Please Edd come back home. That doofus you all sent up to dallas is not far enough away. We need some hard news and commentary down here - not just a bunch of poorly done skits. We got no football, no baseball - can’t we at least have some meaningful talk radio?
Looks like the fix is in for the passage of the amnesty bill. Enough rinos will vote for it to pass cloture with those needing hiding space -cronyn and hutch to hide- so future elections won’t be a problem.
Similarly this is what happened with the goodhair/spanish highway system. The state legislature voted against the bill or a two year moratorium but gave it to goodhair so he could veto it with absolutely no chance of the legislature having to override his veto. This way they all got to keep the funding kickback from the spanish/american company contributions and got to hide from angry voters. As they did vote to delay it but goodhair vetoed the bill which is what was intended from the get go. darth and cradick got there contributions and help delay the bill so that it would arrive to late where goodhair would have to veto it and they would have to vote to override the veto or face the anger of voters.
goodhair is now going to come around like a dog with his tail between his legs pretending to be honest and straight forward while he plants his next lies to get elected senator when gutless hutch decides to run for governor.
This was all planned out before any of it hit the Legislative floors. VIVA MEXAS, AMEXIA and long live the AMERO.
I’m with you… both situations are a fix, and they “nay” votes are just cover. I’m not going to vote for any of them; Perry, Cronyism, or Hutchison. They’re all a bunch of RINO’s.
If and only if the cloture vote fails will I reconsider voting for them.
NHT - From start to finish, Cornyn has been strongly and vocally against this bill. He’s held numerous press conferences explaining why it’s bad. He’s tried to convince other Senators to vote against it, with some success. Him, Sessions, and DeMint have been the only bright lights in this cave of amnesty. He even got wishy-washy Hutchinson to join him. What more can he do to convince you of his sincerity?
Same question to you too, Wino. Seems like you’re putting Cornyn in a no-win situation. If he votes for cloture he’s for amnesty. If he votes against cloture he’s in on the scam.
OK, on Cornyn and his immigration stance. I agree with that. I didn’t vote for him last time, either, because I don’t think he has our interests at heart. I will probably vote for him if he can get the cloture vote to fail. He’s got the chance to WIN my vote. Hutch has a chance, too, but her chance is much slimmer than his.
Perry, though, is a toad, and couldn’t get my vote if he were to give me a Lewinsky personally every day for a month before the election.
With all the serious issues that we have to deal with in life, I like Pat Gray because I smile at his jokes and light hearted nature. I believe, that if you constantly are serious about ALL the issues and never smile, the depression will set in and become overwhelming. My opinion is lighten up and get a life with a little humor in it. Besides if you want the news LST is world class and will give you all the news you need along with a few other web sites.
I agree with Wino on everything except the Lewinsky - no Thanks. I am probably wrong but with all the sleezy tactics the rinos use to pass legislation I just don’t trust any of them - VOTE AGAINST ALL INCUMBENTS. I have to give my state rep. and senator credit as they did vote the way they said they were.
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Emotionally I would like to see Cornyn go in like Lyndon and twist off some arms, rationally that would be counter productive. Cornyn is a strong influence in our favor.
From Michelle Malkin:
Senators Cornyn, Dole, DeMint, Vitter, Sessions write Senator Reid on “Unprecidented floor proceedure…” the letter was posted last night at MM’s page.
If Cronyism can get the Amnesty Bill stopped, he’ll get my vote. Otherwise, I see his stance as cover, not conviction.
Him getting my vote, of course, relies on him not doing something really stupid after stopping Amnesty, though. I don’t put it past any Pol not to do something stupid.
NHT & Wino - I think we all have a right to be suspicious of our politicians’ motives. But on this immigration bill Cornyn has really not been on the wrong side. I have many other issues with him, just not on this one. In the case of KBH, I think NHT’s assessment is probably correct. Her vote is a classic CYA move and her vote is probably a direct result of the outrage from her constituents. I guess the only bright spot with her is she seems to be listening to us.
There are also several hurdles before the bill gets out of the Senate. Cloture is just one. Just like round one, I give it a 50/50 chance in the Senate and no chance of agreement with the House.
NHT - I think there are enough Democrats that think its too tough on illegals or will hurt their precious Unions and enough Republicans who see it for the amnesty it is so that there will not be a simple majority in favor of passage.
Two conservative Republicans, once part of the intense, monthslong bipartisan negotiations that crafted the bill, have already jumped ship. Georgia Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson took a lot of heat back home just for working with supporters, with Chambliss getting booed at a state Republican Party convention in May.
“Everybody did a noble job of dealing with a difficult problem in a noble way,” Isakson said. But the members did not take into account “public confidence … It’s just not there.”
These are two republicans that were strongly supporting it but have changed their minds after listening to the outrage of their constituents.
per mmdotcom - 10:54am.EST John Cornyn is up. (Rough transcipt) — I’ve argued that the current bill sets up the DHS for failure because it requires them to grant approval of Z visa applications for full travel/work authorization within 24 hours even if background check not complete. Cornyn attacks White House for calling that “mythology.” Cornyn quotes the bill. White House is not telling the truth. “My concern is the gulf between the promise being made to the American people and the likelihood that the prommise will be carried out.” Why…has nothing been done about 600,000-plus absconders already? Can they build exit system? Can they process 12 million applicants? Can they detain those caught on the border?
Only seven Pubbies supported it two weeks ago. Two of those have jumped ship. Does anybody know of any public statements from Republican Senators who are now supporting it?
Those mexican drug runners are always thinkng of new methods of getting the product to market. They are also using the new methods to run from BP. They are like little ants building their mounds before the rain.
If someone has noted it, I didn’t see it. Has anybody else noticed how quiet McCain and Bush have been on Immigration the last two weeks ? Mc Cain because his ratings were falling like a rock and Bush because everytime he opened his mouth he caused a huge backlash.
One thing I’m unclear on. Suppose this vote for cloture passes. As I understand it this cloture vote is to send it to the full Senate for debate. Couldn’t the bill then be filibustered and require 60 votes to kill the filibuster?
“You know, I’ve heard all the rhetoric — you’ve heard it, too — about how this is amnesty. Amnesty means that you’ve got to pay a price for having been here illegally, and this bill does that,” Bush said, according to the official White House transcript.
lets see i voted republican because of because of because of - ah oh maybe their platform - ah no they dont follow a platform ah ah ah - just why again do i vote republican? gee i forgot!!
250,000 forclosures are in the process of happening. a friend of mine in high meadow ranch said his appraisal went doown 80,000 this year.
what will the schools and county do when the forclosures take hold and appraisals come down significantly - like real estate values could come down 20% or more in the next year and a half.
i guess they will do what the bums do and beg on the street corner.
If we cannot get enough votes to stop cloture how can we get 60 votes for a filibuster?
if there is a filibuster, there needs to be 60 votes to end the filibuster. Now if we can keep the republicans together then there will not be the 60 needed to end it.
This is now out in paperback, “The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution”. It has received some great reviews and I intend to order it. The author is not only an attorney, but also a very respected historian with a PhD in that field.
well the democrats have won! lets vote for them so they get full credit on the impending depression. this congress both parties and bothe houses have let the corpoate special interests take over our government (mcain fiengold).
by voting the democrats in office we as conservatives will be in control for many years. a republican was elected president in 1952 after the great depression in the late 1920’s.
if our great demoghrapher from texas harry dent is correct in the timing of this depression coming up in 2009 - 2011 timeframe the republicans would be in control for many yeara.
i am old enough to remember this country in the 1950’s and it was much more conservative back then than we would recognize now. what a shame it has turned out to be our great USA - indeed!
#72 - It is still our party, we just need to take it back the reins and kick them out. As Kennebush was fond of saying: “You are either for us or against us.” It’s clear that he is against us on this. He can’t run again but we can sure excommunicate his like-minded buddies om the primaries. And we better start making noise now before Jimmy Dick gets too comfortable with the idea of running for higher office.
Take a short break from the poly-ticks:
Since I’m originally from Arkansas I get a pass on this:
A guy from Arkansas passed away and left his entire estate to his beloved widow, but she can’t touch it till she’s 14.
How do you know when you’re staying in an Arkansas hotel? When you call the front desk and say, “I got a leak in my sink,” and the clerk replies, “Go ahead.”
How can you tell if an Arkansas redneck is married? There’s dried tobacco juice on both sides of his pickup truck.
Did you hear that they have raised the minimum drinking age in Arkansas to 32? It seems they want to keep alcohol out of the high schools.
What do they call reruns of “Hee Haw” in Arkansas .Documentaries.
An Arkansas State trooper pulls over a pickup on I-30 and says to the driver, “Got any I. D.?” and the driver replies ” ‘Bout wut?”
Did you hear about the $3 million Arkansas State Lottery? The winner gets $3.00 a year for a million years.
The governor’s mansion in Arkansas burned down! Yep. Pert’ near took out the whole trailer park. The library was a total loss too. Both books –poof! up in flames, and he hadn’t even finished coloring one of them.
A new law was recently passed in Arkansas .. When a couple gets divorced, they are STILL cousins.
A guy walks into a bar in Arkansas and orders a mudslide. The bartender looks at the man and says, “You ain’t from ’round here, are ya? “No,” replies the man, “I’m from Pennsylvania.” The bartender looks at him and says, “Well, what do you do in Pennsylvania?” “I’m a taxidermist,” said the man. The bartender, looking very bewildered now asks, “What in the world is a tax-e-derm-ist?” The man says, “I mount animals.” The bartender stands back and hollers to the whole bar… “It’s okay boys, he’s one of us!”
lou dobbs says we should register to vote as independant. he also thought it was ironic that paris hilton spent more time in jail than an illegal allien. he was truly funny at the press club.
I agree with you. My disgust and anger lies in knowing other conservatives won’t be so forward-thinking or patient. This is going to cost conservatism dearly and where we will feel it the most is in the judiciary. Just remember every time a terrible ruling is unleashed from the bench, it is almost always the legacy of Carter or Clinton.
The SCOTUS issued three 5 to 4 rulings this week which favored conservative philosophy. The only reason we got those is because GWB appointed Roberts and Alito. There are several leftist judges who should be retiring now, but they are waiting in hopes a Democrat will be elected in ‘08. When these presidents and senators are long gone from DC, the most abiding and persistent legacy they leave are the judges they get on the bench.
Forward thinking patience got me a President who believes in amnesty and sending money to Fatah. No thanks.
Not saying I don’t believe in any Republicans. I’m just saying the predominant mentality in the party is anything but conservative lately. Credit is due Cornyn and Hutchison. I’ll take it for what it’s worth.
I’ve always heard the phrase, “card carrying Republican”, so I would imagine if there was such thing as registered single party voters in this state, they would be issued cards identifying them as such. No? Dad voted strraight ticket Republican always, and he didn’t have a card.
It was not forward thinking that got us George Bush. It was, in fact, that he was most electable and, unfortunately, in a democracy we often have to roll the dice in that way. I voted for Bush fully aware of his position on immigration, as I have written here before. I just hoped and prayed he wouldn’t do what he has done. As much as you and others want to believe third parties are a viable alternative in an American democratic republic, they never have been and never will be. If I thought a third party had a chance in hell, I would drop everything I am doing to help create it.
My philosophy is if you can keep a president, or any other politician, from doing too much damage, cut taxes a little and at least get some decent judges, you’ve already accomplished alot. I invest very little personally in candidates and distrust them explicitly. My expectations are lower than most folks.
If anyone has a credible, realistic plan for creating a truly functioning third party with the numbers and organization to be contenders in national elections, I’d love to see it.
If anyone has a credible, realistic plan for electing a truly conservative Republican with the numbers and organization to be contenders in national or local elections, I’d love to see it.
dowjones25k, lives in waller county and doesn’t live in waller county, he is a registered Republican and voted in the Waller primary and they did not stamp his card because he voted in Hempstead where they do and do not give tax exemption for being over 65.
dowjones25k is a man for all seasons.
My Austin County grandmother always told me, when I was a teenager, to stay out of Waller County and, particularly, Hempstead. She said if they didn’t like you over there, the sheriff would make you disappear.
That was good Nat. It cuts right to the chase with respect to why I haven’t and/or wouldn’t hesitate to vote third party. You can say that a third party doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell and be correct. You can also say what Nat said in #94 and be correct. One should never hesitate to vote for someone rather than against someone regardless of the prevailing wisdom of the viability of a third party.
nat i do live in waller county did recieve a over 65 exemption but it is not as large as harris county gives. i did vote early in hempstead and they did not stam my card. they said all i needed was a electric bill to vote!
The old priest lay dying in the hospital. For years he had faithfully served the people of the nation’s capital. He motioned for his nurse to come near.
“Yes, Father?” asked the nurse.
“I would really like to see Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton before I die,” whispered the priest.
“I’ll see what I can do, Father” replied the nurse.
The nurse sent the request to the Senate and waited for a response. Soon the word arrived. Kennedy and Clinton would be delighted to visit the priest.
As they went to the hospital, Clinton commented to Kennedy “I don’t know why the old priest wants to see us, but it will certainly help our images.”
Kennedy couldn’t help but agree.
When they arrived at the priest’s room, the priest took Kennedy’s hand in his right hand and Clinton’s hand in his left. There was silence and a look of serenity on the old priest’s face.
Finally Senator Kennedy spoke. “Father, of all the people you could have chosen, why did you choose us to be with you as you near the end?”
The old priest slowly replied “I have always tried to pattern my life after our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
“Amen” said Kennedy.
“Amen” said Clinton.
The old priest continued…”He died between two lying thieves. I would like to do the same.”
If anyone has a credible, realistic plan for electing a truly conservative Republican
It is quite simple really and now is the time to do it.
YOU DEMAND IT
You contact EVERY conservative organization from your local Republican chair throught the local Republican Party right up through the National Level. You contact every “candidate” out there and tell them what you want.
Do not settle for second best. The politicians we elect will rise only to the level we demand. Not to mention that they will also turn us into there personal little serfs. But that is for another discussion.
BTW Texpat, I didn’t vote for GWB in an uninformed fashion either. I voted for him because I thought him a better alternative to either Gore or Kerry. That opinion hasn’t changed. For all his flaws, I do consider GWB a better president than either Gore or Kerry would have been. Regardless of that, I still regret not exploring the third party options more thoroughly. I basically made the mistake of voting against someone rather than for someone. If the consequence of voting for someone is getting a Democrat in office, I find that consequence no less tolerable than having a liberal Republican has turned out to be.
I posted this in the other thread but I feel it worthy of a repost here:
Here’s a perfect example of why we’re going to get amnesty:
Go to http://www.cnn.com, the lead story is wrestler Chris Benoit killing himself and his family.
Go to http://www.msnbc.com, the lead story is the number of people hitting the road for the 4th of July weekend.
Go to http://www.foxnews.com, the lead story is Benoit, and another feature story on a woman who was a sex slave.
Only Drudge is reporting today’s vote as the biggest news in our nation.
The media and the government and big business have been brainwashing Americans for years and they’re done a fine job. Now they can get anything they want.
But here is what I see happening. Everyone is all ticked off now and “really” letting there reps know how they feel. The dialog between the voters and our elected politicians is actually expanding right now, believe it or not.
What will happen no matter what is the American’s will stop talking to there representatives as soon as this is all “settled”.
Hamous, with cloture, I belive philibuster is not allowed. Abreviated speeches are allowed for the ammendments, then a vote. When this passes, the house gets it and they control spending. They are able to buy votes. They also can delete all the nice ammendments our ego driven senators added. I’m just about ready to bet we have an amnesty bill within the next two weeks. Goodbye America. I don’t have a link, but heard on talk radio today that a huge banner was erected at the soccer finals in Chicago. It read Soldiers Field Mexico.
Yep, great point. People who never would have even thought of calling their representative for anything are picking up the phone. So maybe a “revolution” is beginning.
I am hopeing #111 headshaker and #108 Sqwauk that our country is awake. With you bloggers and talk radio, we are at the least, informed. Of course, ” The fairness doctrine” is looming.
What will happen no matter what is the American’s will stop talking to there representatives as soon as this is all “settled”.
As much as I agree with you, I think you’re cursing human nature. As a hypothetical analogy, consider how you would relate to your boss at work. Would you speak with your boss more passionately and more often about your job performance or about the mandatory (yet forgettable) ISO meeting last week? People come unglued at the things they perceive will affect them the most.
The sad thing is that it takes this horrible amnesty bill for the general public to get energized to do something. If half of the people who are outraged about this bill got involved in local politics for only 1 hour a month things would be that much better.
115 bweldon my wife has taught for over 30 years. you cant get parents interested in their own child let alone an amnesty bill. it will take a depression to solve this where everyone has no choice but to work togeter.
The only time party affiliation comes into play is in the primaries. You can only vote on one party’s primary but anyone can vote in any party’s primary. That’s why they stamp your card “Voted in Republican (or Democratic) Primary”.
Hannity has been interviewing Senators who voted for cloture.
It seems that some Senators want the debate to put a spotlight on the bad parts, such as amnesty, so that they can pick up the 39 votes they need to kill it on Thursday.
We will see.
Keep those Faxes and Emails going. It aint over till the fat…um …man sings.
I am actually pointing out human nature not cursing it.
And by what our founders established the gubment is not my boss. I am theirs. And having been the boss at various times during working career I believe in the old adage of “my way or the highway” divided by “there are people standing in line for your job” whenever I needed to play those cards.
“WE THE PEOPLE” have abdicated our duties to monitor our elected officials.
#114 Dude, Will add to that - People become unglued when they believe they have become forced to be placed in a powerless situation. (And almost always they are more angry at themselves than anyone else for allowing it.)
Shakey got me curious, so I looked at the following websites for Senate Immigration Bill headlines:
Google News - Middle of the Page
Yahoo News - Top of the Page
Headline - Top Of The Page or Top Breaking News:
Houston Chronicle
New York Times
LA Times
Miami Herald
Chicago Tribune
Absolutely No Mention At All On Front Page:
Dallas Morning News
Boston Globe
San Diego Union
Go figure ! The American people are more fired up, passionate and engaged on this subject than anything in a long time. And the MSM wonder why people are so hostile or, at best, indifferent to them.
#116 Sunny: Not a whole lot: Just that our Senate has voted cloture to give amnesty to illegals, Emmek’s AC is on the fritz, Butch is back from vacation, Rastus doen’t like Pat Gray, Paris Hilton is free at last, EmmeK got deleted and then appologized to Squawk, Dude feels our pain in #72, Shaker told a joke and gave us reasons that we’re going to get amnesty, I told one too, American woman told us that the fairness doctrine is looming, and a few other things. Other than that, not much going on. Do you have something to add to the mix?
Well, this is interesting. Now Irak needs to clean up their police force. The Army is doing well,but there are not enough of them trained and equiped thus far.
#125 Malcolm…not really. I spent an uneventful night while I was sleeping. Granting amensty doesn’t solve the problem, does it? It’s a bandaid and bandaids notoriously fall off at the most inopportune time.
We’re having a chilly start to the day down this way…but that is to be expected…after all it is winter. (Sorry, Gore-gonzola…you can’t blame it on Global-Whoring).
Other than that, I have little to add to the mix at this point in time…but I’m working on it!
you forgot that the murders of at least 3 women have been in the news, and the motives range from diamonds, to unwanted children. There was an apparent steroid murder suicide involving a professional wrestler, and the trail park are now draped in black because of it. Nicole Richie denies being pregnant, and jimb just found out
122 bweldon my wife has taught low performers - like special ed and ab in klein ISD and now part time in waller ISD. she had pregnant girls in the 8 th grade at klein. here in waller they provide free nurseries for students with children.
the real problem she thinks about education is the way the mandates come down from the feds and the state plus the lawsuit mentality the districts have adopted.
she could not even get parents to sign an assignment folder she would send home each night for them to do their homework. my wife was pretty sharp she graduate with a masters at 21 and retired at 51.
FIRST!!!!
So…
a pretty funny spoof on apple and the irack!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xcjLEwZqcQI
Mornin all, another day that God has given to us.™
Hurrah, the AC man is on his way today. We will have a cool house tonight. :)))))))
I wish the border was as well guarded.
Hey, I have 4 daughters. Can I get a volume discount?
Mornin’ all…….Back from vacation. Spent a week tubing down the Frio. Gotta move back there someday. So…..what happended while I was gone? lol
#7
Butch
The sky fell. :))
Please Edd come back home. That doofus you all sent up to dallas is not far enough away. We need some hard news and commentary down here - not just a bunch of poorly done skits. We got no football, no baseball - can’t we at least have some meaningful talk radio?
Looks like the fix is in for the passage of the amnesty bill. Enough rinos will vote for it to pass cloture with those needing hiding space -cronyn and hutch to hide- so future elections won’t be a problem.
Similarly this is what happened with the goodhair/spanish highway system. The state legislature voted against the bill or a two year moratorium but gave it to goodhair so he could veto it with absolutely no chance of the legislature having to override his veto. This way they all got to keep the funding kickback from the spanish/american company contributions and got to hide from angry voters. As they did vote to delay it but goodhair vetoed the bill which is what was intended from the get go. darth and cradick got there contributions and help delay the bill so that it would arrive to late where goodhair would have to veto it and they would have to vote to override the veto or face the anger of voters.
goodhair is now going to come around like a dog with his tail between his legs pretending to be honest and straight forward while he plants his next lies to get elected senator when gutless hutch decides to run for governor.
This was all planned out before any of it hit the Legislative floors. VIVA MEXAS, AMEXIA and long live the AMERO.
The DNC is scared fecesless of Fred Thompson.
The solution?
Engage in the politics of personal destruction:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/25/dnc-launches-early-attack-on-fred/
#10 DJ25K
I’m with you… both situations are a fix, and they “nay” votes are just cover. I’m not going to vote for any of them; Perry, Cronyism, or Hutchison. They’re all a bunch of RINO’s.
If and only if the cloture vote fails will I reconsider voting for them.
Sorry… My last was directed at NHT, not DJ25K…
#9 Rastus ,
I’m with you about Pat G. , that’s why I didn’t listen to him on that ” other ” station .!
NHT - From start to finish, Cornyn has been strongly and vocally against this bill. He’s held numerous press conferences explaining why it’s bad. He’s tried to convince other Senators to vote against it, with some success. Him, Sessions, and DeMint have been the only bright lights in this cave of amnesty. He even got wishy-washy Hutchinson to join him. What more can he do to convince you of his sincerity?
Hey, but the world can rest easier. Our long national nightmare is now over. Paris is free at last!
Same question to you too, Wino. Seems like you’re putting Cornyn in a no-win situation. If he votes for cloture he’s for amnesty. If he votes against cloture he’s in on the scam.
Hamous,
OK, on Cornyn and his immigration stance. I agree with that. I didn’t vote for him last time, either, because I don’t think he has our interests at heart. I will probably vote for him if he can get the cloture vote to fail. He’s got the chance to WIN my vote. Hutch has a chance, too, but her chance is much slimmer than his.
Perry, though, is a toad, and couldn’t get my vote if he were to give me a Lewinsky personally every day for a month before the election.
#9 and #14
Rastus and I.P.A.Bill
With all the serious issues that we have to deal with in life, I like Pat Gray because I smile at his jokes and light hearted nature. I believe, that if you constantly are serious about ALL the issues and never smile, the depression will set in and become overwhelming. My opinion is lighten up and get a life with a little humor in it. Besides if you want the news LST is world class and will give you all the news you need along with a few other web sites.
I agree with Wino on everything except the Lewinsky - no Thanks. I am probably wrong but with all the sleezy tactics the rinos use to pass legislation I just don’t trust any of them - VOTE AGAINST ALL INCUMBENTS. I have to give my state rep. and senator credit as they did vote the way they said they were.
Ok LST or Wino where is the ad?
#21 emmekelley
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Ok sounds good.
Hey Wino did you get the monitor cleaner?
Nancy Drew liked it but had something to add to the procedure. ;)))))))
20,
I believe you have the right idea. To borrow a phrase from Animal House….”Don’t get Mad! Just vote against all incumbents.”
It is the only way the electorate will get the attention of the slimball politicians and the soon to be slimeballs that will replace them.
Simple
Emotionally I would like to see Cornyn go in like Lyndon and twist off some arms, rationally that would be counter productive. Cornyn is a strong influence in our favor.
From Michelle Malkin:
Senators Cornyn, Dole, DeMint, Vitter, Sessions write Senator Reid on “Unprecidented floor proceedure…” the letter was posted last night at MM’s page.
Reid’s response http://reid.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=277754
Names: Senators including _itch McConnell, Jon Kyl and Orlon Specter, requesting “cherry picking”.
If it were not for the Pubby lapdog lackeys to American dissolution, this bill would be dead.
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#26 Simple
If Cronyism can get the Amnesty Bill stopped, he’ll get my vote. Otherwise, I see his stance as cover, not conviction.
Him getting my vote, of course, relies on him not doing something really stupid after stopping Amnesty, though. I don’t put it past any Pol not to do something stupid.
#28 emmekelley
You need a warning for that.
Caution: Emme’s link has adult content. Not work safe. Not kid safe.
Original, though.
NHT & Wino - I think we all have a right to be suspicious of our politicians’ motives. But on this immigration bill Cornyn has really not been on the wrong side. I have many other issues with him, just not on this one. In the case of KBH, I think NHT’s assessment is probably correct. Her vote is a classic CYA move and her vote is probably a direct result of the outrage from her constituents. I guess the only bright spot with her is she seems to be listening to us.
Emmekelley
#28
Let’s NOT do that again.
Squawk
Which is pretty much what I said in my #18.
There are also several hurdles before the bill gets out of the Senate. Cloture is just one. Just like round one, I give it a 50/50 chance in the Senate and no chance of agreement with the House.
#34 hamous
See DeMint’s quote on hotair.com… he says the obvious:
A vote for cloture is a vote for amnesty. They have the 51 votes, so it’ll pass if it comes to a vote.
Cloture is the only way to stop it.
I am sorry Squawk
36 emmek
Aw, he needed something to do anyway.
It won’t happen ever, I should of trusted my inner voice.
#38
Shannon
Ohhhhh no, it is to early for Squawk to work because of me.
creative punishment for an out of control child?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286676,00.html
#41
bweldon
She reminds me of Judge Ted Poe turned Rep.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n38_v14/ai_21224326
#35 - Wino, if none of the amendments pass, I agree with that. I still don’t see it getting through the House.
#42, emme if we had more conservatives like Ted Poe in Congress and in Austin we would not have half the problems and issues that we do today…
I just read yesterdays thread of Bush legacy and why.
For those of you that get it great. Those that dont will..soon enough.
It hasnt a thing to do with legacy. Atleast not the legacy of a uS president.
Why would a man try as hard as he can to commit what most consider national suicide?
Wino #29
Yepper.
#43
Why will it not pass the House all it takes is a simple majority?
A great answer to a dumb question!!!!
Katie Couric, while interviewing a Marine sniper, sked:
“What do you feel when you shoot a errorist?”
The Marine shrugged and replied,
“A slight recoil.”
OOOps Terrorist
NHT - I think there are enough Democrats that think its too tough on illegals or will hurt their precious Unions and enough Republicans who see it for the amnesty it is so that there will not be a simple majority in favor of passage.
Another state says no to the unREAL ID Act.
http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2007-06-13-0013.html
Nice!
Another bad sign for the amnesty bill:
These are two republicans that were strongly supporting it but have changed their minds after listening to the outrage of their constituents.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286705,00.html
per mmdotcom - 10:54am.EST John Cornyn is up. (Rough transcipt) — I’ve argued that the current bill sets up the DHS for failure because it requires them to grant approval of Z visa applications for full travel/work authorization within 24 hours even if background check not complete. Cornyn attacks White House for calling that “mythology.” Cornyn quotes the bill. White House is not telling the truth. “My concern is the gulf between the promise being made to the American people and the likelihood that the prommise will be carried out.” Why…has nothing been done about 600,000-plus absconders already? Can they build exit system? Can they process 12 million applicants? Can they detain those caught on the border?
I am hoping but my gut instinct just don’t feel like it will be defeated.
Only seven Pubbies supported it two weeks ago. Two of those have jumped ship. Does anybody know of any public statements from Republican Senators who are now supporting it?
Those mexican drug runners are always thinkng of new methods of getting the product to market. They are also using the new methods to run from BP. They are like little ants building their mounds before the rain.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070621-1208-bn21drugramp.html
#16 Ham
I thought we set Paris free in 1945.
#55 Hamous
If someone has noted it, I didn’t see it. Has anybody else noticed how quiet McCain and Bush have been on Immigration the last two weeks ? Mc Cain because his ratings were falling like a rock and Bush because everytime he opened his mouth he caused a huge backlash.
One thing I’m unclear on. Suppose this vote for cloture passes. As I understand it this cloture vote is to send it to the full Senate for debate. Couldn’t the bill then be filibustered and require 60 votes to kill the filibuster?
Bush Calls Immigration Bill “Amnesty”
“You know, I’ve heard all the rhetoric — you’ve heard it, too — about how this is amnesty. Amnesty means that you’ve got to pay a price for having been here illegally, and this bill does that,” Bush said, according to the official White House transcript.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/06/bush-calls-immi.html
hamous #59:
If we cannot get enough votes to stop cloture how can we get 60 votes for a filibuster?
Malkin is live-blogging the roll call vote on cloture from the floor.
64-35 Cloture Passes.
The bill has achieved cloture…
63 texpat yes i saw the vote it is a shame.
lets see i voted republican because of because of because of - ah oh maybe their platform - ah no they dont follow a platform ah ah ah - just why again do i vote republican? gee i forgot!!
Immigration Reform bill to proceed just passed the senate.
250,000 forclosures are in the process of happening. a friend of mine in high meadow ranch said his appraisal went doown 80,000 this year.
what will the schools and county do when the forclosures take hold and appraisals come down significantly - like real estate values could come down 20% or more in the next year and a half.
i guess they will do what the bums do and beg on the street corner.
#66 More debate on the issue at 2:15 PM
Ensign voted for cloture on the amnesty bill, his responsibility is getting Pubbies re-elected, he controls Senate money for that.
NOT WITH MY MONEY
Is this the Republican Party?
If so. it is not my Party.
per mm:
The 17 ship-jumpers who went from anti-shamnesty to pro-shamnesty:
Dems Bingaman, Boxer, Webb
Repubs Bennett, Bond, Burr, Coleman, Collins, Domenici, Ensign, Gregg, Lott, McConnell, Murkowski, Snowe, Stevens, Warner
One switcher from pro-amnesty to anti-amnesty: Stabenow (D)
One fence-sitter to pro-amnesty: Brownback (R)
Three fence-sitters to anti-amnesty: Barrasso (newly sworn in), Coburn, Enzi
Nat,
if there is a filibuster, there needs to be 60 votes to end the filibuster. Now if we can keep the republicans together then there will not be the 60 needed to end it.
Nat, it hasn’t been your party for quite some time now. Trust me when I tell you I feel your pain.
This is now out in paperback, “The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution”. It has received some great reviews and I intend to order it. The author is not only an attorney, but also a very respected historian with a PhD in that field.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596985054?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwviolentkicom&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1596985054
well the democrats have won! lets vote for them so they get full credit on the impending depression. this congress both parties and bothe houses have let the corpoate special interests take over our government (mcain fiengold).
by voting the democrats in office we as conservatives will be in control for many years. a republican was elected president in 1952 after the great depression in the late 1920’s.
if our great demoghrapher from texas harry dent is correct in the timing of this depression coming up in 2009 - 2011 timeframe the republicans would be in control for many yeara.
i am old enough to remember this country in the 1950’s and it was much more conservative back then than we would recognize now. what a shame it has turned out to be our great USA - indeed!
#72 - It is still our party, we just need to take it back the reins and kick them out. As Kennebush was fond of saying: “You are either for us or against us.” It’s clear that he is against us on this. He can’t run again but we can sure excommunicate his like-minded buddies om the primaries. And we better start making noise now before Jimmy Dick gets too comfortable with the idea of running for higher office.
Take a short break from the poly-ticks:
Since I’m originally from Arkansas I get a pass on this:
A guy from Arkansas passed away and left his entire estate to his beloved widow, but she can’t touch it till she’s 14.
How do you know when you’re staying in an Arkansas hotel? When you call the front desk and say, “I got a leak in my sink,” and the clerk replies, “Go ahead.”
How can you tell if an Arkansas redneck is married? There’s dried tobacco juice on both sides of his pickup truck.
Did you hear that they have raised the minimum drinking age in Arkansas to 32? It seems they want to keep alcohol out of the high schools.
What do they call reruns of “Hee Haw” in Arkansas .Documentaries.
An Arkansas State trooper pulls over a pickup on I-30 and says to the driver, “Got any I. D.?” and the driver replies ” ‘Bout wut?”
Did you hear about the $3 million Arkansas State Lottery? The winner gets $3.00 a year for a million years.
The governor’s mansion in Arkansas burned down! Yep. Pert’ near took out the whole trailer park. The library was a total loss too. Both books –poof! up in flames, and he hadn’t even finished coloring one of them.
A new law was recently passed in Arkansas .. When a couple gets divorced, they are STILL cousins.
A guy walks into a bar in Arkansas and orders a mudslide. The bartender looks at the man and says, “You ain’t from ’round here, are ya? “No,” replies the man, “I’m from Pennsylvania.” The bartender looks at him and says, “Well, what do you do in Pennsylvania?” “I’m a taxidermist,” said the man. The bartender, looking very bewildered now asks, “What in the world is a tax-e-derm-ist?” The man says, “I mount animals.” The bartender stands back and hollers to the whole bar… “It’s okay boys, he’s one of us!”
That would be in the primaries.
/remember your home key is J
lou dobbs says we should register to vote as independant. he also thought it was ironic that paris hilton spent more time in jail than an illegal allien. he was truly funny at the press club.
Texas doesn’t register party affiliation.
#75 Hamous
I agree with you. My disgust and anger lies in knowing other conservatives won’t be so forward-thinking or patient. This is going to cost conservatism dearly and where we will feel it the most is in the judiciary. Just remember every time a terrible ruling is unleashed from the bench, it is almost always the legacy of Carter or Clinton.
The SCOTUS issued three 5 to 4 rulings this week which favored conservative philosophy. The only reason we got those is because GWB appointed Roberts and Alito. There are several leftist judges who should be retiring now, but they are waiting in hopes a Democrat will be elected in ‘08. When these presidents and senators are long gone from DC, the most abiding and persistent legacy they leave are the judges they get on the bench.
79 i am a regisered repulican in waller county.
OK, I gotta weigh in on this.
DJ25, pull out your voters registration card.
Examine it carefully. I challenge you to find republican anywhere on it.
In fact you can only vote in one party’s primary. They stamp your card when you vote.
My Dad would sometimes vote in the democrat primary just to get a candidate selected who had no chance of winning in the election.
82 mark ok i look at the card and no there was no party affiliation on it. but i voted in the republican primary.
no my card was not stamped - but hey i voted in hemstead early voting.
Forward thinking patience got me a President who believes in amnesty and sending money to Fatah. No thanks.
Not saying I don’t believe in any Republicans. I’m just saying the predominant mentality in the party is anything but conservative lately. Credit is due Cornyn and Hutchison. I’ll take it for what it’s worth.
I’ve always heard the phrase, “card carrying Republican”, so I would imagine if there was such thing as registered single party voters in this state, they would be issued cards identifying them as such. No? Dad voted strraight ticket Republican always, and he didn’t have a card.
Whoohoo I feel vindicated in a bad sort of way.
I see a whole bunch of “You gotta vote republican” screamers changing their tune to ‘OMG what have I done?” I hate to say I told you so…
BUT
I told you so.
OH! and one more dig
I am also seeing a bunch of “Who has time” denyers posting about the phone calls, faxes, and emails they have sent.
The truth of my mantra does not ring so hollow.
The days of elect and forget are gone.
OBVIOUS MOMENT OF GLOATING IS NOW FINISHED.
You may return to your rat killing.
#86 Dude
It was not forward thinking that got us George Bush. It was, in fact, that he was most electable and, unfortunately, in a democracy we often have to roll the dice in that way. I voted for Bush fully aware of his position on immigration, as I have written here before. I just hoped and prayed he wouldn’t do what he has done. As much as you and others want to believe third parties are a viable alternative in an American democratic republic, they never have been and never will be. If I thought a third party had a chance in hell, I would drop everything I am doing to help create it.
My philosophy is if you can keep a president, or any other politician, from doing too much damage, cut taxes a little and at least get some decent judges, you’ve already accomplished alot. I invest very little personally in candidates and distrust them explicitly. My expectations are lower than most folks.
If anyone has a credible, realistic plan for creating a truly functioning third party with the numbers and organization to be contenders in national elections, I’d love to see it.
here is a list of the culprits
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/senateaction0507.html
#85
dj25k
Mine was stamped and I vote early almost all the time. It seems a little strange that it wasn’t stamped.
OR:
If anyone has a credible, realistic plan for electing a truly conservative Republican with the numbers and organization to be contenders in national or local elections, I’d love to see it.
The only time we are remotely safe is when congress is in recess.
dowjones25k, lives in waller county and doesn’t live in waller county, he is a registered Republican and voted in the Waller primary and they did not stamp his card because he voted in Hempstead where they do and do not give tax exemption for being over 65.
dowjones25k is a man for all seasons.
#94
Very good, Nat.
My Austin County grandmother always told me, when I was a teenager, to stay out of Waller County and, particularly, Hempstead. She said if they didn’t like you over there, the sheriff would make you disappear.
That was good Nat. It cuts right to the chase with respect to why I haven’t and/or wouldn’t hesitate to vote third party. You can say that a third party doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell and be correct. You can also say what Nat said in #94 and be correct. One should never hesitate to vote for someone rather than against someone regardless of the prevailing wisdom of the viability of a third party.
nat i do live in waller county did recieve a over 65 exemption but it is not as large as harris county gives. i did vote early in hempstead and they did not stam my card. they said all i needed was a electric bill to vote!
and nat right now i am in the pi$$ed off season!
Sixshooter Junction
The old priest lay dying in the hospital. For years he had faithfully served the people of the nation’s capital. He motioned for his nurse to come near.
“Yes, Father?” asked the nurse.
“I would really like to see Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton before I die,” whispered the priest.
“I’ll see what I can do, Father” replied the nurse.
The nurse sent the request to the Senate and waited for a response. Soon the word arrived. Kennedy and Clinton would be delighted to visit the priest.
As they went to the hospital, Clinton commented to Kennedy “I don’t know why the old priest wants to see us, but it will certainly help our images.”
Kennedy couldn’t help but agree.
When they arrived at the priest’s room, the priest took Kennedy’s hand in his right hand and Clinton’s hand in his left. There was silence and a look of serenity on the old priest’s face.
Finally Senator Kennedy spoke. “Father, of all the people you could have chosen, why did you choose us to be with you as you near the end?”
The old priest slowly replied “I have always tried to pattern my life after our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
“Amen” said Kennedy.
“Amen” said Clinton.
The old priest continued…”He died between two lying thieves. I would like to do the same.”
Nat Pierce
It is quite simple really and now is the time to do it.
YOU DEMAND IT
You contact EVERY conservative organization from your local Republican chair throught the local Republican Party right up through the National Level. You contact every “candidate” out there and tell them what you want.
Do not settle for second best. The politicians we elect will rise only to the level we demand. Not to mention that they will also turn us into there personal little serfs. But that is for another discussion.
Here’s a “Must read” list for all of you LST’ers:
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by Jacques Chirac
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MY CHRISTIAN ACCOMPLISHMENTS &
HOW I HELPED AFTER KATRINA
by Rev Jesse Jackson & Rev Al Sharpton
_______________________________________
THINGS I LOVE ABOUT BILL
by Hillary Clinton
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BY THE MODERATOR.
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ALL THE MEN I HAVE LOVED BEFORE
by Ellen de Generes & Rosie O’Donnel
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HOW TO DRINK & DRIVE OVER BRIDGES
by Ted Kennedy
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by Bill Clinton
with introduction by The Rev. Jesse Jackson
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BTW Texpat, I didn’t vote for GWB in an uninformed fashion either. I voted for him because I thought him a better alternative to either Gore or Kerry. That opinion hasn’t changed. For all his flaws, I do consider GWB a better president than either Gore or Kerry would have been. Regardless of that, I still regret not exploring the third party options more thoroughly. I basically made the mistake of voting against someone rather than for someone. If the consequence of voting for someone is getting a Democrat in office, I find that consequence no less tolerable than having a liberal Republican has turned out to be.
Just received a donation request from the RNC marked “Past Due”. Think i’ll send it back with a list of items I think are past due from them.
I posted this in the other thread but I feel it worthy of a repost here:
Here’s a perfect example of why we’re going to get amnesty:
Go to http://www.cnn.com, the lead story is wrestler Chris Benoit killing himself and his family.
Go to http://www.msnbc.com, the lead story is the number of people hitting the road for the 4th of July weekend.
Go to http://www.foxnews.com, the lead story is Benoit, and another feature story on a woman who was a sex slave.
Only Drudge is reporting today’s vote as the biggest news in our nation.
The media and the government and big business have been brainwashing Americans for years and they’re done a fine job. Now they can get anything they want.
But here is what I see happening. Everyone is all ticked off now and “really” letting there reps know how they feel. The dialog between the voters and our elected politicians is actually expanding right now, believe it or not.
What will happen no matter what is the American’s will stop talking to there representatives as soon as this is all “settled”.
This dialog must be kept going.
Hamous, with cloture, I belive philibuster is not allowed. Abreviated speeches are allowed for the ammendments, then a vote. When this passes, the house gets it and they control spending. They are able to buy votes. They also can delete all the nice ammendments our ego driven senators added. I’m just about ready to bet we have an amnesty bill within the next two weeks. Goodbye America. I don’t have a link, but heard on talk radio today that a huge banner was erected at the soccer finals in Chicago. It read Soldiers Field Mexico.
Senator Cornyn on Hannity, “my constituents hate this bill”.
#108 Squawk
Yep, great point. People who never would have even thought of calling their representative for anything are picking up the phone. So maybe a “revolution” is beginning.
I am hopeing #111 headshaker and #108 Sqwauk that our country is awake. With you bloggers and talk radio, we are at the least, informed. Of course, ” The fairness doctrine” is looming.
Shakey
#111
I hope so.
As much as I agree with you, I think you’re cursing human nature. As a hypothetical analogy, consider how you would relate to your boss at work. Would you speak with your boss more passionately and more often about your job performance or about the mandatory (yet forgettable) ISO meeting last week? People come unglued at the things they perceive will affect them the most.
Squawk, Shakey, AM Woman,
The sad thing is that it takes this horrible amnesty bill for the general public to get energized to do something. If half of the people who are outraged about this bill got involved in local politics for only 1 hour a month things would be that much better.
G’Day up there! Have I missed out on anything?
#104
malcolm
So Hillary wrote that one page book? :)))
bweldon
It takes what it takes…..I hope it sticks.
115 bweldon my wife has taught for over 30 years. you cant get parents interested in their own child let alone an amnesty bill. it will take a depression to solve this where everyone has no choice but to work togeter.
There is no party affiliation tie-in with voter registration in Texas. Here’s the form:
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/vr17.pdf
The only time party affiliation comes into play is in the primaries. You can only vote on one party’s primary but anyone can vote in any party’s primary. That’s why they stamp your card “Voted in Republican (or Democratic) Primary”.
http://kprcradio.com/cc-common/streaming_new/index.html
Hannity has been interviewing Senators who voted for cloture.
It seems that some Senators want the debate to put a spotlight on the bad parts, such as amnesty, so that they can pick up the 39 votes they need to kill it on Thursday.
We will see.
Keep those Faxes and Emails going. It aint over till the fat…um …man sings.
DJ25k,
I bet the parents that your wife has met over the years are for the most part the ones whose children have not been the poor performers.
I know what you are talking about, my wife is also a teacher.
The Dude
I am actually pointing out human nature not cursing it.
And by what our founders established the gubment is not my boss. I am theirs. And having been the boss at various times during working career I believe in the old adage of “my way or the highway” divided by “there are people standing in line for your job” whenever I needed to play those cards.
“WE THE PEOPLE” have abdicated our duties to monitor our elected officials.
#114 Dude, Will add to that - People become unglued when they believe they have become forced to be placed in a powerless situation. (And almost always they are more angry at themselves than anyone else for allowing it.)
Shakey got me curious, so I looked at the following websites for Senate Immigration Bill headlines:
Google News - Middle of the Page
Yahoo News - Top of the Page
Headline - Top Of The Page or Top Breaking News:
Houston Chronicle
New York Times
LA Times
Miami Herald
Chicago Tribune
Absolutely No Mention At All On Front Page:
Dallas Morning News
Boston Globe
San Diego Union
Go figure ! The American people are more fired up, passionate and engaged on this subject than anything in a long time. And the MSM wonder why people are so hostile or, at best, indifferent to them.
#116 Sunny: Not a whole lot: Just that our Senate has voted cloture to give amnesty to illegals, Emmek’s AC is on the fritz, Butch is back from vacation, Rastus doen’t like Pat Gray, Paris Hilton is free at last, EmmeK got deleted and then appologized to Squawk, Dude feels our pain in #72, Shaker told a joke and gave us reasons that we’re going to get amnesty, I told one too, American woman told us that the fairness doctrine is looming, and a few other things. Other than that, not much going on. Do you have something to add to the mix?
#124 Elizabeth you are so right. Well said!
Well, this is interesting. Now Irak needs to clean up their police force. The Army is doing well,but there are not enough of them trained and equiped thus far.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,140338,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl
And this from Michael Yon:
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/drilling-for-justice.htm
God keep him!
#125 Malcolm…not really. I spent an uneventful night while I was sleeping. Granting amensty doesn’t solve the problem, does it? It’s a bandaid and bandaids notoriously fall off at the most inopportune time.
We’re having a chilly start to the day down this way…but that is to be expected…after all it is winter. (Sorry, Gore-gonzola…you can’t blame it on Global-Whoring).
Other than that, I have little to add to the mix at this point in time…but I’m working on it!
#125, malcolm
you forgot that the murders of at least 3 women have been in the news, and the motives range from diamonds, to unwanted children. There was an apparent steroid murder suicide involving a professional wrestler, and the trail park are now draped in black because of it. Nicole Richie denies being pregnant, and jimb just found out
Who is Ian McKellan?
Hamous,
He played Gandalf in Lord of the Rings, and Magneto in the X men movies….
122 bweldon my wife has taught low performers - like special ed and ab in klein ISD and now part time in waller ISD. she had pregnant girls in the 8 th grade at klein. here in waller they provide free nurseries for students with children.
the real problem she thinks about education is the way the mandates come down from the feds and the state plus the lawsuit mentality the districts have adopted.
she could not even get parents to sign an assignment folder she would send home each night for them to do their homework. my wife was pretty sharp she graduate with a masters at 21 and retired at 51.