I told you so.
by David Benzion · 12/07/2006 6:29 amI know it’s unbecoming to say “I told you so”… but this is just too good.
I told you so, I told you so, I told you so.
Leaving aside for now the merits of the public policy question (Wall vs. comprehensive reform, crackdown vs. path to citizenship), you just have to be stunned by the sheer brazen scope and scale of the betrayal.
Unless, of course, you’re me–in which case you get to dance around pointing fingers saying “I told you so!”
Which I am doing, right now, to YOU, on the other side of your computer screen.
Let’s review.
- Gov. Rick Perry alienates his conservative grassroots base;
- In danger of getting thrown out of office by either a liberal Democrat, a nutty Grandma or an ex-Hippie Jew named “Kinky”, Perry throws a couple of million dollars worth of tough-talking, Marlboro Man-looking ads on TV, reassuring his conservative base that he has been and will get even tougher on border enforcement;
- Terrified that their beloved state is going to run by a liberal Democrat, a nutty Grandma, or an ex-Hippie Jew named “Kinky,” enough conservatives rally around Perry get him re-elected–despite having 61% of their fellow Texas voters pleading to elect “Anyone But Perry”;
- Less than one month later, I’m reading this in the Houston Chronicle.
Perry told the Texas Border Coalition that the national anti-immigrant rhetoric of the political campaigns was not constructive.
“We just concluded an election year that was very heavy on immigration rhetoric, and, I might add, very light on comprehensive solutions,” Perry said.
Mr. Back, meet Mr. Knife.
He said the campaign rhetoric did not foster good relations with Mexico.
“Good neighbors do not foster fear and engage in divisive appeals,” he said. “They seek solutions.”
Perry said he is opposed to building a fence or wall along the entire border with Mexico.
“Strategic fencing in certain urban areas to direct the flow of traffic does make sense, but building a wall on the entire border is a preposterous idea,” he said.
“The only thing a wall would possibly accomplish is to help the ladder business.”
Perry said the federal government needs to quickly enact immigration reform, and he said he supports a guest-worker program that would bring illegal immigrants out of the shadows.
You’ve. Been. Punked.
And the best part is, we’re not even to the legislative session yet–when you all are going to get screwed on taxes!
At least that terrible man Kinky Friedman wasn’t elected governor though…
UPDATED– The Local Left is rubbing your face in it–and who can argue that they haven’t earned the right to do so?!?
… Perry, who isn’t particularly popular with anyone these days, fell out of favor with many in the ideological conservative crowd (who used to be his friends) over the business tax, the Trans Texas Corridor, and a lack of action on the hot-button immigration issue.
These conservative die-hards believe Perry sold out to big government and political correctness. His comments today constitute throwing a big, fat combustible yule log on that fire folks.
Perry’s comments may also leave those Texans who saw (almost without a choice, given how many spots the Guv ran) his recent campaign ads — many of which touted his get tough approach on immigration — scratching their heads. Is this the same Rick Perry from just a month ago?
Far be it from us to accuse the good Governor of having pandered to his base to win an election (highly unusual behavior for a politician, no?), but he seems to have changed his tune awfully quickly. Gee whiz, his line about the ladder industry even sounds a lot like the one his Democratic opponent Chris Bell used on the campaign trail. In this case, we happen to agree with the Guv. Selected fencing may be a good option in certain areas, but a wall across the entire border is folly — hugely expensive to build and maintain and likely ineffective.
But then, we didn’t vote for Governor Perry, so our expectations of him are, let us say, low. We’re guessing, however, that many already angry Texas conservatives who sucked it up and voted for him despite serious misgivings about doing so, have quickly gotten back in touch with that anger.
[Hat-tip: Keir Murray / AKA "Houtopia"]
“Oh Schadenfreude, of Schadenfreude–Rick gives us so much pleasure!”
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naw gov rick “rino” perry - he doesnt lie naw.
here ya go!
All campaigning should be done under oath. Perjure yourself - Go to jail.
i liked all the vote for rick and the good of the party folks. cant wait for the new session to begin and see more of his crap.
I wash the blood off my hands, I voted for Kinky.
Unfortunately, Dan, my man Patrick, will get pigeon-holed by these same self-righteous powerbrokers in Austin and get absolutely nothing accomplished this term. Hope I’m wrong.
Typical politician BS. Say what they want to hear to get elected and then do a 180 and stick it up our collective A$$ES. He wants to keep the “flow of traffic” going so he has an endless supply of maids, lawn keepers and taco venders. What a piece of crap.
Does anyone remember the commercial & email that said if the WHITEHOUSE won’t secure our borders then Texas will?
What an embarassment.
AND P.S. David it took you long enough to put this one up I emailed this story to y’all midafternoon yesterday!
Dan Patrick, who I voted for and support, was WRONG to plead with his listening audience to vote for the one tRick Perry. What’s bad for Texas is a former Democrat infecting the Republican Party to get elected. What’s bad for Texas is reelecting this scoundrel because anyone else will surely bring Armageddon. RICK PERRY IS BAD FOR TEXAS! Fellas, just wait. You’re gonna need a triple layer titanium sphincter shield by the time this guy is finished. If you think that uncomfortable feeling in your posterior is temporary, hang on tight. Here comes the TTC, Sales TAX INCREASE in the name of Property TAX relief, reform of the Franchise TAX Reform, Reconquista, etc., etc., etc. Texas just needs one of those oil tankers down on the channel full of KY Jelly and in the inmmortal words of Clayton Williams “just lay back and enjoy it”. It’s too late now, but throw the bums out and spend the next four years finding and grooming a true Texas conservatives.
Well, I’m still proud that I voted for the Village Idiot, (Kinky), it was either him or Bell, at least with Bell you knew that you might as well bend over and assume the position. What Perry doesn’t seem to understand is that without two clowns running in the race he would have been beaten by Bell, would we be any worse off? I don’t think so! I really like Dan but his support for Perry turned my stomach!
Can Texas do to him what California voters did to Grey Davis?? Impeach, boot him, and ask for another election?
BTW I did not waste my vote. I voted for the Jewish Cowboy…
#8 Lawrence C, “a triple layer titanium sphincter shield” that would be real funny if it weren’t soo true! BTW; What happened to the $2000 decrease in my property taxes? My taxes only went up by $37.00 but I thought it was to go way down.
#10 fasternu426, Damn that’s an idea!!
I still have the bumper sticker that reads “Another Disgruntled Republican For Kinky” hanging on my cubicle wall. Thanks again, Mike. I also have my “Kinky Friedman Governor 2006″ button there also. Thanks again, Smacktle.
Toldja so!!!
Toldja so!!!
Toldja so!!!
Toldja so!!!
Toldja so!!!
Toldja so!!!
Now I feel bad for voting for Kinky.
Several posters here kept telling me not to “cut and run”. They said that we can’t risk having a Democrat elected as govenor.
To think that I might have been partially responsible for a conservative leader like Rick Perry being defeated.
I will now eat crow. Perry has just proven what a wonderful conservative he is.
Sorry for the “Cut and Run” last month with my vote for Kinky.
10 fasterby426
The man has no shame. Complete awe for his statements. I agree, impeach, impeach, impeach.
10 fasterby426
The man has no shame. I am in complete awe for his statements. I agree, impeach, impeach, impeach.
That is really messed up, how? 10 fasternu426,,,,sorry guy.
Oh, and with any luck, Perry will run for Senate.
The honorable conservative Senator from Texas, Rick Perry. I like the sound of that.
Once elected Senator, do you think we may be lucky enough that he’ll introduce a bill creating a Department of Immigration. Such a department may be able to get federal funding for water stations along the border. Maybe the DOI could also set up a shuttle service from the border to Houston, San Antonio, Austin and Dallas.
I’ll never “cut and run” again. I’ve learned my lesson.
I remember some folks on here telling us (before the election) that Perry would take getting only 30-some percent as an indication of how unhappy the Republican voters are with him. Care to ammend that sentiment, anyone?
As satisfying as it is to say I told you so on one hand, the bigger picture really sucks. Texas. Got. Punked.
Lawrence C and Peter, What I couldn’t understand was the “Perry Pep-rally” crowd, already knew his record before the election, the biggest Tax increase since Old Bag Richards.
Come on guys, at least:
1. We have somebody that Dan can work with 80% of the time.
2. Abortion is now illegal.
3. The down ballot judges were elected.
4. The rest of the country doesn’t think we are a joke.
Come on! All us Kinky Grandma supports were proven wrong. Dan was right! It is best to blindly vote for the party, not the principles!
Viva la Perry!
Who wants to bet that Perry-lovin’ Dan gets locked in a closet up and Austin, and accomplishes nothing!!!
#19 The Dude, I said that a bunch of times, Perry just wanted to be reelected so he could go on to bigger and better things. The Texas republicans just rubber stamped him as a good guy.
Just wait until Queen Shelley gets hold of this - She’ll straighten it out in the next week or two, if she can find a staffer to type a bill or get her coffee or whatever she thinks a staffer is supposed to do.
#23 Dave D,
I know you did. The ones who rubber stamped Perry (and they know who they are as well as we do) are conspicuous by their abscence from this thread. Since we weren’t willing to undergo the chemo, we now have to endure the tumor.
Do you actually think after this about face we’d be dumb enough to elect him to another office. Hang on, I guess we might be. Man, I could spit nails right now. Here’s to hoping that Dan and a few of his fellow REAL conservatives can effect some change. Someone best wake up in Austin.
Kinky….why oh why did I forsake you????
Do you honestly think that these “Elitist Idealistic
Fools” care what you think. And they dare to call Kinky a fool.
Can we all say “RECALL”!!!!!!
#22 stogus i’ll take a bet! dan has the radio and will report on the happenings in austin and how he is treated. the radio stations reach 55% of the republicans in the state - i believe thats correct.
sso their bs may just not work. if they hide their intentions well then ok.
#26 johnny
Of course he will get elected to a higher office. When the primaries (the only acceptable time to vote out bums) rolls around who do you think the Republicans will vote for? Joe “Conservative” Nobody or the Republican Gov. of Texas Perry?
During the primary(the only acceptable time to vote out bums) when the 2% of people come out to vote, who do you think they are voting for? The name they recognize.
Don’t believe me? Take a look at what happened in 2006….
Rick Perry 84%
Larry Kilgore 8%
Rhett R. Smith 5%
Star Locke 4%
Viva La Perry!
What we got in “RINO” Perry is the “best of the FOUR evils”. Chris we know wouldn’t have done anything. Grandma we didn’t know what she would do except “get tough”. And, the Kinkster was way out there. So that’s why we ended up with Perry. Perry should be smart enough to know he didn’t get a majority for some reasons. He should be smart enough to know the voters know and if it wasn’t for some late campaigning by Dan Patrick, might have lost. Now we got to find a replacement for the “primary”, we can make a change in the general election. So Rick Perry, we heard, we saw and we remember!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m surprised that so many people “bought” his BS. So he was re-elected because it was for the “party good”, and the options were none to very bad. Keep this crap up and I’m thinking of voting a straight ticket next time…..Democrat.
So much for trying to change the system.
#28 dowjones25k
Do you honestly think they care what we think? Do you think that KSEV listeners matter to them? Do you think they care what the very few KVCE listeners think?
Dan has been on the radio and has been disagreeing with them, what have they changed? Nothing!
They will put him in a closet for his insubordination and who cares what he says on the radio. It is all done for ratings.
#30 Robert
What did you ask Santa to bring you for Christmas?
Maybe the Easter Bunny will get you a great big basket, and the Tooth Fairy will give you a whole dollar!
“Do you actually think after this about face we’d be dumb enough to elect him to another office.”
I’d say we have no choice but to elect him to higher office. After all, we can’t “cut and run” because he has a “R” next to his name.
He could run off with my 15-year-old daughter and back over my dog in the process while on the phone making promises to the Little Troll from North Korea and I’ll still vote for him because of that “R”.
Now if Hillary adds a “R” reminiscent to her adding “Rodham” than I could vote with a clear concious for Hillary Rodham Clinton - D/R. That is how it works right? Kind of like when the doctor hits your knee with the little hammer. You see that “R” and the reflex is to vote for it.
#29
Perry angered me with the special session, after the primary, when he supported the business tax and lied to us about the property tax relief. That is why I voted for Kinky in the general election. Perry has now lied to us on boder security. Perry will never again receive my support in any election.
Who was it on this board that ask for specific examples of lies Perry has told? Here is another example.
You Kool-Aid drinking Republicans deserve him and this especially goes for Dan “The Doormat” Patrick.
Simple
Don’t blame me. I voted for Kinky. This crap has got to stop in the capital. This is our state, not Mexico’s. It’s high time we protect it like the Texans we are. As far as I’m concerned, we should exercise our right to secede and become our own country again. We have oil, gas, coastal access for shipping, everything to be totally sefl-sufficient. What do we need from anyone else? Nothing. Texas, it’s a whole nother country. Sounds good, doesn’t it?
#30 Robert
Dan’s support of him was the reason I stopped tuning in KSEV on my morning and evening drive to and from work. I know pop in a CD of a audio book.
Stogie
Watch out for that Easter Bunny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg-TwaxTPSs
Was or is Kinky a terrible man?
No,
I didn’t get punked; I would have voted for a tree-toed sloth before I would have voted for that lying, sell-out, POS.
And Dan has become a dishrag, looks like it didn’t take him long to fold like a road map.
Let the revolution begin!!!!!
Will Dan be on the radio this afternoon?
If he is, I’ll be calling him to ask if having an open border is worth the trade for political appointments.
If he has the nerve to say yes, I’ll ask if adding tax increases and the trans-Texas corridor to an open border is worth politcal appointment.
If he has the nerve to say yes to that as well, I’ll ask him what won’t he trade for political appointments.
If Dan keeps his “focus” on another topic such as this Iraq Panel, then I suspect we’ve lost him to the political wasteland known as Austin - MiniDC.
#36
Since you obviously haven’t figured it out, most people posting on here aren’t republicans!
#43 CP
They might just be ‘Republicans’ if they had someone worth voting for!!!
Eric,oh, Eric,
Can you come out to play today?
Eric, oh, Eric,
Is this aboutface listed in your Texas Fact Book? Let’s see, yep, there it is - under the category of fastest run away from campaign rhetoric.
Eric, oh, Eric…..
#43
I am a republican. It’s time for a different governor though. Perry has not stuck to his republican roots lately. Smaller government, local control, family values, etc. None of these have come out of his office this last term. I wanted a no-nonsense, mean what you say and say what you mean person in the capital.
Simple:
I am a conservative. I did not vote for Perry and I will never support him again.
The only good thing I have to say about him is: As bad as he is (and he is pretty bad) he is still perferable to Chris Bell.
#36 SimpleSimon,
Did you happen to catch the poll on here prior to the election?
61% of the people on this board stated they would vote for Kinky.
I’m not sure how much political knowledge you may have, but Kinky was not the Republican candidate.
sunny
I don’t think Kinky was terrible. He might’ve been a little flaky and even eccentric to some, but not terrible. But, he never lied to us and was not a politician.
He got my vote.
chickenmom, did you vote for Perry?
#45 bigjolly,…heh, heh
Peter
I threw my protest vote to Kinky.
The upcoming executive committee meeting of the GOP is going to be interesting, I can tell. I need to check to see when the deadline is for submitting resolutions. I may need to submit one for censure of Perry for this crap.
here are a few pics of of ricky and his friends
http://transtexascorridor.blogspot.com/
Dedicated to those who voted for Perry:
We’ll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that’s all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain’t changed
‘Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
No, no!
I’ll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I’ll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?
There’s nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
No, no!
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
Peter
I take it that this is to the tune by the Rolling Stones?
#56 chickenmom
It wass ‘The Who’, off the ‘Who’s Next?’ album.
The who???
lol
That was “The Who”.
I wonder if we’ll get an appearance from Luv2Hammer in this thread?
And how about:
‘Our so called leaders speak;
with words they try to jail you.
They subjegate the meek;
but it’s the rhetoric of failure.’
Sting 1980
Yeah, I think that nails it……….!
‘Perry said the federal government needs to quickly enact immigration reform, and he said he supports a guest-worker program that would bring illegal immigrants out of the shadows’
What? We already did that in 1986! It didn’t work then. So then, Mr. Perry: Tell me why it will work now?
Please Paul, please run for Lt. Governor or Governor!!
I’m waiting for Eric to show up and tell us how this will actually improve border security and how it isn’t another lie and how we’re just too stupid to understand it.
#57
I stand corrected.
I think Gov. Goodhair needs to receive several thousand emails indicating that Conservatives are not happy with his latest immigration views.
Eric is busy running his steel mill today.
I still say secession is our best option. Seriously, who can run Texas better than Texans?
The illegals are not in the shadows. They are on street corners, city sponsered hiring lots, in taco carts, and riding in the back of pickup trucks all over town.
trl3 #64, Gov. Goodhair/No Brains doesn’t give a hoot about what you think. He doesn’t even have to pretend to care for the next 42 months. The only way we are going to unseat this idiot is to have a genuine conservative run against him in a primary. And then if Perry wins, we will know that as conservatives, we are in a real minority. At which point I would likely decide to start stocking up again for the bad times!!
Maybe Bell or Kinky wouldn’t be so bad now. At least you know where they stand.
#68-didn’t people vote for Bush and Perry because they are “real conservatives”?
#66 chickenmom
So you would like to see Texas President Perry?
No, no, no. President Kinky has nice ring to it though.
#66 i agree with you.
here is a funny.
we dont seem to want to stop illegals at the boarder. but if a citizen goes to canada the us customs will check you to see if you brought any canadian prescriptions from canada with you back into the usa. congress passed the law to do this.
We can’t even have Gov. Kinky, what makes you think we would have President Kinky if we seceded?
Eric is in Austin applying for the job of Perrys campaign mgr today.
We’ll have to go through a total change of government at that point. Everything is up for grabs. Hopefully people will have come to their senses by then that we are being lied to on a continious basis and will bring us back to our “Lone Star” roots.
It’s a dream, I know. But it’s a nice dream.
Perry: Empty suit, nice hair. Big fat liar.
Kinky: Funny, but sincere, with some good ideas and some goofy ones.
I voted for Kinky. He may not have been the best gov, but it would have been fun to watch.
Dan lost some credibility with me by endorsing a known liar and political slut.
Add me to the “told you so” list…
#66 if we were a separate country at least the money collected by the govt would be for texans.
now texas sends more money to washington than they get from washington.
this would be just another benefit.
#79 The money taken from Texans would go the Mexico via the illegals to to Texans.
should say not to instead of to to
My consience is clear! Still have my Another Disgruntled Republican for Kinky sticker posted on my party patio! Now where is Jimb and the rest who voted for The Snake Rick Perry? I’d like their thoughts on this. Mark my words: There is more to come. Put your seatbelts on. We’re in for the ride of our lives!
#82
ST: As they say in the military, BOHICA!!!!
In spite of the fact I am not too happy with Perry for many of the reasons stated above. I didn’t see much different in that quote than I have before. I don’t think he ever agreed with a total fence, just partial. I think he always been for guest worker (GW) program.
As far as geting skunked I think we saw the stripe before the election, the question was which skunk was worse?
Chickenmom- I concur with your succession! I thought that the other day myself. Why did we join this union???
I am nauseated at the “shadows” comments what a stinking joke that is.
I’ll take on the public ridicule for voting for Perry. I wasn’t happy with voting for him but I was even unhappier with the alternatives.
Grandma - angry old lady whose position changed depending on whose support she was trying to gain favor with at the moment.
Kinky - folksy comedian whose position changed depending on who he was entertaining at the moment.
Bell - liberal politician whose position changed depending on who he was trying to fool at the moment.
Perry - smooth talking politician whose position changed depending on who he was trying to impress at the moment.
There was a 5th choice (not voting) but that as Rush (the band) said, if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
Unfortunately, the Republicans who got elected are going to look at the losses, and foolishly think that the voters want more progressives so they in turn will move toward the left.
Republicans are quick to say that the Democrats are quick to adapt a ‘cut and run’ policy when it comes to Iraq, but watch how quickly they will adapt the same approach in regards to sticking with true conservative principles.
My vote for Perry was a vote against anything and everything that could pull the Republican party away from conservatism.
you just have to be stunned by the sheer brazen scope and scale of the betrayal.
Did he ever promise to build a wall along the entire border?
I don’t recall that. But if he did, then yes, it’s a betrayal.
So where’s the quote, Benzion? Surely after all your tough talk and sour grapes over your boy Kinky, you’ve got the quote to back it up!
Big45Iron #68
While I am certain that Perry really does not care, it can not hurt for him to know that thousands of conservative VOTERS disagrre with him.
I agree that we need a true conservative to run for Governor and every other elected position.
How about the 5 million $$ virtual border fence Perry put up? Yeah, it caught 2 million virtual illegals crossing the border. BTW, the cameras are shut down now. Now homeland security is wanting to put them up. It will costs billions. Uhhhhh, too bad the illegals haven’t thought about going behind the cameras. Well, at least the cameras only costs the taxpayers 5 mil. Coulda been worse, don’t cha know!
#70 Yellowdog
Many voted for Bush and Perry because they believe that the Democrat opponent was an even worse choice.
I did not vote for Perry, I did vote for Bush and If Bush were running again today against either of his last 2 opponents I would vote for him again.
Jean #84
Perry said he would secure our border. I don’t see him doing that.
TOTA TORA TORA - 65 years ago today it was the Japanese flying in from across the water.
TACO TACO TACO - Today it’s primarily Mexicans running in across the border.
#85 Kevin
Gov. Perry did air commercials for the express purpose of making voters believe that he was going to secure the border, and would be tough on ILLEGAL immigration. IMHO he is not fullfilling either promise.
If you don’t listen to the enemy you don’t know what is going on - Ed Schlutz. He is even saying that his listeners are getting fed up with the illegals and want something done.
Was listening to another show (can’t listen to Dan anymore since he took us for a ride) and a liberal analysis was saying all this talk about a quick fix for the illegals may not happen if 80% to 90% of the House Republicans stick to their guns about no amnesty. It appears some (50 at last count) of the recently elected Democrats are more conservative than the rino’s they defeated and are not in favor of amnesty for the illegals.
If the dems get caught up in their investigastion of bush the liar (God I am pray for this)and go for impeachment then a lot of their agenda will fall apart since the impeachment will take up most of the time before the next election cycle.
#85 Kevin
I don’t have “a quote” because I didn’t claim he promised to build a wall along the entire border during the campaign.
What I said was that he sent very clear signals during the campaign that if reelected, he was going to be all about being the tough Marlboro Man on the border.
Now, one month later, he’s talking about how walls are ineffective, the rhetoric of the campaign was regrettably divisive, we need a guest worker-program, etc.
Does this constitute betrayal? Judging from the comments of LST readers (and I expect very soon) KSEV listeners, I think they are going to feel betrayed, even if they can’t point to a particular quote or clause in a contract Perry signed with them.
In politics, voters feeling betrayed counts as a betrayal.
If I was Rick Perry’s political consultant and he had asked me about giving this speech, I would have told him “Sir, go ahead and do what you think is right, but be aware that many of the people who voted for you just one month ago are going to feel terribly betrayed. Whether you think they ought to or not, whether they can ‘prove’ to you or not that you’ve betrayed them, that’s how they are going to feel.”
I think reality is bearing me out on this.
He only wants to build a partial fence, and even then only to “direct the flow of traffic into the country…?”
In that case, all we can do now is learn Spanish
and buy a soccer rule book.
Stick a fork in us, we’re done.
Thanks for all your efforts, Sam Houston, Bowie and Travis. Looks like we’re going to go a different way now. Thanks for about 160 good years, or so.
I guess this generation is the one that gives it all back.
Perry betrayed no one.
The putzs that did not organize behind ONE other candidate betrayed themselves.
LST could have gained national notoriety organizing the first underground resistance campaign.
Ah, such is life.
Kinky was realistic and didn’t lie. But most did not want him because he was not “politically correct” - but at least he spoke from his heart because he truly does care about Texas.
Can we get a Marine division to run for all the open political offics?
If all these come true, IPEACH the idiot.
He must be the illegimate long lost son of GB41.
We do not need a fence. Just cut off the freebies and let the hammer fall on employers who hire them.
Away goes our problem with illegals.
rj
#93 DB,
Good rebuttal David. Dr. Whited’s argument was textbook strawman.
100 Yes!!
This thread has the “Open Comments” thread beat two times over, and it’s Pearl Harbor Day! It just shows to go Ya, that the conservative base is pissed!
Mega-pissed off, DaveD!!!
Bottom line is pery and bush don’t give TSIH what the voters want and certainly are sending a message that they will lie to us for our vote but are going to do as they damn well want and there ain’t adamn thing we can do about it. Next election we will get darth for gov. and perry for senator after gutlesson retires to Dallas and pretends to be a mom.
BigJolly
First the governor is for fences just not building them around the entire border - we would be the only country in the world to try it except for ancient china and as I recall - it didn’t work out to well for them
Also, who was it that didn’t want to spend more money
Third, the forced deportation scenario is unfeasible, unreliable and completely unworkable and is not supported by a large majority of the American people and last I checked the majority not the most pissed off - rules.
Also did sam Houston, Richards - insert every single governor of texas ever reinforce the border?
Please name one governor in US history that reinforced the border
Well maybe he didn’t raise a state militia but he is taking steps the Feds arenot.
I want to hear what Dan the man has to say about this. I guess he didn’t count the fall in his radio stations’ profitability when all the Conservatives stop tuning into his so-called conservative rah-rah, revolution, BS.
Seems to be, at both the federal and state levels, we are being sold out and/or somebody wants to stoke a civil war. The law-abiding, taxpaying, American citizen will only take so much. Don’t know how close we are to the breaking point, but I do not want to imagine it can get much worse.
The arrogant, koolaid-drinking Republicans are what have turned me into an LST lurker.
I just have to say, “I told you so”.
Not that that will stop you from consuming your koolaid.
Drink up, sheep.
David,
This maybe the only time the good Dr W. and I agree is that Perry said he was for stepped up enforcement up and to including “Limited Fencing” in high traffic areas
Also, in response to the selected outrage, we do build a fence they will just enter in through - New Mexico -
Remember some memorable walls
the Berlin Wall, The Maginot Line the West wall (over 100,000 frenchmen escaped to england to join deGaulle heck even the french can breach a wall and the Border Patrol aint exactly the Wehrmacht) the sentimental favorite the Great Wall (actually built to keep people in)
And that Cuban boatlift
Honestly Shannon
Whats your plan,lets say bothperry and bush resign and appoint you in place
what is king for a year Shannon going to do
Lets hear it
Please include how many people it will need, the infrastructure that will be required
#107 Eric, I am not much on Chinese history, but was taught that the Great Wall was to keep the invading Mongul hordes out of China. Would love to read how it was actually used to keep the people in. Can you provide me some source material? Thanks.
I think what Perry said was all this over the top rhetoric (none here of course but those Dallas Blogs) is going to harden hearts, divide a community and drive a wedge so deep that the damage is going to last along time for a short term problem.
#110 Eric
That’s a joke, right? Not even you believe that. Right?
109
Well thats the watered down version the main reason was too keep 10 million peasants at forced labor to maintain a lavish kingdom
Thge mongols always got over the walls every time they were excellent archers climbers and they invented the grappling hook.
Bigjolly
It is a short term problem when you look at the fact that 18 months ago except for Houston - no gave a flyin flip
Eric, no one that I have heard has ever wanted to create a fence around the entire US border. There are many countries that put up physical barries between themselves and unsafe neighbors. As for the forced deportation, it is workable in the long run, it is feasable, and if it were discussed in a rational way, you would find more supporters than you think. We could start with closing the border, then deport all non-violent offenders that are non-citizens that are in prison. Next you begin enforcing our current immigration laws, and empower/require local and state officers to enforce federal immigration laws. Anyone arrested, whether or not they are convicted should be immediatelty deported after trial, unless they are found guilty of rape, murder, or some other very serious offense.This would go a LONG way towards correcting some of the glaring holes in our current immigration policies.
AYWWIVFK - And you wonder why I voted for Kinky.
Eric, if fences are so bad, why do we fence prisons?
#113 Eric
That is simply not true. And it is probably in your Texas fact book. There were many people against this in 1986 when Reagen screwed up and let it happen. People have been openly talking about the problem for years. Not sure where you came up with the 18 month timeline.
I meant no one gave a flyin flip
Look the Dems tried and succeeded to divide us all on this issue but in doing so for the short term 6% gain they have opened up real wounds both in Texas and all the border states
It is unfair to first expect Texas to handle the countries problem as well as having the largest hispanic community
But before you get too morally outraged legal andillegal hispanics have fallen in our wars of freedom by the tens of thousands
Remember that before you say things you will later regret
3 of the first 5 to fall in afghanistan and Iraq were illegal immigrants
Hispanics, legal and illegal have bled red for old glory
Shannon, Bigjolly, Duhmoose, et al,
A friendly word of advice: don’t bother.
Duhmoose the fences around prisons are to keep people in….
Not to keep people out…..
Come on, Eric. Just admit it. You are not for securing the border. And support a North American Union.
I need a little more time to respond to your request.
Dude
I’m sure you have a point to make - why don’t you share it with us?
I already have.
#118 Eric
I’m probably not going to say anything I regret later but you never know. Thanks for the reminder.
I’m not sure why you leaped from your false short term argument to an argument about illegals dying for our country. You’ll need to explain that one, remember, I’m a bit dense. I thought the topic was Gov. Perry’s quick abandonment of his political rhetoric.
Wino and Smacktle
Do you have any articles on any governors that ever reinforced the Border in any state?
Arnold asked for more border Patrol but I mean taking charge and using state assets
I will bet you can’t find any…..
but that would require effort now instead of just firing a few aimless blanks
#119 The Dude
But I’m bored today.
#126 Bigjolly,
I see. In that case… carry on.
8^)
Gov. Adios Mofo’s whole statement is started with a false premise. The presumption that Mexico is a good neighbor is false. If Sr. Perry actually believes this, we would have been better served electing a pet rock to be governor.
No Bigjolly
Look I appreciate your discussing this the fact that you are responding means that you are a fair and reasonalble person - not convinced by me - but willing to listen to opposing viewpoints
first, please point out the abandonment in his speech from what he’s doing now?
Second talk to any army recruiter call em up but hold your emotions in check they are a little sensitive about their comrades in arms who die in battle - google hispanics, illegals in armed forces - you will find your answers
Look I understand everyone’s frustration - and as I predicted everyone is turning from Dan and the man hasent even gotten their yet
people’s patience is wearing thin here, here not everywhere, not in the streets not in the churches etc.
Ask your pastor, priest or Rabbi if this is what we should do rip people out of the homes and send them to certain poverty?
BigJolly
You also have to understand that the Dude, Smacktle, Wino don’t like me, they have made numerous personal insults because they cannot stand people with opposing viewpoints who back them up with facts
Personal attacks is all they have
Eric, Most of the military men I have talked to want to stop illegal immigration, close the borders, and remove as many illegals as possible. True I haven’t talked to a recruiter, but I think veterans, and current servicemen are good enough for me. As for the pastor part, my Dad was my pastor for most of my life, he thinks we should protect our country, my current pastor thinks we should close the border and deport the illegals. And I hate to break it to you, but patience is wearing thin everywhere. So far we have had protests, small riots, etc, in many different places. Just wait till we actually try to do something other than the status quo.
#129 Eric
If you cannot or will not acknowledge that the “tone” of his speech signals a complete turn from his rhetoric, there isn’t much to discuss. Read the Morning News article and look who is supporting him. For you to claim that he isn’t turning or hasn’t abandonded his campaign promises is disingenuous at best.
I still have zero idea what your point is about illegals serving and dying in our armed forces. That is a given.
What part of stopping the influx of people crossing our borders illegally “rips people out of their homes and send them to certain poverty”?
We need to somehow, someway convince them that the path to prosperity (for Mexican citizens and US citizens alike) is to change their own country. They have vast resources, vast intellect and can do it. Stopping them from crossing is just a step. A very real, urgent, necessary step.
Eric,
Few have advocated the repatriation of 11 million people on busses.
The overwhelming mojority of Americans polled want the damned border secured.
Have you read the statistics on the number of OtherThanMexicans apprehended on the border??
I really don’t care what the illegal alien position is on securing the border. Nor do I care what their commanding officer’s think about it.
It is a security issue with me. Period.
Illegal aliens should be shown the door at recruiting offices.
NO, they should actually be put on a bus to the border.
#130 Eric
As a mostly lurker, I’m not sure that The Dude should be included on your list. Although you do frustrate him, I don’t think his attacks are personal. And Smacktle seems to just be yanking your chain to see you react. Don’t see much of Wino.
duhmoose
I agree with you, but Texas is a huge state - look Florida can’t stop the Cubans- more fences will slow it down
but where the solutions lie is one
Pass laws eliminating illiegal immigrants from most federal and state entitlement programs
Pass laws to limit their enrollment inspecial schools with larger class sizes and english, civics, and the basics stressed with no extracuricular fluff
They are still getting education just not all the bells and whistles
Make english the official language
Make DWI and above automatic grounds for deportation
Duhmoose
He has insulted me and my family here and on other blogs - his words speak for themselves
Nice to see that KSEV and LST influence on the state Republican Party. Oh wait a minute-YOU HAVE NONE! Just as the Democrats has looney left, we have ya’ll. Viva the TTC, Viva the Republicans less exclusionary approach, VIVA RICK PERRY!
Shannon
I think getting more air support and more stricter laws wil prevail
Also eliminating the need under the Guest Worker program for them to bring their families over was the original intent of the program
I don’t know if I agree completely with that - the road to our current immigration problem is paved with such attempts
I differ from the governor in that I don’t want the deportation threat taken off the table
Shannon,
Someone willing to defend you and me in my opinion deserves respect.
I understand and appreciate your sentiments, I just ask you to reconsider sometimes when you see young men and women and realize that they answered a higher calling
I believe a little musical interlude (well the lyrics anyway) may be appropriate for my comment regarding Der Gubner.
Oh yeah
**I TOLD YOU SO**
Liar
Three Dog Night
I won’t ever leave while you want me to stay
Nothing you could do that would turn me away
Hanging on every word
Believing the things I heard
Being a fool
You’ve taken my life, so take my soul
That’s what you said and I believed it all
I want to be with you as long
As you want me to
I won’t move away
Ain’t that what you said?
Ain’t that what you said?
Ain’t that what you said?
Liar, liar, liar
May I see no night
May I see no day
If I ever leave while you want me to stay
You can believe in me
I won’t be leaving
I won’t let you go
Ain’t that what you said?
Ain’t that what you said?
Ain’t that what you said?
Liar, liar, liar
**Directed to those that are waking up to what the Devil…oops scuse me Rick Perry…is about**
The Minutemen are still a good organization that does something about the border. I have not joined that organization but that kind of movement could get a big kickstart if a large number of citizens went down to the border and did something. It usually takes something like a big event to bring the gov’t in to do something. Of course any uprising at the border as a result would cause action, either against citizens or illegals. Unfortunately it is going to take something like that to really push an agenda on border control.
#131 Eric
Please show ONE instance where I insulted you.
I’m waiting. If you can’t provide one, then I’ll accept your apology.
Since I don’t insult, except in self-defense, I am fairly certain you won’t find one, but I might be wrong.
I don’t even know you, much less dislike you. I think you are a GOPuppet, willing to spout the party line, no matter how outrageous the situation.
You’ve proven my last statement with your defense of Perry on this obvious betrayal. Remember the ads with Gov. Mofo out on the border, acting tough. Now, he’s done acting, and is back to his liberal democrat roots.
As far as “Show one governor,” etc., what difference does that make? Strawman, plain and simple.
How about this, “Show one governor who ran ads saying he’s going to be tough on illegal immigration, then reneged on that promise one month later.” I bet you can find one with good hair, and a penchant to raise taxes while calling it a tax break.
Eric
“talk to any army recruiter call em up”
Yeah and ask them what they think of this:
“a Houston high-school principal was disciplined after he flew a Mexican flag with his campus’ U.S. and state flags.”
http://www.t-g.com/story/1147031.html
Big Jolly gets it and what I do with Eric is point out where he outright lies or makes stuff up. Eric stated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grappling_hook
Money quote from Wik:
Hey but what does wikipedia know?
132. That will be fun to see!
Smacktle
A first, since they were first used by the Romans as well as the Carthagians as well as through the middle ages in siege warfare as well as in many Robin Hood merry men in tights episodes I will admit I was confused
But I appreciate you finally debating
wino
You’ve had several exposive rants maybe you forget
I know I shouldn’t have believed the hooker last night when she said she loved me as I paid her my money and now you’ve gone and told me I shouldn’t have believed the gov when he spoke to me so sweetly about the border when I spent my vote.
The only way you can tell these 2 whores from each other is that one smells a little better and has no facial stubble.
Eric
“talk to any army recruiter call em up”
Yeah and ask them what they think of this:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/immigration/houston_hs_principal_flies_mexican_flag.htm
Schools fly Mexican flag… after running down the US colors.
Wino,
We are expecting Perry to do…
Guard a border that the Federal Government, even after three major incursions never did in 200 plus years
Build a fence that no country in the world has done but ancient china and it didn’t work out that well for them
Squawk posted his youtube video
Yes I agree it was an effective political commerical but Perry stated he was doing three things
He was sending money and cooperating with border sheriffs
He was funding 100 million dollars for securing the border
He was using what resources he had to keep terrorists and drugs out of Texas
Its legitimate to disagree with the his wanting a guest worker program - I personally am nor that warm to it either cause these kind of things get diluted (deluded is another good word)
Wino,
Eric needs his yard mowed and doesn’t want to do it! Leave him alone. Let the Reconquista begin!
http://www.spiralvisions.com/cuthbert/mexican.jpg
Look,you all win I lose, hope Dan has his asbestos underwear on mines been soundly scorched
Good night God bless don’t harass Dan too much - let him go to Austin and get his bearings
Fasternu
A guy from Pakistan mows my lawn - good night
Eric, Please stop with the no major country crap. Most modern countries have some sort of physical deterant at any border that is closed. It might be a fence, a natural formation (river, etc), a burn area, or simply a patrol road. As for Perry’s ad, he intentionally gave voters the impression that if he got elected, he would get stricter on securing the border. His ads were ” very heavy on immigration rhetoric” and now he is saying that those other guys were wrong to do that.
Eric,
Mexico has armed troops that SHOOT PEOPLE on their border…
#148 Eric
Then it will be easy for you to find one and quote it here. Please do so, or apologize for libeling me with your earlier post.
In case you forgot, the point of contention is as follows:
I maintain that I’ve never personally insulted you, execpt possibly in self-defense. I’m still waiting for evidence or an apology.
I personally know of at least 3 instances where Wino has exposed himself and they were all in the name of Perry.
Well, I’ve been tempted to expose my backside to Perry, but I’m afraid he would take it as an invitation to do more “governing” on me.
#151 EricPJohnson
Isreal has built a fence along much of its border. Everywhere they have built the fence the it has greatly reduced the incidents of illegal border crossings.
Let’s look how Mexico handles illegal immigration on their own southern border:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back702.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/18/world/americas/18mexico.html?ex=1308283200&en=86b86b60a62a7f50&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
I know I said “don’t bother” earlier, but I’ll take a piece of that.
The first part of the statement is true. I don’t like Eric. I make no apologies for it. But understand that he gave me good reason to not like him. It’s not like I just woke up one morning and said “self, I think today would be a fine day to start disliking Eric”. Those whose opinions I value probably understand why I don’t like him.
Secondly, I’m not in the habit of just arbitrarily insulting people. When I insult people, it’s because they’ve earned it. I’m really not a particularly combative person. In fact, most people who know me well would describe me as “laid back”. Again, those whose opinions matter to me understand my point here.
Lastly, I have no problem with people with opposing viewpoints. But I do have a major problem with arrogance. I don’t accept it from others without calling them on it. Eric had a problem with being called on his.
Girl Killed in Foster Care
This shows the other side of the coin, re: the judge who gave the boy back to the biological mom. Imagine if this were your child, killed after having been torn from you because you weren’t a good enough parent.
Do we get to lynch the judge here, too?
Sorry… my last should’ve been posted in the Open Comments thread.
make that “IMPEACH the IDIOT”
rj
well we have to be proud of the leaders during the pearl harbor era plus our service soldiers.
our generation is a complete failure in regards to our pearl harbor - being 9-11.
look how we have handle this versus how pearl harbor was handled. this bunch is a disgrace. i will say (although i dont like gwb a whole lot) that he has a plan and is standing up for the country and wants to protect the citizens from this happening again.
the idea of fighting them there is working - the press just dont like it. the dems picked it up and both have disgraced this nation in unity on how to win what has happened on 9-11.
they are al disgraceful.
Found this picture of a guy that voted for Gov. Perry, forget his name though.
In the dark
EricPJohnson, Perry was re=elected. You can go home now and collect your check from the republicans.
I did not vote for the jurk, BTW.
this is very good on pearl harbor - hope you have good speakers
http://oldbluejacket.com/12-07-1941.htm
this is very good on pearl harbor - hope you have good speakers
http://oldbluejacket.com/12-07-1941.htm
Our politicians are working very hard on the
border problem. As soon as they figure out
how to maximize government control of the
privately owned land, their personal income potential, and votes for themselves,
they will do something.
#167: Thanks bigjolly. I’m eating lunch right now. Thanks…thanks alot…
EricP: China recently had a fence erected to keep the North Koreans out! Guess ya missed that story.
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#130 EricPJohnson
1. There are not supposed to be any ILLEGALs in the U.S. Armed forces.
2. Any recruiter knowingly enlisting an ILLEGAL would be subject to disiplinary action.
3. There are approximately 16,000 in the armed forces for which the status is unknown. This means that they could be citizens, Legal immigrants, or ILLEGAL. If found to be ILLEGAL they should be dismissed from service.
Eric,
I think any police officer will tell you that if a criminal really wants in your car, your alarm and locks won’t stop him. And if a criminal really wants in your house, the locks on your doors won’t stop him.
Does that mean you won’t lock your car and house?
No, a fence won’t stop every illegal and every drug runner and every terrorist, but it will be enough of a deterent to stop a lot of them.
Peter, laws against murder, robbery, rape, etc. don’t prevent those crimes from being permitted in general….HOWEVER, when we execute or incarcerate those individuals for periods of time, it sure as hell ensures THOSE individuals won’t be doing it again.
#176 Big45Iron
I’ve always said, “The Death Penalty may not be much of a deterrent, but it sure does cut down on recidivism.”
I’ve said it before and I will say it again. I still firmly believe that Friedman was not a good choice for governor, and as bad as Perry is, he’s better than the alternatives out there.
Am I happy about it? Hell no. I’d rather have a 10% conservative guy in office than a liberal like Friedman (and yes, he IS liberal) or a flaming liberal like Bell.
#172 ST
You shouldn’t be eating lunch so late…..
#42 Peter
Someone named Peter called in but I didn’t hear those questions. Was it you?
What Dan did say made a heck of a lot of sense to me.
I missed most of Dan’s show. Can you give me the highlights, bigj?
jimb
The sad thing is, we souldn’t even be having this discussion. Where is the leadership that is and does what we believe in? Meaning WE the base of the Republican party.
I’d vote for Kinky again. He’s not “that” liberal.
#178 jimb
We’ve met. You know I mean nothing personal about what I’m about to say, but it says what I mean perfectly….
I see the letters aren’t the same, but all I can read is, “Baaaaa!”
Mike Smith: Thanks again for my bumper sticker. If we had better candidates, I probably would not vote for him again.
#185 ST
My dad used to always say, “If a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his butt every time he hopped.”
184 - Nothing personal taken. I just think that it is really sad that the “best” we had was Friedman…
Ironically enough, it may serve us in the long run to have enough people see through Perry’s BS now that maybe, just maybe, people will vote him out in the primary, where you REALLY should cast your protest vote.
Nothing will happen unless we feel sufficient pain, and that hasn’t happened to enough people yet.
182 - they’re on holiday in the Bahamas with their lobbyist buddies. The Democrats are next cabana over…
By the way, i still maintain that I ain’t all that ’sheeplish’…
We didn’t have a chance for governor, nor a choice for governor. Perry has now proven that he gives not a tinker’s curse about what we think.
Slick Rick Perry Lied, more Americans will die at the hands of illegal aliens.
But what the Hell!! What’s a few more lost American lives when the main objective is a North American Union and the Trans Texas Corridor.
Can’t let lives get in the way of progress.
Looks like voting for Kinky was the right choice.
Peter,Phil, Et al
A fence than can be monitored is a good thing
The manpower to man a 2000 mile fence with response teams etc is really unfeasible
Like the governor said buy stock in ladder manufacturers
Dude
I think you
A. greatly proved my point
B. cannot debate without personal attacks
C. cannot understand that some people use facts not demagogeery (sp) or jingoistic phrases
I have told you I appreciate when you debate - when you respond I don’t appreciate when you make silly personal attacks
No one does and believe it or not most people reading these blogs don’t like them either
This is so good….you go Americans!!!
Kinky was our ONLY choice…and who said the gov office did not have that much clout? Better learn how to speak Spanish people…..or kick Gov good hair out and get someone like Kinky in. At least he is honest and loves Texas. More than I can say for any other candidate.
Eric,
I think you’ve been proven wrong on all three points in numerous instances. I have no problem debating with facts. I have a huge problem with people who think that their facts are the only facts and conduct themselves in a public forum as such.
On August 23, 2006, Peggy Fikac of the San Antonio Express-News blogged:
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On other points, Perry said he believes he and the other governors — three from the United States and six from Mexico — are of like mind on the idea of a border fence: ” I’m not sure there’s any of these 10 that are in favor of building a fence from Tijuana to Brownsville.” There may be a place for such structures in some urban areas, he said.
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This is NO DIFFERENT than his remarks the other day before the border mayors.
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Further, in his remarks to the mayors he said,
“there is no such thing as immigration reform without true border security”, and, “that’s why we
work so closely with border sheriffs, to increase patrols, to put more law enforcement boots on the ground to shut down the drug and human trafficking operations that exploit our porous border”, and “but we can not be naive and think that the criminal organizations and even terrorists have not, will not, exploit our border with Mexico. I do not want what happen in New York and Washington on 9-1-1, one day to happen in Houston or Dallas or Brownsville or El Paso.”
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Which is no different than what he was saying during the campaign.