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  1. Matt 'Zilla' Bramanti, CPO™ on February 5th, 2007 at 12:29 am

    First!

    Sheesh, y’all have been slow lately!

  2. Royko on February 5th, 2007 at 4:23 am

    Being a midnight rider again, I see. I must get a report delivered today also.

  3. Neocon on February 5th, 2007 at 6:05 am

    Good mornin’ ya’ll!

  4. Katfish on February 5th, 2007 at 6:31 am

    Mawnin yall

    “Hi Ho Silllllllllllverrrrr”

  5. emmekelley on February 5th, 2007 at 7:53 am

    #4

    Katfish

    Mornin all and everyone have a wonderful and blessed day.

    “and awayyyyyy” :)))

  6. WORLDRULER on February 5th, 2007 at 8:10 am

    Way to go Colts

  7. Jaime on February 5th, 2007 at 8:45 am

    Listening to Edd and Pat. I am glad to hear the outrage on predator Perry’s Executive Order.

    You can opt out. Do it.

    Edd and Pat. There is a joke that goes like this: Q. Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?
    A. Yes
    Q. Would you sleep with me for $50?
    A. No, what do you think I am?
    Q. We already established that. We are now haggling for price!

    Both you already have lost the argument against predator Perry’s Executive Order. When you say that the government has the authority/right to force other vaccines or to force parents to send chilcren to school (compulosry attendance law) you are saying that the government owns the children.

    The Merck’s vcaccine is just haggling for the price.

    Everyone thinks that their version of socialism works if only the right people implement it.

    Separation of schooling and government now!

  8. malcolm on February 5th, 2007 at 8:48 am

    Test for Alzheimer’s:

    Quick Check for Alzheimer’s The following was developed as a mental age assessment by the School Of Psychiatry at Harvard University. Take your time and see if you can read each line aloud without a mistake. The average person over 40 years of age cannot do it!

    1. This is this cat.
    2. This is is cat.
    3. This is how cat.
    4. This is to cat.
    5. This is keep cat.
    6. This is an cat.
    7. This is old cat.
    8. This is fart cat.
    9. This is busy cat.
    10. This is for cat.
    11. This is forty cat.
    12. This is seconds cat.

    Now go back and read the third word in each line from the top down. fell feel to share with some of your older friends!

  9. Shannon on February 5th, 2007 at 8:57 am

    That horse looks a little “long in the tooth” to represent a “colt”. And it sure looks like a mare to me, too.

    A colt is a young, male horse.

    /neener, neener, neener.

  10. southerntragedy on February 5th, 2007 at 8:58 am

    As far as this HPV vaccine goes, I am not going to opt out. My daughter will not be getting it either. Rick Perry can kiss my butt….

    On a lighter note:

    January 1 2009

    HILLARY’S FIRST NIGHT AS PRESIDENT

    Hillary Clinton

    Was sworn in today as President

    She has disposed of Bill and is spending her
    first night alone in the White House.

    She has waited several years for this.

    FIRST NIGHT

    Suddenly!

    The ghost of George Washington appears to her,

    and Hillary asks,
    “How can I best serve my country?”

    Washington says, “Never tell a lie.”
    “Ouch!” Says Hillary, “I don’t know about that.”

    SECOND NIGHT

    The next night, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson appears…
    Hillary asks, “How can I best serve my country?”

    Jefferson says,

    “Listen to the people.”
    “Ohhh! I really don’t want to do that.”

    THIRD NIGHT

    On the third night, the ghost of Abe Lincoln appears…
    Hillary asks, “How can I best serve my country?”

    Lincoln says,

    “Go to the theater”.

    Have a great day!

  11. Jaime on February 5th, 2007 at 9:02 am

    Merck did not buy predator Perry, they purchased the little girls of Texas.

  12. twocute64001 on February 5th, 2007 at 9:09 am

    Here is a SIDE EFFECT analysis of MEREKS, latest cash cow. Here is what perry is trying to do to out little girls.

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    February 1, 2007

    HPV Vaccine Mandates Risky and Expensive
    Vaccine Safety Group Finds Serious Reactions, High Costs

    Vienna, Virginia - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), the nation’s leading vaccine safety and informed consent advocacy organization, is urging state legislatures to investigate the safety and cost of mandating Merck’s HPV vaccine (GARDASIL) for all pre-adolescent girls before introducing legislation amending state vaccine laws. In an analysis of reports made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) since the CDC’s July 2006 universal use recommendation for all young girls, NVIC found reports of loss of consciousness, seizures, joint pain and Guillain-Barre Syndrome. In a separate evaluation of costs for young girls being vaccinated in private pediatrician offices, NVIC discovered that parents living in the Washington, D.C. area will be paying between $500 and $900 to have their daughters receive three doses of GARDASIL.

    “GARDASIL safety appears to have been studied in fewer than 2,000 girls aged 9 to 15 years and it is unclear how long they were followed up. [1] VAERS is now receiving reports of loss of consciousness, seizures, arthritis and other neurological problems in young girls who have received the shot,” said NVIC President Barbara Loe Fisher. “At the same time, parents who take their daughters to private pediatricians are going to be shocked to find that they will be paying two to three times the widely publicized $360 cost for the three-dose series. The cost is going to break the pocketbooks of parents and break the banks of both insurance companies and taxpayers, when the reality is that almost all cases of HPV-associated cervical cancer can be prevented with annual pap screening of girls who are sexually active.”

    Between July 2006 and January 2007, there have been 82 reports of adverse events filed with VAERS following receipt of GARDASIL by girls and boys ranging in age from 11 to 27 years. Reaction reports have come from 21 states, including Virginia and the District of Columbia. All but three of the reports were for adverse events which occurred within one week of vaccination and more than 60 percent occurred within 24 hours of vaccination.

    “The most frequent serious health events after GARDASIL shots are neurological symptoms,” said NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN, Ph.D. “These young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision, slurred speech, fainting, involuntary contraction of limbs (seizures), muscle weakness, tingling and numbness in the hands and feet and joint pain. Some of the girls have lost consciousness during what appears to be seizures.” Debold added “The manufacturer product insert should include mention of syncopal episodes, seizures and Guillain-Barre Syndrome so doctors and parents are aware these vaccine adverse responses have been associated with the vaccine.”

    VAERS reports also indicate the doctors are administering GARDASIL to girls and women at the same with Tdap, DT, meningococcal (Menactra), hepatitis A, and other vaccines, even though the Merck product insert states that, with the exception of hepatitis B vaccine, “Co-administration of GARDASIL with other vaccines has not been studied.”[2] There is no publicly available information about how many of the 9 to 15 year old girls in Merck’s pre-licensure clinical trials received GARDASIL simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine.

    Although approximately half of all families in the U.S. select a pediatrician in private practice to provide their children routine care, including vaccinations, children can receive government subsidized reduced cost or free vaccinations in public health clinics through the Vaccines for Children program if they cannot afford to pay for vaccinations administered by private pediatricians. NVIC’s survey of four private pediatric practices in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C. found that parents could be charged anywhere from $525 to $930 for three GARDASIL shots depending upon whether the child was a first-time or current patient. Costs for the vaccine plus an administration fee ranged from $140 to $275 per shot with an additional office visit charge that fluctuated between $35 and $185 depending upon whether a nurse or doctor saw the child.

    HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the U.S. and most persons naturally clear the infection from the body without symptoms. [3] However, many years of chronic HPV infection is associated with a higher risk of pre-cancerous changes in the cervix that can lead to cancer unless diagnosed and treated promptly. High risk factors for chronic HPV infection include smoking, long-term use of oral contraceptives and co-infection with HIV, herpes and chlamydia. [4] There has been a more than 70 percent drop in cervical cancer deaths in American women since the 1950’s due to routine pap smears and nearly all cervical cancers can be prevented with regular pap smear screening and treatment. [5]

    In its product manufacturer insert, Merck states that “Vaccination does not substitute for routine cervical cancer screening. Women who receive GARDASIL should continue to undergo cervical cancer screening per standard of care.” Merck also states that “The duration of immunity following a complete schedule of immunization with GARDASIL has not been established.”

    For more information about HPV infection and GARDASIL safety, including NVIC’s five-page report on GARDASIL adverse event reports to VAERS as well as a direct link to VAERS reports, go to NVIC’s website at http://www.NVIC.org.

  13. tedtam on February 5th, 2007 at 9:20 am

    Again…my daughter is chaste and intends to remain so until marriage. She yells at TV commercials about Gardasil, genital warts, etc., in this vein: “If you didn’t have sex outside of marriage, this wouldn’t be an issue!” She has been ridiculed at school for her stance, and has never been asked on a date because, she has been told, of the chastity ring that she wears. She told this “girl friend” of hers that made that comment that she would rather wait for a mature guy than settle for the pickings at the high school level. Why should children like this be mandated for a potentially harmful vaccine? If HPV were airborne, I might understand, but this is an educational and cultural issue that parents and neighborhoods must undertake.

  14. trl3 on February 5th, 2007 at 9:25 am

    How does a liberal like Perry get elected as a Republican?

  15. Katfish on February 5th, 2007 at 9:36 am

    And HAL ’shortens’ my net neutrality posting?

    pfpfpfpfpfpftttttttttttttttt

  16. Jaime on February 5th, 2007 at 9:42 am

    #13 Great news. Just remember, no dating but courtship. I have 3 sons and 1 daughter. The daughter is the youngest. I tell my sons that thier duty is to protect the girl from other and themselves.

    This came out in conversation with my oldest son, 16yrs, last night. He was talking about a friend and how his friend is messing up a frienship with a girl. I repeated what he already knew.

    I acknowledged the natural and proper inclinations of boys towards girls but reminded him (and to tell his friend) that they HAVE to PROTECT the girls.

  17. trl3 on February 5th, 2007 at 9:44 am

    And Perry will be better than Kinky HOW?

  18. twocute64001 on February 5th, 2007 at 9:49 am

    Because far too many of us were stupid and listened to Bush when he convinced us he was leaving us with a decent man as Gov. I have never voted for perry, I always knew him as the liberial piece of trash he is.

    I voted for Bush, which I felt I had no choice. I said even in the primaries agaist mccain Bush was not a true conservative. But he was better than mccain, which mccain proves everytime he opens his mouth.

  19. Shannon on February 5th, 2007 at 9:50 am

    Related information–

    The SAFE SEX LIARS NEVER, EVER mention the following:

    The National Institutes of Health’s Report on Condom Effectiveness did not find any epidemiologic evidence that using condoms reduced the risk of HPV infection. However, they do state “results did suggest that condom use might afford some protection in reducing the risk of HPV-associated diseases, including warts in men and cervical neoplasia in women” (Condom Report ii par. 5). On their Primer on HPV page, NIH also advises: “Although using a condom is a good idea to prevent transmission of other infections or diseases, condoms may not protect sexual partners from genital HPV infections. HPV infections usually are not limited to the penis or the vagina. The infection can occur on the skin in the genital area, such as the scrotum, vulva, anus, or the skin between the anus and the genitalia - areas that are not protected with normal condom use. It is not known if transmission can occur when the virus levels are very low or undetectable” (A Primer on HPV par. 14).

    http://www.healthandhpv.com/condoms.htm

  20. tedtam on February 5th, 2007 at 10:00 am

    For parents of teens or pre-teens, I recommend the getting “Why True Love Waits” by Jason Evert. Jason and his wife waited until marriage to consummate their love for each other. They tour the country, discussing the virtues of chastity. This particular book (he has others) is a Q&A format that is easy to pick up and put down, and engaging dialogue. My daughter loves and took it to school, where it started some lunchtime discussion sessions with the other kids. At the youth conference I attended some years ago, of ALL the sessions there, his was the best attended. I never thought I’d see excited teenagers smiling and laughing when coming out of a chastity talk. I was amazed.

  21. The Dude on February 5th, 2007 at 10:07 am

    Just think… an endorsement of Goodhair from Planned Parenthood can’t be far off. What was I thinking when I voted for Kinky? Perry was obviously the conservative’s only rational choice.

    /tag shouldn’t be necessary

  22. Smacktle on February 5th, 2007 at 10:11 am

    #16 Jaime

    Some “girls” can protect themselves!:

    http://www.female-bodybuilding-photos.com/

  23. Smacktle on February 5th, 2007 at 10:24 am

    Two elderly friends, Max and Wally, met in the park every day to feed the pigeons, watch the squirrels and discuss world problems. One day Wally didn’t show up Max didn’t think much about it, figured maybe he had a cold or some such. But after Wally hadn’t shown up for a week or so Max really got worried. However, the only time they ever got together anymore (they used to play a lot of golf together) was at the park, and Max couldn’t remember where Wally lived so he was unable to find out what had happened to him.
    A month passed and Max figured old Wally had gone to his heavenly reward, but one day Max approached the park and, lo and behold, there sat Wally! Max was very excited and happy to see him and told him so! Then he said, “For crying out loud Wally, what happened to you???”
    Wally replied, “I have been in jail.” “Jail???,” cried Max!! “What in the world for???”
    “Well,” Wally said, “You know Sue, that cute little blonde waitress at the coffee shop where we sometimes get coffee?” “Yeah” said MAX, “I remember her. What about her?”
    “Well one day last month she got mad at me and to get even, she charged me with sex crimes. I was so proud of what everyone would think an old fart like me could still do, that when I got into court, I pled ‘Guilty’.

    The judge then took a good look at me and gave me 30 days for perjury.”

  24. tedtam on February 5th, 2007 at 10:24 am

    #22 Smack

    If *I* were a guy, I wouldn’t go near those women!

  25. tedtam on February 5th, 2007 at 10:26 am

    How to drive an Aggie crazy: put six shovels in front of him and tell him to take his pick.

  26. Shelbz on February 5th, 2007 at 10:42 am

    Rosie on the View just mentioned the hpv poss mandate and the Merck-Perry connection–she bashed the idea… For once I agree with a Lib~ did something freeze over???

  27. Adee on February 5th, 2007 at 10:55 am

    #9 Shannon, Can’t really tell the gender of the nice buckskin featured at the top–too much shadow. Hope it’s not a gelding. That could be awkward. Maybe posting an indeterminate pic was a good choice. A horse is a horse is a horse of course…

    Congrats to the Colts anyway from someone who favored Da Bears.

  28. phil on February 5th, 2007 at 10:56 am

    I remember a couple short years ago, Flavius J Valens Bush promised that he would add two thousand Border Patrol agents a year for the next five years.

    Funny thing happened. When it came time to put up and with the stroke of a pen, he changed two thousand BP agents to a whopping 210.

    Then lo and behold in his State of the Union speech, there he was again, promising to double the size of the Border Patrol.

    So if he lied back then, is he lying now?

    Or is he just taking that lie away from the demokats in another brilliant strategic move?

    It has to be another brilliant move because we all know Flavius J never lies.

  29. The Dude on February 5th, 2007 at 10:58 am

    For once I agree with a Lib~ did something freeze over???

    Nothing froze over. Ask yourself what your reasons are for not liking the idea vs. what Rosie’s reasons are. I can’t help but believe if Obama had suggested this idea Rosie would be slobbering all over herself singing his praises.

    It’s kind of like those polls that say XX% of people don’t approve of GWB’s job performance. Even though I’m a pretty staunch conservative, I’d fall in the category of people who don’t approve of GWB’s performance. My reasons for dissaproval are obviously far different from say, Michael Moore’s.

  30. tedtam on February 5th, 2007 at 11:11 am

    #28 phil

    Dammit, man, don’t you understand the politics of math!? or the math of politics?! Get your head out and get with the program!

  31. Wino on February 5th, 2007 at 11:22 am

    I have three comments about yesterday’s Superbowl.

    The commercials were the worst in years.
    It was a great game.
    It was terrible football.

  32. Jaime on February 5th, 2007 at 11:28 am

    #22 LOL But … do they go out with guys?

  33. trl3 on February 5th, 2007 at 11:45 am

    If Perry can FORCEABLY Medicate every young women in Texas with a simple executive order, why can’t he give us a 3 percent tax appraisal cap the same way. After all he claimed he was for it when passing the business tax and said he would do his best to make it happen.

  34. Katfish on February 5th, 2007 at 11:46 am

    Someone PLEASE wake me up when Rosie O’Donnel acheives even the slightest relevance in this world so I can be ready to pay attention………until then…..YAWWWWWWWWWWWN…….

  35. Wino on February 5th, 2007 at 11:46 am

    #32 Jaime

    And I bet that not a one of them has ever taken Steroids.

    I see this as the female equivalent of the far east (and Bourbon Street) “Lady boys”:

    Take some hormones meant for the other sex.
    Grow attributes meant for the other sex.
    See nothing wrong with it.
    Be seen as a freak by most normal people.

  36. texpat on February 5th, 2007 at 12:01 pm

    #31 Wino

    Well said.

  37. northerngirl on February 5th, 2007 at 12:07 pm

    Re: Comment #12

    “Between July 2006 and January 2007, there have been 82 reports of adverse events filed with VAERS following receipt of GARDASIL by girls and boys ranging in age from 11 to 27 years. ”

    Hold on a second! Boys got this vaccine, too? OK, so why not mandate that our young lads receive this, too? Oh yeah, the governor’s a guy!! Sheesh! I mean, it takes two to tango, right??? Why put this all on the girls???

    Regardless of gender, those side effects mentioned were downright scary!!! >

    Thank goodness my little girl is a baby and we don’t have to deal with this right now! Maybe there will actually be more research done and published on this drug by the time she’s 11. Maybe we won’t live in Texas anymore when she is “of age”.

  38. Wino on February 5th, 2007 at 12:12 pm

    #37 northerngirl

    It was tested for a whopping six months on less than 3000 people. It was approved less than a year ago. It is not effective at stopping HPV in males (which answers your questions).

    What I want to know is why use the entire female population below the age of 12 to test this vaccine for Merck? Aren’t our daughters more important than this?

    Microsoft Windows (r) has taught me never to buy a product when it first is introduced to the market. Remember the billing Windows 95 got as being the best thing since sliced bread.

    I don’t want to blue screen my daughter or granddaughter.

  39. Katfish on February 5th, 2007 at 12:13 pm

    #26 - Shelbz after reading my own typing I felt compelled to apologize to you if you felt I was ‘dissing’ your post about Rosie O. (which was NOT the case and if you perceived that please accept my apology).

    I’m just absolutely under impressed by anything that Hypocritical b@&(^h might say that I typed and posted before considering all possible results of same……..

    Katfish

  40. northerngirl on February 5th, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    #22, I worked with a woman who became obsessed with “Fitness Competitions” (aka bodybuilding). It was frightening to see how her body and her mentality morphed. Those “supplements” that she pumped into her body have altered not only her muscles, but her voice too. I think she has gone off the deep end and it has cost her dearly in terms of relationships with her spouse and friends. It’s not sexy. It’s just sad.

  41. dcgirl on February 5th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    #33 - I wondered that myself. If all it takes is an executive order, then most of the conservative platforms that never see the light of the legislature should be a slam dunk. First should be the 3% cap.

  42. Wino on February 5th, 2007 at 12:23 pm

    #41 dcgirl

    Read my blog article on the Property Tax situation. In particular, after the “fold,” I have a bit about the 3% cap and why that’s a red herring.

    If Perry does the executive order thing (which is probably not possible, since budgetary things are probably mandated to the Lege, but health things might be fair game), then my reasoning is wrong. If he can’t, as I suspect, then see if you can find flaws with my logic and suppositions.

  43. dcgirl on February 5th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

    #42 Wino
    I agree with you that we should be taxing property at the value at which it was purchased. However, I don’t know if we will ever get this fair and reasonable solution. This would also put more of the burden on the ag exempt people who are not pulling their fair share of the pie. Right now, property that has an ag exemption sells for more than other property because the buyer pays very little taxes; but the sales price increases the value of those that do not enjoy this false exemption.

    However, since we may not see anything like Prop 13 in California, I would at least like to see my increase held to 3% per year instead of 10%. Maybe this lower increase threat would discourage those that you speak of that let their property fall into disrepair.

  44. dowjones25k on February 5th, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    well does anyone remember the drug companies trying to get their taxes abated? its all part of that stuff.

  45. Wino on February 5th, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    #43 dcgirl

    I’m not against the 3% cap. I just want to make sure everyone is aware that it is not the panacea it would seem, and that even when we do eventually get it (or the 5% increase it will actually be), it won’t really mean anything.

    I want property tax reform, not government bandaids and higher taxes to fund government’s unlimited growth.

  46. trl3 on February 5th, 2007 at 12:47 pm

    #43

    If you did not ag exempt property we would not be able to afford the food we eat. Also if a property is purchased and the designation changed then the the taxes go up.

    There is also something about collecting 5 years back taxes if you change to a commercial property.

  47. Wino on February 5th, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    #46 trl3

    I think that ag-exempt property that is really just undeveloped commercial property needs to be taxed at the going rate. Ag-exempt property that is actually used for agricultural purposes is OK.

    For example, I saw an industrial park that, every year, had it’s weeds cut and rolled into bales, but then left to rot. Why was it baled? To maintain its ag-exempt status, pure and simple.

    Now, that entire area is a developed industrial park. That’s unfair, and NOT what the law is supposed to do. This is why I say the entire government’s motto should be:

    “Good Idea. Bad Implementation.”

  48. DanielJames on February 5th, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    Merck got the equivalent of the Superbowl half time spot and paid zilch.

    God Bless America.

    Now go send your little girls down to the clinic so they can get a nice dose of mercury.

    Now round up the tar and feathers.

  49. DanielJames on February 5th, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    #14

    How?

    To many people buy the lesser of two devils BS.

    Thats why the third party has never gotten traction.

    Its party over principles.

  50. trl3 on February 5th, 2007 at 12:56 pm

    wino

    A 3 percent cap does not lower your taxes, it only slows the rate of increase. I much perfer a 3 percent cap to a 10 percent cap. Of course it only applies to a homestead.

    I think if the government thinks it needs to increase spending a twice the rate of inflation and growth that they should at least be required to face the heat of actually raising the rates.

    I am fed up with polititians that claim they have never raised our property taxes while my bill doubles every 7 years.

  51. trl3 on February 5th, 2007 at 1:00 pm

    DanielJames

    Screw the party, give me a conservative canidate.

  52. DanielJames on February 5th, 2007 at 1:02 pm

    This is how I feel.

    http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=11310

    Americans Want New Presidential Blood, not ‘Retreads!’
    By Jan Herron & S. J. Miller

    Despite consistent polls showing that 70-80% of Americans want immigration laws enforced and the border secured, most 2008 Presidential hopefuls pay no attention to Americans at all. Candidates like Guiliani, Romney and McCain are nothing but “Retreads” parroting the tired Bush Party Line telling ad nauseum the hardships faced by illegal aliens living in the US, and insist on forcing amnesty for illegals on resisting Americans.

  53. trl3 on February 5th, 2007 at 1:04 pm

    wino

    I could be wrong but I thought when ag exempt property was converted to commercial they developer was required to pay 5 years back taxes at the commercial rate.

  54. SC on February 5th, 2007 at 1:05 pm

    #53 That is correct, there is a 5year lookback.

  55. Wino on February 5th, 2007 at 1:08 pm

    #50 trl3

    Click my name, and read Property Tax article. I am aware of all the implications of the 3% tax appraisal cap.

    #53 trl3

    I have no idea. I drove by this land every work day for 10 years, though, and watched it year-in, year-out. Only in the last 5 years has it been fully developed. That means that the developers saved money (meaning paid ag taxes on what was really commercial property) for at least 15 years.

    Is that fair to those of us who don’t get this benefit? Jon Lindsay has some “timberland” that is ag property… just off where he FORCED the state to run the new 249 Hwy. How’s that for a crooked politician?

  56. dcgirl on February 5th, 2007 at 1:15 pm

    #46 trl3
    I used to believe that only those that earned their living farming and ranching should get the ag exemption, but no more. What about others who have property that produce products that we need - they don’t get an exemption - we just pay more for the products. The same thing would happen with food. If ALL of us would pay our fair share then the increase in taxes to the ag exempt land would be very little.

    The second reason I am against ag exemptions is that there are very few people who make their living as TRUE farmers and ranchers. The majority of the time the ag exemption is used by weekend ranchers who buy property up knowing that they pay little taxes, but get more services than their fellow tax paying citizens. Examples: one construction company owner has 114 acres of land valued at $441K, value lowered to 13K through ag exempt and pays a whopping $286 total in property taxes. Another construction magnate owns 618 acres valued at $1.3M,lowered to 74K and pays only $1600 in total taxes. What’s wrong with this picture? These people aren’t producing food for our table. They are throwing the least amount of cattle on the land that is needed for the exemption. Or they grow hay and it sits in the field. Yet, the county mows their miles of road frontage at no charge and I pay the bill.

    To be fair, I am also against the exemption that churches get for anything but the sanctuary and classrooms. I don’t think that they should be able to take a million dollar property off the tax roles (and shifting the burden to you and I) and then build movie theaters, athletic facilities, etc. that have nothing to do with the practice of their religion.

  57. Shannon on February 5th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    You may recall me talking about a spike/selloff of cattle earlier in the fall because the price of feed had skyrocketed due to corn being grabbed by alternative fuel producers. Ultimately the price of beef will begin rising exponentially.

    I heard an interesting story at a superbowl gathering yesterday.

    Farm equipment used in the production of cotton was recently plentiful and available at auction for little or nothing.

    It seems a second corn processing plant (for alternative fuels) is being built near El Campo. Those thousands of square miles of cotton production are apparently going to be planted in corn.

    Have fun paying for your cotton clothes in the upcoming years.

    Somehow, a polyester tee shirt just ain’t gonna cut it.

    Yet, when weather conditions make for a bad corn crop, and the price of corn makes your vehicle fuel go up 25 cents a gallon, will you bitch and moan and hate the farmers like you hate the oil companies now?????

  58. dcgirl on February 5th, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    #57 Shannon
    Thanks for reminding me about farm equipment. That is not taxed, but other businesses have their equipment taxes. Is this fair?

  59. normal_fault on February 5th, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    They found them:

    http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/818

    The lost Apollo tapes, that is.

  60. Shannon on February 5th, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    dcgirl
    I have been wanting to respond to your several comments about ag exemptions since you joined us here at LST.

    There just hasn’t been an opportune time. Like today, I need to leave for a funeral.

    I promise we’ll take up this subjuect one of these days.

    Just one thought before I go, the overwhelming majority of beef cattle are produced on small farms/ranches with 50 head or less (and sometimes much less than that, based on the productivity of the land.)

  61. No Higher Tax on February 5th, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    Anyone know how the ICE protest by Defense Fund went this weekend - how many people came or how long they stayed at the protest?

  62. Wino on February 5th, 2007 at 3:09 pm

    #61 NHT

    Isn’t that what bigjolly wrote about?

  63. No Higher Tax on February 5th, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    If you could where is it at?

  64. Wino on February 5th, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    On the main page of LST… Look for the collage of photos. At least, I think that’s the same thing.

  65. No Higher Tax on February 5th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    #64 Thanks found it - really didn’t expect to see that thought it would be a one or two liner.

  66. Katfish on February 5th, 2007 at 3:44 pm

    Oh ye of little faith!

  67. Jaime on February 5th, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    For all of you arguing details of property taxs:

    I understand that we are dealing with a system as is but I rather attack the root.

    Property taxes are nothing but royalties/rent paid to the King. A property tax system is feudalism.

    There ought not be any property taxes in a capitalist system.

    We have been so doomed for so long.

  68. sunny on February 5th, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    #31…Wino…re your comment “terrible football”…let’s face it, the players didn’t have the best of conditions to play in. They have to be excused a little, even though professional players, it must have been very difficult playing in such consistently heavy rain.

    I think they should be commended for playing as well as they did in the circumstances.

    But then…maybe I wouldn’t know…just being a Sheila from Down Under…and really shouldn’t comment on American football. But heavy rain is heavy rain and would be difficult to play in anywhere, and a wet field and wet football would be pretty damn slippery to play on and handle well, I would think.

  69. DanielJames on February 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    Thank You Jamie! Most American never own property!

    Jaime Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
    For all of you arguing details of property taxs:

    I understand that we are dealing with a system as is but I rather attack the root.

    Property taxes are nothing but royalties/rent paid to the King. A property tax system is feudalism.

    There ought not be any property taxes in a capitalist system.

    We have been so doomed for so long.

  70. dcgirl on February 5th, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    #67 - I agree - we are essentially paying the “King” for the priviledge to live on our own land.

  71. Wino on February 5th, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    I’ve always said I should write the courthouse, to ask how much it would cost to get out of our taxes forever.

    Hey!!!

    Isn’t that what Perry is trying to do with the lottery?

    How about instead, he let us by the rights to NOT pay property taxes in the future? I mean, isn’t that really the same thing?

  72. DanielJames on February 5th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
  73. texpat on February 5th, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    Lying between Houston on the east, College Station to the north, San Antonio on the west and George West to the south are roughly 20 counties which provide more than 50% of all the calves sent to all the feedlots across America. These operations are almost all one man or family operations run at a loss or barely break-even. Most of the land has been passed down through inheritance. The only reason much of it has the value it does is because it will minimally support this type of operation. If the taxes go up on this land, people will simply quit raising the cattle. Consequently, the value of the land will plunge as will the valuation and the tax base.

    DO NOT regard this as a defense of the present land tax apparatus. I offer these historical facts because it is imperative everyone understands how we cobbled together, over a century, the present system.

  74. DanielJames on February 5th, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Great post ted. Worth repeating.

    tedtam Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 10:00 am
    For parents of teens or pre-teens, I recommend the getting “Why True Love Waits” by Jason Evert. Jason and his wife waited until marriage to consummate their love for each other. They tour the country, discussing the virtues of chastity. This particular book (he has others) is a Q&A format that is easy to pick up and put down, and engaging dialogue. My daughter loves and took it to school, where it started some lunchtime discussion sessions with the other kids. At the youth conference I attended some years ago, of ALL the sessions there, his was the best attended. I never thought I’d see excited teenagers smiling and laughing when coming out of a chastity talk. I was amazed

  75. Jaime on February 5th, 2007 at 4:46 pm

    #72 There are a few States with Allodial Titles. The problem is that the term has been redefined and property taxes are still imposed.

    http://www.volokh.com/posts/1166827091.shtml

    The end of the grand experiment actually died in 1789.

  76. texpat on February 5th, 2007 at 4:46 pm

    #68 Sunny

    Did you catch the play where Rex Grossman, the Chicago quarterback, was trying to recover a fumbled snapped ball that went through his legs ?
    Dan Marino said it looked like Grossman was playing by Austalian football rules. What did he mean by that ?

  77. hamous on February 5th, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    When did pit bull puppies develop a taste for baby feet?

  78. Jaime on February 5th, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    strike died and replace ith was.

  79. Shannon on February 5th, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    You’ve never had baby feet with polar cub balls??

    Man, you ain’t lived.

  80. texpat on February 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pm

    #57

    Shannon comments on the sell-off of cattle last fall. I buy all my beef up here from Costco because they are the only ones who have the slightest clue what real beef is and how to cut it.
    Saturday, I bought NY strips for $5.99/lb (Dec price: $9.99) and ribeyes for $6.99/lb (Dec price: $10.99).

  81. jimb on February 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pm

    Dude:

    Perry was obviously the conservative’s only rational choice

    You and I will probably never see eye-to-eye on this, but Kinky is just as liberal as anybody else running. My only other alternative would have been to abstain from the governor’s ballot altogether.

    Fortunately or unfortunately, this is an issue that the social conservative and the libertarian can agree on: The government has no business requiring families to immunize their girls against an STD.

  82. texpat on February 5th, 2007 at 5:02 pm

    dcgirl & Wino

    Shannon and I will be glad to hookup the flatbed and bring a tractor to wherever these round bales are cluttering up the scenery. There is no point in letting them go to waste when they will bring over a hundred bucks apiece in the next long dry spell.

  83. The Dude on February 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pm

    #81 Jimb,

    The government has no business requiring families to immunize their girls against an STD.

    We can certainly agree on that. As to the Kinky part… well… we can only speak in the hypothetical on that. On the Perry part we can (and will) speak concretely as to the lack of conservatism. He’s all blow and no go Jim.

  84. Shannon on February 5th, 2007 at 5:11 pm

    82
    Yes even those silly old “fake” ag-exempt producers aren’t going to turn down $100.

    Their were plenty of round bales sold in July and August for $100 (and more).

    People were baling up some pretty sorry stuff this year just to have SOMETHING on hand.

  85. texpat on February 5th, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    A landowner who need to bale hay off his property will typically hire a haybaler. The deal will consist of a cash payment to the baler to defray expenses and a share of the bales produced. Most of the hay will go to the haybaler and is hauled off and sold. The hay you see sitting there is the landowner’s smaller share. If they don’t sell it or at least give it away they are being wasteful (and “sinful” as our mother would always say).

    The other problem is these land speculators do nto want to invest in fertilizer or discing the land to produce decent grasses. This means what is cut and baled is very poor quality.

  86. bigjolly on February 5th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    I’m not sure I thought I’d ever say it but Gregg scored in the other thread.

  87. EricPJohnson on February 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pm

    Jimb Dude

    the 50% infection rate keeps getting bandied about - where that number comes from - I don’t know.

    My girls are not going to get STDS from themselves they are going to be infected by others - just like any other diseases

    Thats why people vaccinate.

    You can opt out its a simple form and of course if your or my child gets infected we can’t sue the school board or the state.

    They did the same thin with the Hep-C, B shots as well. THose were frightfully expensive by the time my youngest had it - cheap.

  88. texpat on February 5th, 2007 at 5:37 pm

    #87

    I saw the figures this morning in a medical journal article quoting the CDC and another organization. Their surveys concluded that 77% of 19 year old girls in America had engaged in sexual intercourse. After four year of sexual activity, 40% showed signs of contracting one of the strains of HPV. After 5 or 6 years, this figure climbed to over 50%. I will try to find and link to the articles I read.

  89. phil on February 5th, 2007 at 5:47 pm

    “See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”
    –George w. Bush

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
    —Joseph Goebbels

    “They all just come here to work.”
    “They do the jobs Americans won’t do.”
    “Path to citizenship is not Amnesty.”
    “We need Kom-Pre-Hen-Sive EMM-EYE-gration RE-FORM.”
    “We can’t deport them, it just ain’t gonna work.”
    “Mexico is our good neighbor and friend.”
    “Christians and Muslims worship the same God.”
    “Islam is a Religion of piece.”
    “We need more H1B Visas and foreign workers.”
    “I take my Oath of Office seriously.”

  90. southerntragedy on February 5th, 2007 at 5:48 pm

    #87 Eric: There isn’t a shot for Hep. C. Only A and B…FYI

    As for the hay: I am a lucky duck! I get a semi-small-mediun sized round bale for 45$. (grass connection, baby!) You can’t even find a freaking square bale right now. Trash bales went for 12$, 3 weeks ago. Nowhere to be found, now. I will be looking into the IAH round bales after about a year. Hopefully by then, they will have the trash out of them and know what to add to the crop. They were selling their 1st cutting for 10$ a round bale, but you probably had an aircraft tire in it. I’m waiting, patiently!

  91. bigjolly on February 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pm

    #90

    Uh-oh.

  92. sunny on February 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    #68….Texpat…in answer to your question, he was talking about the game of Rugby League, wherein a player is tackled by an opponent then a “Play the Ball” takes effect: After a tackle is made, the tackled player restarts the action and the next “tackle” by standing upright and rolling the ball through his legs to a team-mate stood directly behind him. The opposing team must stand at least 10 metres in front of the player when this is taking place.

  93. Squawkbox Noise on February 5th, 2007 at 5:53 pm

    Brother Phil
    good to see you as always. May I interject this.

    The days of elect and forget are over folks. Waiting till the primaries to raise your voice is too late.©.
    Squawkbox 2003-2007

  94. southerntragedy on February 5th, 2007 at 5:54 pm

    hamous Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
    When did pit bull puppies develop a taste for baby feet?

    Hammie: This is the 2nd story I have heard of. Did you not hear about the young couple who had their newborn and pit bull pup in bed, and the pup chewed about 3 toes off of the baby? In bed? WIth the parents? Didn’t the baby cry? Didn’t the parents hear it? Too lazy to find the story, sorry!

  95. southerntragedy on February 5th, 2007 at 5:56 pm

    bigjolly Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
    #90

    Uh-oh.

    What? Or should I learn patience? :)

  96. emmekelley on February 5th, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    #25

    tedtam

    You reminded me of another one. LOL.

    What did the Aggie do with his first 50 cent piece? Married her.

  97. southerntragedy on February 5th, 2007 at 6:02 pm

    Is there a vaccine for hepatitis C?
    No, not for hepatitis C. There are vaccines for hepatitis A and hepatitis B. If you have hepatitis C, your doctor may want you to take the vaccine for hepatitis B (and maybe the vaccine for hepatitis A), if you don’t already have these viruses. If you have hepatitis C, you are more likely to catch hepatitis A or hepatitis B, and that would cause more damage to your liver.

    http://familydoctor.org/071.xml#7

    Sorry, no patience today!

    My girlfriend contracted it from a blood transfusion many moons ago. I know (mostly) all about it. We used to share razors and when she was diagnosed, she made me take a Hep C test. Thank God I was negative. She went through h-e-double toothpicks with the disease, but took some sort of Chemo and is in remission, with no long term effects on her liver./standing off soap box now

  98. bigjolly on February 5th, 2007 at 6:02 pm

    #95

    You might soon have your own groupie.

  99. texpat on February 5th, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    #92

    I saw my first rugby game in Wales over 25 years ago. I didn’t realize till now there actually any rules. These Welsh guys looked to me to be having a riot in the mud. They invited me to the pub with them and, to this day, I have no idea what they said. I did not understand one word. They bought me a few pints though. I just laughed and smiled whenever they did to humor them, seeing as how they were about 7 feet tall and didn’t have any teeth.

  100. southerntragedy on February 5th, 2007 at 6:08 pm

    Hep C treatment: I think she had a total of about 150 shots. P.S..they hurt!

    Is there a treatment for hepatitis C?
    Good health habits are essential for those who have hepatitis C, especially avoidance of alcohol and other medications and drugs that can harm the liver. Although there is not yet a proven cure for hepatitis C, some people benefit from drug treatment. You should discuss treatment with a doctor if you have hepatitis C. Standard medicines available include the following:

    peginterferon alfa-2b (brand name: PEG-Intron)
    peginterferon alfa-2a (brand name: Pegasys)
    These medicines are given as a weekly shot. You may or may not need to use a ribavirin supplement in pill form (some brand names: Copegus, Rebetol, Virazole) along with interferon.

    Other medicines available to treat hepatitis C include the following:

    interferon alfa-2a (brand name:Roferon-A)
    interferon alfa-2b (brand name: Intron A)
    interferon alfacon-1 (brand name: Infergen)
    interferon alfa-2b plus ribavirin (brand name: Rebetron)
    These medicines are given as a shot every day, every other day or 3 times a week, for several months or longer. The length of treatment depends on how severe the infection is. Carefully following your doctor’s advice and sticking with your treatment plan will reduce your risk of further liver damage.

  101. southerntragedy on February 5th, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    Blog hog: Just recieved this e-mail about one of the border patrol agents. FYI.

    BREAKING NEWS
    IMPRISONED BORDER AGENT IGNATIO RAMOS ASSAULTED
    + + + + +

    2/5/07, 6:41PM EST

    Grassfire.org has learned that imprisoned Border Patrol agent Ignacio “Nacho” Ramos has been assaulted in prison by as many as 5 other inmates — news confirmed by three family members.

    The assault occurred at 10:00pm Saturday night (2/3), apparentely following the airing of America’s Most Wanted. According to Ramos’ uncle:

    “Nacho was assaulted Saturday night around 2200 by about five illegal immigrants. He has multiple and severe injuries. They put him in Isolation for now, he has not been allowed to see a doctor since Saturday. They were yelling at him in Spanish, Maten a la migra. which means kill the Border Patrol Agent.”

    http://firesociety.com/article/10219

  102. southerntragedy on February 5th, 2007 at 6:23 pm

    I’ll wait patiently for my last post.

    Catcha later! Dinner ready!

  103. bigjolly on February 5th, 2007 at 6:27 pm

    But, but….I thought the complaint was that he WAS in isolation????????

  104. bigjolly on February 5th, 2007 at 6:32 pm

    #130 southerntragedy Says:
    January 23rd, 2007 at 5:23 pm e

    Just recieved this from Grassfire.org
    Sorry if someone else posted it.

    Just when I thought the Ramos/Compean case could not possibly get more bizarre…

    Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC), in a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, charges that the two agents were charged under a statue that did not apply to the facts of the case.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53873

    But that’s not all. Grassfire has also learned that Ignacio Ramos is being held in solitary confinement in a 6 foot by 12 foot cell. For more, click here:

    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_I

  105. nz-texas on February 5th, 2007 at 6:37 pm

    #92
    did you watch the 7s this weekend?? Samoa? Who’d a thunk it

  106. sunny on February 5th, 2007 at 6:38 pm

    #99…Texpat…that was most likely Rugby Union you watched in Wales, not Rugby League…similar but with some differences.

    As in rugby league the ball must be passed backwards or laterally in order to get it forward. The ball may be knocked, thrown, or deflected from one player to another in any direction except forwards. If a player unintentionally throws the ball forwards the referee orders a “scrum” where the infringement occurred. A scrum is formed by the two sets of forwards closing up for the ball to be put on the ground between them. A minimum of five players per side take part; the number is usually eight. There must be three players of each side bound together in the front row of the scrum. The front rows crouch and interlock so that no player’s head is next to the head of a team-mate. All other players in the scrum must bind with at least one arm and hand round the body of a team-mate. There are two scrum formations adopted by teams: the 3-2-3 and the 3-4-1; the latter is generally favoured, with variations such as 3-3-2 and 3-3-1 for forward link penetration with the half-backs. When the ball is put into the scrum (usually by the scrum-half) it has to go into the middle of the tunnel made by the two front rows who will then attempt to “hook” or heel the ball back through their scrum so that another movement may begin, often through the half-backs and three-quarters. A scrum is also ordered when a knock-on occurs. This happens when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forwards or when the ball hits a player on the hand or arm and goes forwards to touch the ground or another player before the player who has been hit can catch it.

    Two recurrent and important features of open play are the “ruck” and the “maul”. A ruck is formed by one or more players from each team in physical contact and on their feet, closing around the ball when it is on the ground and between them. A maul is formed by one or more players from each team (at least three in total) on their feet and in physical contact, closing around a player who is carrying the ball. A maul ends when the ball is on the ground, the ball or a player carrying it emerges from the maul, or when a scrum is ordered. When the ball becomes unplayable in a maul a scrum is ordered. Neither ruck nor maul can take place in the in-goal areas.

    Are you sorry you asked? lol

  107. nz-texas on February 5th, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    #106
    you forgot to mention the thumb up the backside trick

  108. Shannon on February 5th, 2007 at 6:47 pm

    texpat.

    Lola’s son Paul played Rugby for Sam Houston.

    Crazy SOB.

    $100,000 fixed his wrist up just fine.

  109. southerntragedy on February 5th, 2007 at 6:52 pm

    In case you missed it BJ: They had been moved. Both separated in different jails.

    Hope the linky works!

    http://www.firesociety.com/blog/139/10128/Day-16-Ignacio-Ramos-Moved-Conditions-Not-Good/

    Don’t shoot the messenger. I want to get to the bottom of this, just as much as anyone. Right now, I will take the side of a border patrol agent over a drug dealer.

  110. nz-texas on February 5th, 2007 at 6:52 pm

    would have preferred rugby growing up instead of football - more physical and more conditioning - less strategy

  111. bigjolly on February 5th, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    #109

    But ST, why were they moved? Because they protested isolation? Now it results in what the prison was trying to protect them from and they aren’t happy?

    BTW, I don’t believe the story. Just for the record. How convenient. Five illegals beat him up. Okiedokie.

  112. sunny on February 5th, 2007 at 7:01 pm

    #107…lol wouldn’t one prefer to forget that, Texpat? I’m a Rugby League fan…not much of a Rugby Union fan. League is a hard game, played by tough guys, that’s for sure. They are very physical games and to play 80 minutes full on, they have to be fit. Each half is 40 minutes, a point I really didn’t need to explain!

  113. nz-texas on February 5th, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    #112
    Actually, the toughest game I ever watched was AFL - talk about no rules

  114. sunny on February 5th, 2007 at 7:14 pm

    #113…yeah…and it’s called “Australian Rules”…the guy who invented it must have been drunk on Aussie rum at the time! No rules…take no prisoners….it’s a fast game, that’s for sure.