, especially the Iraqis, will be better for it.

    I have seen to many deaths in my life happen right in front of me, and my heart hurts for those that did not deserve it, but I will not loose an ounce of sleep over Saddams. He will have to deal with the Lord and His justice is good enough for me, no matter what it is.

  13. Rahman Golddigger38 on November 5th, 2006 at 3:41 pm

    Country is curious no more!
    What I am talking about?
    I am talking about speculation that what Carl Rove has in his sleeves near election we don’t know about.
    Here is your answer!
    Perfect timing , 72 hours before election saddam conviction is announced.
    Not week ago because by 7th November all would be forgotten, not 24 hours ago either because nation needs a little more time to absorb the news.
    Talk about knniving?

  14. Neocon on November 5th, 2006 at 3:55 pm

    Jean
    #7

    Thanks for your perspective. We are so quick to go to trial here, but appeals last 10-12 years! I guess the Iraqis got it right. I’ve been all over the blogs today trying to find out how long the appeals process takes. Some say it could be years and years, while others say it is limited to just 2 months. Execution is 30 days after the appeals process. Since the verdict was unanimous, I personally hope they just get it all over very quickly.

  15. sunny on November 5th, 2006 at 4:56 pm

    Thirty days for the appeal, Neo…and then 30 days after for the execution, I have read. I heard about 30 mins ago on the News here that it is expected he will swing early in the New Year.

    The sooner the better, I say…he’s just taking up space!

  16. Neocon on November 5th, 2006 at 5:28 pm

    Thanks Sunny! That makes me feel ever so much better! ;)

  17. Neocon on November 5th, 2006 at 5:37 pm

    Sunny, this is why I was confused about the time period. This seems a little ambiguous to me.

    Saddam’s chief lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi condemned the trial as a “farce,” claiming the verdict was planned. He said defense attorneys would appeal within 30 days.

    The death sentences automatically go to a nine-judge appeals panel, which has unlimited time to review the case. If the verdicts and sentences are upheld, the executions must be carried out within 30 days.

    A court official told The Associated Press that the appeals process was likely to take three to four weeks once the formal paperwork was submitted.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227574,00.html

  18. jackbauerforpres on November 5th, 2006 at 5:50 pm

    #13 - It amazes me how much power Karl Rove actually has that he can command a verdit in a trial in Iraq at a specific time! I just wish he would use these almighty powers in the US to clear our courts faster!

  19. Neocon on November 5th, 2006 at 6:00 pm

    jackbauerforpres
    #18

    Plus Rove can control all the weather with his weather machine! He KNEW a hurricane would not look good to the Republicans this year, so he didn’t let one happen! Absolutely amazing!

    Rove, you magnificant bastid! ;)

  20. Jean on November 5th, 2006 at 6:05 pm

    #13
    Yeah, so rediculous! I have heard this since it was announced last week that the verdict would come today.
    Think past NYT fog head and think about it! The PM was so nervous about riots they called a lock down on the city! Which still might happen! The idea they would want this BEFORE the election is ludicrous. If more violence broke out it would be worse for GW.
    Get a life. Is that all you think of at time when people (whom you say you care about) who have brutilized have been handed a victory.
    Can younot rejoice at all.

  21. JJMTZ on November 5th, 2006 at 6:16 pm

    #13, It wasn’t Karl Rove, it was the Masons, that insured saddam was convicted right before the election. You see masons are nation builders and right before Sept.11th, G.W. Bush was about to become a mason and had to put it off until he leaves the presidenacy. That is the truth, coz, I ain’t no “golddiger”, I gota “PHD”, (Post Hole Digger)!

  22. vlou on November 5th, 2006 at 6:35 pm

    Timing is everything. I hope they hurry and reach a decision on the appeals and get this behind us. Hang ‘em high!

  23. sunny on November 5th, 2006 at 6:42 pm

    Well, Neo…let’s hope they don’t drag it on and on!

    We will sit and watch their progress. Perhaps they will be quick than our courts and your’s! ;)

  24. sunny on November 5th, 2006 at 6:43 pm

    Try “quicker”! ;)

  25. Neocon on November 5th, 2006 at 6:48 pm

    Sunny

    I am encouraged by what the “court official” said that it would be 3 to 4 weeks. The EU are making a lot of racket that Saddam should not be hanged.
    Typical of those leftist countries.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3324076,00.html

    h/t hotair.com

  26. sunny on November 5th, 2006 at 7:20 pm

    #25…Neocon…Of course there will be those who will kick up a stink about it…bloody Europe just sit on their rear ends on the fence…France, no doubt, will be sprouting forth…let them…I sure as hell am not and will not be listening to their diatribe!

  27. Neocon on November 5th, 2006 at 7:44 pm

    Sunny

    I think the Iraqis will do what they need to do, despite what Europe thinks. After all, they tried Saddam, in their own courts, while the EU was screaming the he be tried by international courts! I trust Iraqis to do what they have to do. They will hang Saddam and they know the sooner the better. They know better than having this international crap build up — they — better than we!

  28. Ken Blair on November 5th, 2006 at 8:53 pm

    Hanging? That’s too good. Get a rusty razor blade.

  29. sunny on November 5th, 2006 at 9:32 pm

    #27…of course they will, Neo…that’s why our forces are over there and what they are fighting for.

  30. jimb on November 5th, 2006 at 11:03 pm

    #8 and 9 -

    So in 1982 the victims that Saddam brutalized - and has now been convicted for - were not as important as they are now? They were accepatable collateral damage?

    I didn’t say that, did I? I said that the route we took resulted in less deaths than directly confronting the Soviets. All deaths are regrettable, but sometimes all you have to pick from are really bad options.

    As far as I know (somebody correct me if I am wrong - I was anywhere from 0 to 18 during the Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41 years), the general idea in the 70’s and 80’s was to oppose Soviet expansion and stablize the Middle East. The second goal helped with the first goal. We had to make some difficult choices from really sucky options at the time.

    That doesn’t make Saddam’s guilty verdict today any less just.

  31. Matt 'Zilla' Bramanti, CPO™ on November 6th, 2006 at 4:01 pm

    We have never succeeded in creating a single democratic institution in any of these forays.

    The following is a partial list of nations with vibrant democratic institutions, thanks to American military force or pressure:

    -Japan
    -Latvia
    -Lithuania
    -Armenia
    -Moldova
    -Germany
    -Romania
    -Italy
    -France
    -Austria
    -Czech Republic
    -Russia
    -Hungary

    Also, what’s the Lewis quote supposed to prove? The man also said “I love America, but I don’t like it.” So what?

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