President George W. Bush: Failure? : Lone Star Times

President George W. Bush: Failure?

by The Panda Man · 05/03/2007 12:47 pm

Honest assessment in public of President Bush’s efforts as chief executive can be difficult because of the rather strident nature of his opponents. It is impossible, after all, to balance a ledger with those who will give no credit for anything to a man they hate. But what will Bush’s legacy actually be? It is a valid question, and examining the record could be instructive. Let us try to take a level-headed look.

Economy

The economy is probably one of the President’s strongest suits. Despite terrorist attacks on the nation and a resulting recession, the American economy has rebounded and remains strong years later. Mainstream liberal media may attempt to say otherwise, but very low unemployment and strong stock markets indicate a generally healthy economic picture. There have been stumbles along the way, but Bush’s tax reductions remain a shining conservative accomplishment.

Compassionate Conservatism

This initiative of the President must be regarded as a failure. Whatever the initial reasons for the attempt, Bush’s plan to sell conservatism as “mean” and needing his brand of fiscal “compassion” largely flopped. His efforts such as “No child left behind” and extensive reaching out to Congressional Democrats only resulted in more and more spending and no political capital gained with his opponents. Some Republicans, and the President must be numbered among them, continue under the delusion that hard-left Democrats like Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi can be gotten along with, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.

Political leadership

Closely related to the “compassionate conservatism” failure, is Bush’s overall political leadership failure. Despite having both houses of Congress under Republican control for years, Bush made little effort to unify this coalition to achieve anything. Indeed, it continues to appear that the President is more interested in making friends with Democrats who hate him than those in his own party. Congressional Republicans were thus left to their own devices, resulting in a multitude of policy directions and conflicts, with little effort from Bush to sort it all out. This disarray allowed Congressional excesses to get out of hand, with nary a presidential veto to stop it. Ballooning spending, corruption, and no leadership left the Republican Party extremely vulnerable in the 2006 elections, and they were duly massacred by Democrats despite the Left’s complete lack of an electoral vision other than “Bush is evil!” While nothing is for certain, it seems highly probable that this mess could have been avoided with energetic leadership from the White House. Bush simply must take most of the blame for failing to lead a Republican House and Senate on to greater things than Mark Foley, bloated budgets, and an election drubbing.

Immigration

Two words: Total failure. There is simply no way to sugar coat this issue. President Bush favors near-open borders and assertions to the contrary are denying the reality on the ground. Thousands of illegal aliens stream across our border with Mexico every day and next to nothing is done about it. The President pays lip service to securing the border, but his claims of success are laughable. Drugs, human smuggling operators, weapons and possibly even terrorists are entering the country on a daily basis and Bush’s response is to simply legalize the flood by making them “guest workers.” This is not a Democrat/Republican issue, it is simply one of right and wrong. We have borders and we have laws, neither of which are being enforced with anything like a serious commitment. The President’s flippant attitude is therefore responsible for making a mockery of both our laws and our border. Immigration related crime, cultural divisions, and much human suffering can therefore be laid directly at his feet. President Bush may consider taking the blame “work Americans won’t do” but on this issue, to paraphrase Harry Truman, “The peso stops here.”

War On Terror

This aspect of the Bush presidency and its effect on his legacy is a complex one. Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan remain ongoing, with those in Iraq especially troubling. Americans were buoyed by initial success, and were supportive of Bush’s need to take action, but we have since become very suspicious of what has turned into a four year-long battle of attrition with a sly, shadowy enemy intertwined with the general population of Iraq. Stymied by a lack of security progress, Iraq is at a crossroads with a great danger of becoming another Vietnam for the United States. Given recent Democrat attempts to undercut the war effort, there is a distinct possibility that we could re-live the political and military disasters of the 1970s all over again. Such an outcome would hardly reflect positively on historians’ accounting of the Bush Administration, but there is still time for change. While the President gets credit for responding militarily to 9/11, he must nevertheless take the blame for a too timid prosecution of what should have been an all-out war. The hallmarks of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan over the long term have been hesitation and indecision instead of crushing force and fear-inspiring power. The world political gains made early on by our success have thus been allowed to whither away in the face of continued violence in Iraq. There is still time for President Bush to salvage operations in Iraq and prevent another Vietnam, but the task is a formidable one. Final judgment for Bush and the War On Terror, must therefore be postponed.

This accounting is necessarily a tentative one. The President’s term in office has not yet expired, and much could happen between now and his return to the ranch in Crawford. The future of Iraq naturally looms large in any calculation of Bush’s place in history, but that future is still undecided. The President has generally done well in his stewardship of our economy, and led the nation in responding to the dark days after 9/11, but there have been serious shortcomings as well. Perhaps Bush will ultimately go into the history books as a president of unachieved potential.

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52 Responses to “President George W. Bush: Failure?”

Smacktle on May 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 pm

The people are speaking and our government is not listening. Bush is following somebody elses gameplan not endorsed by the people.
Zippy_Slug on May 3rd, 2007 at 12:59 pm

I’d say the above is a pretty fair assessment. And again, who knows what the next 2 years will bring?

One thing that is almost assured, if the next president is an anti-war lib, we’ll be seeing many more attacks such as 9/11.
Astrosmith on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:06 pm

I’m not so sure we can call the economy “strong”. Sure, we’ve been going good since 9/11, but why is that? The Federal Reserve stopped publishing M3 statistics last year, so we don’t know how much money they are creating. Inflation is creeping up because of the Fed’s money creation, which can be seen in prices and the falling dollar. The real estate “bubble” is fixing to pop, since it was inflated through easy mortgages to people who are now being foreclosed on.

So just like Clinton’s “good economy” was a fraud that popped after he left office, Bush’s “good economy” may be the same thing.
PBFloyd on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:18 pm

IMHO, he is only surpassed as the worst President in history by the Jimmy Carter.

And this from someone who voted for him twice; what was the choice, elect complete Marxists like Kerry and Alspore?

But I’m withholding judgement: if he gives away Alaska back to the Russian’s because we got ‘too good a deal’, in the next couple of years, then he will plummet completely to the bottom.

The ONE thing he has done is thwart the partial-birth-murder/abortion vermin in their efforts to mainstream their agenda.

Otherwise, he is the biggest dissappointment as a President in modern times, hands down.
duhmoose on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:22 pm

Jeremy, I notice you did not put in anything about judicial appointments. How do you think that will weigh in on his legacy?
EricPJohnson on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:25 pm

#1

What are they saying?

Jeremy

stick to Pandas, really
lecard on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:27 pm

Carter was the worst but Clinton was right there with him.
Bottom line is if the Hildabeast gets the reins we will be begging to get Bush back.
twocute64001 on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:31 pm

I can not remember a decent dem president. So as far as that goes, I do not want dems in control of anything.

Bush has been a failure on the border and our homeland security.

He was a winner with his judicial appointments as well as our economy.

But his failures far out weigh his accomplishments.

He will go down in history with Carter, and clinton.
PBFloyd on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:33 pm

#7 lecard: Agree completely, but I am sick of being screwed over by the Bush/Clinton’s.

Does anyone realize we that we have had these imbeciles for almost 20 years now???

Time to pull the chain and flush them all!!!
Jeremy 'Panda Man' Weidenhof on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:34 pm

#5
Actually, that is a good point. Bush has certainly made good moves in that respect (Harriet Myers notwithstanding) which should have lasting impact. Alito and Roberts could be real strong points in Bush’s favor as far as conservatives are concerned.

#6
Sorry, the Panda Man is versatile and will branch out from time to time.
gregg on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:35 pm

Economy-C+ The stock market is up. CEO pay and bonuses are up. Many of these corps just import cheap Chinese made crap and sell it to us pleebs. The average worker is still not making squat. If you own your own business you are getting hammered in taxes and insurance along with obscene fuel costs.6 years of him and we are no closer to an energy plan or independance than when Clinton was Prez. A caveman could do what GWB has done.

Compassionate Conservatism-D- WTF is that garbage anyway?

Political Leadership- F. Period, end of story.

Immigration- F. See above.

WOT- C+. Only because we have not been hit here again. Either lucky or they havent tried hard enough.

GWB Presidency total. D.
He had the House, Senate and WH and pissed it all away and will be looked upon as closer to a Jimmy Carter clone instead of a Reagan clone.
EricPJohnson on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:44 pm

Jeremy

Like some talking head said

Its the economy s……

All other whiners….

Let me know guys after 9/11 after 36 months of continous barrages from the media asualting everything, after not getting 60 votes in the Senate how, in a time of war, Bush could have gambled by Vetoing everything and stopping spending, cause when Reagan tried cutting colas from medicaid and social security, the Dems cut starwars and aircraft carriers

Let me know geniuses - got all the complaints but none of the answers

No child left behind was to regulate spending and get measurable results, at the time he had to trade THAT for Tax CUTS

I got an Idea

Jeremy, total up all your 9/12 portfolio, sent the difference in, send back your tax cuts

After all even a Panda bites a hand holding bamboo
The Dude on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:45 pm

Economy - B+

Compassionate Conservatism - a big fat F
I’ve come to loathe the very term.

Leadership - F

Immigration - F

WOT - C (I’d agree with gregg’s #11)

Overall - D (even being generous). My votes for him are the only ones I can honestly say I regret casting.
gregg on May 3rd, 2007 at 1:59 pm

EPJ,
How much have you saved with GWB tax cut? Please give us a hard number. Ive looked at my past returns and dont really see anything substantial. I have a small business and itemize. Everything seems to be very similar year after year. The only thing costing more is my insurance and fuel costs which wipe out anything he let me keep.

Until you get into the high income brackets, your so called tax cut was negligible. What, $200? Keep drinking the Koolaid. Did you cash your $2000 check from Rick Perry’s tax cut?
twocute64001 on May 3rd, 2007 at 2:03 pm

gregg and all, we all know not to respond to a shill, Evil E will only go away once he is totally ignored.

We all know he is full of bull hockey, and will tell whoppers at every turn
gregg on May 3rd, 2007 at 2:09 pm

Thats true but ask him a direct question and he leaves sooner.
Lizzie on May 3rd, 2007 at 2:18 pm

I have no wish to discuss President Bush…I just ate.

Is anyone going to watch the debate tonight? If you support one of the candiates debating, who is it and why.

Any Fred Thompson supporters out there? Any Newt fans?
Lizzie on May 3rd, 2007 at 2:19 pm

OOPS candiates should be candidates.
Shannon on May 3rd, 2007 at 2:24 pm

The Bush score?

2 good SCOTUS Judges.
A good six months following 9/11.
Tax Cuts.
The rest: Abject failure.
Astrosmith on May 3rd, 2007 at 2:31 pm

Tax cuts? you want to give him credit for tax cuts? GWB should only get PARTIAL credit there, because they MADE THEM EXPIRE in 2010!!!

Oh, we’ll just renew them in 2010 when the time comes…

NO, WE WON’T, because of his lack of political leadership which lead to the Democrat takeover of Congress last year!

Though, as a father of four, I REALLY like that $1000/child tax credit. I’ll enjoy it while it lasts.
Rastus on May 3rd, 2007 at 2:33 pm

Is John McSwine still running for President? He hasn’t announced in a couple of days now.
Lizzie on May 3rd, 2007 at 2:36 pm

#21 Rastus…unfortunatly yes, he’s going to be on the debate tonight. I plan on watching, provided I can control my mouth when I see him. I have a tendancy to talk to my television…as long as it doesn’t answer me back I figure I’m still sane. My kids think it’s funny as well.
Meglet on May 3rd, 2007 at 2:50 pm

Okay well I don’t feel very qualified with all these people and their hard facts but this is the way I’m looking at it…

First off can anyone tell me what President Reagan’s popularity was in his last year of office?

Secondly I don’t know which of you remembers but in the first election we had Bush up against Al Gore…did any of you wish to have him instead? I wish I had you a little clock to turn back the dial and choose him, then see what happened in the following years! Especially after 9/11…I’m telling you THAT is the stuff nightmares are made of!!

Thirdly I don’t know that anyone ever thought he was perfect and I don’t think there has BEEN a perfect president (although I hear Reagan came pretty close). I haven’t any idea what all decisions he’s had to make as the president that we’ll never know about, threats that were squelched etc. I’d really rather give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance because there are things the presidents have to deal with that the public will NEVER know about.

Oh and you know what thing he DID do right–he finally got that bill signed off against partial-birth abortion didn’t he?

I am sure I just came off sounding like some idiotic Bush fanatic but I’m really not. I just know that I have appreciated what he’s given us especially when compared to the people we COULD have had (i.e. algore and Kerry).
duhmoose on May 3rd, 2007 at 3:08 pm

Unless things change drastically before Bush leaves office, I doubt he will be remembered by history as a failure.
gregg on May 3rd, 2007 at 3:08 pm

I still get a kick out of whenever people try to say Bush is ok they always say Algore or Kerry would be worse. Thats like swallowing poop with cherry flavor and saying “Well, it would be worse without the cheery flavor”
twocute64001 on May 3rd, 2007 at 3:19 pm

Gore and kerry are both idiots, but that does not make up for the week leadership of the GOP
notrelated2hreid on May 3rd, 2007 at 3:20 pm

It would have been bad if either of the two dems were in office. That said, at least you would know what to expect. With GW, he is rarely conservative.

Ideas of how it could/should be done for the remainder of term:
Economy - permanent tax cuts (hmmm, we had Republicans in power and could not get it done–missed opportunity). A better idea: Fair Tax–do it now! Get rid of the IRS and all the special interests.

Compassionate Conservatism - Get the federal government out of education ($0 budget dollars), the states can and are handling it. The federal government is another back that has to be scratched.

Political leadership - Republicans act like Democrats. The platform needs to be resurrected and if there are those in the party who do not agree with it, they need to leave the party. Who is the head of the GOP?

Immigration - Seal the borders today! The laws are on the books and no congressional action is necessary. Let congress deal with those here. The border is a sieve and needs to be closed by whatever means necessary, including the military since we have been invaded.

War On Terror - Institute martial law in Baghdad and any other province/region that has a problem. Take the weapons away from the citizens and establish law and order. Curfews should be the order of the day and arrests should be made for violations. Secure the borders. Borders should be secured and monitored 24/7. No one should be allowed to come or go until order is restored. Secure the oil fields and begin flowing oil to the US to pay for the cost of the war. In Afghanistan, torch the opium fields and add more troops to suppress and get rid of the Taliban. Tell Pakistan they must give up Bin Laden or we must cut off aid.

Bush could honestly come on national TV and say he screwed up the war in Iraq. In order to correct it, he is doubling the number of troops and clamping down on civil liberties until the insurgency stops.

Or Bush and Cheney could both resign and give Pelosi her dream shot. She might even join the campaign fray, which would take her away from leading the country. They cannot vote if they are not in Washington, so maybe we should make every Democrat a viable presidential candidate and they would all hit the campaign trail, then we would not have to worry about new laws being passed.

Just a few thoughts!
stwilhelm on May 3rd, 2007 at 4:01 pm

Although I am not willing to dismiss GWB as the worst President ever, I am becoming increasingly disappointed with him. I am thankful that he was the one giving the speech to the workers at Ground Zero two days after the attacks, and not the alternative. But — the strength he showed that day and the days that followed has turned to mush. Our borders are wide open — which to me, is one of my biggest concerns. Why? — ANYONE can get in. Those who come for “jobs” and then we educate their children, take care of their sick, feed their hungry. At which time, the THUGS (be they terrorists or just plain thugs) rape and murder our citizens, steal, have shoot outs on our highways, etc., but can “claim” protection under their respective “home” embassies. All of this so that GWB can promote his “foreign relations policy”. To me, this is the legacy that will be left by GWB.
notrelated2hreid on May 3rd, 2007 at 4:14 pm

It could be about that drug we’re all addicted to–OIL. The Venezuelans are fxing to pull the plug and maybe he does not want to make the Mexicans mad because they have a nice stash of oil. If only we had an energy policy that would really help us get off OIL period. We have a lot of great minds but there has been no prize or carrot since oil is relatively cheap and convenient.
I Am Iron Man on May 3rd, 2007 at 4:56 pm

Failure? Definitely a disappointment.

I’m no longer a cheerleader. Bush has gone for nachos at a critical part of the game and left us behind…..
Lawrence C. on May 3rd, 2007 at 5:12 pm

Hey, EPJ, Bush shouldn’t have had to trade anything, until the last election he was working with a Republican controlled House and Senate. Kudos to the man for his tax cut successes, although most are temporary and set to expire. In addition, some are offset by the lack of action on the AMT - something that will eventually affect you if it hasn’t already. Most folks aren’t aware, but the child tax credit, education credits, personal exemptions and itemized deductions are phased out beyond certain income levels. How is that benefitting the rich? I have some statistics hanging on my office wall I got from the GAO a few years back regarding who is carrying the federal income tax burden in this country. Let me share them with you - it might cause you to pause.

Top 1% Income pay 37% of all Income Taxes
Top 5% Income pay 56% of all Income Taxes
Top 10% Income pay 67% of all Income Taxes
Top 25% Income pay 84% of all Income Taxes
Top 50% Income pay 96% of all Income Taxes
Bottom 4% 50% Income pay 4% of all Income Taxes
whocares on May 3rd, 2007 at 5:15 pm

Perhaps we wouldn’t have had 9/11 if Gore or anybody else had been president. After all, W and his crew had several warnings about 9/11 and didn’t do a damn thing about them. In fact, W was on vacation more than any president ever had been leading up to 9/11. Then when told about our country “being under attack” he chose to spend the next 7 minutes reading My Pet Goat. That’s not what a real leader would do. I have never understood why everyone thinks that Liberals being in charge would result in more terrorist attacks. 9/11 took place on W’s watch. Not on a Liberal’s watch. I personally think he’s the worst president we’ve ever had. It’ll take years if not decades to recover from his Administration. Oh and by the way, where the fuc# is Osama? If W really was a tough guy who was tough on terror don’t you think he’d at least be trying to get Osama? There not even trying. And when they did have the chance to get him in Tora Bora, they outsourced it to the Afghan and Pakistani tribesmen who were Osama’s homeboys. Good lord, is that why W is so tough on terror?
Lawrence C. on May 3rd, 2007 at 5:20 pm

EPJ, as far as portfolio income is concerned, I lost quite a bit of money in calendar year 2000, Bush’s first year in office pre 9/11. That was followed up by a smaller loss in 2001 and then the worst loss ever in 2002. Haven’t come close to making up those losses since but working on it. Way I see it, Bush owes me money. When can I expect my check? I hope it’s not written on the same account Perry used for my $2,000 property tax cut. Got any cheese to go with my whine?
Shannon on May 3rd, 2007 at 5:29 pm

Perhaps we wouldn’t have had 9/11 if Gore or anybody else had been president.

Alert, Squawk. This one has to go into the Hall of Fame immediately.

You know which category.
Lawrence C. on May 3rd, 2007 at 5:30 pm

EPJ, the real trick is that the guy who pays absolutely no income tax or actually negative income tax in the form of the EIC and is receiving multiple government entitlements - his vote counts just as much as the top 5% in income who are carrying 56% of the freight. At election time, do you really believe the folks in the wagon are EVER gonna let the folks pulling the wagon affect any change?
Lawrence C. on May 3rd, 2007 at 5:39 pm

Im sorry EPJ, correction needed.

Bottom 50% Income pay 4% of all Income Taxes
Squawkbox Noise on May 3rd, 2007 at 6:40 pm

George Bush AKA Texas Two Step.
That’s one step forward and two steps back.

WOT positive
Secure our borders bwahahaha
Illegal immigration bwahahahaha

Got a tax cut positive
New entitlement created bad real bad
Largest transportation bill ever signed with so much pork both sides could not believe it was signed….real bad

Got “conservative judges (still not proven but I will give them the benefit of doubt
But signed McCain/Feingold
Has done massive flip flop on Texas death penalty

And these are a few of my favorite things I could go in but Jeremy did a fine job of illustrating my point. BTW this Texas two step occured while the Republicans “were in power” btw.

And folks because of Bush and the other so called “conservative Republicans” that still hold office and not the War on Terror/Iraq the Democrats will sweep in 08. Unless Thompson runs. Then the Republicans may control one branch of the gubment.

For all intents and purposes the Conservative base has had it.
phil on May 3rd, 2007 at 8:49 pm

Jorge Bushnandez says “there is no easy way out of Iraq. leaving now would bring short-term satisfaction at the cost of long-term disaster.”

I say to Jorge J Bushnandez:

Your shamnesty plan means long-term disaster for America. The short-term satisfaction it would bring your brainless ego would wreck havoc on this country for generations to come. You are a traitor whose allegiance is to Mexico and not the USA. You deserve to be impeached.
southerntragedy on May 3rd, 2007 at 9:44 pm

Then when told about our country “being under attack” he chose to spend the next 7 minutes reading My Pet Goat. That’s not what a real leader would do. I have never understood why everyone thinks that Liberals being in charge would result in more terrorist attacks. 9/11 took place on W’s watch. Not on a Liberal’s watch. I personally think he’s the worst president we’ve ever had. It’ll take years if not decades to recover from his Administration. Oh and by the way, where the fuc# is Osama?

Never saw Michael Moore’s “documentary”, but I think he reads LST!

I’m not even going to bother to respond, since you already have your mind made up, Michael Moore. Have you ever read a book to a young children’s classroom and an emergency arose? Do you even have children? Imagine your kid that just accidentally chopped off his finger….What are you gonna go? Huh?
Ree-C Murphey on May 3rd, 2007 at 10:19 pm

Jeremy: I stand with you on this. You wrote an excellent “defense” of GWB, and I agree.

I am just heartsick over the state of political “dialog” in this country. Even support for the war is waning by those that know better.

I’m not happy that GWB has botched things so much, but then again, much of what he has “done” is part of the propaganda by the Mainstream Media that has been unrelentless in the attacks on him since the day he became Presidnet. The truth of the matter is, truth is hard to come by, especially if it is reported in the Mainstream Media.

Goebbels was right…
EricPJohnson on May 3rd, 2007 at 10:45 pm

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Lawrence then pay the older higer rates!

Also Perry Cut your taxes your local governments raised your taxes - those people are democrats

Please lets get the tax cutting democrats back in office

If your portfolio lost money, except for enron and petsmart investors - you are the only one who managed to do that I have heard of?

Go ahead, hillary loves you, will take care of you, will give you an America you will never forget
EricPJohnson on May 3rd, 2007 at 10:48 pm

but still all you whiners, Bushco Bots

What would you do in a time of war?

Tied in the Senate, need tax cuts to restart the economy,

Whats your easy proposal?

The only thing I notice here is that the Dems and you guys have the same montra - its Bushes fault.

Riiiight
jimb on May 3rd, 2007 at 11:06 pm

Eric - thanks for putting down the bong long enough to enlighten us. I, for one, think that Jeremy’s analysis is eminently fair…
Squawkbox Noise on May 3rd, 2007 at 11:13 pm

its Bushes fault.

so tell me Eric, who else has been “in charge” for the past 6 years hmmmmm?

Awww never mind i am going to bed. Toodles

/Bushco Bots?
Lawrence C. on May 4th, 2007 at 7:34 am

EPJ, S&P 500 TOTAL returns(including dividends):

2000 (9.10)
2001 (11.89)
2002 (22.10)

I guess I’m not the only one to lose money in that 3 year period. It’s pretty obvious to me that you don’t know a whole lot about finance/investing.
EricPJohnson on May 4th, 2007 at 7:59 am

Jimb

Jeremy should have stuck to the Pandas

It was full of errors like - where were the democrats

Why they were still in power during 2/3′ds of Bushes term

Once you have the senate or a tie, or a filibuster minority you can stop anything

Except for that minor yet salient fact

Jeremy didn’t also address the actual things Bush wanted to pass and how congress changed it in compromise

Nope somehow it was a dictatorship

Funny how that was
whocares on May 4th, 2007 at 9:10 am

“I’m not even going to bother to respond, since you already have your mind made up, Michael Moore. Have you ever read a book to a young children’s classroom and an emergency arose? Do you even have children? Imagine your kid that just accidentally chopped off his finger….What are you gonna go? Huh?”

I like the “I’m not going to respond” then you go ahead with your response. Here’s the deal…if the “country is under attack” in this nuclear age you get YOUR *** OFF THE CHAIR AND START BEING A LEADER. Heaven forbid you should ruin a few kindergartners day by getting to work seeing what the hell is going on. I do have a kid and him chopping his finger off doesn’t relate to “the country is under attack”. Not even close.

And **** michael moore. He has nothing to do with the fact that your glorious leader was asleep at the wheel when 9/11 happened. It happened on his watch while he was setting records for being on vacation more than any other president on record. Anybody want to dispute that? He was clearing brush while getting memos stating “alqaeda determined to attack the US with planes”. What did they do with that vital piece of info….nothing.

I’m not a liberal, I’m not michael moore, I hate Rosie Odonnell and I don’t wear a tin hat….I just call em how I see em.
whocares on May 4th, 2007 at 9:12 am

“Alert, Squawk. This one has to go into the Hall of Fame immediately.”

Alert, Squawk….your sound effects don’t change the fact that 9/11 happened on your guy’s watch. Is it the Hall of Fame for Reality that I’m going into?
Squawkbox Noise on May 4th, 2007 at 9:20 am

whocares

Hmmm I’m a sound effect huh? Let me introduce myself. I am the LST Moderator, Handyman, curator of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Museum (LST branch) and all round nice guy.

And in my official capacity of moderator you can drop using the f*** garbage. We get your message without using that word munged or not.
whocares on May 4th, 2007 at 9:22 am

My apologies for the language. I take offense to being called Michael Moore. It won’t happen again. Have a great weekend!
Squawkbox Noise on May 4th, 2007 at 9:24 am

Thanks and I can understand that. You have a great weekend too.
Meglet on May 4th, 2007 at 9:55 pm

HAH I love the line about Dubya having lots of warning…don’t even get me started about WARNING! You talk about someone with warning and didn’t do a flippin thing about it you look at Bill Clinton that’s what! THEN you think about whether or not it still would have happened under Al Gore’s watch. Heck they DID bomb the towers once under Clinton, why wouldn’t they have done it again under Gore??