Listening to all of the ranting about the feared North American Union, from the right and left, from people spending time in life as talk radio hosts, from the World Net Daily’s and Infowars.com’s of the world and the ubiquitous Ron Paul acolytes is getting very old, very boring and very tiring. I’m reminded of a column that Michael Medved put forth last December.
This paranoid and groundless frenzy has been fomented and promoted by a shameless collection of lunatics and losers; crooks, cranks, demagogues and opportunists, who claim the existence of a top secret master plan to join the U.S., Canada and Mexico in one big super-state and to replace the good old Yankee dollar with a worthless new currency called “The Amero.”
Right on. Keep going.
Remember when the same miserable cretins tried to frighten the public over the “UN is taking over our National Parks” garbage? They openly predicted blue helmets (and black helicopters, no doubt) at Yellowstone and Yosemite and Mt. Rainier and….. nothing happened. Northing! The world body hasn’t seized the Sequoias or the Grand Canyon because a few American natural wonders were designated as “World Heritage Sites.”
And going.
Please remember: the hysterics and fringies who now promote the “secret plan” to eliminate the border with Mexico are the same psychotics who for decades suggested that the Council on Foreign Relations and the Bilderbergers and the TriLateral Commission and Bohemian Grove and Skull and Bones and the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds were all working together to make sure that Communism took over the whole world. But then, inconveniently for the conspiracists and Birchers, Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher and Pope John Paul and Lech Walesa forced the Soviet Union into collapse and some of the formerly Commie nations (Poland and Hungary and Czech Republic prominent among them) now count as our closest, most valiant allies, and are members of NATO, in fact..
And, like the Energizer bunny, going.
Please – take careful note of anyone in politics (even some “reputable” US Congressmen) or media who gives even a moment’s credence to the “dangers” of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, or the North American Union, or the Monster Highway. Write down the names of such people, and remember the names. And then when the fraudulent stories have been discredited or simply disappeared (like the brain-dead, laughableY2K scare, or the U.N. National Parks conspiracy, or the concentration camps and black helicopters that were supposed to menace opponents of globalization), or when the tall tales have morphed into some other attempt to paralyze the unsuspecting public with paranoia, please refer once again to the names on your list of fatuous fear-mongers AND TREAT THEM WITH THE DERISION AND CONTEMPT AND DISREGARD THEY SO RICHLY DESERVE.
There now. I feel better. Read the whole thing and you will too.
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and the grenade is rolled into the crowded subway……
Now what will I do with my tin hat?
What would a super state do with a corrupt, drug infested country like Mexico? Why do you think we have all those illegal aliens?
And for the UN to take control of the parks, it would probably be an easy, no-brainer project that they would end up screwing up anyway.
I think certain people make outrageous comments to see if anybody is dumb enough to listen and take them serious. Name recognition for being a crack pot, I guess is better than not being recognized at all!!!!!
This is quite a collection of ad hominems. Do you care to offer any substance to your article?
Take out the personal attacks and this article reads as follows: “People who believe there is a movement for a North American Union are bad.” I’m not sold. Please expand on this –without pejoratives– and your readers may take you seriously.
Frankly, I always take bigjolly seriously. Michael Medved is one of the most imminently sensible people in America and for that reason, I take him seriously also.
This article also does not take into account the possible or probable changes in NAU “strategery” as their nefarious plans are more widely communicated and subsequently poo-poohed.
I don’t necessarily agree that there is a huge conspiracy, BUT. . .this article does not convince me there isn’t.
Count me as another one who takes BigJ seriously. The real money quote is this:
You guys will believe, yeah, you’ll see….
Here’s the money they want us to use. I present to you the new Amero:
http://www.antoranz.net/CURIOSA/ZBIOR3/C0310/10-QZC08007_ART27-18-182_Yap-stone-money.jpg
Something that strikes me (beyond this or that fact on a particular issue) are the habits of mind that are used to think about these types of things.
Bill Clinton was a horrible, horrible President.
But let’s be honest– a not insignificant chunk of conservatives went around the bend as his presidency (and horrific behavior, both personal and political) went on and on and on.
Don’t even try to persuade me otherwise– I was just beginning my career in talk-radio during those years, and the Internet was still a relatively new thing (especially among older conservatives, who make up the bulk of talk-radio’s audience).
The late ’90’s was the last shining moment of old-fashioned “crank mail”–now days, lunatics just send emails around or start blogs. But back then, if you were a crank you had to take the time to type something out (or better, hand-write your letter), get an envelope, stamp, address it, etc.
You can’t imagine some of the crazy things that got sent to the station. I actually started a special file at my desk (called “The Loony Bin”) where I’d store these things.
Still have it, in the archives at home. Have pondered writing a coffee-table book, reproducing some of the best material.
Anyway, put it this way–there are a lot of flat-out crazy people around, and an even larger group who don’t think very clearly and are easily excitable.
More than once I took something into Dan’s office, showed it to him, and we ended up calling the Secret Service or FBI to come by and take a look.
Since President Chimpy McHitler was selected (not elected!) by five Supreme Court Justices in 2000, moonbattery has been the overwhelming domain of the Left. It has been a wonderful time… far and away the most irrational, insane, absurd, angry and down-right stupid public discourse has come from the side of the political aisle on which I do not sit.
Republicans and conservatives are starting to get worried about ‘08. And I can feel the heartbeat of right-wing moonbattery resurfacing.
Count me out. If, G-d forbid, Hillary is elected President in 2008, I will loath and fight her public policy agenda with every ounce of my strength.
But I’m not going to start hating my government simply because she’s temporarily in charge.
And I’m not going to melt-down intellectually or emotionally hyperventilate because “my side” is no longer in power.
Surely the last seven years of Left-wing moonbattery should have taught us how destructive (and foolish) that approach to opposition is.
N-A-U stands for Northern Arizona University…nothing else! Go Lumberjacks!!
@TheDude; How do people who believe there is a movement for a NAU make it more difficult for average people to face the problems involving our border with Mexico? I’m not convinced there is an argument in the paragraph you supplied. Could you site examples?
David
I was confused - at first I thought you were talking about R&C
Clinton, IMO was a lazy guy, fired up for campaigning, unresponsive on governance, loved the miriad of conspiracies from Foster to the Death of Ron Brown
Saw a National Geographic program in Qatar yesterday on the death of Ron Brown, still bringing up the conspiracy nuts who think Clinton had Brown killed
No groups of people, especially super-wealthy people, have ever conspired to do anything to consolidate and increase their wealth and further any particular agenda.
To suggest such a conspiracy is ludicrous and laughable.
The CFR, Tri-lats, BC and S&B do not exist, and even if they did, they would not conspire to reach an agenda which favored them and their wealth over “the masses”.
Go back to sleep, Big Jolly…
In the interest of counterpoint, here is Jerome Corsi’s reasoned response to Medved’s frothy rant.
It’s rather long so I don’t expect His Jolliness to read it.
For the rest of you:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18721
‘They’ are watching me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GegXL5fpyLA
The only problem I have with Michael Medved is his agreement with President Bush that we cannot deport the illegal aliens from the country. He calls the very notion that we can deport them unrealistic. He also says we need them in this country.
Frankly, that position is absurd. The problems with taking on hordes of illegal aliens far outweigh any potential benefits we might get. We can start deporting the illegal aliens today while securing the border to make sure they cannot return. If we keep doing this, I know we can deport the vast majority of the illegal aliens within a decade. They didn’t come here overnight. They won’t be leaving overnight. It’s going to be hard, but it needs to be done. Why he can’t see that and so vigorously argues to allow them to stay, I don’t know.
On the NAU issue, I urge everyone to keep a sharp vigilance on the issue. We can defeat any such measure like we did the “comprehensive immigration bill” if we pay attention and let our leaders know that we will not stand for it. It’s up to us to make sure our leaders don’t do anything stupid.
In the interest of helping little mikey sleep better at night, Medved’s Response to Little Mike.
#17 Jolly, I’ve, of course, read that.
Medved is an out and out liar.
# 16 Basara,
Yeah, that’s alls I’m sayin’.
Keep your eyes on em and keep your powder dry, instead of insisting that there is absolutely no way the elites would EVER do such a thing to us…
It’s not their belief that makes it more difficult for us sane folks. It’s the actions they take. Cite you examples? Sure.
Go back through the archives of LST for the last two years and you could find a plethora of examples in the comments sections of many of the posts. Believe what you will about LST, but politicians do read and consider what is said at this blog.
I’ll bet David Benzion could give you more than one example of NAU “looniness” from his “bin” he spoke of in #9. Finally, I’ll give you a specific example that I personally experienced.
A few weeks ago, there was a meeting of a group called The Big Lobby. This group concerns itself with illegal immigration and the impact it has on our community. At the first - and thus far only - meeting of The Big Lobby, a guy named Curtis Collier from USBorderWatch spoke and related a tale of a Blackhawk helicopter being shot down on the border. Mr. Collier claims this really happened and that our government has “buried” this information. That’s a pretty big claim to make without any evidence to substantiate it.
I’ve since found out that Curtis Collier is a Bircher. That, in itself, I don’t suppose is damning. He’s free to be a member of The John Birch Society if he so chooses. But I would count him as one who believes in this alleged NAU conspiracy.
The point of all this is that going around to public meetings making wild allegations of helicopters being shot down - without evidence to back said allegations - makes level-headed conservatives look pretty damn silly for no other reason than being in the same room at the same time.
There were representatives from Dan Patrick’s and Patricia Harless’ offices at this meeting as well. Both representatives had the decency to stay for the whole meeting despite the foolishness I described.
There was a Democratic precinct chair who left after only a few minutes of the meeting. Therein lies the damage that NAU believers do. They drive people away from debate with their frothing-at-the-mouth lunacy. They provide ammunition to people who would open our borders and legitimize illegal immigration. They make the job of rational conservatives more difficult.
Dude is on top of his game today. Good post.
frothing-at-the-mouth lunacy?
You mean the Medved article?…
I would have to agree!
There may well be no North American Union super secret society, but our government has sure made it easy for the conspiracy nuts that believe there is.
As for Ron Brown and Vince Foster, the Clintons may not have had them killed but their deaths sure came at a convenient time for them.
#21
Yes, Dude has excellent logic. Curtis Collier (whoever he is) can’t prove his helicopter claim, therefore, there are no plans for a NAU.
Is that Aristotelian Logic or some other form with which I’m not familiar?
#24 LM,
The point of that wasn’t to prove or disprove plans for a NAU or even to prove or disprove the alleged helicopter incident. The point was that a few well placed loons can get in the way of accomplishing positive change by providing opponents with material to use in making you look foolish.
Little Mike, perhaps it is you that needs more sleep today. Dude was asked for an example of how the lunacy of the NAU fanatics makes it more difficult for the average person to face the problems involving the Mexican border.
His answer was….perfect.
#24 little mike
Dude made no such assertion in his comments.
Thanks BigJ. To be perfectly fair here I’ll go ahead and confess to a conspiracy theory that I do, to some extent, make room for in my mind. I believe that there has been more than one Moby at LST in the past (or at least one operating under several different identities):
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/faq.php
(15th question down from the top - don’t forget the secret knock)
Then again, it could have just been a really whacked out guy who needs the help of a mental health professional. That’s more likely, but it has far less dramatic flair than the…
D’ DUUUUUHHHHH!!!…
Moby Conspiracy.
How does right-wing nuttiness make it difficult for sensible conservative ideas to spread and prevail?
Simple–the same way left-wing nuttiness makes it difficult for sensible liberal ideas to spread and prevail.
How much quicker would the American public have decided that the “stay the course, plow along” strategy in Iraq was unacceptable (and we ought to “surge” and really try to win) IF the most prominent critics of the war hadn’t been obnoxious idiots?
#20. So you are saying that all people who believe there is a movement toward a NAU also believe American helicopters are being shot down on the US/Mexican border. Your inference is that people who believe there is a movement toward a NAU must also believe that US helicopters are being destroyed by the Mexican army. This doesn’t stand to logic.
#29. David, you’ve re-written my question, then attacked it. You’ve set up a strawman.
As to your assertion that Americans would have decided not to invade Iraq had people who believe there is a movement toward a NAU NOT been allowed to speak, I disagree.
Wow never thought I would be called a Loony, but I guess I am now in that category as well. If you can read the link LittleMike posted and all the references in that article to other prominent sites, and still say its all hogwash, more power to you.
Why is it so far fetched an idea, its already been done in Europe, and we are not the free society that so many like to claim.
We also have a Governor that practically forced the trans Texas corridor down our throats and we had not vote on it. You have an example of people using their power improperly to create a superhighway in our very own state and you STILL think there is not plan to create a union of some sort…….Wow and I guess I am now the one considered a loony……
“How much quicker would the American public have decided that the “stay the course, plow along” strategy in Iraq was unacceptable (and we ought to “surge” and really try to win) IF the most prominent critics of the war hadn’t been obnoxious idiots?”
Holy crap! It don’t get any better or more true that THAT!
than that!
#31 localhost– I didn’t re-write your question. I wasn’t trying to answer you question. The Dude answered your question pretty well, imho.
I was just making my own point.
Your second sentence reveals a couple of fundamental misunderstandings of what I said; reread. If you have a thought on a point I actually made, I’ll be happe to respond.
(sorry, was in the midst of an orgasm….)
Not only, that, but I’ll be happy to respond.
Don’t worry Elizabeth– happens all the time when I share my wisdom in public.
localhost,
It doesn’t stand to logic because it’s not what I said.
# 32 Broc,
Some won’t read the linked article or the references therefrom.
The Ostrich Syndrome.
#38 Benzion,
OK then. Where’s your female counterpart? We, the male readers of LST, demand that she show herself. Or are you front page poster types conspiring to keep her to yourselves?
#39. Very well. I’ll ask again then; How do people who believe there is a movement for a NAU make it more difficult for average people to face the problems involving our border with Mexico? I am not interested in how people who believe in helicopter conspiracies make it more difficult for average people to face problems involving our border with Mexico.
Should have added the 8^) to my #41.
At least about the conspiracy part. I was serious about the other stuff.
8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^)
Well that is what I am wondering Littlemike, because I am an avid reader of this site and typically tend to believe that most of the people are level headed. I like everyones post, don’t always agree, but still seems like mostly conservative people. Level headed and open minded.
But I just don’t see how yall can read all the information out on this topic, yes some from government websites, and still have no suspicions.
I’m not suggesting that you cover your face not take a bath for 4 days and run in the streets saying “STOP THE NAU.”
But at least look the information over and be open to the thought that this could very well happen.
10
My son-in-law went there too. Loves it to this day.
17
Hasn’t Corsi gone off the deep end on some other conspiracy ideas.
Anyway, Medved is one of our finest social critics, despite his support for the amnesty bill. But he has this issue, and the pitiable minds who accept it, nailed to the wall.
Extreme talk from the left or right drives away good rational people. As Dude stated the precinct chair, John Sloan, never identified himself as a precinct chair when asked and left before Curtis even spoke. He then sent me an email calling us all at the meeting KKK members without the hoods.
How can you work towards any real solutions when individuals like that are part of the discussion, it just pushs away honest rational people who do not want to be labeled like that.
The same with the rep. from Dan Patrick’s office, smart kid, spoke well, but when he started to blame the Democrats for all the problems it turned everyone off.
Will we have another meeting? I really do not know, seems like most people just want to whine and complain or blame the other party or call those with different opinions bad names, or want someone else to fix the problems then get involved and help find some solutions.
And I will not waste my time with such immature behavior and those who refuse to respect others.
Broc, your 44 is the difference between a reasoned approach to the issue and the screamers out there. If you are an avid reader of this site (and I’m glad to know that you are) and if you read the comments, especially the Open Comments, you will undoubtedly know what I’m speaking of.
There is an ocean of difference between the lunatics that I described above and your approach.
Tom Osman
#44,
Fair enough. But if I had acted on everything I ever suspected might have been true in my life (without verifying) I’d likely be dead right now and not having this conversation. Once again it’s not a question of beliefs, it’s a question of actions.
Alms for the loony, Alms for the loony;
Why are they building this huge highway from stinking Mexico to socialist Canada?
Snide commentary will be points scored in for the loonies.
BigJ
When a person says this in an article:
Please – take careful note of anyone in politics (even some “reputable” US Congressmen) or media who gives even a moment’s credence to the “dangers” of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, or the North American Union, or the Monster Highway.
I have to wonder why so many on this site are supporting him. He is saying that you should not even give a moments credence to the NAU or the Monster Highway.
To me that is just ignorant. Tell that to the people in Texas that will lose their land when that highway construction begins. Is it loony to think that the trans Texas corridor is something that is real?
I understand your point that the people on the streets are making a big hubub about this. But at the same time Medved goes to the extreme in claiming we should not even give a moment’s credence to it, his words not mine.
I think that is just as irresponsible as the people running about screaming the sky is falling.
#48,
/Dude whistles an innocuous tune and slowly backs up without turning his back
Broc, did you read Medved’s follow-up link in my #17 above?
Benzion - need to also add that the most prominent actors FOR the war were also “obnoxious idiots.”
Freemasons
Broc:
The Gemstone File
“Anti” virus programs
Carroll Quigley
Thane Cesar
BigJ
I read it, but he still continues to refer to it as a non-issue. He clearly does not take any of the evidence that is out there seriously and wants to blow the entire topic off.
I just cant agree with that. Not when I drive around my county right now and see signs all over forbidding Trans Texas Corridor workers from coming on their property.
Mr Medved can think what he wants, but there is no other reason to create this highway other than integrating our economies (Mexico) more then they are currently. Might not be a full blow NAU, but that took the EU 50 yrs. Why can’t we be conscious of it now and speak out?
Clearly its not a “Non-Issue.”
Why are they building this huge highway from stinking Mexico to socialist Canada?
To transport good and services from and to Mexico and Canada and the United States at the lowest cost, for the greatest profit.
Most folks–conservatives at least–don’t have a problem with capitalism or free trade.
How they are (or want to go about) doing it (inadequate public input; use of eminent domain; privatized contracts to foreign firms) MAY or MAY NOT be good ideas or practices.
THAT debate is well within the realm of reasoned public discourse.
Please trust me– I work in a professional capacity both in the media and in politics.
In both fields, there are people who want to and are taking advantage of average folks who have reasonable and legitimate concerns.
(a) In the media, there are those who want to pander for ratings. There are also some flat-out cranks who jump from nutty idea to nutty idea.
(b) In politics, there are those who want to pander for votes and financial contributions. There are also some flat-out cranks who jump from nutty idea to nutty idea.
Medved’s rhetoric was/is hot; I suspect that has to do with his not wanting to feel ashamed of the causes he believes in (conservativism), and finding certain behaviors among some conservatives (conspiratorial, xenophobic thinking and rhetoric) to be shameful.
But his point stands– it doesn’t take much to turn-off “average” folks… for them to dismiss anything you have to say because there is something you are saying (or a way you are saying it) that is offensive or weird.
That was my point about the war–any legitimate critiques of how things were going poorly got overwhelmed by lunatic moon-battery. The American public dismissed concerns for a long time because they sure as Hell weren’t going to agree with THOSE idiots.
A more reasoned discourse from critics of the war would have forced greater accountability from its advocates (of which I was and remain one).
Want to advocate for tax reform? Don’t talk about how Ohio wasn’t properly admitted into the Union, so the income tax is unconstitutional.
Want to advocate on behalf of Israel? Guess what– nobody really cares any more about whether or not the British betrayed the Balfour Declaration, or if Jordan is historically 3/5ths of Palestine.
Want folks to take your concerns about the Trans Texas Corridor seriously? Don’t run around muttering about a North American Union or quoting Alex Jones.
It’s a universal political principle. Persuasion 101.
PHG
#62 - Stop making sense.
I’ve tried explaining that to a few folks I’m pretty sure are reasonably intelligent. They start foaming at the mouth.
DHMO
#62 David Benzion:
Thank you for your concerned and serious answer.
I oppose the TTC, as I understand it because I believe it will bisect Texas politically and culturally.
There are many from states not affected by this highway that do not believe it is being planned or cannot conceive it more than another Interstate Highway.
I will keep your thoughtful words to remind myself to be patient in discourse and prudent with words.
#62
David you are 100% correct, when you start whining or screaming the sky is falling those whose attention you are trying to get just hear wha wha wha. Your lips move but nothing comes out.
Serving for years as a HOA Board member I have sat through hours of wha wha wha from homeowners.
#64:
eyes glaze over also
For some odd reason I’m suddenly feeling thirsty.
What?
RUN! BENZION! RUN! They are coming to get you! Hearing the WHUP-WHUP-WHUP of helicopters coming from Conroe (where their secret underground base is under the Qutlet Mall) passing overhead now. RUN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCg1SpEan5k
I’ll oppose the NAU when I see evidence that one is forming, short of hints and allegations that seem to have no basis in fact. The big difference between the EU and the so-called NAU is that there was no big secret that the EU was being formed. It was front page news.
If a politician starts talking about an international economic union between Mexico, Canada, and the US, complete with a common currency and open borders, then we can talk. NAFTA isn’t enough, although I opposed it. The TTC, although I oppose it because of the land-grab by the government that it is.
#70 - DHMO - Dihydrogen Monoxide. My favorite fake conspiracy. Guaranteed to hook whackos every time. Proof that those same reasonably intelligent people will fall for any story that sounds conspiratorial.
#71 Faster– suddenly that explosion down the block from me seems a lot more sinister…
David it may have been a laser guided death ray from the mothership that went off course.
Poor guy who was hit instead.
When did Medved become an omnipotent God?
When The Honorable Dr. Ron Paul ascended to the Mother Ship.
#76 Phil– We elected him to the position at last year’s Zionist Occupational Government meeting.
#40 little mike
I read Corsi’s column and the followed the links he included. I see no conspiracy and my thoughts and opinion parallel those of Benzion.
#78 DB
You’ve compromised the mission. You know ZOG proceedings are clandestine. Ultimate deniability must be maintained. Over and out…
#76
Michael Medved has a computer. He writes a column for media outlets. He actually writes (Quelle Horreur !) his own thoughts and opinions. Hmmm, that makes him a god. Well, the threshhold for omnipotence has certainly fallen. The field is getting very crowded with this internet thing.
Will there be cute little fuzzy critters in this episode? Hold on…. getting the popcorn….
#81 Jewpat– This is part of my strategery of “hiding out in the open”… by revealing the truth in total candor (but mocking it simultaneously), I eliminate the need to conceal the strings being pulled, as those clever enough to observe what is actually going on end up being marginalized in an impenetrable fog of irony.
Somebody, just please google “Security and Prosperity Partnership Agreement” Look at it and read between the lines. I’m not a NAU nut, but SPPA is a crock, just as NAFTA was a big crock. It gives Mexico everything, but holds them to nothing. There are loopholes that they are using from this agreement to hold our border patrol agents hostage. If Bush does not prosecute these BPAs, he is in violation of the treaty. Actually, Mexico has Bush by the balls.
“cute little fuzzy critters”
Be careful what you ask for….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZvmxmVVdk8
Just because the parks thing hasn’t yet materialized, doesn’t mean that it is OK for 99% of Recent Presidents to be members of the same organization. Then you add to that similar percentages of cabinet level positions beonging to the same group. That just means that they all are of similar mind and disposition! Great minds think alike ? right? Having said that I’m sure they have their limits as far as power is concerned. I love Michael Medved, but conspiracy is a human trait that is always near the surface. Et TU BRUTE!??
Uh, oh, plonker. Now you’ve done it. Another conspiracy. All of the ex-presidents were…presidents. Dang, here we go again.
Honestly, that’s the first thing I thought of when I saw it. I have an aunt who went there.
Go Lumberjills!
Don’t worry, Texpat. I’ve got the weather machine ready to put a hurtin’ on Casa de Benzion. I’m torn, though: tsunami or comet impact?
#84 Neo
I’m interested in knowing what provisions of SPPA and/or NAFTA apply to Border Patrol agents and their prosecution. Could you help me out ? Any suggestions on which sections, articles, paragraphs, etc ?
texpat, you didn’t just do that! I know you didn’t just hijack the NAU to a R&C thread! Noooooooooooo…………………
#83 Comrade Benzion
Very clever deception you are developing, but there is a problem with one component of your strategy. Last night, Hamous and I witnessed the death of irony right here on this very website. It was a brutal, agonizing death I would not want to see again. Your fog will have to consist of something else…fear or ignorance, perhaps.
Texpat
#90
I’ll go back and look at it. I had it at one point, so I’ll go back to my research. Laters.
#89 Matt
I gave RickG a last minute reprieve when he was before the LST firing squad. It wouldn’t be fair to not also show Benzion a little mercy.
#91 bj
Gosh, I didn’t think there were any rules on a conspiracy thread. How can you have rules and conspiracies in the same place ? They are mutually exclusive.
That’s what they want you to think.
Now I’m really worried.
Oh no. First the R&C hijack, now Matt comes in with “they”.
Ron Paul acolytes are charging their weapons as we speak.
#96 Matt
That means there are conspiracies behind the conspiracies beyond all comprehension. Heaven help us all !
You can tell the real conspirators — like BigJolly — because they deny the Honorable Doctorness of the Honorable Dr. Ron Paul.
I’ve simply GOT to get used to checking the dang main page as the day progresses!
As for the TTC - a quarter mile swath through privately owned land-soon-to-be-yanked-in
-the-name-of-eminent-domain simply AINT acceptable from this desk and I hope the concept is soundly defeated as many times as it has to be to NOT ever be built.
but I’m not holding my breath either………….
Heaven won’t help us when they declare Marshall Law.
This thread’s going to at least 300 comments. I can just feel it in my bones. If I ever need to sell conspiracies, I know who I’m going to get to do my market research.
Right on Broc and maybe Benzion. No rants here. Just watching.
Hispanic Tips
http://www.hispanictips.com/2007/02/12/missouri-looks-mexico-missouri-gov-matt-blunt-will-lead-trade-mission-mexico-this-week-discuss-plans-mexican-customs-clearinghouse-kansas-city/
Hola, me llamo Tomas, como se llamo?
Dude says:
I must admit to being disappointed with this entire exchange. Cogent comments suck. I mention Ron Paul on the front page and only Bramanti, editor in chief, chastises me.
This sucks.
#103 Ham
Is that as in Marshal Dillon, Thurgood Marshall or Marshall Tucker ?
Is there some big conspiracy to make the NAU? I don’t know. All I can use to judge any theory is to go by what I see. And what I see, is not all that pretty.
I see that the NAFTA plan has not accomplished what it was intended to do [allow Mexico to grow economically so the illegals would not come here], unfettered illegal immigration with an administration that is no really serious about enforcing our national laws, Wal-Marts in Missouri and Arkansas where the signs are all in Spanish, the announcement that one in every ten counties in the U.S. is now minority/majorities (or is it majority/minorities, I get confused by all that lingo), American businesses that now accept the peso, Mexico continuing to fail to stop it’s citizens from swimming across the Rio Grande or doing the desert dash and the demand of those who have no legal right to be here being backed by politicans who take to the streets to march with them as they demand rights they are not entitled to.
These are not the signs of the American that I grew up in. These are the signs of a nation that is rapidly losing it’s nationality and becoming more and more like the EU which removed it’s national borders and wants to be one big happy Europe with no French identity, no British identity, no Italian identity.
Most of the time when you smell a dead rat it is an indication that there is a dead rat very, very close. And when I see the plans to slash a big scar across my state called the TTC, I have to wonder, does someone need to call an exterminator?
Is Medved a god or the God?
Did Ron Paul ascend to the Mother Ship with Big Lou Farrakhan?
Is Georgie Bush playing Lucy again as he holds the football for the faithful Charlie Browns, promising he is now going to “crackdown” on employers who hire illegal aliens?
My guess is the results will be the same for the faithful as they were for Charlie Brown.
#109 retire05:
Ding Ding Ding! BRAVO!
Trans Texas Corridor:
Coming through a neighborhood near you! Mexico all the way to Canada.
180B of our tax $$
Land stolen from our citizens.
Uninspected trucks /smuggling weapons, illegals, drugs and who knows what else
1st inspection in Kansas!
Smog, pollution
Tollroad sold to Spanish company and they get to keep the profits.
Small towns gettin bypassed and lose revenue
NAFTA, CAFTA, Why are AMERICANS getting the SHAFTA?
#111 ST. Nails it. Bravo
#103 Hamous. It’s martial rather than marshall law, unless you were making a play on words.
Big jolly, in reference #86, I meant the CFR. Could you please reread it with THAT qualification. Sorry I was too vague.
Big jolly, In addition, what is the logic of ignoring the membership in the CFR of 99% of prezzies etc. It is not logical to see 3 initials and then ignore the point made about them; despite one’s pre-existing biases. Why should we have to have Presidents from ANY one ‘group’? Who are these people and where in the Constitution is their mandate? I suppose the anti conspiracy crowd sees nothing wrong with that.
plonker, I think you are trying to connect dots that aren’t there. Why should I care if they are all members of the CFR? Networking is a tried and proven tool to get a job. Is it a problem if they are all members of the National Chamber of Commerce?
Pick your group and someone is going to have a problem with it. I mean, just look at this presidential race. People are upset that Romney is running because he is a member of a “cult” (not my opinion, just stating the current thoughts of some). Or Giuliani and Brownback because they are Catholics. Or Obama because he is part of some type of black first church. And on and on we could go.
Jolly you got email.
Here is one of CFR’s task force reports on “Building a North American Community.” Its rather long, so start reading at page 25. Basically, it proposes Canada and the U.S. continue the NAFTA policies of continuing to throw money at Mexico and keep asking Mexico to clean itself up. It also calls for a highway from Mexico to Canada by the year 2010. So, instead of the North American Union, it is being called the North American Community, with the U.S. and Canada giving Mexico everything, letting their people have free access to the U.S. and Canada but without Mexico doing anything in return. Sound familiar?
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf
P.S. I did not mean page 25 of the report but 25 on the adobe count (page 3 of the introduction)
Big Jolly, to answer your question; you should worry about their being members of the CFR because it seems that NO recent President (Except Reagan) has been from outside the group. Chambers of Commerce have certain amounts of influence (both reasonably and often undue) in their spheres. incidentaly, I’m NOT saying anything (connecting dots) except it should be troubling to any serious examiner when faced with that fact alone. I think that people tend to lump things in groups i.e. Helicopters, International Parks, CFR etc. and label them ‘kook fringe’ 3 out of 4 could be wrong and 1 be right. It is not logical to through out one thing because of another.
plonker, exactly what is your beef with the CFR? I hear people complain all the time about it but they never say why. Except that it’s full of “elites” or something to that effect. So what? It’s a policy institute. Why wouldn’t you want 100% of our presidents engaged in policy discussions?
To all the sheeple that think the nau is a fantasy made up in the minds of lunatics.
I’ll bet somewhere there is a proud Englishmen that swears there is no such thing as the EU and his new found money called the Euro.
It matters none. We wont pay the price for this anyway. It will be our grandchildren that live under some sort of UN law.