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  1. EricPJohnson on July 10th, 2007 at 7:39 am

    He needs to resign unfortunate as it is with Blanco as Gov, he needs to go

  2. foolme on July 10th, 2007 at 8:16 am

    Take a lesson from Clinton… don’t quite the office, just quit the indiscretions. We’ll find a replacement when your term is up.

  3. SimpleSimon on July 10th, 2007 at 8:18 am

    Eric,

    I do not know the senator, but we (the voters) have got to grow up. We elect less than perfect humans not angels.

    Vittner is not my senator, therefore I have no dog in the fight, but I agree with Owen that a full disclosure and apology should be enough and afterwards…well that is up to the voters. Given some of the past Louisana politicians, this should not be a problem.

    History is littered with less than perfect folks who still became great leaders in spite of (or as as result of) their imperfections.

    i.e.

    Winston Churchill ..Drunkard
    U.S. Grant ..Drunkard
    John F. Kennedy ..Womanizer and adulterer
    Ronald Reagan ..Terrible Actor
    Abrham Lincoln ..long bouts of depression
    Issac Newton ..Active anti-Catholic bigot
    George Washington ..adulterer
    David Crockett ..Drunkard
    James Bowie ..Drunkard and procurer
    Fannin ..Adultereer

    I could go on, but you get the idea.

  4. retire05 on July 10th, 2007 at 8:19 am

    Perhaps Vitter could go into rehab. That seems to be the answer for wayward Dems that the whole party agrees to. Or maybe he could wear a neck brace to the Senate building, demanding sympathy for his sinful ways.
    I can hear the laughter in Baton Rouge now. “Vitter’s going to resign over a HOOKER? Hell, Governor, that was easy.”
    Louisiana has more to worry about than Vitter lining the pockets of some hooker. They better be concerned over the Democrats that are lining their own pockets in Louisiana. I think the by-line in Baton Rouge is “all that Katrina money and so few Democrats”.
    But then, the party of no morals has always expected more from the other side of the aisle.

    What Vitter did affected no one but him and his family. He did not put anyone in harm’s way as has a recently drunk driving son of a Democrat, but perhaps Vitter should adopt the Democratic way of dealing with it “It’s a family matter”.

  5. retire05 on July 10th, 2007 at 8:21 am

    #3
    You forgot one:
    Teddy Kennedy - murderer

  6. EricPJohnson on July 10th, 2007 at 8:24 am

    Simple

    He’s got to go no exceptions - it doesn’t matter who did it when they did it, why they did it - got to go its an office of public trust

    I understand your comments though and its tempting but so was the escort service

  7. vlou on July 10th, 2007 at 8:24 am

    How sad that he had to resort to an escort service (how low can you get) in light of being married and with four children? He may be forgiven by the wife, but it will probably always make her not trust him 100% in the future. Not a good way to live.

  8. DanielJames on July 10th, 2007 at 8:34 am

    Who cares? The man is just tearing off a piece on the side. Its none of our business.

  9. texpat on July 10th, 2007 at 8:34 am

    I would hate for the Louisiana to lose Vitter, but it does clear the decks for Bobby Jindal to go ahead and take the governorship, doesn’t it ?

  10. Owen Courrèges on July 10th, 2007 at 8:38 am

    SimpleSimon,

    Well, one of the commenters on The Times-Picayune’s website sums up my feelings:

    I worked on Capitol Hill for six (6) years. I became disillusioned because of behaviors like this. He is probably just glad this came out three years into his term so he has another solid two years for people to forget about it before his 2010 campaign starts getting warm. If a married man with four children cannot resist his own urges and will lie and cheat his family for something as shallow and temporary as a one night sexual experience with a dirty hooker then when you go to the ballots in 2010 do you think he will be the man you trust to represent you and your neighbors on the Senate floor, in Senate Committee hearings, etc…

    I am a Republican! My commentary isn’t spurred on by party politics, it is the rants of a young man sick and tired of watching substandard people gain favor in the eye of the public and their political party and sit in the chairs that should be held by the selfless, the passionate, the nationalistic in our country. When people like Vitter go to decide whether they deserve the offices they hold do you think he has his best interests or your best interests at heart? Has Vitter had his wife and FOUR children’s best interests at heart? This crap happens so often anymore that we don’t ever break it down for what it really is. I felt this way when Clinton’s crap hit the papers and I feel the same way with Vitter.

    Most of the people you cite just had a vice like liquor. That I easily forgive; it’s not an active betrayal. This is much worse, and it makes it difficult to trust Vitter. This isn’t to say I won’t vote for him in the future (I’ll probably have to, given the choices), but he’ll never inspire, and I’ll always feel like I need to keep a close eye on him. Things can never be the same with Vitter. The best he can do is repair some of the damage by being entirely honest and contrite.

  11. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 8:38 am

    Once Conservatives give up the “we’re holier-than-thou” mantra then it will be easier for Americans to accept their wrongdoings and let them off the hook like they do Liberals.

  12. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 8:42 am

    Hey, it could be worse. At least he wasn’t running a homosexual brothel/massage parlor out of his DC townhouse paid for by the taxpayers. And Barney Frank is an “elder statesman” of the Dems! Just think of it as celebrating diversity.

  13. EricPJohnson on July 10th, 2007 at 8:44 am

    HS

    He’s got to go, I like the guy, my parents adore the guy and contributed heavily to his campaign

    He betrayed his children and his wife

    Bye Bye don’t let the door slam on your zipper on the way out Vitter

  14. Butch on July 10th, 2007 at 8:44 am

    #8DJ - That doesn’t sound like you…..

  15. Fasternu 426 on July 10th, 2007 at 8:45 am

    We as conservatives tend to expect more from our representatives. Maybe that’s why the Dhimmis run their ‘A’ team and we get the bench warmers. Before anyone says anything about casting stones, he has inserted himself into the public arena and therefore his personal life IS fair game, especially to those that cast a vote for him. Could he be a security risk? You bet! Now, I’m not perfect, nor do I pretend to be. But I’m not running for office. If I did, I’d have to come clean about stuff I may be responsible for. When confronted with it, he lied. Build a thousand bridges but tell one good lie and you’ll not be remembered as a bridge builder, but a liar.

    The losers in this is are not the voters, but the wife that trusted him and children that call him daddy.

  16. Owen Courrèges on July 10th, 2007 at 8:47 am

    headshakers,

    This isn’t about being “holier-than-thou.” It’s just about being honest and settling a good example. There are plenty of men out there who are smart, good leaders, and don’t cheat on their spouses and then lie about it. We need more guys like that; men we can trust — in both parties.

  17. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 8:50 am

    Once Conservatives give up the “we’re holier-than-thou” mantra…

    That’s bogus. That “mantra” is a figment of your and liberal’s imagination, but I repeat myself. You seem to think that because Republicans are generally more religious that somehow they are without sin and should be held to a higher standard.

    Personally, if Vitter was my Senator, he would not receive my vote again. Louisiana politics are strange so it will be interesting to see what his constituents do.

  18. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 8:57 am

    #17 Hamous

    You’re kidding, right? Oh, I forgot, you live in HammyWorld, that explains it.

  19. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 9:04 am

    Owen, I’m glad (seriously) that you posted this story here; it’s still amazing to see how some people just continue to attack Dems in response though, then wonder why Republicans are getting hammered in elections.

    Stop obsessing on what Dems do; if you worried more about what Republicans have been doing the last few years you wouldn’t be crying about the state of the GOP.

  20. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 9:06 am

    #18 - You sit around ready to pounce on any salacious story about Republicans just so you can indict ALL Christians as hypocrites. When asked why you don’t express the same level of outrage towards Democrats you respond, “I expect it from Democrats”. Then you have the cojones to accuse others of double standards??? Please. It is you who needs to climb down off the high horse.

  21. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 9:10 am

    #20 Ham

    Did I not call out the Dems last week after Bush commuted Libby’s sentence? You even made a comment about it.

    You got no case. I’m an Equal Opportunity Offender!

  22. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 9:16 am

    You even made a comment about it.

    Because it was so out of character for you. I think one of the other comments was:

    Who are you and what have you done with Headshaker?

  23. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 9:19 am

    #22

    I’m a changed man!

  24. Owen Courrèges on July 10th, 2007 at 9:23 am

    headshaker,

    I’ve got time enough to condemn both sides when they go awry. The Democrats just seem to provide more material, IMO.

  25. DanielJames on July 10th, 2007 at 9:24 am

    Butch

    It was tongue and cheek. I am just sick of it all.

  26. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 9:26 am

    #24 Owen

    Not in the last 3 years. Should we make a list?

    Let’s start with DeLay, then Foley, then Libby. I don’t have time today to list all the Republican scandals in recent memory.

  27. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 9:31 am

    #26 You’re backsliding ;-)

  28. Owen Courrèges on July 10th, 2007 at 9:38 am

    headshaker,

    Oh, I commented on DeLay, but only to say I thought the charges were bogus. Nothing DeLay did was illegal, and indeed the Democrats had used the same campaign finance loophole that was claimed to be “money laundering” by Ronnie Earle.

    The same applies to Libby; he shouldn’t have lied to investigators, and indeed he didn’t need to, as the investigation itself was improper. There was no way to convict under the statute, since Valarie Plame was not “covert” under the law (I’m not sure, but I believe I posted on this). Accordingly, I would have been hesitant to convict, and certainly wouldn’t have given him a 2.5 year sentence. Commutation was in order.

    I didn’t comment on Foley, but I believe other posters got to that one first. In any case, I’ve skipped over some Democratic scandals as well (I resisted the urge to post on Al Gore III’s latest indiscretion, for example). Whether I post on something results from a combination of time and interest.

  29. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 9:49 am

    Sandy Berger
    James McGreevey
    Patrick Kennedy
    William Jefferson
    Alan Mollohan

  30. dcgirl on July 10th, 2007 at 10:36 am

    Eric

    He betrayed his children and his wife

    So his wife and children don’t have to vote for him. Like DJ and SS said - it’s really none of our business and no one is perfect. He didn’t lie under oath which is what Clinton got in trouble for, not the sex. And other officials have committed CRIMES, not indiscretions (Berger, Kennedy, Jefferson, etc.)

    I would like for EPJ to show us a candidate who is perfect so that we can vote for him/her. After all, most normal people wouldn’t want to run for public office with all the pokes that people find to take at you.

  31. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 10:44 am

    #30 So it’s OK for Vitter to solicit prostitutes and it’s none of our business (probably on government time and using government funds, I can’t wait for that to come out), but Clinton lying about a BJ is?

    Interesting™

  32. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 10:47 am

    Once Conservatives give up the “we’re holier-than-thou” mantra then it will be easier for Americans to accept their wrongdoings and let them off the hook like they do Liberals.

    WRONG….. We should never let the off the hook like the liberals do. We should always demand accountability or we will be no better off, and will have more and worse liars, frauds, and thieves in these positions of power. Is that what you want, a whole congress of Huey P. Long?

    you tell me

  33. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 10:48 am

    Clinton lied about Big Jolly???

  34. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 10:49 am

    #32 bw

    So you’re admitting that Conservatives do hold themselves to higher standards? I agree.

    Just don’t complain about the situation when Conservatives do something wrong and are forced to resign or take a harsher punishment.

    You can’t have it both ways, that’s all.

  35. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 10:50 am

    #33 Hamjolly

    LOL, now you’re going to make me use that terminology!

    “Honey, can I have a big jolly? Please!!!”

    LMAO!

  36. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 10:52 am

    #30 So it’s OK for Vitter to solicit prostitutes and it’s none of our business (probably on government time and using government funds, I can’t wait for that to come out), but Clinton lying about a BJ is?

    No neither one is acceptable, however if there is full disclosure, (which clinton never did), and no criminal charges filed, then he will face his jury when he runs for office again.

    It again comes down to this

    Clinton- lied about his actions, and obstructed the investigation into them. He also had willing partners in this obstruction, the liberals in congress.

    Vitter - We do not know the status of disclosure, as well as what possible charges will be filed, and you sure don’t see any conservatives in congress lining up to support him, nor are there people out there trying to hide things, or keep things from being investigated.

    PODS™

  37. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 10:52 am

    Ah for crackin’ ice, is ANYONE here complaining about the situation??? Quit inventing controversy where none exists.

  38. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 10:53 am

    DOTI™

  39. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 10:54 am

    #37 Hamjolly

    People are still trying to say that nothing these guys (the Republicans) are doing compares to Clinton.

    It’s a joke to keep doing that every time something negative about a Republican is exposed. They’re all wrong for their actions. Why have to measure it on a scale?

  40. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 10:55 am

    WASHINGTON — Republican Sen. John McCain’s top campaign manager and chief strategist resigned Tuesday from the senator’s 2008 presidential campaign.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288812,00.html

    And now
    The end is near…

  41. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 10:56 am

    #40 As predicted by me a long time ago. :)

  42. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 10:56 am

    #34, shakey, I have always said that conservatives should hold themselves to higher standards than the liberals, and I have never complained when a conservative has gotten his hand caught in the proverbial cookie jar. My bitching and complaining is about the liberals who sit there and one day are saying that Clinton’s affair is a private family matter and we do not need to investigate his actions, and then in the very next sentence rail on a conservative who basically committed the same acts, and is screaming till they are about to faint that he needs to be run out of town on the first bus.

    Double standards again.

  43. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 10:57 am

    People are still trying to say that nothing these guys (the Republicans) are doing compares to Clinton.

    Who? Who are these people you keep referring to? No one here.

  44. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 10:58 am

    #42 bw

    And I have said forever that it’s crazy to obsess about the Dems and their Double Standards because you’re not going to change them. They don’t hold themselves to those higher standards, they make excuses for their behavior, and their constituents forgive them and let them off the hook.

    You’re not going to change Liberals. They are just going to become more Liberal.

    So why try? Change Conservatives who are becoming more Liberal. At least you have a chance and they’re your only hope.

  45. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 11:00 am

    #43 Hamjolly

    LOL are you serious? You’re in another world. Go back and read the comments on every Republican scandal discussed here.

    Wow.

  46. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 11:06 am

    #44, shakey

    And I have said forever that it’s crazy to obsess about the Dems and their Double Standards because you’re not going to change them.

    I am not trying to change the liberals, all I do is point out that they are far from perfect, and that their standards are not where they should be. I know 95 % of the liberals in this country are beyond changing, however there is a larger potion of society that does not actively relate to a single party, and it is those people who need to be reminded of the fact that as you so correctly put it.

    They don’t hold themselves to those higher standards, they make excuses for their behavior, and their constituents forgive them and let them off the hook.

    That is fine, the liberals can let each other off the hook, but I am going to continue to point out that they did, it is my way of preventing people from buying into the liberal big lie.

  47. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 11:18 am

    #45 Would you like to take a poll and see how many live in HammieWorld vs. how many live in ShakeyLand?

    You’re just taking the legitimate question conservatives always ask, “Why do Democrats get a pass on their scandalous behavior?” and turning it in to a “holier than thou” conspiracy. You ignore the fact that Republicans take their trash out while Democrats proudly wallow in it.

  48. jimb on July 10th, 2007 at 11:18 am

    They don’t hold themselves to those higher standards, they make excuses for their behavior, and their constituents forgive them and let them off the hook

    Shakey: Wrong, wrong, wrong. If a Democrat is my elected representative, even though I may have voted for the other guy, guess what? I am his constituent! People who claim Democrat affiliation may well let their guy off the hook, but if he’s my representative too, then I will most decidedly not.

  49. jimb on July 10th, 2007 at 11:19 am

    Shakey, you said “holier than thou” and then you said that “Republicans take out their trash”. YOU can’t have it both ways.

  50. jimb on July 10th, 2007 at 11:23 am

    49 - oops. You said Republicans hold themselves to a higher standard…

  51. Shannon on July 10th, 2007 at 11:37 am

    When your public image is part-and-parcel of your vocation, you forfeit much of your right to privacy.

    And you shouldn’t be surprised at the reaction when you screw it all up.

    No organization–governments, businesses, churches–thrives when those of low character are at the helm.

    Choosing indifference to character issues is a perilous way to live, Bubba.

  52. retire05 on July 10th, 2007 at 11:55 am

    I can’t wait until some Dem is linked to these numbers. But then, it will probably be some aide to that Dem who was just boinking a ho so the Senator didn’t have to do it.

  53. dcgirl on July 10th, 2007 at 12:15 pm

    So it’s OK for Vitter to solicit prostitutes and it’s none of our business (probably on government time and using government funds, I can’t wait for that to come out), but Clinton lying about a BJ is?

    I get a bit irritate when people don’t read what is written. I believe that I said that the reason that Clinton was in trouble was because he lied under oath (you know, perjury). I don’t believe that his affairs ever got him into trouble with anyone other than his wife until he was sued for sexual harassment. Then there are the allegations of rape, but since he kept the AG from investigating that it is a moot point.

    What we have here is a man who violated his marriage vows. Stinky - yes; Criminal - no (unless he lies about it under oath). Yeah, I know the old it was with a call girl so that makes it illegal, but are we really going to get that picky? If he has been helpful to conversatives with things that matter the MOST, like stopping the passage of the illegal amnesty, I say keep him. Better to have him, than someone that, while being faithful to his wife, sells out his country.

  54. EricPJohnson on July 10th, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    DCGirl

    I agree with you except for the part that if a person cannot be trusted by his family then we shouldent give him an office of public trust either

  55. TalkinTexas.com on July 10th, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    Wow, an elected rep. paying for and doing it with a prostitute.

    How many, from both parties, are WE paying and they are doing it to us?

    Either accept it or organize in your community, there are lots of your neighbors who agree with you and are fed up also.

  56. Fasternu 426 on July 10th, 2007 at 12:36 pm

    If he would violate his vow before God, to his wife for some old hide, do you think he might cross some other quaint belief that us backward folk hold dear? In my opinion.. there’s a pretty darned good chance.

    Character is what you are doing when nobody is around to catch you.

  57. Owen Courrèges on July 10th, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    dcgirl,

    I know the old it was with a call girl so that makes it illegal, but are we really going to get that picky?

    Well, that’s not being picky at all. Prostitution is against the law the same as perjury. One is a serious misdemeanor and the other a low-grade felony (first time prostitution offenders can get up to 6 months in prison, while it’s up to 5 years for perjury). Still, let’s not split hairs.

    I agree that I wouldn’t make this the sole issue I voted on, but it should be considered.

  58. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 12:42 pm

    #32 bw

    So you’re admitting that Conservatives do hold themselves to higher standards? I agree.

    So;

    So, you’re admitting that Conservatives practice what they preach?

    Let me get this straight:

    Conservatives hold themselves to the “Holier than thou” standards you claim they have, then claim they are practicing a “Double Standard?”

    How can that be?

    A Double Standard is one where you don’t hold yourself to the expectations you have of others.

    Or do you have an alternative definition

  59. twocute64001 on July 10th, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    If I can not trust you on the little things……………………….

    Lying, Cheeting to me these are not just “little” things

  60. Ghost Rider on July 10th, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    If I understand correctly, these incidents took place before he ran for Senate. I would like to see a picture of the hooker before I pass judgement, LOL … I saw photos of the skank that Jimmy Swaggart favored, and that was more shocking that the fact that he sinned. Seriously!

    My biggest problem with this incident is that he lied repeatedly in public about it. His marriage is between him and his wife, but his public lies discredit all the good he has done. Bye-bye!

  61. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    Speaking of Double Standards:

    http://www.dailynews.com/ci_6286125

    He’s Hillary’s California Campaign Manager.

    The “other woman” is a television news anchor who would regularly on the Mayor’s office.

  62. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 1:24 pm

    Should say:

    “a television news anchor who would regularly REPORT on the mayors office.”

    But mybe you can use your imagaination as to what she who regularly do on the mayor

  63. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    Actually Sarge he is the Mayor of LA.

  64. Shannon on July 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    I’m not picky at all, dcgirl.
    The choice (paid or unpaid) of bed partners made by philandering leaders doesn’t really concern me at all.
    I just don’t want them in positions of leadership.

  65. TalkinTexas.com on July 10th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    Excuse me #’s 58 & 61, sargevining,

    According to yesterdays picture I believe it is now

    spelled doble standard, not double standard

    thank you!

  66. houstondem on July 10th, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    He supported the Marriage Protection Amendment (yet he can not protect his own marriage), he portrays himself as a “pro-family”, Christian, conservative republican. Of course he is ridiculed by liberals and by exposed as a hypocrite.

    Indiscretions should not be tolerated by either side. But what gets me is when republicans continue to bring up Clinton, Clinton, Clinton. I did not like what Clinton did and I don’t believe should any Democratic should try to rationalize his behavior by comparing his actions to another Republican. And vice versa.

    Republicans need to quit obsessing over Clinton and clean up their own house.

  67. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 1:45 pm

    #66, ok how about William Jefferson, or any of the others.

  68. Fasternu 426 on July 10th, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    “quit obsessing over Clinton and clean up their own house.”

    Looks like it’s happening. Repubs push their own under the bus, Dhims give them prominence. How’s ole Barney Frank doing by the way?
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/tours/scandal/gobie2.htm

  69. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    bweldon Says:
    July 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
    Actually Sarge he is the Mayor of LA.

    h\HJe’s also Hillary’s California Campaign manager.

    So;

    What is her comment about this going to be?

    Maybe we’re about to see what kind of standards she has.

  70. Shannon on July 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    66

    Move On, huh?

    Funny how, these days, most often, Clinton’s name only comes up when the subject is “indiscretions”, “lying to grand juries”, “auctioning off pardons”.

  71. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    here is the woman he had the relationship with
    http://www.svrep.org/picture_gallery/LADinner05/IMG_0039.JPG

  72. houstondem on July 10th, 2007 at 1:57 pm

    70 - That’s how YOU choose to remember Pres. Clinton. I choose to recall 8 years of peace and prosperity.

  73. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 1:57 pm

    then here is the picture of his wife and family…

    including 2 kids from another woman…
    http://www.latinastyle.com/currentissue/v11-3/ima/PublisherMessage.jpg

  74. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    #72, and 8 years of attempts of national healthcare, increased taxes, and sticking his finger in the wind to see what position he should take on an issue.

  75. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    Well, this DOES speak volumes, dosen;t it?

    Then in his third term, the 45-year-old representative had not yet stated his homosexuality publicly. He paid Gobie $80 in cash for sex.

    Gobie, then 28, was one of many young men “freelancing” in male prostitution. Gobie said he was born in Boston and grew up in a military family. He has felony convictions for possession of cocaine, oral sodomy and production of obscene items involving a juvenile.

    Gobie and Frank say they became more friends than sexual partners. Gobie says he attended a bill-signing at the White House, and helped coach and played left field for Frank’s team in the Congressional Softball League. “I was the star player,” Gobie said.

    Frank is still in Congress, is Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and regularly appears on Televisionas a spokesman for the Democrat party.

    Vitter4 will lilley be forced to resign by his (Republican) colleagues and constituents.

    Yah—there’s a Double Standard at work here all right.

  76. jimb on July 10th, 2007 at 2:02 pm

    #72 - Of which he had nothing to do with and cannot claim credit for? He got lucky to be in office during that time, benefitting from Reagan’s legacy. He also ignored a lot of festering problems and presided over the dot-com bubble. Clinton’s legacy is still harming us to this day…

  77. houstondem on July 10th, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    # 74 Better than 9/11, Iraq, No Child Left Behind, Pork-filled transportation bill and pork-filled medicare bill, no immigration reform, no healthcare reform…

  78. houstondem on July 10th, 2007 at 2:05 pm

    #76 I believe raising taxes on the wealthy and tax cuts for the middle class had a little something to do with the growth of the economy.

    Oh and Bush has presided over a housing bubble. What has he done about that?

  79. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    #77, ok how about Somalia, the USS Cole, the bridge to nowhere,

    look we can go on and on listing the failures of both sides, I am not going to get into a “my side is better than yours” pissing match. Plain and simple, both sides have warts, but are you willing to sit down and have reasonable discussions on what and how we solve our problems?

  80. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    houstondem Says:
    July 10th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
    70 - That’s how YOU choose to remember Pres. Clinton. I choose to recall 8 years of peace and prosperity.

    And sending the FBI to chase down al Queda.

    And unemployment higher than it is today.

    And a stock market lower than it is today.

    And taxes higher than they are today.

    And inflation higher than it is today.

    And dead children in Waco.

    And the Air Force bombing Kosovo—where we still have troops.

    and this:

    http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2001/breaking-news-photography/works/elian2.gif

  81. Shannon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    houstondem,
    Will you Dems never understand?
    Bill Clinton was a recent president of the US. He will remain in the memory and properly be a topic of conversation for a decade or two.

    Can’t you guys get a little more creative and drop this “obsessed with Clinton” cliche’?

    He was a colossal embarrassment to this country. He single-handedly put the presidential stamp of approval on the reclassification of fellatio into a non-sexual category for an entire generation of 11 year olds.

    We could explore the rest of his sleezey record (which is clear and long) but I don’t want to be accused of being obsessed.

  82. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Sarge, jimb, drop it, houstondem will never be willing to discuss the issues, all he/she wants to do is troll around and try to get us mad.

  83. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Bottom line:

    In 2008, this country will have been run by somebody named Clinton or somebody named Bush for twenty years—both of them folks who are more to the left of where I would like for my President to be.

    I’m ready for a change.

  84. jimb on July 10th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    9/11 is directly traceable to Clinton’s sticking his head in the sand. NCLB sucks, but the only reason Clinton didn’t pass something worse is that he had opposition in the Republican Controlled Congress at the time. Ditto for the medicare bill and the transportation bill.

    We don’t need government healthcare reform.

    We don’t need to raise taxes on the wealthy. We need to spend less.

    Bush cut middle class taxes even more.

    Bush can do nothing about the “housing bubble” in that we’re in a market economy. The only reason I brought up the dot-com bubble is that it contributed to a period of growth and good economy, but it was illusory and certainly not to be credited to Bill Clinton.

    Clinton did nothing about immigration reform, either.

    Don’t get me wrong, Bush has his problems, but Bill Clinton was worse in numerous ways.

  85. jimb on July 10th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    /dropping it sir…

    ;)

  86. dcgirl on July 10th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    Being that we will NEVER have a perfect politician in office, and least face it - none of us is perfect - I stand by my standards that I would rather have someone who has broken a vow to his wife than one that would sell out the country. Yes, I know standards, standards, standards. But in the meantime those that are holding out for the perfect candidate will see the destruction of our country, because since the perfect candidate does not exist, we have to pick those that will put the country’s best interests first. Hence, since Vitter was our strong man in regard to the illegal immigration battle I think he deserves to be reelected. If those that are in his district want him out because he cheated on his wife, then who are they going to be stuck with? I would rather have Vitter than McCain. McCain, Bush, and all those “faithful to their wives” people are selling our country out. Having “standards” does you no good when you are living in a 3rd world country.

  87. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    #84 jimb

    No offense, but you need a serious history lesson.

  88. jimb on July 10th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    #87 - on what, pray tell?

  89. jimb on July 10th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    What did I say that was historically inaccurate?

  90. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    World history

  91. houstondem on July 10th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    78-85

    I am not Pres. Clinton’s biggest fan. I do not support NAFTA or unfettered free trade or globalization. My point is simply this, I do not care about Clinton’s marriage or Vitter’s marriage especially since neither one of those men apparently care about their marriages. I am just tired of republican supporters running back to the Clinton days with their revisionist history goggles on every time one of their own messes up. Forget about Clinton. It’s over. Stop living in the past. Bush commutes Libby’s sentence you guys find a Clinton example to justify Bushes action. Vitter plays around with a hooker you guys use Clinton to prove some sort of silly, irrelevant point. How will the Republican party ever get away from their scandalous problems if republican supporters do not hold them accountable for their actions???

  92. dcgirl on July 10th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    jimb - don’t forget that Clinton sold our missile technology to China. That “wonderful” country that is poisoning our food supply.

  93. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    headshaker Says:
    July 10th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
    #84 jimb

    No offense, but you need a serious history lesson.

    Why don’t you give it to us, then?

  94. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    #93 Sarge

    Because it would be a complete waste of time, like all other blogging.

  95. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    Houstondem have you even read any of the comments here today?

    Most of them have been on the double standards that are flying around DC with regards to Vitter. The Democrats are screaming for his head, but at the same time they have Jefferson who is indited (sp) in a bribery case, yet he still holds office, Barney Frank who has solicited male prostitutes and is still in office. Do you want more examples? The Republicans are going to let this guy swing. In the past 30 years I have not seen a single Deomcrat who has been charged with any sort of felony that has resigned his position, yet when Republicans are charged, most of the time (and I did say MOST) they step down till they are either found guilty or not.

    Double standards.

  96. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    Forget about Clinton. It’s over. Stop living in the past.

    I’m wondering if yo9u’ll take your own advice next year during the coming Presidential Campaign.

    Bush is toast. He can’t be reelected. But he’s the only thing you guys talk about.

    When are we going to hear about what you guys will do with the country once you get in carge?

  97. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    NEWSFLASH FOR SARGE:

    BUSH IS THE CURRENT PRESIDENT

    CLINTON IS THE PAST PRESIDENT

    Continue

  98. Shannon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    How will the Republican party ever get away from their scandalous problems if republican supporters do not hold them accountable for their actions???

    We do. Democrats don’t.

    They will never get away from these problems by mimicking the Dems (look the other way), as dcgirl seems to be advocating.

  99. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    Sarge,

    When are we going to hear about what you guys will do with the country once you get in carge?

    When?? never because they cannot formulate a new idea to save their lives, everything for them is the govenment needs to do it for you be cause you are not smart enough to do it yourself.

  100. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    NEWSFLASH for SHAKEY

    CLINTON WANTS TO BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT

    Democrats claim the moral high ground, but fail to enforce it on their own

    What more do you want….

  101. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    NEWS FLASH FOR HEADSHAKER!

    NEWS FLASH FOR HEASHAKER!

    A CLINTON IS CURRENLTY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND IF SHE WINS BILL CLINTON WILL BE BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

  102. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    NEWSFLASH FOR SHAKEY!

    If Hillary wins, Bill Clinton will be back in the White House

  103. dcgirl on July 10th, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    Looks like Shakey can’t put his money where his mouth is. A simple question was asked - what was historically inaccurate about jimb’s post?

    Shakey - your comment “it would be a waste of time” sounds like one from someone with an overactive ego.

  104. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    Because it would be a complete waste of time

    What a freakin’ weasel! Disparage a friend then refuse to back the claim up. You ain’t from this planet, are ya?

  105. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Here we go folks:

    http://www.deborahjeanepalfrey.com/Jeane10c.html

    Phone records of the hooker’s Escort Service from 1998 until 2005

    Let’s see how many other dobule standards are being performed.

  106. EricPJohnson on July 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    And now for a brief musical interlude….

  107. dcgirl on July 10th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    #98 - Shannon - Putting words in my mouth? I never said it was okay to cheat on your wife. I said that it is more important to ME that a representative do what is right for the COUNTRY! Who would you rather have - please choose:

    (a) Perfect in home life - Sells out country
    (b) Imperfect in home life - Does what is right for country

    Yes I know we ALL want (c) - Perfect. But I am not going to hold my breath waiting for that person to come along.

  108. Shannon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    Uh oh.
    Here comes the Shakeyland/Hammieworld thingy, again.

  109. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    #103 Hamjolly

    Disparage a friend? No one gets disparaged more than me (except WB and EPJ)!

    I gotta flight to catch, no time to do the necessary research.

  110. Shannon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    106
    Didn’t mean to put words in your mouth. I thought you made it quite clear what your priorities are.

    I just disagree. None of these low-lifes are indispensable, in my book.

  111. dcgirl on July 10th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    #104 - Sarge - how much do the call girls charge for the “double standard”! Sounds like a new choice. :-)

  112. bweldon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    look at shakey bail on that one… chief next time you come to a gun fight make sure your weapon is loaded. Cause you dont get to call time out and load up after that first shot is fired…

  113. TalkinTexas.com on July 10th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    Switch the party labels, right to left, left to right, and what is the difference? None.

    Does it feel better when the person from your party screws ya? Or does it only hurt when the person from the other party screws ya?

    Clinton is the past, Bush is the past, what ya gonna do about your future?

    Continue to eat this crap they throw at ya, or stop accepting it and fight back?

    You have the power, use it.

    Organize in your community, we can help you.

  114. Shannon on July 10th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    112
    As predictable as hot in August.

  115. sargevining on July 10th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    squawkbox Says:
    July 10th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
    Bell or Hill? C’mon Serge’ get some spine and answer it is real simple to do.

    One would think that after calling jimb;s historical accuracy into question, you;d have that information in your head–you were quite ready to make the statement as being a fact.

    My bet is you pulled it from a completely different part of your anatomy and are unable to back it up, even with recollection.

  116. dcgirl on July 10th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    Shannon - My priorities are the well-being of my country. I think those of us that “throw the baby out with the bath water” are going to wake up one day and realize that instead of insisting on perfect politicians being perfect in their PRIVATE lives as well as doing what is right for the country and their consituents, we get the best that we can. If someone better comes along then we go with it. But how is it going to help the country to throw out a representative that, by all that I have read (and I will admit I don’t know his full voting record) he does what is best for the country. Is it worth holding your ideals out and in the meantime we get people in there that sell us all down the river? Why can you not answer my simple (a) or (b) choice in #106? Why must you insult my intelligence and my morals instead? For the last time, I would rather have someone in office that is perfect; but until that time I will pick who is best for the country. If someone does something that is contrary to his family I think the family should sort it out. When are we going to look at the news that is important? There is so much more out there that is important to us all and here we are picking flys..t out of the pepper to find yet another scandal. Seems like Vitter’s wife can take good care of herself. Let her deal with the issue.

  117. Hamous on July 10th, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    No one gets disparaged more than me!

    Boo freakin’ hoo! Maybe if you wouldn’t make such outlandish claims and then refuse to back them up all the time you’d be cut some slack. You’re like the guy who murders his parents then pleads for leniency on account of he’s an orphan ;-)

  118. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    OK, you asked for it.

    Jimb said in #84:

    9/11 is directly traceable to Clinton’s sticking his head in the sand.

    That’s revisionist crap. It goes way beyond Clinton. Here’s a start:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2102243

    BOINK! I’m gone to Mexico City. Enjoy my absence :)!

  119. headshaker on July 10th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    #117 Hamjolly

    Real nice, bringing up the fact that I was an orphan. Real nice