Senate roll call is continuing even as we speak, but there are already enough NO votes to avoid cloture.
You have been heard.
More to come…
UPDATE
Yes - 46
No - 53
I wonder what Flim Flam Graham will do in retirement.
And GW will have some free time on his hands since he won’t see us at the bill signing after all.
More to come.
UPDATE
WASHINGTON - The Senate drove a stake Thursday through President Bush’s plan to legalize millions of unlawful immigrants, likely postponing major action on immigration until after the 2008 elections.
The bill’s supporters fell 14 votes short of the 60 needed to limit debate and clear the way for final passage of the legislation, which critics assailed as offering amnesty to illegal immigrants. The vote was 46 to 53 in favor of limiting the debate.
Senators in both parties said the issue is so volatile that Congress is highly unlikely to revisit it this fall or next year, when the presidential election will increasingly dominate American politics.
UPDATE
Here are the votes. Even minority leader McConnell saw the light and voted no. Of course, Flim Flam Graham, Trent Lott and McCain still voted for amnesty. Twelve Republicans voted against the American people by voting Yea; 14 Dems, including Robert Byrd and new Virginia Senator Jim Webb, joined the remainder of the Republicans in stopping this runaway train.
Jeff Sessions is a bona fide hero. (During debate this morning, Sessions told his colleagues if they didn’t believe America was against this plan, they should go to their office’s front desk and answer the phones for a while! The Senate switchboard, he said, was shut down by the flood of calls this morning.)
YEAs —46
Akaka (D-HI)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Schumer (D-NY)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
NAYs —53
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Brown (D-OH)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Landrieu (D-LA)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Not Voting - 1
Johnson (D-SD)
(Author’s note: For a few minutes, the wrong roll call was posted here. I apologize for the confusion.)
QUOTE OF THE MORNING:
“This immigration bill has become a war between the American people and their government. … This vote today is really not about immigration, it’s about whether we’re going to listen to the American people.”
- Sen Jim DeMint, R-SC (the “other” senator from South Carolina).
Runner Up:
“The American people did the job Lindsey Graham wouldn’t do.”
- Rush Limbaugh
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Thank you Lord for saving AMERICA from lawbreaking ILLEGAL aliens. This is greatest news this year. Politicians beware, come the next election.
This is great for now, but what’s coming down the line? It could be even worse.
Term Limits NOW! This should be a non issue, but these guys are so entrenched that they think they can do as they please. Their arrogance over this issue has shown them for what they are, beholded to everyone except the electorate. I heard Arlen Sphynchter’s comments and was livid. Term limits NOW!!!
wow some dumbo’s defected!
Very nice. RickG - could you provide the link source for the Update quote you used in the posting?
What’s coming down the line?
THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE.
This does indicate that ordinary citizens can have an effect on the process if we get loud enough.
Term Limits NOW! (????)
Term limit them by voting them out. Term limits are nothing more than the abdication of power that “WE THE PEOPLE” posses via the Constitution. It becomes yet another excuse not to pay attention.
If term limits became law, we lose the benefit of the “good” politicians. There are some.
Term limits = throwing baby out with the bath water.
YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
5 raiderdav
Here it is:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070628/ap_on_go_pr_wh/congress_immigration
Sorry, in my haste to get this story up ASAP, I neglected the link.
YES!!!,…This shows to go Ya, that you can wake up the sleeping giant some of the time. You can bet that they’d have rammed this through if not for the phone/Fax lines melting.
BTW the two Senators from my home state of Alabama, Sessions & Shelby and my adopted state, (Kay Baby & Cornyn) were on the right side of this issue.
“throwing baby out with the bath water.”
It’s one ugly assed baby!
If it’s good enough for the President isn’t it good enough for them too? There is no reason why someone can get elected and stay there for life.
“If term limits became law, we lose the benefit of the “good” politicians.”
But we have to suffer the whims of the other 95%???
These guys and gals need to go once they become like an engorged tick. Two terms as House member then two as Senator then adios…. Why stay for 45 years?
Perhaps it is time to send a few emails thanking those that voted to kill this ILLEGAL AMNESTY BILL.
This shows how arrogant and selfish they have become.
Term limit them out. There’s an limit on how long you can be an FBI Agent and service members are given their walking papers after they can’t move up in rank, why not for elected officials?
All politicians eventually become dirty. But I do agree with you about the term limits in that respect. What we need is a national fine for not voting. 85% of the French voted in their election while 45% of Americans voted in our last election. Jesse Ventura is an example - all be it maybe no the perfect example - of what happens when John Q. Public turns out to vote. If Americans turned out to vote then we would get the changes we need but term limits sort of does the same thing just less compassionately.
Power corrupts, period.
When someone gets power, it’s not a question of will the abuse it, it’s a question of to what extent will they abuse it.
I say no to mandatory voting. The losers that don’t care don’t deserve the franchise.
No time to rest, talk radio & internet blogs are next. It is time for English only schools, time to shut down those who provide shelter to illegals such as Casa Juan Diego in Houston, time to deny welfare, time to clean up our street corners from day laborers. Now it is time to turn your attention to our state and local officials and demand they enforce our current laws.
Organize now, they expect you to now return to your sleep mode and they will strike again if you do.
The picture in the Yahoo story has Lindsey (Goober) Graham, Arlen Specter and Jon Kyl right there with two communists, Kennedy and Feinstein. I do hope that the voters remember the dozen or so rhino’s that are in the 43 Yea list.
Here’s to you America… and may the passion that this issue ignited spill over into other issues. The “Fairness Doctrine” is on my list.
#9 WELL SAID !!!
#11 Haveing a banjo on my knee,Im also proud of all 4 of my senators. !
As I have previously stated a few weeks ago, LET’S NOT GET COMPLACENT - they (politicians) are so sneaky (they are lawyers), they could pull the rug from under of us if we are not careful.
Thank goodness for talk radio and blogs. Our next task is talk radio.
KEEP ON KEEPIN’ ON!
Wulp “We won this one”
Here is what happens next to the electorate.
Squawk and Faster, I’ve always thought that term limits weren’t the answer, but now I just don’t know. The problem is that everyone thinks that THEIR guy is good and wants the other folks to vote out all the rest. It just can’t happen. At least not until we can get more good people to get out and vote. The Dim-bulbs and the Rhinos know this and that is why the only thing that stopped this bill was the melted phone lines.
I’m not sure term limits is the answer but neither do I have a better solution other than a much more envolved electorate one that actually pays attention and makes their rep.s and senators live up to their promises, platform positions etc.
Dave D
With all due respect I stand behind my #8 and #23.
It is because we all believe who we think is good and bad that we SHOULD NOT have term limits. Maybe I am wrong in your intent but what your reasoning suggest to me is legisaltion that protects us from ourselves.
We have just witnessed a month or two of public outrage. I am suggesting that the dialog that has been established continue. We fear the politicians more than they fear us. That is unacceptable.
I am in no way suggesting we maintain this level of public outrage, but I am suggesting that the dialog now expand to other areas as taxes, spending etc.
I have heard the argument about term limits from the same people who fear “not voting for” an incumbent that needs to be voted out for fear of getting Democrats. That cracks me up.
Now back to the subject.
I am sending my thanks to those who did the right thing and my nyahhh nyahhh nyahhh to those to who don’t.
Are y’all? We need to give thanks to those who did the right thing.
As I have siad before and will again….
The days of elect and forget are over.
Term limits is one answer, but the right one? I dunno, but look at the messy crap we have now… An oak tree and some rope wouldn’t be bad either. This should not have been brought forward by “our” party. We are better than this as a country and I believe these guys and gals get into DC and become slaves to the power and the influence. Don’t let them stay long enough to get hooked. Move up or move out. Why do they get retirement packages? Should they? It’s because they get there and realize they have the power to take care of themselves and do so.
Ole Wobble-Noggin is dead on right in post #16
“When someone gets power, it’s not a question of will the abuse it, it’s a question of to what extent will they abuse it.”
I am for term limits because it is very hard for anyone to win in the primary against an incumbent. The party is usually behind the incumbent and funds he/she heavily. Unfortunately it usually comes down to who has the most funds available to get the word out, especially for a national seat.
Just think, with term limits there’d be no more Teddy-where’s-my-pants Kennedy.
And no more Dan Patricks (should he decide to go long term)
#26 Squawk, I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I said; “I’ve always thought that term limits weren’t the answer, but now I just don’t know.” I haven’t decided what needs to be done, I was just complaining about how a lot of people think that their Senator is good and will not rock the boat. That said, if SC returns Goober Graham to office I guess that they deservve him, even if we don’t.
And that is why the party must be taken back from the “decision makers”.
My gosh look at how the demoratic party follows their base.
Dave D
I see what you mean, now.
My bad
The term limit debate always has me switching sides.
I am now of the opinion that we need term limits of some kind….if only to prevent anyone from making it a career with a nice pension.
We needed it for FDR and we need it now in the U.S. Senate and Congress.
Three things will save this country IMHO:
Securing the border.
A better taxing system (flat tax or consumption tax.. both are better than what is in place now)
And Term Limits.
A fourth would be to elect me to Benevolent Leader for life, but that grass roots thing I tried didn’t pan out so well….
Here’s to you voting America! Your voice has finally been heard. Praise God that even a number of Dems were smart enough to see the handwriting on the wall. Now go out and thank those that finaly came to their senses. As far as term limits eliminating the good with the bad, baloney! The good can be elected to virtually any office they want as long as they have demonstrated they really represent their constituents. A big part of our problem is those many people that shun the opportunity to vote that thousands have died to protect.
If it is good enough for the President,
it is good enough for the Houses.
………..TERM LIMITS…………..
Professional politician is a European concept.
Be American get a day job.
………..TERM LIMITS…………..
This applies to the Houses also.
#26 Squawk, I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I said; “I’ve always thought that term limits weren’t the answer, but now I just don’t know.” I haven’t decided what needs to be done, I was just complaining about how a lot of people think that their Senator is good and will not rock the boat. That said, if SC returns Goober Graham to office I guess that they deserve him, even if we don’t.
Dave D
See my #34
I know.
You are correct what is coming next will be less palatable. If something isn’t done about the illegals it come to an armed conflict over what will be the spark I have no idea. Just as Germany is getting feed up with this kind of BS from the Turks so will America and then watch out. patron boosh along with the rinos and the demodys will be back as the home builders need these illegals to make a huge profit and the politicians need the contributions for buying political office. What is amazing is why no one has made the connection between political contributions and illegal drug importation. Cities like Rio Grande City with no industry but million dollar homes - no Einstein needed to figure that out. Why do the border politicians fight so hard for the continued illegal entry is it to cover up the importation of drugs for continued political contributions?
Politicians and diapers should be changed often, and for the same reason.
Fasternu 426
Three things will save this country IMHO:
Securing the border.
A better taxing system (flat tax or consumption tax.. both are better than what is in place now)
And Term Limits.
My thoughts exactly. The tax situation is a shambles and where one person pay too much another skirts the payment. A consumption tax would be fair to all and probably raise more than the system today does without breaking some people.
And as much as I would like to see Dan in office a long time we need term limits to stop things like the Kennedy Dynasty. Now we need to send Thank You cards to our two Senators who voted Nay.
At another blog we were discussing flowers and I don’t like KBH personally however she is going to get some Red, White and Blue Carnations from this voter.
Now we need to stand firm and in November of 08 vote the bums (not all of them are bums) out of office and replace them with new blood. We might even take the GOP back.
Term limits, absolutely but lets be more aware. When a person runs they have to tell us their net worth,etc. When they run again they do this once again. If their is a market increase in net worth, then they serve to accrue wealth. They don’t get re-elected. I want people with a passion for this country who want to serve, not get rich. We all laugh at ” there is no such thing as a poor politician”. There need to be politicians who are average income people.
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Where is unhyphenated-American? We need his strong presence and intellectual prowess now more than ever… for me to DELETED!!!! Bwaahaaahahahahahah!
I don’t know if I agree with term limits or not. One thing for sure, there needs to be a way to remove people that, in my opinion, are murders, and or have done nothing to improve the state of the Nation. Their only goal seems to be the position of their political party and their position within it. I listen to their rhetoric and sometimes wonder how a sober individual can reach such conclusions.
The “Fairness Doctrine” will be the next battle. Congress apparently needs a way to silence the only means for the people to know whats going on behind the scenes in Washington. If not for “talk radio” we would have know little or nothing about the “Amnesty” bill that was being sculpted in secrecy behind closed doors. The only recourse for our inept leadership is to squash our right to freedom of speech. Stating that “talk radio” is running America, well, my God I hope so. We certainly can’t trust the majority of morons now in office.
Aside: In posting #49, that should have read “murderers”
To our congress: “Ambition is the last refuge of failure” - Oscar Wilde
heh, heh…and I don’t even know what the rest of the sentence was!!!
I just saw Jeff Sessions, (R Alabama) on Hannity’s show, he’s the real deal! Makes me proud to be born and raised in Alabama! I’ve said it many times, get a few old farmers from Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, or east Texas and put them in charge of the Gov’ment and they would be better than almost all of the stuffed shirts that are in DC.
Dave D
I notice you left Louisiana off the list.
Whyizzat?
Dead, Dead, Dead, But wait They will announce it again.
MONDAY in a secret disguise
#51 ST, How was the trip to the lake? Catch anything? I’ve been out of pocket most of the week but when I checked in, I didn’t see you. I know tedtam got back from Europe, but I’ve not been paying attention.
#53 Sorry Squawk! I’m not real up on Louisiana, being three different states wrapped into one, but I do like most of the people that I’ve met from there. I just don’t like their politics,…;=) It’s kinda like Alabama in the thirties.
DaveD
Haivng followed Louisiana politics both post and pre Katrina trust me the omission is warrented. I am a coonass myself, love the people, but frankly La. politics has not changed since before the days of Huey P. Long.
Although I will say there are some pirogue drivers that I would rather see in Washington than what we have now.
I hate to be off topic,…but, I don’t know about Y’all but I’m just glad that Paris Hilton is out of jail. Damn!!! It is on every show! Of course I’m making it worse by even mentioning it!
I give up!!! Scotty,…Scotty?? What planent is this?!?!