There has been so much hysteria about the Compean/Ramos convictions that the increase in violence along the border has been overlooked. Whether you are a part of the Al Sharpton-ing of the Judicial system or if you support the removal of bad cops from our streets, you should read this article about the incident earlier this year when our National Guard troops retreated from armed men.
The men who confronted the soldiers were armed with automatic weapons and wearing ballistic vests when they saw the soldiers, split into two groups and appeared to be trying to surround them, authorities said. Before the Guardsmen retreated, one gunman came within 35 feet of the soldiers, according to a National Guard report. The outlaws’ nationality was unclear, investigators said.
Split into two groups, appeared to be surrounding them. Wow. Which leads to this:
Texas soldiers will undergo additional training on what to do if they are separated from their teams or taken hostage or kidnapped.
Wow again. Texas soldiers. Hostages. Perhaps the NG needs to rethink their rules of engagement.
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I wonder what it is going to take for all levels of government to become concerned and get serious about the border problem. You read and hear about all this discussion, yet you see no action. They pass legislation and it stops there. I hope it doesn’t take another 9/11, where we find out the terrorists came over border to get here. Or, we capture terrorists sneaking themselves and WMD’s into this country for us to do anything about it. I hate to wear out this old cliche but: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!! With the Dimwits in charge, our goal seems to dumb down the US a major super power where we are all exist on the same level of power, the good guys and the bad guys. Let Hillary into the White House and we will get there sooner rather than later.
Everything’s fine.
Just ask Eric.
Yes - its fine - just a weekend in New Orleans
What’s the problem everyone?
I’m sure they we’re just ordinary people with AK-47’s here to do work no one else wants to do!!!
Amazed anyone would look at that as “fine”. Goes to show you when we are going to end up if something is not done sooner than later.
oops where not when
Its not Bush or Perrys fault!
What happens when you dont set boundaries for the children you are raising?
Mexcio is like a small child. They will continue to take and take until The People take a stand.
Did I mention its not Bush or Perrys fault?
Just wait til the Minutemen are considered “Domestic Terrorists” as is written in a bill right now in AZ.
I guess they then could be jailed etc without charges etc for any amount of time etc?
DanielJames
I have to agree that the proposed law is about as stupid as it gets. I use the linked provided yesterday to express my diaapproval. Basically I said the only reason the MinuteMen exist because the Government failed to do their job. I applaud the efforts of groups such as the MinuteMen. I doubt the bill passes.
AND it is Perry’s and Bush’s fault along with the rest of the Government that has failed to take action.
I let her have it yesterday. I have not heard back.
I guess I will let her have it again today.
Wow, you mean there is proposed legislation forbiding someone like the Minutemen from doing a job that the federal government is suppose to do but won’t. Why, because they can do it efficiently and at a lower cost or because it makes the government look bad. Does that legislation also cover “COP” (cabs on patrol) where cabdrivers report any illegal actions they see. Or how about “Crime Stoppers” who tip off the authorities about criminals and where they are located. How are these not the same thing??
I dont know Robert. I am too busy toking.
Did you let Simena have it yet?
Robert:
The bill filed would define anyone Not formally affiliated with law enforcement who patrol in search of illegal activity while armed as a domestic terrorist.
So I guess if you are on neighborhood watch, and legally carry a handgun, you would at the passing of this bill become a domestic terrorist.
AZ is open carry. Beside the bill being an open border bill it is also an assault on the 2nd Amendment.
Oh, and how about private security that are armed, will they become “domestic terrorists”. What would happen if the landowner paid the Minutemen, say a dollar a day, for “security”. They could start a company called MinuteMen Security Services providing border security. Gosh, there seems to be a lot of loopholes in that legislation.
Robert
Are security guards considered “formally affiliated with law enforcement”?
If not I guess they would be Domestic terrorist also.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=state&id=4992080
“The driver of a pickup hauling apparent illegal immigrants was killed today near Alamo after losing control of the vehicle while trying to outrun border agents.”
No doubt Johnny Sutton is preparing to prosecute the border agents for endangering the lives of illegal aliens.
18
Sutton claims that, during his tenure, his office has sided with every other agent who shot someone (including deaths)and all of them have been cleared. He said the others did not violate federal law and lie and cover up.
This should all be a matter of public record. So if you can disprove it, have at it. It’s not the kind of thing you hear on Squawk Radio.
#19
Suttons office has prosecuted at least 1 Deputy sheriff for shooting at a van he said tried to run him down and wounding an ILLEGAL.
I also think that he prosecuted a border patrol agent in 2001 were the original conviction was overturned because the prosecutor withheld evidence. I will try to find something on this one.
Reply to No. 17: What would happen if you hired off duty law enforcement officers for security purposes? That piece of legislation is probably not worth the paper it’s written on. We have already thought of so many “what if’s” that only an ambulance chasing lawyer will benefit from trying to interpret it. But isn’t that what most legislation is designed to do, create job security for lawyers??
Robert
Of course the proposed bill is stupid and has a snow balls chance of passing, but it does demonstrate the mentality of some of our Congresspersons.
Rick G.
The 2001 civil rights conviction of a Border patrol agent in Penitas, Texas was overturned because the prosecutor suppressed evidence and lied about benifits given to an alien witness. In retrial the agent was aquitted. The ILLEGAL was given $80,000.00 and the agents life was ruined. Pentias, isn’t that in Suttons district?
Of course Sutton may say he didn’t lie because he said he never prosecuted and agent that used his weapon. In the case of the deputy well he isn’t a border patrol agent, and in the case of the Border patrol agent well he hit a guy trying to take his weapon with a flashlight.
How many people caught this part of the article:
Up until now, we’ve been told that these guys were coming FROM Mexico and that the soldiers retreated in the face of what could have been an “armed invasion.”
It may be a small point, but that part of the argument of “retreat” is now shot all to hell.
These guys were not trying to cross INTO the US—they were trying to GET OUT of the country.
Which does increase the suspicion that they were criminals—but they were criminals trying to LEAVE.
It also shoots down the “probing of weaknessess” argument that’s been made.
23 trl3
Sutton didn’t become US Attorney until Nov. 2001, so I doubt that conviction happened on his watch. Further, if the conviction happened in 2001, then it almost certainly wouldn’t have been Sutton who made the decision to bring the charges.
Where would I find the info on the 2001 case you cite?
And surely you are not arguing that law enforcement folks who shoot people should never be prosecuted. Let me tell you something: When I go back to my small hometown, I am sometimes terrified by the realization of some of the people with guns and badges - because I know them! Sadly, there are bad apples.
And are you getting all of the “facts” about the deputy’s case from talk radio?
We’ve seen where DJ is decrying the fact that a bill in AZ would deprive US citizens of thier weapons when walking around on the border.
I agree that this is an abridgement of the Second amendement. I don;t want any government policy or procedure that would tend to take away my right to protect myself in dangerous places like the Border.
DJ has, therfore, entered into the picture yet another possible scenario:
These guys may have been Minute Men exercising thier open carry rights while patrolling the border for illegals and happened up these guys.
Go ahead, give the National guard instructions to shoot when they see armed men on the Border.
But teach them how to tell the difference between armed Minute men, Armed Drug Dealers and these guys:
http://www.visualcollector.com/TMHS/BW-Battle.html
New rules of engagement - SHOOT THE SOB’s
RickG
Info on 2001 border patrol case: Google David Sipe.
As for getting all my information from talk radio, As much as I like it I do not get to listen often. That is not where my information came from and you are being less than honest to claim it.
I am not giving a blanket defense of Police shootings of suspect that do not warrent shooting. I do not know if the Border Patrol agents are guilty or not. I do Know that enough questions exist in this case for a serious review of the material, that the material is being denied, and it makes me wonder if justice is being served. Will it be justice if these agents spend 5 years in prison only to find out they should have never been there?
I think all the questions need to be answered now, that the FACTS need to be public, and let the chips fall where ever.
Who?
The Minute Men who are patrolling the border?
Ranchers shooting four legged coyotes?
Who here is willing to give up thier Second Amendement Right to carry a weapon anywhere in this country?
enjamin Frnaklin had something to say about that:
“Those who give up thier rights to attain security end up with neither.”
If you are going to change the NG ROE to “Shoot the SOBs”, then you are going to have to deny the Minutmen—and private property owners—the right to carry a self defense weapon along the Border—JUST TO KEEP THE NATIONAL GUARD FROM SHOOTING AT THEM.
sargevining #24
One article, written almost a month after the event, speculates about who the men were and what they were doing, and you declare this to be the factual event and discount all other reports.
Wow. what a totally fair evaluation of what happened. BTW the reporters speculation appears to conflict with the National Guards official version of the event.
Can you just imagine a unit with LRRP like skills getting caught flat footed by a few drug smugglers trying to smuggle drug money to Mexico.
I wonder how the LEO in AZ do their jobs.
Man if everybody has a gun how do you know who or what is bad?
Tokin………………..
28 trl3
I don’t know of anyone who has said we shouldn’t see the facts. And there is plenty of criticism of the Court and/or Court Reporter for supposedly still not having a transcript available to answer some of these questions.
What I take issue with is for people (this is not directed to you) who make definitive statements, claiming them to be facts, and who can’t produce corroboration, particularly when there should be documents which would establish or refute those statements. The folks attacking Sutton who do this are not justified in making baseless claims just because they are dissatisfied about some foot dragging. By the way, I don’t know if Sutton has the power to order an official court court reporter to do anything, so I’m not sure the criticism of him on that point is even valid. The Judge would surely be a different story.
I do wonder why the Court refused these men bail pending appeal. Was there some reason to believe they would flee the country? I have never heard that claimed by either side, so I would be curious about the judge’s reason. I read that DOJ did not oppose bail, but I am skeptical about anything I read on on this case at this point. However, I presume that will also be in the court records when available.
Nope;
Merely pointing out yet ANOTHER inconsistency in the story.
Can you show me one article that DEFINATIVELY states that they wer coming FROM the border?
Or is it just the situation that made one normally well informed gentleman on this blog claim that they were “armed and crossing the river”?
So far, all I;ve seen is a bunch of people reporting things that the WANT to be true.
Provide me with any evidence that:
1. Proves who these people were.
2. Tells us in which direction they were travleing.
Everything esle surrounding this has been pure speculation.
What we really need is the AAR (After Action Report) from the NG personnel.
Having a gun does not make you bad. Your conduct does.
The court reporter works for thje judge, not the prosecutor.
It’s my understanding (and I stand to be corrected) that both of these men have family in Mexico. Normally, that’s enough for any judge to deny bail.
But I’m with you, they should be out on pre-appeal bond
36 sarge
Yes, but my point was I don’t know if there is anything Sutton could do about the transcript. I suspect not, and sounds like you agree. This would mean that all the hot air about Sutton sitting on the transcipt is just another example of a lot of critics who don’t know what they’re talking about.
Sargevining
The National Guard statement said armed men, wearing military style clothing, wearing vest, CROSSED the border. Their actions were military like and it was speculated that they were former military working for the drug cartels. When approaching the outpost they split with the main body approaching and flankers to each side at which time he Guardsmen followed their standing order and retreated to their vehicle an moved approximately 200 yards away and continued to observe. They called the Border Patrol who monitored their movement as they returned to Mexico.
trl
Please provide the link.
I’ve seen somany people claim to know so much, and claimed it all to be true—including that they crossed a river—
I want to see the AAR, or something I can trust 100% top give me the proof.
Can you find it?
sarge, I luv you man, but you’re getting off the plantation on this one. Re: ROE - the National Guard INTERNAL report says that the group split up and appeared to be surrounding them. The National Guard is responding by stepping up training on what to do if (and when?) you are taken hostage. You were very perceptive to pick up the point that these guys could have been returning to Mexico with their loot. Now, apply that same perception to the ROE.
And I’m not saying that they were wrong to retreat because (1) they were under orders to do so and (2) they were outnumbered by some very sophisticated armed men. These weren’t river crossers with no shoes on their feet.
Jolly;
Yes, I understand—but the article you posted gives the impression that they were going in the opposite direction of what everybody thknks happen.
The other day, you posted an article that they got a commnedation. If there is a citation, there may be some information there…and the AAR would definetly help.
You tell me if they were coming into or ging out of the country.
if they were leaving, do we want the NG to stop them or shoot them?
And there is NO RIVER to cross in Arizona—at the border anyway. The Rio Grande turns north in New Mexico.
As to the ROE:
Soldiers shouldn;t be shooting at people within the boundaries of the United States, aremed or otherwise, unless fired upon.
I use an AR-15 to shoot coyotes and looters. If someone is out by the barn at night, I take that with me.
I don’t want a rancher—or a Minute man—shot by the NG. I want them both to be able to protect themselves.
Sarge
At last count there were over 5billion4hunfred98million3hundred37point 145639 stroies on the web from reputable newspapers of military clad invasioners coming towards the national gaurd just as TRL3 said.
BTW I already corrected myself on the river part and that little mistake does not detract from the F A C T that it happened. In other words. Look it up your self. Sheesh
Note to Serge’ just because it does not show up on milbogdowns does not mean it is not true. Oh yeah and the converse is true.
Howsabout you start sourcing all your milbogdown stories?
#43 sargevining
The next time you and your buddies put on ballistic vests and carry automatic weapons and split up to surround that coyote….well, you know.
And I pointed out that they weren’t river crossers…..so I miss your point.
I did not say they did not “go toward” the NG.
Isaid I don’t recall one that actually said what direction they were coming from.
If there are so many articles, it ought to be easy to find one or two in the next couple of minutes.
Right?
Sarge the story is T R U E about armed military dressed inSERGE’nt invasioners coming across the US MEXICO border toward the NG.
There is also stories of the same style groups being caught by sherriff dept. look em up. I found have read the stories without someone looking them up for me.
go here:
http://www.kapowwe.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=R&Category_Code=7-31-05_section_8_airsoft
Look at what these guys are wearing.
Then go to the “tactical Gear” section to see where they buy it and how much it costs.
Then realize that it’s all set up so they can shoot at each other with 6mm BBs.
then tell me if you want the NG to start shooting them.
Squawk;
it’s beginning to lookmlike you can’t come up with anything that says what direction these guys were going in
BTW;
Anybody who wants to buy any of those neat toys those guys are playing with—the shop is in Tomball.
#49 sargevining
C’mon sarge, you can do better than that. You yourself have pointed out that the area these NG’s were protecting was miles from high density popluation. Were there to be pretend “war games”, I can guarantee you that the NG would have known about it. You must acknowledge that to move beyond your current position.
I’m saying that the NG should consider modifying their ROE. You are saying that they are correct in giving their troops training on what they should do if (when?) they are held hostage.
To be perfectly honest, if I’m one of those NG’s, I’d take the ROE modification. Hostage situations rarely turn out for the best, even with training.
#51 sargevining
Comparing what those NG’s were faced with in the sparse desert, late at night to boys in Tomball playing BB guns is well beneath someone that served our country honorably for 10 years.
BB gun players don’t take people hostage, torture and kill them.
Heavily armed drug runners, either coming or going, do.
Still tokin………………….
#54 DanielJames
Do you have those big paisley flowers on your bug?
BJ
He cant do better than that. Serge never gives in even when he is wrong.
Tokin………………….
No…Pewter and blue.
Tokin…………………
BTW. I love the fact that serge is now quoting the founding fathers.
They were smart mofos.
jolly;
Your last post tried to make the point that it is unreasonable to assume that there are innocent people walking around wearing military gear and vests.
I provided a post within 10 minutes (and that’s b/c AOL farted on me during that time and I had to shut it down and log back on) that showed that it is indeed NOT unreasonable to expect that innocent people would be barbed that way.
At the same time; I challenged somebody 24 minutes ago to provide one article that stated which direction those guys were coming from.
Ain’t seen one yet.
#58 sargevining
And that is where you are wrong. It is grossly unreasonable to expect to find innocent people walking around in military gear and vests late in night in an extremely remote area near the border in a desert.
Try again. BTW, there is no definitive answer on the direction they were coming from in print that I have seen. 99% of the traffic indicates that they were coming from Mexico, 1% speculates that they could be returning to Mexico. Doesn’t make a rat’s rear end of a difference except as a lousy debating tactic. Should the NG review the current ROE or not?
44 Squawk ‘
“At last count there were over 5billion4hunfred98million3hundred37point 145639 stroies . . . ”
Wow, that’s a lot.
To bad somebody didn’t shoot one of THOSE fellows and then we’d have cold hard evidence of the Mexican military’s complicity.
54 DJ
Have any extra?
The only innocent people that could possibly have been out in that desert would be the Minutemen, which is why that program should be monitored closer than a tick on hound dog’s back or scrapped.
DJ must have a lot, he’s been tokin for at least 72 hours straight. Although without the stickers on his bug, he might be a pretender.
Did I really type “closer than a tick on a hound dog’s back”?
Wow. I gotta back away from the keyboard. See you guys tomorrow.
Serge’
See ya Serge’ you are now NWOR
That is my R.O.E. for dealing with Y-O-U.
So I am out of here ASAP
In my BVDs
To eat me a can of B&B’s cause I ain’t got no MREs.
#59
Jolly;
I rally beg to differ with you—abnd it comes from experience.
If you are going to engage in a hobby where you walk around in miltary gear and carrying weapons at night—the lstplace you want to do it in is in a populated area—and the best place for it is in remote areas where the frikkin police won;t be called on your ignorant ass and shoot you by accident.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/01/apborder070130/
Serge’
Yeppers someone tells you a true story and then challenge you to look it up for yourself you try to discount em with “which way were they going”. If I said north you would say I was lying or asking if they were wearing boxers or briefs. To wit I would respond they were freeballin AND THE CIRCLE GETS WORSE.
So then you toss out the re-enactment people.
You are definately NWOR
Squawk;
I’m going to take your last two posts as meaing you can’t come up with a news story that tells us anything other than these guys were “approached.”
If you could, you’d have been all over with me with it by now.
the point I’m tryuing to make hre is the hysteria everyone is buying into.
There are “automatic assumptions” being macde, based entirely on personal prejudices as to how the matter is viewed. Empircal fact seems to have no place in this debate, and wehn someone asks for it to be provided, they get ridiculed.
As with the trial transcipts being “withheld” or the NHS IG being “stonewalled” (until the paperwork is filed), there is a stark absence of actual fact and source documents.
This was originally being portrayed as an “armed invasion” from “across the border’ (with you being absolutely CERTAIN they crossed the river).
all I’m asking is for folks to get the facts before we start claiming this or that is true.
See there you are discounting me. But hey that’s OK Serge’. Yep I spend my time spreading FUD.
You know why I no longer post my sources for you Serge’? Because I have seen you poopoo perfectly legit news sources. So go findem yourself. I have.
The facts are out there still, have been posted here, discussed on KSEV, KPRC and KTRH.
Nice touch outting in the reenactment guys. Talk about disinformation. Yeah yeah i knoe you did not say it was them but the insinuation is there.
See ya. N longer WOR
Nope—said before:
It is not unrealistic that innocent people would be walking around who look like armed men with tactical gear and vests.
Nice try at mischaracterising my post.
I’m also not trying to prove anybody wrong. I’m trying to get some facts.
One fact i want is “Where were these guys coming from?”
It’s a small thing, but the answer tells us if this was an “armed invasion from Mexico” or something else entirely.
I’ve now found two articles—and posted them here—taht indicates that these gjys were moving north to south into mexico, not coming from there to “probe” our defenses.
Here’s something else to consider:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0113roberts0113.html
So now we have a National Guard spokesman saying it’s not unusual for armed men to cross the border. and we have yet abnother article which fails to tell us in which direction these guys were traveling.
Trl3
Sutton was appointed in late october 2001 and took office later that year.
That deputy was prosecuted much earlier in the Spring of 2001. Sutton may have been involved in the case during sentencing or appeals phase but was not the US Attorney who handled the case.
RickG
Transcripts are not public property especially when there are sensitive witnessess - no one has a god given right to a transcript except the defendants on appeal. Not the President, not congress and its been that way for about 200 years
Remember how Barack Obama got elected - he got the sealed records opened on his opponents child custody hearings and the transcripts and embarassed him out of the race.
Contrary to our post OJ world, Justice is not a spectator sport its a serious serious issue and factions manipulating the public cannot be allowed to circumvent the court system regardless of the cause - then end result will be the end of our country.
squeekbox;
is it your sole purpose in life, to counter everything that SARGE say’s?
Just wondering, because it sure seems that way.
rj
Eric
The record of any public trial is public record and thus subject to FOIA.
The President and Congress have oversite of the Judiciary and thus has a right to the record.
Sargevining
If they acknowledge that armed men cross the border every day, why the hell don’t they put a stop to it?
#49 Sarge: As a matter of fact, yeah, I am saying the NG needs to start shooting armed criminals entering our country illegally.
What’s the problem? They damn sure would do the same if someone entered Mexico under the same circumstances.
As a matter of fact, it should be considered an act of war! We’ve fought these bastards twice before(corrupt Mexican Govt), and unless they can start being better neighbors, we may have to kick their a$$e$ again!
I agree.
Now all you have to do is to tell me how they can tell the difference between armed criminals an armed innocent citizens—like Minute Men or Ranchers—at night.
#78 Sarge:
By confronting them, and challenging them to identify themselves.
If they are US citizens, I sure they will be glad to indicate such.
If they are not, they will probably say something clever like, ‘We don’t need no stteeeeenkin’ badges!!
If they shoot: light ‘em up!!!!
In short, it shouldn’t be that hard to do!
OK-
So what we need to do is to ask our elected representatives to change Posse Comitatus togive the United States Military police powers over citizens, and the ability to shoot at citizens if they feel threatened by them.
Sarge: Your missing the point, of course !
No what we need to DEMAND from our elected officials is to do the number 1 job, which is uphold the Constitution of the US against enemies, FOREIGN and domestic.
American’s will not feel threatened, nor need to be! I’m sure the MM will be happy to work with and assist the NG, rancher’s too.
The National Gaurd, is after all, there to guard the nation! I know it sounds kinda obvious, but there are obviously people who don’t grasp that yet!
Only criminal scum who are here illegally, armed and threatening US citizens would need to be concerned!
PB Floyd
You miss the point as well.
first we have to be able to tell them what to do–specifically. and what not to do—specifically.
The Law now prevents the National Guard from enforcing laws in any other state than the one they come from.
crap;
crap;
Then you have to empower the National Guard to determine which humans on this side of the Border are “criminal scum” and which are citizens.
Whech means you hvae to give them the power to say”
“Your papers please.”
I don;t want the miliary to have this power. In the countries where they do, things just ain’t right.
I want the Border Patrol (and other civilian Law Enforcement) to have that power. But I don’t want them to have the power the Military does.
You can’t say that thye can just stop Mexicans–cuz then you still have to dermine whther they are citizens or not.
A sson as the contract with France that gave us the Louisiana Purchase was signed, every ethnic mexican in that area became US Citizens.
10 minutes after the Battle of San Jacinto, everybody in Texas was a “former Mexican” and all ethnic Mexicans became Texas citizens.
As soon as Texas entered the Union, all ethnic Mexicans in Texas became United States citizens.
As soon as the treaty ending the Mexican American War was signed, every ethnic Mexican living above the Rio Grande became a United Sates citizen.
As soon as the ink was dry on the Gadsen Purchase, every Mexican there became US citizens.
so you tell me:
How poerful are you willing to make the military inside the borders of this country, and which law enforcement functions are you willing to give them?
Sarge:
Yep, I do agree about the slippery slope with giving the military law enforcement authority. However, we are faced with a situation where enforcing our border is a national security problem as well as a law enforcement problem.
I believe in a commmon sense approach. If the NG are to be deployed at all, if the problem that acute(yes, I believe it is at that point, IMHO), then they should damn well be armed and ready to engage, given the current situation, and numerous previous incursions. Not sitting ducks like they are now.
If these are just Mexican criminal thugs, broaching our national sovierenty and borders while carrying drugs and/or automatic weapons, and threatening our troops by trying to surround them and gain tactical advantage, then the Mex gov’t should have no problem with our guys torching these POS’s.
In fact, they’d be damn lucky we don’t decide to view it as an act of war. Let’s remember, the key to the whole issue is that the Mex gov’t is sticking it’s finger in our collective eye’s by enabling and encouraging their own citizens to break our laws!!! And our balless eunoch’s that call themselves ‘leaders’ on both sides of the isle have sold us out by allowing it to happen.
Having good relations with neighbors requires good faith participation from both sides. And I think we can all safely agree that just isn’t the case currently.
So, my solution is this: since our guys have electronic gear that enables them to see people and vehicles coming for miles, they will have to take the info available to them and determine whether in each situation it would be viewed as a threat.
No threat? Call Border Patrol. Then the mission is to assist law enforcement. However, if you have people in paramilitary gear armed like US Marines, behaving in a prevocatrive manner and on US soil as well? Then the mission is national security issue. Engage and deliver superior firepower on the target. Because people like this are a threat to every living American.
In my view, every day that the borders are not secured after 9/11, is another day our gov’t, state and national, is derelict in it’s duty to the people of Texas and the nation.
And, I think that we, as tax paying Americans native sons and daughters, have every right to demand better!!
Wouldn’t you agree, Sarge?
Oh, and one more thing: since the Mex gov’t is so afraid of it’s own people, that by merely having a bullet is a criminal act, much less a weapon, much less an automatic weapon, and a person in possession of these items is subject to jail time and fines.
If these guys are coming from Mexico, then they are already criminals in their country too!! If not, then we are owed an explanation,big time!
Vicente never has minded us having to shoulder his share of responsibilities for his country before. So why then should he suddenly now care? Right?