Lately we’ve seen a disturbing trend of prosecutors going after border cops. A lot of people wonder where this push is coming from.
Now we know. South of the border, down Mexico way:
The Mexican Consulate played a previously undisclosed role in the events leading to U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton’s high-profile prosecution of Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who are serving 11 and 12 year sentences for their role in the shooting of a drug smuggler, according to documents obtained by WND.And Mexican consular officials also demanded the prosecution of Texas Sheriff’s Deputy Guillermo “Gilmer” Hernandez, who subsequently was brought to trial by Sutton, the documents reveal.
WND has obtained a copy of a letter written April 18, 2005, by Mexican Consul Jorge Ernesto Espejel Montes in Eagle Pass, Texas, demanding Hernandez be prosecuted for injuring a Mexican national, Marciela Rodriguez Garcia.
The letter’s broken English even threatened to “punish” the United States for Deputy Hernandez’s actions:
Based on the Consular Convention between Mexico and the United States and the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Consulate of Mexico is entitled to represent, protect and defend the rights of Mexican nationals in this country. Therefore, I would like to point out, that is the care of my Country that this kind of incidents against our nationals, do not remain unpunished.
Rep. John Culberson (R-Texas) sums it up perfectly:
Culberson told WND it is “outrageous and unacceptable that our government is prosecuting U.S. law enforcement officials at the request of the Mexican government.”
There’s so much to this story that I can’t do it justice. Hop over to WND and read the whole thing.
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Since when did we elect any Mexican officials?
Oh….. nevermind
I heard about this on the radio this morning. Damn wetbacks need to stay out of this country! And they certainly need to stay out of our politics! Heads should roll over this - all the up to Capitol Hill !
Outrageous!
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We do need border control, but we don’t need that kind of name calling.
Yes, it’s outrageous, and we should be mad as hell, but let’s not use racial epithets please.
Just listen to ericpjohnson. These guys are guilty and deserve everything they got. All the congressmen are lying about it.
Just because Sutton has lied, that the DHS has lied, and that 25 percent of the jury has signed affidavits saying they were lied to and believe the agents are not guilty means nothing. The mountian of evidence indicating probable misconduct by the prosecutor and a railroad job means nothing.
ericpjohnson knows, he had access to the transcript month before the were even written. He has personal knowledge of the crime and has inside contacts so he knows stuff that no one else has access to. Please listen to eric, these guys are GUILTY. I mean one of these guys was actually accused in a domestic violence case previously and that proves he is guilty now.
Peter
Are now in PC world?
Look up operation wetback.
President Bush is betting his presidency on the outcome of the War on Terror (presumably in Iraq), and yet it seems to me that he may lose it on this one case alone. Let’s hope that someone up there in the stratosphere in DC finally pays attention to this matter and does the right thing. It stinks to high heaven, and it seems to stem from the top.
Esta todo nuevo Esatdos Unitos! Viva Bush!
What is with this appeasement of the Mexican govenment? All they ever given us are “wetbacks” (aka illegal aliens). Just because their government is corrupt do they now have to corrupt ours. The stink from this miscarriage of justice is starting to stink its way up the different levels of government. I hope it doesn’t turn out to be drug money buying all this. Because the prosecution of these border patrol officers sends a signal—-go after our drug smugglers and we will railroad you into prison.
WND?
Heck, they’re just a bunch of wackos. Just ask Eric.
Where is Eric? He seems to be uncharacteristically quiet.
How are they gonna punish us? Send even more illegals over here?!? I’m sick of the Mexican Govt acting like the SW US still belongs to them. Do we need to go and beat them again, like we did in 1848? What about the Zimmerman telegram and the Plan of San Diego?
eric is a toll for the gov/media complex.
He will rear his ugly head sooner or later.
My biggest question is “WHY”?
Why would the guvmint be listening to Mexico?
Why would our border agents be told to stand down against Mexican armed criminals?
Why would our border agents be prosecuted more rigorously than a plethora of other crimes?
This can’t be just because of loyalty of friends, or previous employers.
To me there are only a few answers:
1) Make an example of these guys to make the other agents to never enforce the border.
2) Huge amounts of money is being funneled to campaigns/accounts/drug lords on both sides of the border.
3) Conspiratorial “New World Order” that we’re going to cram this North American Union down your throat, better not get in the way.
What happened out there in Crawford Mr Bush when you met with Presedente Vicente and the Canadian PM? Is this part of a secret agreement?
All I can tell is that the rest of us who play by the rules, and pay our taxes, are getting screwed. Congratulations! The assimilation will be complete soon and there is nothing you can do about it.
Another rant: I will never let my kids learn the mexican language. Dora and spanglish programs in school are only helping in making the bottom feeders not assimilate.
Just because some busybody consulate official writes a predictable letter demanding this or that does not prove cause and effect. Remember that, many times, both the Mexican government and anti-American “international” organizations have demanded that we not execute Mexican nationals, but - guess what? - many have been executed nonetheless. If we’re simply doing Mexico’s bidding, we’re pretty inconsistent, aren’t we?
And how about the Governor of Oklahoma who, a few years back, commuted the death sentence of a Mexican to life after an international court declared his rights under the Vienna convention had been violated and the US could not execute him. Is he in the Mexicans’ pocket, too?
DOJ may have made bad decisions, and possibly even for nefarious motives (yet to be proven), but I doubt it was because of a letter from some local, low-level Mexican official.
Zippy
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Use of the term “wetback” adds nothing to the discussion, regardless of it’s historical usage.
Let’s avoid it from this point forward please.
While I agree the PCs are trying very hard to make the term illegal alien obsolete too.
The Mexican Consulate routinely sends these letters - they are nothing new
Of course the language is offensive if you are of the genre that Gilmer did nothing wrong and was just defending a soda machine
shot a car 6 times
hit an unarmed woman in the face
Was investigated by his sheriff, the Texas Rangers, the ATF
Tried and found guilty
Heeeee’s baaaaaacccckkk!
http://kpearson.faculty.tcnj.edu/Dictionary/wetback.htm
Sorry, was watching middle East Basketball and driving aimlessly around town
Operation Cloudburst was cancelled when the Army General refused an Order by Dwight Eisenhower to Turn the military on the citizens.
Eisenhowers plan was to do roundups of citizens in all major cities and if they did not have a birth certificate on them or naturalization form they were to be immediately incarcerated and shipped by train to Brownsville and then transported deep into Mexico
Eisenhower has only a few records sealed for 75 years
Cloudburst is a large portion of it
Well, the army revolted he had to get his West Point roomate jumpin Joe Swing of the 11th Airborne to carry it a smaller version called Operation Wet$%^&.
This was not a high point of the American experience dozens died, shot, died of heat stroke, shock etc.
Not something I am proud of
Sad part was, mostof these were invited furing WWII to work the fields so we would have more manpower for the factories and the divisions.
Many served under Eisenhower in Europe and were decorated war heros, including some of those shot and killed according to a professor at UCLA.
I am currently reearching it along with the border for a book I’m considering writing. Many of the claims on both sides are disputed
the disturbing reality is that Eisenhower and the Attorney General ordered the Operation WetB%^& records destroyed and sealed the Operation Cloudburst records
Thats what raised my eyebrows
You guys think Johnny Sutton gives a damn what the Mexican consulate thinks? I guarantee you that wasn’t a factor.
What is it about the word ILLEGAL these people do not understand. The friggin ILLEGAL should be in prison, not the border agents!
I am sick and tired of a president I voted for TWICE not protecting AMERICANS. CLOSE the border Mr Bush - that is YOUR job!
21 DeepPurple
Great link to an interesting history of the term “(un-PC word deleted per instruction of the publisher)”. The parallels concerning the flood of illegal workers rsulting in “Operation (un-PC word deleted per insturction of the publisher)” in the 1950s and the uproar today are fascinating - except it appears there was an actual effort at stemming the tide in the ’50s (though, apparently, it went a little too far in some cases).
No, I don’t think he cares about the Mexican consulate. But his superiors at Justice, and their colleagues at State, sure as hell do.
Some congressmen are saying they want to intervene in the justice department
In other words prosecutors andJudges along with Jury Verdicts can be overturned by the same govnerment body thats given us:
the Nation Endowment for the Arts
AmTrak
the Sacagewa Dollar (susan B Anthony too)
The Big Dig
PBS
Ruth Ginsberg
the Metro Train
I shuddering right now
Matt,
what proof? did it take the bullet out of her face or out of AD’s Butt?
except for that….
i understand that the wall needs to be built even more so with these incidents, I don’t like the arrogance of their diplomats but when you travel go to an US, Russian, Chinese, Italian and especially the English Embassy, Mexico doesn’t hold the monopoly on overbearing diplomats.
I haven’t read the WND piece, but I will. However, is there anything other than the letter to show (as Matt implies) that DOJ or the State Dept. orchestrated this prosecution due to the letter? Or is it just more conspiratorial thinking? After all, as I noted before, there are all kinds of protests from Mexico, but that hasn’t stopped all executions of Mexicans in U.S.
Truth be known, I’ll be there are lots of letters from lots of Mexican officials complaining about almost any perceived slight. That doesn’t prove much except they complain a lot.
The Mexican consulate was certainly an accomplice in this travesty, but it has to go to the top to make it happen. Every day that goes by I think Bush inches closer and closer to impeachment.
Narly
Did Gilmer get a fair trial?
was he tried in America
was he tried in Texas
Point out where I’m wrong?
Should we limit it to you being wrong or can we also include when you just make things up?
‘Cause I’ve got friends in low places
Where the whiskey drowns
And the beer chases my blues away
And I’ll be okay
I’m not big on social graces
Think I’ll slip on down to the oasis
Oh, I’ve got friends in low places –G. Brooks
Our police can not inquire about a person being here illegally, our border agents can not shoot back at drug runners trying to kill them.
What does this all seem backwards to me.
What happens when one of these ILLEGAL terroriest crosses our border with a nucular suitcase bomb
#34
2cute
This is what happens without the bomb. I am with you on the whole backwards thing. Sometimes it makes me think we are in the hand basket and going to H$LL.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2487004&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
#34
2cute
Here is the link:
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html
Though this will likely be used by some to accuse me of being “pro-illegal alien,” this continuing debate (reaching diminishing returns) could only make me consider:
A bunch of folks believe that, even assuming the two agents lied and covered up after a shooting, they should, at most, receive a suspension or similar slap on the wrist (I will not discuss the most irresponsible, like Edd Hendee, who said they should instead be given medals).
If that is true, a whole bunch of people who were accused (and maybe convicted) of lying or covering up should feel much better about themselves: Scooter Libby, Bill and Hillary, all the Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Dean, etc. As Nixon said about Hiss: It was the lie that got him.
Did a reporter ask President Bush about the border agents in the press conference this morning?
There has been several pieces of this case that does not pass the smell test. The Inspector General admitted that Congressmen were not told the truth regarding this case. Jon Sutton has much to answer…as does the judge, who has yet to have a trial transcript available for any possible appeals. There seems to lack of understanding on exactly what the agents had “lied” about. They handle the situation correctly. It was investigated by the Texas Rangers, as required by law. When the report was about to prove the border agent did no wrong, the FBI came and took over the case. Why? What prompted their interest…or rather who? I do not want to pin a medal on anyone. I want these agents to have a fair and equal opportunity to have access to all legal recourse. Just like illegal aliens would have. It is true that lies are being told…I just want to know what those lies are coming from.
Any legal scholars know how long a defendant incarcerated pending the filing of an appeal can be made to wait for a transcript necessary for the filing of such appeal?
39 and 40
18 volumes of transcript have been released.
#41
When and where?
Would they call for my incarceration if I ran over the Taco Bell Dog?
I was driving around in old Mexico,
I got lost and didn’t know which way to go,
I was confused, it was late and I was in a fog,
I ran over the Taco Bell dog.
http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/c/cheechandchong18253/iranoverthetacobelldog503597.html
43 dcgirl
go to patgray.com
I assume they are on the USDC WD Texas website, but maybe not. I skimmed through Vol 18, the sentencing hearing, hoping to learn why the agents were not out on bond during appeal (particularly since the prosecutor advised they were not considered flight risks and they apparently had been out between the jury verdict and sentencing). Unfortunately, the judge’s ruling must have been in a written order or at a later hearing because that issue is not addressed. Sutton claims DOJ did not oppose release pending appeal, so I was interested to find out why the Judge ruled otherwise.
I’m done with Volume 1 of the trial transcripts, hope to finish through 5 tonight. Don’t waste your time on Volume 1 its just setting a date for trial and jury selection.
What will it take for a President to secure our borders? Bush certainly won’t do it. How many of our citzen’s have to die before someone wakes up and smells the Java? It’s not just migrant workers crossing the border, it’s violent criminals too.
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
Why is anyone surprised about the Border Patrol agents being railroaded?
When you have a total sellout Mexican Operative/Stooge in the White House. Flavius J Bush fosters and promotes anarchy and lawlessness.
He told you again today, he will not enforce our laws unless he gets his Temp worker program.
He smiles when he tells you he will not do it.
He loves the the lawlessness he is creating. He has more in common with Chavez than he ever had with Reagan or Eisenhower.
I am as disgusted with Bush 43 as I was with O’Tricky Dicky in 1974.
I hope that the Witch from San Fransicko follows through with her implied promise –Impeach Bush. He is guiltier than Slick Willie. Because of Bush’s treason on the Border, Dan Patrick was the only Republican that I voted for last November!
For whoever was wondering where the transcripts are,here’s a link. Scroll to the bottom of the page.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/index.html
As the World turns….sounds to me like these border patrol agents were Nifoung’ed. I think there is a virus among attorneys who prosecute causing them to do such things. (Maybe Rick “Mo Fo” Perry can find a vaccine and issue another Executive Order to save us all from this cancer.)
We need to find a half-way house for those who prosecute so they will have a place to go when they get out. I’m thinking of a non-profit charity with plenty of amenities for the board members. Maybe even some great thing like a union bar card.
I am willing to serve as Chairman for a great deal of money, and I would like a golden airplane when I retire. (had my fill of parachutes).