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  1. flygal on January 4th, 2007 at 6:10 am

    Good Morning All
    I get to be first. YEA!

  2. emmekelley on January 4th, 2007 at 6:11 am

    2nd good mornin.

  3. flygal on January 4th, 2007 at 6:11 am

    BTW, as a continuation of the last story last night, this cartoon is a good idea for JM; also not a bad idea for the radical muslims who have sworn to kill the infidels.
    It’s Thursday

  4. Royko on January 4th, 2007 at 6:33 am

    Is this the new logo for the guy holding the Friday evening pig races out in Katy next to the allegedly intolerant new neighbors representing the so called religion of peace?

  5. SC on January 4th, 2007 at 6:43 am

    It’s Pelosi going after the previous Repub agenda.

  6. dowjones25k on January 4th, 2007 at 7:03 am

    gee this pic looks like our state republican office holders!!!!

    they eat a lot before they go in session.

  7. malcolm on January 4th, 2007 at 7:12 am

    This little piggy went to market,
    Looking for a Hill with a hoe;
    Found some Rhinos along the way,
    And out the door they go!

  8. sargevining on January 4th, 2007 at 7:20 am

    Yesterday, I posted this:

    sargevining Says:
    January 3rd, 2007 at 3:04 pm
    Why leaving Iraq is a very, very bad idea:

    http://www.nysun.com/article/46032?page_no=1

    Which reports that Iran is giving supplies to both sides of the insurgency in Iraq.

    Mike S Responded:

    Mike S Says:
    January 3rd, 2007 at 8:00 pm
    #88 -

    You have it confused Sarge. This is actually an example of why it was a very very bad idea to invade Iraq in the first place, instead of completing the mission in Afghanistan and forcing Pakistan to actually stop the creation and export of terror.

    We could have contained Iraq with far more minimal resources and slowly bleed him to death (or paid to have him axed by insiders or CIA), while putting major resources to work on more immediate and dangerous threats to our nation. And Iran would have no game to play in that situation. Plus, we would have plenty of extra resources to apply to the problem of Iran’s nuclear development thanks

    Whihc illustrates EXACTLY wht is wrong with the entire “We didn’t need to go to Iraq.” argument.

    It assumes that Iran wouldn’t have pulled this crap if we hadn’t invaded Iraq.
    Whihc is, at the very least, a very, very dangerous assumption in a world where jew-hating muslim fanatics are running a country that is running out of oil and needs more money for it’s nuclear program.

    Saddam was going to fall, sooner or later. All we did was make it happen on our time schedule and put us in a position to help decide who would run the place after he was gone.

    And THAT is why Iran is feeding both sides of the insurgecy. They want the oil because they are running out and we got there first. Tey would have done it, and would have been more successful at it, if we weren’t there.

  9. Adee on January 4th, 2007 at 7:23 am

    Nancy Pelosi revving up for her 4 days of celebration of her “coronation.”

  10. Dave D on January 4th, 2007 at 7:38 am

    1# flygal, be careful out there, it was “IFR” all the way into The Rocket Ranch, this morning, and the old GMC doesn’t even have a Mark 12, let alone a KX 170B.

  11. Yellowdogdem on January 4th, 2007 at 7:53 am

    But Sarge, the problem is that we committed all our troops to depose Saddam, we are now no better off, and in the meantime we neglected the threats from Iran and Pakistan. What part of that don’t you understand?

  12. sargevining on January 4th, 2007 at 7:55 am

    YD

    We have over a million trropps at our disposal. 130,000 are in Iraq.

    Your math is as bad sa your politics./

    And because we are in Iraq, Iran isn’t.

  13. sargevining on January 4th, 2007 at 7:58 am

    I also note that after two years of claiming our Army is “broken”, the Deomcrats don;t want to spend any money improving and increasing it.

    Which is it? Is it broken and in need of repair, or is it unecessary to fix it?

  14. SimpleSimon on January 4th, 2007 at 8:11 am

    Sarge,

    I have lived and worked in the middle-east. It is my observation that jew-hating muslim fanatics are not exactly in short supply in any of the countries. To be sure, Iran does not have a monopoly on that commodity.

    The conflict between Sunni and S’hia has been going on for a long time. 80% of the Muslim world is Sunni and the balance is mostly S’hia. Iran is surrounded by Sunni states. One of those states has nuclear and missle technology, which we indirectly provided.

    I don’t agree with 98% of the bunk that comes out of Iran, but I understand their paranoia and desire to have the means to protect themselves.

    We would expect nothing less of our government. Indeed we belive that the primary purpose of government is to provide for the common defense.

    Simple

  15. Nechasin on January 4th, 2007 at 8:12 am

    Does anyone know if Rep. Jim Pitts is a Rino like Craddick? Or is he a conservative?

  16. Peter on January 4th, 2007 at 8:18 am

    First!!!!!

  17. sargevining on January 4th, 2007 at 8:25 am

    The problem with Iran, Simple, is that the regard oil as a “weapon” that they can use against other nations, primaily the West to get what they want—not to defend themselves. They are running out—somee stimates say they onoy have about 5 years worth left at curent production levels—so now they need a new “weapon” to use so they can get waht they want.

    And Sunni/Shjia and all that stuff aside, we ARE much better off and much safer as long as we are in Iraq and the Iranians aren’t.

    Mike’s post from yesterday, and Yellerdawgs respionse more than adequately illustrates that the Left is incapable of making that connection—and why they think it’s no big deal forus to leave Iraq to them—not to mention the fact that they could give a crap less about the millions who will die.

  18. Katfish on January 4th, 2007 at 8:29 am

    Caption:
    *in best Jack Nicholson voice*

    “Herrrrrrrrrrrrrre’s Porky!!”

  19. Dave D on January 4th, 2007 at 8:31 am

    Uh-oh, Peter is off his medication. ;=)

  20. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 8:34 am

    What I think the liberals aren’t grasping yet is that it’s a war on terror. Not a war on Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, or any other country. All of them are supporting terrorism. Saddam certainly was. And once again, SADDAM had WMDs, SADDAM USED WMDs, SADDAM failed to prove he destroyed WMDs. It wasn’t up to us to prove he had them, it was up to SADDAM to prove he DIDN’T have them. Additional note: In 1991, we signed a CEASE FIRE with Saddam. Every time he fired at our planes in the no fly zone, he violated that cease fire…net result…GAME ON, Saddam lost. Hope that’s clear enough. This war is going to last at least 50 to 100 years. This isn’t a drive through fast war. How long did it take the British in Ireland? We are trying to change a culture. Short of nuking them out of existence, there isn’t anything else we can do except be in this war for the long haul.
    Putting our losses in perspective - and I do have family blood serving in the Anbar province:

    DIABETES deaths 193,141 in 1996 http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/statistics/survl99/chap1/mortality.htm

    CANCER ALL 563,700 in 2004 http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/publications/factsheets/ChronicDisease/pdfs/Arkansas.pdf

    AIDS 16,110 in 2000 http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2003supp_vol9no1/table8.htm

    HEART DISEASE 737,400 EST 2006 http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/publications/factsheets/ChronicDisease/delaware.htm

    STROKE 172,200 EST 2006 http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/publications/factsheets/ChronicDisease/delaware.htm

    Add to that murders, drunk drivers, abortion, etc. This whole protest over loss of life in the war on terror is nothing more than liberals trying to gain political power. They don’t give a tiny little damn about our military or what happens to them.

  21. MadDog on January 4th, 2007 at 8:44 am

    Sarge and YD - you guys are not going to change each others minds - or lack thereof.
    Would it not be more fun to just relax, sit back, and see who comes out on top?
    (BTW- my money is on Sarge)

  22. LapDancer on January 4th, 2007 at 8:45 am

    That pic is a artistic representation of Gary Michael Block who recently resigned his judgeship after losing the election, primarily due to chasing females around his chambers.

  23. Silo on January 4th, 2007 at 8:57 am

    Well I’m active duty military and I’m not in Iraq so Sarge wins.

  24. Dave D on January 4th, 2007 at 9:12 am

    I posted this last night but no one responded, I hope HAL don’t mind.
    I heard almost all of Dan’s interview and in the beginning he said something about guns, pawn shops and the NRA, and this new law being “reasonable”. Well Ole Dave’s “Red Flags” go up anytime I hear that kind of crap and I listened for most of the two hours and I didn’t hear anything about it, did they mention it?
    I really like Dan, but he is not a fan of the NRA, I guess you can take the Yankee out of the northeast but you can’t take the negative bias out of the Yankee.
    BTW; If you haven’t figure it out, I’m a Patron/Life Member of the NRA.

  25. duhmoose on January 4th, 2007 at 9:14 am

    Dave, The gun law is to prohibit people from carrying handguns in the areas of the police stations where prisoners are present. The idea being that a prisoner could attempt to take the weapon from the citizen, and cause harm to officers, civillians and/or other prisoners.

  26. Yellowdogdem on January 4th, 2007 at 9:30 am

    To Big45iron-Like Sarge you are trivializing the deaths of these soldiers to try and prove your point. How many soldiers need to be killed in this fruitless endeavor before you admit it was a mistake. 30,000?, 100,000, 300,000? What is an unacceptable number?

  27. southerntragedy on January 4th, 2007 at 9:40 am

    Pig Races this Friday 6-8pm.

    Katfish, you have mail.

    Have a great day to all!

  28. Silo on January 4th, 2007 at 9:43 am

    Too many people just do not understand the purpose of the military. We volunteer to protect those who either can’t or won’t. If that means we have to die to accomplish this then so be it. It was pretty clear to me when I joined that it was a possibility. So when people say the government is stupid for sending our troops to their deaths, what are you saying about the troops who ‘VOLUNTEERED’ to do just that. And then you try and make it all better by saying you support us. Give me a break.

  29. luv2hammer on January 4th, 2007 at 9:44 am

    Hey guys, I’m like #15 on Pitts, RINO or not. What’s the poop troop? Anybody know?

  30. sargevining on January 4th, 2007 at 9:57 am

    And Yellowdog

    You tirvialize the deaths of millions who will be killed if we kleave there.

    You trivialize the deaths of those killed by Saddam when you can’t even bring yourselvf to say whther or not saving those people friom that murderer was a moral act.

    You drip with hypocrasy and political opportunism.

    No mistake was mad in Iraq.

    Iran cann ot load trainloads of weapns and soldiers and trsnship them through Iraq to reenforce Hezbolah when they decide to fight Isreal.

    The Caliphate canno foremd.

    Osama bin Laden says it’s the most important battlefield in his war against us. Occupying that ground denies it to him.

    The Iranians have no chance to get that oil money to build their bombs with as long as we are there.

    but you don;pt care about the millions who were killed before we got there, and you don;t care about the millions that will die if we leave.

    The price you put oon human life is pitfully low.

    You are a hyopcrite of the highest order when you accuse us of trivializing death.

  31. emmekelley on January 4th, 2007 at 10:02 am

    #27

    ST

    Are you going to be there? I head out there to check things out.

  32. emmekelley on January 4th, 2007 at 10:12 am

    #28

    Silo

    Too many people just do not understand the purpose of the military. We volunteer to protect those who either can’t or won’t. If that means we have to die to accomplish this then so be it. It was pretty clear to me when I joined that it was a possibility. So when people say the government is stupid for sending our troops to their deaths, what are you saying about the troops who ‘VOLUNTEERED’ to do just that. And then you try and make it all better by saying you support us. Give me a break.

    Thank you silo and sarge for being the voice of support for our troops.

  33. emmekelley on January 4th, 2007 at 10:14 am

    Where is the place for the Brewhaha next Friday?

  34. DanielJames on January 4th, 2007 at 10:15 am

    It looks like Teddy said it best. “Right or wrong” that is what makes Americas great.

    To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Theodore Roosevelt

  35. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 10:20 am

    Yellowdog, having carried dead and dying Marines who were my friends, I don’t trivialize the death of any of our warriors on the battlefield, or anywhere else for that matter. And I support them if they’re wounded and recovering too. So don’t give me any garbage about that. Sarge is right on the money about your trivializing the results if we don’t fight this war. 300,000 US dead was the price we paid during WW2 for our survival, and that was when we had less than half the population we have now.

    Liberals don’t really think this is a battle for survival. It is. They don’t have to wipe out 100 million of us. A couple of nukes in a few cities around the US would wipe out our economy, and the rest of the world with it. Remember what happened with hurricane Rita? Imagine a nationwide economy with nothing on grocery store shelves and no gasoline for just one month. You liberals would be the first ones whining, “Why didn’t somebody do something?”.

    It’s the same thing you said about the killing fields of Cambodia. Never mind your implicit responsibility for millions dead because liberals cut off funding to help South Vietnam.

  36. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 10:30 am

    Why do liberals trivialize the murder of 3,000 unborn every day in this country for the last 30+ years?

  37. bigjolly on January 4th, 2007 at 10:32 am

    #35 Bigs

    Excellent point you and Sarge are making about the immorality of leaving helpless people to die. I don’t think that those on the left of the war will ever understand that.

  38. sargevining on January 4th, 2007 at 10:34 am

    Basically, Yellow dog trvializes the deaths of millions by saying that it’s not worth the lives of thousands to save them.

    Apparently, they are too “brown” for him.

    So were the Cambidians and Viet Names.

    And then they go an claim that conservatives are racists.

  39. fasternu426 on January 4th, 2007 at 10:40 am

    Big, they never see it. It is out of sight and out of mind. The war is a million miles away and babies are murdered before they see the light of day. It’s an abstract mental circle jerk for them. They also see no harm in the gov’t reaching into your pocket. It does not effect them. Don’t interrupt their having a good time. Their yard gets mowed by an illegal alien while they buy cheap tools produced at a Chi-Com military owned factory. Everything is good.

  40. Wino on January 4th, 2007 at 10:49 am

    #35, 36, 37…

    They need free health care and abortion on demand and WIC and free prescriptions and Medicaid and free emergency room service and a higher minimum wage, not to be able to live or not be raped or not have their children and family tortured to death in front of them.

  41. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 10:50 am

    BigJolly, as long as it’s not the liberals dying, the price is too high to pay. When they start dying, then no price will be too high.

  42. Maltboy! on January 4th, 2007 at 11:05 am

    Some poor kid in Webster hung himself after seeing the Saddam snuff video on TV. He was ten years old. This is so sad on so many levels.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4443091.html

  43. Yellowdogdem on January 4th, 2007 at 11:12 am

    I was on a plane six months ago with a woman who accidentally carried her hunting knife through all the airport security and was never stopped. she didn’t know it was in her purse until she went to get money for a drink. I read that one out of every one hundred containers that come into our ports are checked. People who’s student visa’s expired will not be rounded up because we don’t have the time or money to do anything unless they commit a crime.
    This is what worries me. We are wasting so much money on this war in Iraq, that we can’t effectively deal with other issues in the war on terror. Are we really worried about the Iraqi citizens who are dying every day? There are dictators all over the world killing people every day and we don’t raise a hand. We have less troops hunting down Bin Laden than we sent into Iraq. I think I would respect conservatives more if they just admitted what this war is about. Clueless George went into office carrying a grudge against Saddam “That’s the man who tried to kill my daddy” Hussein and used 911 as an excuse to invade.

  44. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 11:12 am

    Maltboy #42, all those years of watching Combat, Gunsmoke, Victory at Sea, playing war and cowboys and Indians, and all of my brothers and friends never once did something like that. You have to wonder what kind of environment this kid was raised in that he didn’t have the smarts to know reality from make believe. Sounds positively liberal in nature.

  45. twocute64001 on January 4th, 2007 at 11:19 am

    My question is this, would you rather the terrorist be here. Because if we were to stop fighting them over in Iraq / Afganistan, or where ever, they come here. and you better be prepared.

    Have a generator, because our power grid will be the first to go down, have canned foods, and you will need to support the NRA because you will need to be armed when they come through your door.

    OR we can fight them over there.

  46. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 11:19 am

    Other than bringing bin Ladin to justice, will it make a bit of difference in the war on terror if we get him? If we round up all the students on expired visas, we’ll be branded as racists by Democrats. If we check every container that comes in, you’ll find our shelves bare at the store. However, if you fight them overseas and seal the border (something neither Dems nor the GOP seem to want), and insist on complete nuclear inspections or we’ll bomb the crap out of you, then something will be accomplished. Of course, liberals would jump up and down if we bombed somebody else.

    Tell me again YellowDog, why couldn’t Clinton find the Atlanta Olympics bomber Eric Robert Rudolph for four years right here in the USA? He wasn’t found until Pres. Bush was in office.

  47. The Dude on January 4th, 2007 at 11:24 am

    Have a generator, because our power grid will be the first to go down

    Good point. Also make sure you have plenty of fuel on hand for that generator before it happens, because chances of you getting it after are slim to none. Remember how many cars were stuck on the highways fleeing Rita without fuel?

  48. SC on January 4th, 2007 at 11:27 am

    I had three full cars and a motorcycle during Rita. The bike was the only one I could use because of gridlock. I had to use the sidewalk.

  49. fasternu426 on January 4th, 2007 at 11:32 am

    47 Dude

    Remember the Y2K thing? The world was going to end. I lived in the Woodlands. I didn’t really think anything was going to happen, but…. I had bought a butt load of .45 ammo and .308 ammo spare magazines for both (the m-14 mags were 90 bucks each new at the time!!). I said If we run out of everything, I was going to use the neighbors as a food source.

  50. Maltboy! on January 4th, 2007 at 11:38 am

    #44 Big45Iron

    I think he was just a curious, compulsive kid who made the very bad decision to emulate something he saw on TV. It’s much like we did when we shot each other with our toy pistols when we were his age (BTW, the shows you mention didn’t show somebody being hanged and most never even showed blood). And there were unfortunate side-effects back then too. More than a few kids picked up loaded weapons that their stupid parents left lying around and accidentally killed themselves or others. Kids imitated what they saw on TV then, and they still do. I think this incident has more to do with human nature than politics. I can’t help but wonder why it was necessary for the media to play this snuff video for kids to see.

  51. DanielJames on January 4th, 2007 at 11:48 am

    twocute

    You better be stocked up on supplies no matter what. The argument of fighting them over there is pure bunk. We are importing muslims at record pace via visas and the borders are wide open.

    Tis the fool who is not prepared.

  52. SC on January 4th, 2007 at 11:51 am

    #50 I heard he saw it on Telemundo. They show much more graphic violence that many of the others. Their cameramen and reporters get right into the heart of what is going on. In this case I don’t believe it was right to show the hanging. That is a little too graphic.

  53. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 12:05 pm

    Daniel, it’s better to be prepared and look foolish, than it is to not be prepared and look dead.

  54. The Dude on January 4th, 2007 at 12:11 pm

    I said If we run out of everything, I was going to use the neighbors as a food source.

    I’ve heard that Faster’s neighbors taste just like chicken.

  55. One Voice on January 4th, 2007 at 12:15 pm

    Every Saturday during my elementary school days we trooped off to the local movie house to see the latest cowboy flick. There were lots of shoot-outs, fist fights, knocking someone out by hitting him over the head with a pistol, and hangings in these movies.

    Point? We KNEW it was make beleive! Not a one of us EVER tried to punch another in the face, hang someone, or even DARE to touch dad’s pistol!

    If these children are “influenced” by what they see on TV or in the movies the problem is with them - not what they see. I don’t care how many psycs pad their bank accounts saying differently!

  56. DanielJames on January 4th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    Now this is putting your money where your mouth is.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/04/wshop04.xml

    The year of living frugally: how 10 friends survived without shopping
    By Catherine Elsworth in Los Angeles

    It started as a pledge over dinner between friends worried about the impact of mass consumerism and today’s disposable society.

    “Let’s see if we can give up shopping for a year,” they said.

  57. Yellowdogdem on January 4th, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    Tell me iron-what does Eric Rudolph have to do with Osama Bin Laden? You are trying to deflect from the real problem and that is intellectually weak.

  58. One Voice on January 4th, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    Every Saturday afternoon during my elementary school days we trooped off the the local movie house to see that weeks western. Remember Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, et al?

    There were lots of fist fights, gun fights, and hangings in those flicks.

    Point? We KNEW it was make believe! We never once used our fists or tried to hang someone! As for even THINKING about touching dad’s pistol - makes me smart even now to think of the consequences!

    If children these days are “influenced” by what they see on TV or in the movies - the problem is with them, not what they see - I don’t care what the psychs (who are padding their bank accounts) say!

  59. The Dude on January 4th, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    The McCain/NASCAR connection. This should be profoundly disturbing to anyone who values free speech.

  60. The Dude on January 4th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
  61. DanielJames on January 4th, 2007 at 12:36 pm

    What do Osama “the big bad wolf” Bin laden and Eric Rudolph have in common?

    Both thought they were doing their Gods work.

  62. DanielJames on January 4th, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    TheDude

    Maybe Kirk should quote ole William O. Douglas

    Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-american act that could most easily defeat us.” Supreme Court Justice - William O. Douglas 1898 - 1980

  63. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    Yellow, everybody else but you understood the point that persons hiding in remote areas by people who are friendly to them are difficult to find. I should have made it easier for you to understand. Sorry. I also think everybody else got the point that when bin Ladin is captured or killed, the war will not be over. Is that simple enough for you? If not, we can’t help you any further since you can’t grasp the concept of comparative logic.

    So tell us Yellow, how would you cure radical Islam and world terrorism? Let us hear your master plan please.

  64. SC on January 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    #60 Dude maybe that’s what we need is to pissoff the NASCAR crowd(self included)to turn the tide.

  65. Robert on January 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pm

    There is only one caption for this picture:

    “You ain’t cuttin’ no pork!!!” Dimwit or Republican!!

  66. The Dude on January 4th, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    SC,

    The scary thing for me is that I only see three possibilities in the way of Republicans for ‘08:

    McCain, Giulliani, or Romney

    I don’t really like any of those choices, but I can honestly say that McCain would be dead last if I had to choose one of them. Newt Gingrich would be good, but I haven’t heard anything concrete about his plans yet. If I hear that Mr. Gingrich is in the mix I’ll start thinking in terms of a turned tide.

  67. fasternu426 on January 4th, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    Dude,
    Not chicken, Long Pig….

  68. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 2:06 pm

    I still need to hear more from Duncan Hunter. As a candidate, he would be my first choice, yet the press (and everybody here) seem to have forgotten him.

  69. marc on January 4th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Hope this isn’t too long for HAL or Squawk.

    This is for all the kids born in the 70’s who do
    not remember, and didn’t have to bear the
    burden that our fathers, mothers and older
    brothers and sisters had to bear.

    Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
    “100 Women of the Century.”
    BY BARBRA WALTERS

    Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
    countless others have never known how Ms.
    Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
    but specific men who served and sacrificed
    during Vietnam.

    The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot

    The pilot’s name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

    In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
    Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
    the “Hanoi Hilton.”

    Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
    cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ’s, he was
    ordered to describe for a visiting American
    “Peace Activist” the “lenient and humane
    treatment” he’d received.

    He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
    dragged away.
    During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
    on to the camp Commandant’s feet, which
    sent that officer berserk.

    In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
    double vision (which permanently ended his
    flying career) from the Commandant’s frenzied
    application of a wooden baton.

    From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
    47FW/DO (F-4E’s). He spent 6 years in the
    “Hanoi Hilton”,,, the first three of which his
    family only knew he was “missing in action”.
    His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
    His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
    clothed routine in preparation for a
    “peace delegation” visit.
    They, however, had time and devised a plan to
    get word to the world that they were alive
    and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
    piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
    on it, in the palm of his hand.

    When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
    cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
    man’s hand and asking little encouraging
    snippets like: “Aren’t you sorry you bombed
    babies?” and “Are you grateful for the humane
    treatment from your benevolent captors?”
    Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
    palmed her their sliver of paper.
    She took them all without missing a beat. At the
    end of the line and once the camera stopped
    rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
    she turned to the officer in charge and handed
    him all the little pieces of paper.

    Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
    Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
    but he survived, which is the only reason we
    know of her actions that day.

    I was a civilian economic development advisor
    in Vietnam, and was captured by the North
    Vietnamese communists in South Vietna m in
    1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

    I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
    year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year
    in a “black box” in Hanoi.
    My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
    poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
    nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
    Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
    Cambodian border.
    At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
    (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

    We were Jane Fonda’s “war criminals.”

    When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by
    the camp communist political officer if I would
    be willing to meet with her.

    I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
    treatment we POWs received… and how
    different it was from the treatment purported by
    the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
    “humane and lenient.”

    Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
    floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
    with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
    and beaten with a bamboo cane.

    I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
    soon after I was released. I asked her
    if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
    She never did answer me.

    These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
    someone who should be honored as part
    of “100 Years of Great Women.”
    Lest we forget…” 100 Years of Great Women”
    should never include a traitor whose hands are
    covered with the blood of so many patriots.

    There are few things I have strong visceral
    reactions to, but Hanoi Jane’s participation in
    blatant treason, is one of them.
    Please take the time to forward to as many
    people as you possibly can.
    It will eventually end up on her computer and
    she needs to know that we will never forget.

    RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
    716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
    Maintenance

  70. marc on January 4th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Thanks HAL.

  71. Wino on January 4th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    #68 Big45

    I haven’t forgotten him. I never knew who he was in the first place, and still don’t know who he is.

    Link?

  72. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    Wino, Duncan Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, who’s Marine officer son has done several tours in Iraq? He’s been on the radio with Edd and Dan several times.

    Marc, you better check your urban legends on that:

    http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

  73. Wino on January 4th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    #72 Big45

    I travel (a lot). I miss a lot of local shows. I’ve never heard of him.

  74. duhmoose on January 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    Wino,
    He has a decent wikipedia article, I would cut and paste, but my computer is acting funky today.

  75. The Dude on January 4th, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    I was like Wino on Duncan Hunter. It’s not that I forgot, I just didn’t know. I don’t listen to talk radio at all now, so I wouldn’t have heard of him there. It seems that this is the defining problem of his candidacy:

    2008 Presidential campaign
    On October 30, 2006, Hunter announced his intention to consider running for the Republican nomination for President in 2008. “You never say never, but Congressman Hunter faces extremely long odds given that practically no one apart from students of Congress knows who he is,” said Jack Pitney, a government professor at Claremont McKenna College. “He’s a good member of Congress, a very effective chairman of Armed Services. It’s just that he has no following within the party.”

    - from Wikipedia

  76. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 2:41 pm

    Duncan Hunter

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Hunter

    http://www.house.gov/hunter/

    I don’t see a campaign website yet.

  77. Wino on January 4th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    Big and The Dude

    I don’t doubt that Hunter would be a good candidate, considering only his views, but that’s not what makes a good candidate.

    If I haven’t heard of him, I doubt many people have. The Dude’s wikiquote pretty much sums it up precisely. Unless he can get significant name recognition in the next three to six months, then his campaign’s only worth will be to get his name recognition numbers up for a possible 2012 or 2016 run.

  78. twocute64001 on January 4th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    PRESIDENT BUSH WILL NOMINATE ZALMAY KHALILZAD — AN AFGHAN MUSLIM CURRENTLY SERVING AS AMBASSADOR TO IRAQ — AS THE NEW U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N., ABC NEWS IS REPORTING… DEVELOPING…

    OOOH YEA a muslim will have our (US) interests at heart!

  79. Katfish on January 4th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    #78 I ‘get’ your concerns…..but let’s get real - would ANYONE we place as Ambassador to the United Nothings do the U.S. one shred of good? Hell it could be freakin Pee Wee Herman for all the respect the U.N. has for us….

  80. Wino on January 4th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    #79 Katfish

    Put me in there. I’d make the Democrats long for the “good ol’ days” with John Bolton.

  81. sargevining on January 4th, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    Great series of posts here on Small Wars Journal that shoots down some idiot amateur’s interpretation of how we should be fighting in Iraq. It’s the “Kill Them All, Let God Sort Them Out, The More The Rubble, The Less The Trouble” method some amatuers here have expressed in the past—or that guys like Yellowdog think is the way wars are fought.

    Here’s his last bit:

    Vietnam was lost because the political class was unwilling to kill enough Vietnamese to win. The Military was unwilling to explain this to the politicians, which made the pols think we could win on the cheap. When the pols foiund out the Military Commanders had lied to them, they pulled the plug. The current generation of Military Leaders is making the same mistake. Lack of Moral Courage.
    Pace needs to Explain to President Bush that winning in Iraq means war against Iran, Syria and maybe the KSA. It also means killing Iraqi’s until they say they have had enough, and one. If that is too high a price to pay, then we need to get out. Bring everybody back home and start memorizing the Koran.
    My peraonal sign that the Presidnt is willing to pay the price will be a change of ROE’s. when the ROE is ‘If it moves, shoot it, if it doesn’t move blow it up.’, then we will be on track for winning. We can play H&M with the survivors
    The best H&M approach would have been for Congress to declare Iraq a Territory. Then the FBI could take over and do what the Army is trying to do today, with no training and the wrong tools. It is too late for that now.

    believe Saddam Hussein endorsed the same type of counterinsurgency methods you are encouraging us to use here. If so, what exactly made him such a bad guy?

    What counterinsurgency did Gen. LeMay ever win?

    If the USMC ever adopts a doctrine similar to what you are talking about here, I will go to jail rather than follow it. I did not enlist to become a cowardly murderer of civilians or a war criminal.

  82. sargevining on January 4th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
  83. sargevining on January 4th, 2007 at 7:16 pm

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/01/chocolate-city-surpasses-iraq-in.html

    Murder rate in Nawlins is 8 times higher than the national Average…and 50% larger than Iraq’s

  84. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 7:25 pm

    Sarge, perhaps our massive bombing of Germany and Japan ensured there was no insurgency. But I am not advocating that in this case. I would let the Muslim world know that if a WMD is ever used on our soil, Mecca will cease to exist. Then let them stew on that. But I hope you weren’t including me on the total war program….at least not at this stage. As I’ve said before, I think we could put a stop to this by dropping leaflets from Morocco to the Philippines showing them the 72 virgins all look like Janet Reno.

  85. Big45Iron on January 4th, 2007 at 7:27 pm

    Since I lived in New Orleans from 1974 to 1977, I was advocating we pull out of New Orleans then….it just wasn’t worth the cost. Sorry Owen.

  86. Dave D on January 4th, 2007 at 7:59 pm

    BTW; I just saw the Katy Pig races on CNN, it was great. The Baker guy was so good; he didn’t care what the interviewer thought about his lack of feelings and diversity. Later on the show they had a black preacher from Florida that was trying to keep a Mosque from starting up in his poor black neighborhood because he thought that they would try to recruit young black men to become terrorists. Of course the host, (Paula Zahn), all leggs no brains was just aghast, and if the Moslems had their way she would be denied any education and would be forced to wear a Burka. She also had three so called experts, (Moslems), that said that this was just a bunch of ignorant fools, nobody from the other side.

  87. DanielJames on January 4th, 2007 at 9:37 pm

    Somebody should force Paula Zahn to wear the head dress for a few days. Just to show her what real diversity is.

    I will be attending the piggy races this week.

  88. tedtam on January 4th, 2007 at 10:39 pm

    Anybody else with IE7 having problems with typing? Letters keep getting dropped and I have to keep backing up to retype; slowing down doesn’t even help. Letters just aren’t typing. I feel like I’m typing through molasses, and I normally generate a small breeze when I’m moving my fingers. It’s really annoying!

  89. Jean on January 5th, 2007 at 7:17 pm

    Big & Sarge so many things to comment on from your posts, all I can say is RIGHT ON!
    Leaving Iraq to suffer the same fate as Nam and of course Somalia and others, are a sure death sentence to our country.
    I think instead of calling on all the PC brainwashed Politicos we ought to just place a call to Etheopia and say “How’d ya’ll do that?”
    The idea that the Iraqis people are not wanting to help and blah, blah is against the known facts! How many Millions came out to vote????? Most countries fighting these animals have been doing it for decades, should the people expect Iraq to be different?
    Lebanon was a “quote” free prosperous country, now look at it. Hezbollah will cont. till fight and the Lebs NOW have a harder fight their hands than if the People would have risen up in the 1st place. That is a perfect lesson for us, are we listening?

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