Eyes that look like Mexico, lips like sherry wine
That girl can sure commit some crime
As I get a funny feelin up and down my spine
Cause the SS number she took used to be mine

So I’m screamin
Elvira, Elvira
Gonna throw you out Elvira

Tonight I’m gonna meet her at the jail house downtown
And as look at her ugly frown
I’m just gonna say Elvira dear
just get out of my darn town

Now I’m singin
Elvira, Elvira
Gonna throw you out Elvira

I am so pleased, ICE stepped up and upheld the law. With the nation watching, and every illegal, hopefully they will realize the laws will be enforced. Maybe a few of the illegals will start packing for home.

They should also grab Coleman and his wife.

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

“Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”
Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:
* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

It’s interesting the articles on this barely mention the fact she stole someone’s identity. One sentence……. arrested for a false social security number. It plays down the fact she was deported once, and came back pregnant to give birth. I hope she concentrates on cleaning up and making her own country a desireable place to live and work.

I moved from state to state several times over the years …. no one ever told me I was supose to leave the kids behind . Sure could have saved a lot of money !

#3 Carson
We have Casa Juan Diego in Houston that provides all that to thousands of illeglas every year while also enjoying a non-profit status.

You can google search and read all about it on their web site, they are very proud of their work.

So why doesn’t the Feds. shut them down, or at least strip them of their non-profit benefits?

#5 I’ve been wondering that too. Why would she have to be separated from her son? Answer - she won’t. Just hyperbole to tug on the heartstrings of the more sensitive. See the racist Republicans ripping little children from the arms of their mothers. To use a child in such a manner is disgusting. But what do you expect from someone that would steal another’s identity. I had a friend who’s identity was stolen. She was falsely arrested three times for another woman’s crimes. She never resolved all the problems until she got married and changed her name.

This is very encouraging news. It reminds me of something an old boss told me about sales. He likened it to pushing beans into a tube. You have to push a lot of beans at first just to fill the tube, but eventually they do start to fall out the other end.

I think justice is probably the same way. The wheels turn very slowly. We shouldn’t let that discourage us from doing the right thing though. When Americans get fed up enough we can get things done. We’re seeing it now.

Casa Juan Diego is run by Mark and Louise Zwick. They fancy themselves as continuing the tradition of Dorothy Day. They are some of the last vestiges of liberation theology, which is really just Marxist theology, in the Catholic Church.

# 7
Hamous

I also have a friend whose identity was stolen. She is a police officer and ended up with warrants out for her on bad check charges. They finally caught the guy that stole her purse, but still suffers from the repercussions by having to explain all the problems he caused.

The illegal alien and identity thief has a choice. She can take the child or abandon it. Her choice.

So the Feds. fine those who employ an illegal immigrant, even if they were fooled with false documents, while it supports Casa Juan Diego.

Why??

AZ, how is the federal government supporting Casa Juan Diego?

#11 Casa Juan Diego hides behind a Christian mantle of feed the poor, help the impoverished. The mayor is a democrat and can’t figure out what to do with these folks who come here hungery and broke…… I am guessing he figures the casa will stop a little of the crime ( while it commits it’s own) Build the fence, deport them, let them come in legally. How do we go about putting a flood light on Casa Juan Diego and getting it shut down? It won’t be a popular idea with those who run for office.

#13 I suspect all the half million dollar townhomes going up around Casa Juan Diego will put a flood light on the problem at least in that area. Liberals are very good at playing the NIMBY game.

If she would have come here on a green card and started the citizenship process, she would have been a US citzen by this time. Much easier to break the law, I guess..

Why would she even consider leaving her son behind?

She must be planning of painting the town red in Tijuana.

If Carson is correct in #3 they have been violating our laws foe years by giving illegal immigrants protection and shelter. I remember about 12 years ago Mark spoke at our church and stated people in Mexicoa, Central and South America know if they make it over the border they will receive protection and shelter at
Casa Juan Diego. So why does our government enforce the law?

Why does our government allow them to enjoy the benefits of a non-profit corporation?

We are being fed a bunch of b/s by our government, why aren’t they raiding construction sites and where new homes are being built? Who is paying who for protection?

Hamous

There is a difference between the story of your friends arrests and someone using another persons ss#

As I understand she didn’t steal an identity to commit fraud she used a fraudulent SS# to allow her to work she’s not being accused of using the number fraudulently (ie to steal, to bounce checks et al)

Your friends arrest 3 times is an astonishing one - worth a book - but was not from this person’s activities nor even attributable

And actually according to the BLS United States Citizens are the primary culprits of identity theft using others identities to steal not illegal immigrants

My how far we have come from the Elain Gonzales story

Wow!

We are being fed a bunch of b/s by our government

Where?

why aren’t they raiding construction sites and where new homes are being built?

Because they are focusing on the employers, where they should be. The only employers being “fooled” by fake documents are those that want to be.

BigJolly

Have you ever run a company? What expertise do you have in document forensics? Is it the responsibility of an employer to verify everything an employee presents?

I’m going to guess the answer to all theres questions is?

#17

As I understand she didn’t steal an identity to commit fraud

That’s the silliest argument I’ve ever heard. By stealing someone’s identity she has already committed fraud. Illegal immigrants STEAL identities. If they commit crimes under those STOLEN identities the real person will suffer. My friend’s identity was STOLEN by an illegal immigrant.

Something else to consider, most of the time they aren’t stealing John Doe’s identity, they’re stealing Juan Venado’s. This crime hurts law abiding Americans of Hispanic descent disproportionately.

Hey I’ve had an epiphany. Let’s make the shameless hussy tell who knocked her up and then go after him for child support for the child she is leaving behind. No matter where he is.

“she’s not being accused of using the number fraudulently”

What does that mean? It’s ok, then?

Officer, I stole this car to get to work, not drive around committing burglaries.

#21 Hamous

Not only had she committed mail fraud as well. Using fraudulent documents to obtain anything of value is fraud.

You know Hamous if you weren’t so anti police labor protection you’d be all right.

“Theese questions is”

typing badly, bad typing

21

There is a BIG Difference between stealing an indentity and submitting a false SS#

Call the police and ask em

please

BJ, A perfect and true example that our gov. Is just playing a game. Do you recall a few months before Katrina the story in Houston was about a developer who was flying over his site near Pearland and the helicopter he was in was mistaken for an ICE unit and the workers fled the area?

For about three days they reported new homes under construction were not being worked on because of the rumors, even in northern Harris County, I remember an HISD official on tv begging for people to return their kids to school, and a spokesperson from ICE assuring people that no raids would occur. It was a panic, even Bill White was on tv telling people there was notrhing to fear. It was a great big kiss butt So if all these construction workers were legal why hid?

Why keep your kid home from school?

L2H

congratulate yourself that you just advocated sending a working woman who gave birth to an American Citizen back to a country without a place to stay, a job, money to live on, with just the clothes on her back

What a great day this is for America and might I add for this blog

Is it the responsibility of an employer to verify everything an employee presents?

Then why ask for documents at all if you aren’t going to verify them? If you ask for a Social Security card and they just give you a number. Refuse it. If they give you one Xeroxed on a piece of paper, refuse it. Accept a real one or send them down the road.

The Social Security Administration has an online verification here:
http://www.ssa.gov/employer/ssnv.htm
They also have an 800 number in case you don’t have a computer: 1-800-772-6270 And it’s instant!

If the document doesn’t look like the same one you have, decline it and ask for a real one or send them down the road. It ain’t rocket surgery!

Unless you really want illegals to take jobs away from citizens.

Wow, Banable Lecturer. Just wow.

I mean, what can I say to someone who dismisses a clear crime as stealing someone’s identity in such a casual manner. It’s akin to saying, “He only stole my car to buy groceries and go to work, there was no real crime done.”

If you cannot see that, I can only hope you are too lazy to vote.

Btw, does “BLS” stand for “Bannable Lecturer Statistics” or “Bull Liberal S%^&”?

On the Elian matter you brought up, Elain’s mother died getting him into this country where he became a political refugee by existing law. Elvira left her boy behind to score political points in support of commiting crime.

There’s no doubt in my mind which mother actually loved her son.

AZ, you’re kidding, right? You want our government to go running after every report of someone running from a helicopter? And, btw, how do you know that I.C.E. didn’t make a visit to the employer, where they should focus their efforts?

#24 I’m anti Labor, not just anti police labor. You make it sound like I have something against cops.

Adios Elvira. You broke our laws and spit in our faces. Take your son and go home.

# 28

Bannable Lecturer = G. W. Bush

;P

Almost everyone acknowledges most illegals work construction, have you ever read of a housing project in Houston being raided.

I believe it is because the big home builders shield themselves by using sub contractors who hire the illegals and therefore it is hard to charge and fine the big homebuilder with the deep pockets. The sub is a small operator who will disappear, no money to be made chasing him.

“sending a working woman who gave birth to an American Citizen back to a country without a place to stay, a job, money to live on, with just the clothes on her back”

Poor thing, did she come here with that kid in her belly wearing Versace maternity clothes? Now she’s being kicked out and they are taking everything from her.

She took a chance. She knew it was at least POSSILBE for this to happen. She commited two crimes (illegal entry and ss fraud) and was DEPORTED. She then snuck back in with a baby in her belly so she could take advantage of citizenship status of the baby. She’s a poster child for kicking them out! You’ll do anything to keep your lazy a$$ from having to mow the grass, eh?

Question: is Spanish a Core subject at Houston schools? My daughter goes to Catholic school and they announced at orientation that Spanish is now a Core subject, which means she has a midterm and Final and it counts towards whether you pass or fail 6th grade.

I’m not happy about it. I want her to learn Spanish, but I don’t want it to be mandatory.

What is the situation at public schools?

Thanks.

#28 Bannable

Lo siento mucho, que lastima!

Just like I send criminals to jail. You see she is going back to where she belongs.

Hamous

You have to admit your prefect storm story seems to fit your statements without any links.

Here’s a paper from the goverment why identity theft occurs - notice they didn’t touch on identity theftso they could work and pay taxes to a total stranger and into a system that they will never ever recieve benefits from

http://www.treas.gov/offices/domestic-finance/financial-institution/cip/pdf/many-faces-of-identity-theft.pdf

HS

spanish or a foriegn language has always been a core subject in many private schools in fact until a few years ago mowst schools in Europe had required all students to take English (except the UK)

#40 Cannibal Leper

I don’t care about Europe; plus learning English makes sense for Europeans and even Asians.

But forcing Spanish down our kids’ throats is not right.

If they believed it was an ICE unit and ran because they were afraid of a raid does that not indicate they might be illegal?

Do you not recall the story? It was on tv and in the papers for about three or four days?

And a ICE spokesperson was on tv and stated it was not an ICE unit and they were not verifying legal statuses at any construction sites.

Basara, Hamous

Using a false SS# to obtain benefits is fraud punishable by up to 30 years in prison

Using a false SS# to obtain work is a Felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison

Here’s a perfect case from Kansas

See guys heres another FACT and a LINK

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ks/press/July07/07_31a_2007.html

I’m outta here. Another thread hijacked by one not grounded in reality. And Headshaker, how come you’re not calling him on his crap? Huh? Huh? Huh? Just because he’s part of your “group” you give him a pass? DOTI! PODS! LSMFT! WWJD! Hypocrite!

Good riddance. Take your brat with you, Elvira.

39
Eric, you’re wrong. On page 4 of the link you provided it shows Resume Misuse and Impersonation as uses for the theft of identity.

Try reading the crap you link to. And… the treasury gets to keep the money left in the system, you really think they are going to toss out the BILLIONS of dollars there because of illegal aliens using a fraudulent SS number?

HS

then pull her out of Private School and go to another one, here in Doha they can either learn Arabic, Spanish or French - non of these I want either but thats the schools rules

When I went to college my college demanded that I also take a foriegn language, I substituted computer science at the time

Its not a new thing - in fact its going to become more of a required thing nationally.

#47 BL

It’s not practical to change her school. In the grand scheme of things the lesser of the evils is to just suck it up. Like I said, she needs to learn Spanish, I just want it to be her decision, not the school’s.

Faster

Keep your temper my point is that Hamous was asociating this womans crime of I-9 fraud with her friend getting arrested

Bit of a stretch, but as always it seems to always fit in an imperfect world these great stories of injustice that just happens to befall a dozen or so people that someone knows

#44 Hamous

I AM calling him on it. I think he’s off base here.

But I refuse to attack his character and moral conscience for expressing his opinion.

HS
As of last year at least, a foreign language was not mandatory to graduate from high school. In elementary school they learned a little, but it wasn’t considered a “core course”. If you take 2 years of foreign language (any - my kids took Latin) then you can go directly to a 4-year university because you have followed the “college path”. If you don’t take a foreign language you can still go to a 4-year university, but usually you have to do a couple of semesters at junior college first.

If I heard right (I was half asleep) she was on a tour and was scheduled to appear here in Houston. She is not only an illegal and a criminal she is trying to teach others why she should be granted amnesty.

She needs to be deported big time and her anchor baby can go with her. If she comes back again she needs to be put behind bars.

Adios mofo.

Its a start and since she is the face of illegal immigration that makes it a triumph by itself.

You can bet she wont take her son with her.

Hamous we are having a conversation

HS I hear this I was when Klein offered those ESL classes in all of the schools - english is to be the main language

If a school is offering a foreign language or demanding it in the name of pro illegal immigration or as a means to give it some third degree of legitimacy

THen you are correct to be suspicious and I will admit - the schools especially private ones can be really really pushy

But if its for the childs benefit then well, whats the harm

Personally, and I have posted it here time after time I am against any broadcasts in this country in a foreign language period that the official language is English and will be forever

So thats just me

I just think its sad that a working woman is separated from her son and sent away forever from him

And some people here are rejoicing?

America!

#43 BL
So you have acknowledged that she committed a felony. Why are we supposed to feel sorry for her. For one thing, she purposely got knocked up while not being married, then waited until practically the due date to sneak BACK into the US after being deported previously. She deserves no compassion - the person whose SS she stoles deserves it. And if she cares so much about her kid she would not leave him behind. If her country is so horrible, then why doesn’t she (and all the other 20 million illegals) work to make it better instead of scamming the Americans who have worked hard to make OUR country a great place. Anyone who defends this criminal behavior is either too lazy to do manual labor themselves or too cheap to pay Americans to do what the illegals are doing.

54

Yep thats right her only crime was to come here and work

Hell we should strip her from her earthly belongings, strip away her children and force her to live in impoverished exile..

No wait we just did that….

#51 dcgirl

Thanks. Now it goes up me even more.

But I know what’s happening. The Catholic Church sees revitalization and big dollars in Illegal Immigration. That’s why they support it and Elvira.

She’s not racist, but she’s aware of the problems illegals bring even at 11 years old. She came home from her first day and said most of the new students this year are Hispanic.

And I quote: “I’m glad I got those shots at the doctor the other day.”

That should go up the rear end of every American a million miles. Our kids shouldn’t have to worry that their fellow students are bringing diseases from their home countries. Are they even requiring illegals to be vaccinated in school? And how are they paying tuition?

Hamous, what’s your take on all this from a Catholic perspective?

Oops, re my #56, change “She’s” to “My daughter’s”

I am no PHD in math but how can an eight year old son be born in 2000 ? perhaps his docs are fake as well.
or he was born in Mexico and they are claiming he was born here for sympathy.

HS

English shall be the only language broadcast, printed and spoken by the government except in law enforcement situations

I have always believed in it

you are right to be suspicious if your school is making a statement by only offering spanish

My oldest is taking Arabic and the guy keeps trying to convert the children to Islam

Oh happy days……

Eric, since the time you tried to pass yourself off as being at Centom and in the military (you never really said, but implied many many times your ‘associations’ there) I have never had any respect for, or believed anything you have said. You are willing to overlook the crimes this woman has committed and overlook the crimes commited by millions and millions coming to this country. If they were fleeing a murderous regime that slaughtered its citizens that would be different. But, no, they come here looking for something better than what they have at home. They have a home. It is their home. They come here, tou our home, and under price their labor and make the citizens here have to compete at a lower cost for a wage that will not sustain an American citizen. You are willing to screw the poorest and least skilled Americans in favor of cheap laborers from a foreign land that break our laws. I question your sanity, your character, and your patriotism!

Faster - Well said!

NIGYSOB?
http://www.brandens.net/

link not working… crap!

55 - she made the choice to commit a felony. She should lose everything that she had! She needs to make restitution to the person whose identity she stole and to the taxpayers whose money she took grabbing all the free goodies (including as I hear, ritalin for the kid). I don’t feel one bit sorry for people that come here just to make money and send it home. They are taking from our citizens to give to their home countries where they still pledge their allegiance. They are nothing but leaches here to take whatever we are stupid enough to let them steal. Maybe if your identity was stolen and you had to deal with the problems, or if you were hit by an uninsured illegal, or if you had another crime committed against you by an illegal you would think differently.

She knowingly broke the law. She used the church like a useful idiot. She used a false SS#. So why is anyone sad that she is gone? Just 19,999,999 more to go…one at a time. As long as it takes.

I’m calling ICE about Casas Helena…..Realistically I expect no postitive results but at least I will try. This young boys mom, left him with a stranger….. an activist attorney……. Guess she plans on returnging very quickly. She committed crimes here, why was she just deported and not arrested and put in jail? Why didn’t we arrest her for adentity theft, and the crimes listed above?

#56 shaker

As not only a Catholic but a member of a family that gave many gifts to the church in Jersey including building a retirement home for priests, and who’s father was a grand knight I say do not donate to the church. Dry up their funding and you will make them change their direction on this.

But also watch who your donation to United Way goes to.

Since Casa Juan Diego is a non-profit is there anyway we could find out who donates to them?

This picture of a law breaker needs one of my “Top Ten” list of captions. So here goes:

1) Mommy, why does President Bush hate us so much?

2) Mommy, thanks for sneaking into this country so I could become a US citizen.

3) Mommy, why can’t you just break the law, again?

4) Mommy, let’s call HELLary and give her a good photo op.

5) Mommy, can’t you just steal another identity?

6) Mommy, let’s just go back to Mexico. Everything is so great there.

7) Mommy, don’t the Dimwits need you as a registered voter?

Mommy, you would have thought the liberal media would help more.

9) Mommy, I’ll just wait until you sneak back into this country.

10) Mommy, why don’t you just call LULAC?

I hope everyone likes these.

By coming here illegally (and using the false SS info), then having a child, she knowingly placed that child in jeopardy of being separated from her at some point. This is tragic for the boy; he didn’t ask to be placed in this situation, but it’s on her.

#67 AZ

Good in theory, but it won’t happen.

People, things are too far gone. Go anywhere in Houston and you are the minority. Go to any mall or store, and you hear Spanish more than English.

The few who are fighting are losing and will lose in the end. Why? Money as usual. Businesses are catering to illegals. Government is catering to illegals. Schools are catering to illegals.

DJ was right.

Now, if you can’t beat them, join them. That is what the mentality is changing to, you see and hear it everywhere.

Faster

You can attack me personally all you want

Yes I confess I said I was the commanding general, the head of the CIA station here, personal friend of James Bond, and the Govenor, Dans Brother, Edds cousin and I it was I who invented the internet

Now that we have all that out of the way

Do(did) you have a point sir? we were having a discussion about a variety of topics one being I think the situation is sad you can disagree and you can be as ugly as you want to be about it if you wish

BTW you were inaccurate in your descriptions of my posts - let me add again

When you cool down and quite calling me all those christian consevative names

come back we can discuss - do you agree she is being punsihed? Or for you its not enough

Yep thats right her only crime was to come here and work

Hell we should strip her from her earthly belongings, strip away her children and force her to live in impoverished exile..

No wait we just did that….

71

Yep thats right her only crime was to come here and work

You’re kidding right? Her crimes were illegal entry into our country, after already being deported once for this same crime. She stole identity. Those are 2 crimes right there. Maybe there are more that we haven’t heard about. What about child abandonment?

70 Shakey - I get ticked when I go to the grocery store and see items that I used to be able to buy no longer on the shelf because that same shelf space is being used by items with the total label in Spanish. I don’t want Fabuloso detergent or spanish labeled Campbell’s soups, etc. Keep that junk at Fiesta. At least their name indicates what will be available.

dcgirl

And she’s being punished no?? Being seperated from her children, being sent into an impoverished exile is a cake walk?

Wow!

I made my call to ICE houston, the lady laughed and said she didn’t know anything about Casa Juan Diego, and put me through to an agent…… only it was a voice mail. I left my message I’ll call every day Eric you cannot exile a person to their own country, it’s called returning home….. DC girl we need to avoid feeding the troll…….. although I just did….. it’s hard to not!!

Bites tongue and smacks fingers not to reply…….

Eric, I think you come down on the side against that which the commenters here take just to get attention for yourself. If your position is “she just wanted to work, cut her a break for the multiple laws she broke and the multiple times she gave America the finger” you are worse than I thought. Headshaker won’t question your character, but I will.

Understand this: NOBODY STRIPPED THIS WOMAN FROM HER CHILDREN.

But also watch who your donation to United Way goes to.

I stopped donating to the United Way a long time ago, back when I realized they financed, among other things, abortion clinics…

Jimb

Thanks for questioning my character hey and even someone who disagreed with me as well but just wouldn’t call names for having an opinion that I think she’s being punished

Yes you are correct this is a day that justice has made we have stripped forced a woman to decide for a better life for her child, she is stripped of her worldly possessions, her clothes, her family heirlooms and she is being sent back to her “Home” country ironically most of us came from our home countries cause they were such great places to live in freedom now weren’t they?

“Being seperated from her children”

Poor thing… a trail of alligator tears? She is being sent to her OWN home. And no one says she can’t taker her kid that was created in Mexico and squeezed out here with her. She was deported and returned, defying the laws of this country twice, and a court. You pretend to be so enamoured with the rule of law, but cannot stomach enforcing it against an illegal alien. Why? You distort the truth, misrepresent what others say and have the gall to pretend to be offended.

“When you cool down and quite calling me all those christian consevative names”

Last night you were pretending jimb made a death threat against you. Eric, you are a hollow little man and if using your own rhetoric and words against you is calling you names, so be it. I just called you a hollow little man, the FIRST time I called you a name, BTW. I’m not mad, I’m laughing at you. You are not nearly as significant as you give yourself credit for. What’s the beef against Christians, anyway? You like to call others a hypocrite a lot, but are above reproach yourself. Eric, the CENCOM warrior…. I am not perfect, my relationship with God is between He and I. Yours is not is between you and God. I never questoined your faith, but your loyalties to this country. I still do and the noise coming from you doesn’t dissuade any of my beliefs.

Here’s your post from last night:

#401 Bannable Lecturer Says:
August 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

Jimb

I was refering to something Marc said to HS ans Smacktle

I suggest that you are just ignorant. You think I am EVIL??? look at yourself first. I pity you. Look over todays Shakey statements. They speak for themselves, Yours also. Get a life. See you tomorrow, God willing.

Just another christian doing the work of the Lord hoping someone isnt dead again

Geez louise

I’m done with you.

“If somebody thinks they’re a hedgehog, presumably you just give ‘em a mirror and a few pictures of hedgehogs and tell them to sort it out for themselves.”
-Douglas Adams

OKAY GUYS, TIME TO TONE IT DOWN. LST MODERATOR

But I know what’s happening. The Catholic Church sees revitalization and big dollars in Illegal Immigration. That’s why they support it and Elvira.

Are you kidding?

Go to the social services office of any parish in town, and ask about the net cash flow from illegal aliens.

That is:

Illegal aliens’ contributions, less the value of services provided to them.

If you can find any parish where that number is greater than zero, I’ll eat my hat.

Hopefully the tax status of this “church” is also under review. It’s time to clean out the entire underground railroad, not just a few high profile criminals if they are serious - which of course we know they are not.

Actually, she got off easy. As BL points out (#43), she committed a felony by using a false SS number. She could have been tossed in prison for years. Instead, we just deported here, so she will be back any time. /whoosh. There she is now.

Unfortunately, BL makes flat out false statements in #55 when BL says her only crime was to come here and work! Just 12 posts after BL said she had committed a felony!

BL is logic-challenged and not credible. Why do you people take the bait from a goofy provocateur?

#81 Matt

It’s not about present dollars, it’s about future dollars.

Look at the big picture my son.

How have generations of Mexicans been born with no desire to improve their homeland? Did they remove the ” make my country better ” gene? I’m curious why, after sneaking into the USA, and seeing how this life is, they wouldn’t want to duplicate it there.

EPJ is singlehandedly converting the entire LST community to magnum Headshaking status with this thread.

#31 BigJolly

We do not have to track down every report of someone running from a job site when a helicopter flies over. We also do not need to go on television and beg people to return to work and school and promise them that that ICE will not deport them if they do.

Personally I think we should paint ICE in really large letters on several Helicoters and fly them over job sites on a regular basis. When they get used to the flights then real agents need to show up and deport all of the ILLEGAL workers.

81

They go well with a nice bbq sause

Matt, would you also think that anyone seeking parish services probably receives more in services than in contributions?

Also, Medicare, Social Security, welfare could this probably also be the case that the moneys are collected from the top 10% of taxpayers and distributed to the lower 50%

I was curious

56.

The Church is getting rich off illegals? How? That’s comic relief, right?

88. You are just plain wrong. Many, many, many people donate far more to the church than the cost of any services they use.

Where do you get your information?

84.

Future dollars? What, do you have some insight that the wages for dishwashers and grass cutters are due to skyrocket?

Lawrence

I just though the woman was being punished enough, the though of enjoying seeing a give me your tired your poor being sent home without her child was nothing to be doing victory laps about

that was it

#92 Rick

So you’re saying that the Catholic Church is not actively courting the Hispanic community and has no interest in increasing its membership with Hispanics?

#85. They must have Duplication Dyslexia - the need to move to a another country and recreate/convert it to the country they came from. It won’t be long and the APA, AMA, etc. will establish this syndrome as compensable disability.

“being sent home without her child”

She’s leaving the kid here, she CAN take him with her.

Another distortion.

96

Would you leave a child here with relatives so the kid could grow up in America, safer, better educated, have the dream she had or would you want an American citizen to go into certain poverty and exploitation?

Thats the decision she had to make

My question is why do we allow this to happen, hasent she proven like Abraham that she’s willing to give up her child?

My gosh what have we come too?

Is there no pound of flesh that will solve this for some people - think man think - isn’t she being punished enough - isn’t this sad enough for you?

The richest man in the world is in Mexico.

Seems like there’s opportunity down there.

I was recently in Mexico City; it was bustling. They have a strip of road that rivals Rodeo Drive.

So, why are they all coming here?

#79

most of us came from our home countries cause they were such great places to live in freedom now weren’t they?

I was born here and so were my relatives for the last 350 years. However, the ones that did come (legally I might add) here from other countries were interested, yes in bettering themselves, but they also pledged allegiance to their new land, worked hard with no handouts, fought and died for this country, and did not commit crimes. Little bit of difference there, no?

As I understand it she left her son with a lawyer, stranger who is part of the ” make the USA, mexico” crowd. She didn’t leave him with Aunti Lucia.

Sometimes it’s just hell to deal with the consequences of our own actions. Some might call that personal responsibility, but I don’t think that is PC anymore.

If Mexico (and other countries the illegals come from) are so horrible, why do they continue to try to make America into it? Wouldn’t they want to dissolve their allegiance to those horrible countries? Wouldn’t they want to embrace all that is American? No. They are here for the buck to send home and to exploit their children. She didn’t bring him here for a better life. She squeezed him out here at the last minute in order to make her own better. She is using her child. She doesn’t care about him other than what his “anchor baby” status can get her. She left him here in order to further her cause that she be allowed to stay illegally. And Mexico has plenty of money. If the people would stay there and demand the corruption to end, maybe then they wouldn’t be in such a hurry to come here. But, then again, they enjoy stealing from us and laughing at us while giving us the finger. If they want to come here to better themselves, they need to do it LEGALLY!

101

Rastus

I agree with you 100%

But I think the situation is sad and this person is famous this is going on countless times right now families seperating for the American dream

I just can’t rejoice in the “justice” of it

#97

She was sent home once after being caught breaking the LAWS of the U.S. She returned ILLEGALLY, 8+ months Pregnant, so sge could have a kid in the U.S. in order to have shallow thinkers gush over her and tell everyone how insensitive we are when we send a felon back to her own home country.

She was not stripped of her son, she left him behind. She has been flaunting the laws of the U.S. for years for her own personal gain. We should have sent her to prison before sending her home. If she ever shows up here again I hope we do.

Eric - trl3 has a point. She could have been sent to prison (and should have and then deported when she got out). How many women have committed crimes that could be said that was to further their economic outlook and were sent to prison, separating them from their children? Do we excuse all crimes if the felon says it was “for the children”?

#103

What part ILLEGAL do you not understand?

She came here pregnant as part of a plan to try to force the U.S. to accept her. She left without the Kid in order to gain sympathy from people like you. If there were Justice we would not allow people like her to flaunt the laws of this country.

I think this troll will get pudgy if we keep feeding him…… and trolls don’t take kindly to facts.

dcGirl

Spend tax dollars on sending someone to prison for WORKING?

So sign you up for how many pounds?

What is so hard to understand about this issue,\

1) someone came into this country ILLEGALLY and was caught convicted and sent home.
2) she comes back later again ILLEGALLY and this time pregnant and has a kid here.

3) she is caught and convicted of identity theft and illegal entry again… ( seems like 3 strikes to me)
and now she is hiding behind sanctuary. If she had been a citizen in California, ( a liberal state) she would have had her kid taken away from her. she would be in prison for life… At least she had the opportunity to take her child home, but she and the other “enlightend” feel good people decide that since the kid is a “citizen” he should stay here and be separated from his family. All this is doing is giving her more incentive to try to come back again illegally.

One thing that would have made this issue really easy to fix is the elimination of the anchor baby provision we have in our citizenship laws. I believe we are the only country that allows non-citizens to have children here and bestow upon them citizenship.

trl3

The poor who try to work hard and raise a family will always have my sympathy

condemn me as you will

Bweldon

One thing that would have made this issue really easy to fix is the elimination of the anchor baby provision we have in our citizenship laws. I believe we are the only country that allows non-citizens to have children here and bestow upon them citizenship.

How many died for the 14th amendment?

So do we repeal it for just the browns? What about the non-browns?

#110 BL

No one is arguing that we shouldn’t have sympathy for hard-working people.

But you can’t have sympathy for someone who works hard and knowingly breaks the law for their own benefit.

If that were the case, then a lot of people in prison wouldn’t be there right now, and breaking the law for “good reasons” would create chaos. It makes no sense.

#111, there is a big difference between someone who is a legal immigrant here having a child and some one who is illegal.

Right now we give anyone who is born on our soil citizenship, regardless of their parents status. That is wrong. If someone enters the country in the proper manner, I have no problem with their children being citizens, because the majority of those people will either work toward citizenship themselves, or will maintain proper LEGAL immigration status.

Bannable:

So you support letting every felon in prison out as long as he said he committed his/her crime for his children.

Or just how much crime are you willing to accept from any one person, for the children of course?

Why are we even arguing about this?

She knowingly broke the law, more than once. She was punished, rightfully so. She probably got off easy.

Personally, I think she became a pawn for several special interests groups, including the Catholic Church. Someone gave her bad advice for their own self-serving interests.

Everyone knows who bannable is and how he acts, However if we state it plain language we end up with a “DELETED”.

Elvira has no objection to the country whose laws made her son a legal citizen.
She has no qualms with leaving him in that country, away from her, his mother.
Yet she finds fault with laws pertaining to identity theft and deportation.
So what are you really saying, Elvira?</