I walked into the living room of an elderly relative earlier this evening. She is 85 yrs old and thinks Keith Olberman is the livin’ end. There is no other channel but MSNBC for her even though there are hundreds available to her. At any rate, there was some MSNBC show interviewing a hot-looking chick representing “Strippers for Ron Paul”. I kid you not ! I don’t know what she said because I fell down on the sofa laughing.

Said elderly relative has confirmed in her mind I am one crazy Texan. It may well be the most significant sign yet of the impending Apocalypse, but it was damned sure funny.

I am an Army Veteran as well, I think that Ron Paul is the only candidate that is willing to go into the real causes of these conflicts. “They hate our freedom” is a 3rd grade answer to a problem that is extremely complicated involving religion, oil, money, business interests, and loads of other factors. He was against the foolish interventions in the Balkans in the 1990’s and he was absolutely right then, and he refused to be afraid and vote for these never-ending wars after 9/11. He is the only candidate that is thinking with his head and not reacting with emotion to the things that happen.

In march I lost my best friend in this foolish war. He is the 4th person that I have known that has died in Iraq since 2003. It is time for this madness to stop. Ron Paul is the only one who seems to care, or to see that.

I thank this sargeant for his service, and respect his opinion……..especially since he fights so we can vote. However, a President isn’t a dictator. I don’t think he could get much accomplished as President. He would need some cooperation from somebody.

I thank Sgt. Sanders for his service to keep this country safe and free. Merely saying “thank you” seems dreadfully inadequate when we reflect on the sacrifice he an his compatriots have made and continue to make.

Ron Paul is not my candidate, Fred Thompson is. But this difference of opinion freely expressed is a major blessing of living in this country. This blessing is to be cherished and preserved.

I join with everyone else to thank SGT Kyle Sanders, and Jason43, for their service. But I must disagree that the wars we are currently engaged in are “3rd grade answers”. On the contrary, I think Paul’s isolationism to a world full of forces attempting to align in one common goal, our destruction, is a very naive position. They didn’t start attacking us because of the first Gulf war as RP suggests. This has been going on for decades. They don’t stop when we pull out of the middle east. Reagan tried that in Lebanon and nothing changed. Islamists have made it perfectly clear what their goal is and it doesn’t matter whether we have troops in the middle east. They want nothing less than the total conversion of the world to Islam.

UPDATE to my #1 / Strippers for Ron Paul

Thanks to Nick Gillespie, editor-in-chief of Reason Magazine, we have the YouTube record of the Strippers for Ron Paul interview from yesterday. You can’t say politics aren’t fun in America.

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/122222.html

The invasion of Iraq was based on the manufactured lies that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. The invasion was not supported by the UN. This has isolated the United States more than anything else. Hundreds of thousands have died in this war which is barbaric and has nothing to do with 9-11 and nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction and everything to do with American oil interests. Thank-you Kyle for speaking up!

First, I want to say thank you SGT Kyle Sanders and Jason43. Your service to your country is appreciated beyond words.

Second, I have to agree with hamous. Ron Paul seems naive and ineffectual to me. Which of his controversial stands has made a difference? He is against pork spending and votes against it, but has no problem adding pork to bills. Can anyone name me a bill that passed that Ron Paul spear headed?

…and everything to do with American oil interests.

Yep, that Iraq oil is just flooding the markets. We’re literally swimming in it!

Hundreds of thousands have died in this war…

Try less than 100,000. More hyperbole.

…manufactured lies that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

You can keep lying the lie about lies but it doesn’t make it less a lie.

Go Kyle Sanders and Go Ron Paul!

Sweet!

hamous, I hope you can understand that Ron Paul’s foreign policy is *not* isolationism. It is non-interventionism, as suggested by our founders. That means we talk with countries, we negotiate with them, and we trade with them, but we do not engage in pre-emptive, offensive war.

A long time ago, we declared war in defense of our national security. Then we relaxed the standard to “national interest”. Now we don’t even bother to distinguish between “national interest” and “corporate interest”.

Our interventionism, besides bankrupting us, serves nothing but corporate interests and interferes with our own independence. If oil companies couldn’t rely on the implicit backing of the US military and taxpayer, do you think they would stil be willing to make massive capital investments in unstable countries? And what do we get for their investments, that are protected and subsidized with our blood and money? A prolonged addiction to foreign oil, and lack of investment in sustainable alternatives that the free market would otherwise provide.

I’d recommend you read The Seven Sisters by Anthony Samson if you’d like to learn more. Or more recently, check out Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, by John Perkins.

That’s just the economic argument. There’s no question that our struggle against islamofascism is the defining struggle of this generation. But can we fight fire with fire? Should we be fighting with a military offense, and an economic defense of sanctions and trade restrictions?

Our enemies are nurtured in impoverished and often illterate environments, and become extremists whose hate is whipped into a frenzy by their local mullah who has discovered that the key to his mosque’s relevance and economic survival is the devoted attention and offerings of his followers. These mullahs have discovered that identifying a common enemy and stirring up hate is an effective recruiting tool. And to the extent that our own actions reinforce the mullahs’ rantings, and justify their paranoid fantasies, the philosophy of extremist islamofascism will continue to grow.

Can we genocidally exterminate the entire “race” of islamofascists? That seems impractical, if not morally reprehensible. Should we defend ourselves? Of course. Ron Paul is absolutely in favor of a strong national DEFENSE, and secure borders.

But how can we win the “war”? Ron Paul’s rational philosophy is that of the founders: win with military DEFENSE and economic OFFENSE, as opposed to our currrent (failed) strategy of military offense and economic defense.

Education and self-empowered (not subsidized) economic development that allows prosperity is the only way we can break the grip of islamofascism on its enslaved population. Killing only reinforces the paranoia and mistrust, and for every “head” we cut off, the hydra will grow many more to replace it.

We’ve been pursuing a seemingly expedient short term strategy in the Middle East for a long time. Please, count the costs of this war in terms of dollars spent, lives lost, and its impact on our enemies. To the extent that we are perceived as an occupier and oppressor, we will prolong and further internsify the struggle.

Perhaps Thomas Paine said it best: “He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”

bhday, sorry but I don’t buy the “9/11 was our fault” line. The free world has tried the “Peace in our time” Neville Chamberlain method of foreign policy before. All that got us was 72 million dead.

# 12 Hamous,

I didn’t see the phrase or implication that “9/11 was our fault” in bhday’s post. (perhaps I read it too quickly)

Does Chamberlain’s “appeasement” policy = our founder’s non-interventionist mindset?

#11 bhday,

Well said.

11.

Please, we can have a debate on this, but don’t give us the disingenuous line that RP’s is a military isolationist. I heard him on the Michael Medved program this week. I heard what he had to say about not having troops in other places. I heard his naivete about how we helped provoke 911.

Ron Paul may be a traditionalist in terms of “non-intervention.” What that means, unfortuantely, is that he is an anachronism who would be a disaster in modern times.

14.

The end of the first sentence should have said “that RP is not a military isolationist.”

13. little mike

Would you throw Israel to the wolves? Would you abandon the former Soviet bloc countries trying to emerge from the shadow of their former oppression?

And just how does that make us safer?

That’s turn of the century thinking; saidly that century turned 107 years ago.

Hmm, perhaps the distinction between Dr. Paul’s view of noninterventionism and isolationism is pretty foggy for most of us.

Is the course of action to bring home all the fleets, planes, and troops from around the world? Then raise the drawbrige, lower the portcullis, and loose the moat monsters? Wouldn’t that crimp free trade?

#13 little mike, that is Ron Paul’s assertion. Since it is obvious that bhday is an avid supporter I assume it is his position too. RickG is right on. Pauls foreign policy is 19th century. Heck he even wants to go after terrorists using Letters of Marque and Reprisal. It is in his pocket Constitution, after all.

11 - What is Ron Paul’s opinion of our military involvement in Afghanistan? Does he (and Libertarians in general) consider going after the Taliban and AQ in Afghanistan defensive or offensive?

On the issue of “9/11 is our fault”, I think there has to be some room for critical self-examination of our actions in the world over the last 50 - 100 years. This is not blaming the victim or unpatriotic. I think it’s perfectly healthy to say “hmm, 50 years ago we did X, supported dictator Y, because it looked like it was in our interest, but it seems to have come back to bite us in the a**. How might we do things differently in the future, to still support our interests but with different consequences?” I think you can do that and still militarily go after individuals or groups that actively trying to kill you. It’s not either/or; we can do both.

Hamous said:
“I think Paul’s isolationism to a world full of forces attempting to align in one common goal, our destruction, is a very naive position. They didn’t start attacking us because of the first Gulf war as RP suggests. This has been going on for decades.”

First of all, Dr. Paul is NOT an isolationist. He is a non-interventionist in foreign affairs. You know, exactly like our Founders warned us to be.
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/49.htm
Dr. Paul is an strong advocate of free trade, so that doesn’t exactly equate to isolationism. He believes we should talk to other nations, trade with them and if attacked, we should actually declare war (for a change) and go in with the troops that are needed from the very beginning and win it, decisively and quickly. Then, come home again and resume talking and trading. I guess it depends upon whether you believe our military should be used for our own national defense, or whether they should be used to carry out UN sanctions/police the world. I believe in the former. How about you?

There are in fact some people who want to do us harm and we need to go after those people. The people who attacked us on 9-11 are in Pakistan, by the way, not Iraq. Yet, here we are in Iraq, while our attackers are sitting in Pakistan and have rebuilt. What’s more, we give aid to the country who is housing them. Dr. Paul was behind us going into Afghanistan, but for some reason, our government chose to lose focus on our enemy, and divert attention to attacking a country who had nothing to do with 9-11 and overthrow Saddam, who as distasteful as he was, was a sworn enemy of our enemy, Al Qaeda, and also served as a *stop* against Iran. No, Cheney had it right all the way back in ‘94 when he warned that overthrowing Iraq would lead to a quagmire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

Now, we STILL need to go after our enemy in Pakistan, but instead of starting yet another war with a country, perhaps we should use a pinpoint tactical strike, rather than a sledgehammer. That is why Dr. Paul recommended we use a Letter of Marque and Reprisal to in essence put a bounty on bin Laden’s head. That way, those in Pakistan and surrounding areas who have much better intelligence regarding his location, than clearly we do, would have an incentive to dispose of this unsavory chap.
http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/07/wise-not-wacky.html

“They didn’t start attacking us because of the first Gulf war as RP suggests. This has been going on for decades.”

We have had a foreign policy of interventionism for over 50 years and that is what Dr. Paul has stressed. Remember way back when Mossadegh was Iraq’s President. It was our government who chose to overthrow him and put the Shah in power. (Operation AJAX) THAT is what gave rise to the militant islamics. So, yes, we have been at this intervening in other country’s affairs for quite awhile. The question that needs to be asked and answered is, has it served our national security well? I would say no, that it has not.

Adee,

Why do we need military stationed around the world to conduct FREE TRADE? I mean, seriously. Free trade is when someone has a good that they want to sell for a price, and the buyer agrees to pay it. Oil is about all the Middle East has to sell. Why on earth would they stop selling it to us?

well put Kyle!

Go RP!!

Typo…

Mossadegh was IRAN’s President.

I always find it curious when people still seem to buy what the MSM is selling. Namely that Dr. Paul somehow blamed Americans for 9-11. No, the only people who used those words were pundits like Sean Hannity who wanted to leave that impression in your minds. Dr. Paul said our foreign policy of intervening in other countries affairs over the last 50 years led to anti-Americanism (ie. blowback), that culiminated in the islamo-nutjobs attacking us. It in no way justifies their actions.

If we want to be successful in defeating our enemy, perhaps we should first understand what is motivating them first, eh? Warfare 101. Then, armed with that information, perhaps we should also consider whether our foreign policy is actually helping or *hurting* our national security.

The second thing I find more than curious, is that some people seem to think Dr. Paul dreamed up what he said about our foreign policy when he did nothing of the sort. What he said came straight out of the 911 commission report, CIA Intelligence, books by numerous foreign policy experts, such as Robert A. Pape and Chalmers Johnson, the Chief of the CIA’s bin Laden Unit, Michael Scheuer and even Paul Wolfowitz.

Here’s the question I have for you. Why is it that our media is not telling you this?

CLIFF’S NOTES FOR RUDY

“His [bin Laden’s] rhetoric selectively draws from multiple sources — Islam, history, and the region’s political and economic malaise. He also stresses grievances against the United States widely shared in the Muslim world. He inveighed against the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam’s holiest sites. He spoke of the suffering of the Iraqi people as a result of sanctions imposed after the Gulf War…”– 9/11 Commission Report, pages 48-49

“There are a lot of things that are different now [after the invasion of Iraq], and one that has gone by almost unnoticed — but it’s huge — is that by complete mutual agreement between the US and the Saudi government we can now remove almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It’s been a huge recruiting device for al-Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so- called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina. I think just lifting that burden from the Saudis is itself going to open the door to other positive things.”– Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Vanity Fair, May 2003

“One of the greatest dangers for Americans in deciding how to confront the Islamist threat lies in continuing to believe — at the urging of senior U.S. leaders — that Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than for what we do. The Islamic world is not so offended by our democratic system of politics, guarantees of personal rights and civil liberties, and separation of church and state that it is willing to wage war against overwhelming odds in order to stop Americans from voting, speaking freely, and praying, or not, as they wish.”– Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA’s bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 8

“We assume, moreover, that bin Laden and the Islamists hate us for our liberty, freedoms, and democracy — not because they and many millions of Muslims believe U.S. foreign policy is an attack on Islam or because the U.S. military now has a ten-year record of smashing people and things in the Islamic world.”– Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA’s bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 165

“The U.S. invasion of Iraq is Osama bin Laden’s gift from America, one he has long and ardently desired, but never realistically expected.”– Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA’s bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 213

“Although suicide terrorism is virtually always a response to foreign occupation, only some occupations lead to this result. Suicide terrorism is most likely when the occupying power’s religion differs from the religion of the occupied, for three reasons. A conflict across a religious divide increases fears that the enemy will seek to transform the occupied society; makes demonization, and therefore killing, of enemy civilians easier; and makes it easier to use one’s own religion to relabel suicides that would otherwise be taboo as martyrdom instead.”– Robert A. Pape, Dying to Win, page 22

“An attempt to transform Muslim societies through regime change is likely to dramatically increase the threat we face. The root cause of suicide terrorism is foreign occupation and the threat that foreign military presence poses to the local community’s way of life. … Even if our intentions are good, anti-American terrorism would likely grow, and grow rapidly.”– Robert A. Pape, Dying to Win, page 245

“The suicidal assassins of September 11, 2001 did not ‘attack America,’ as political leaders and news media in the United States have tried to maintain; they attacked American foreign policy. Employing the strategy of the weak, they killed innocent bystanders, whose innocence is, of course, no different from that of the civilians killed by American bombs in Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.”– Chalmers Johnson, Blowback, page XV

“The term ‘blowback,’ which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of ‘terrorists’ or ‘drug lords’ or ‘rogue states’ or ‘illegal arms merchants’ often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations.”– Chalmers Johnson, Blowback, page 8

Mossadegh was elected to the Iranian Parliament and appointed by the Shah to be Prime Minister. After several unconstitutional acts including dissolution of the parliament to avoid impeachment the Shah dismissed him. He didn’t go and eventually was overthrown by a US and British-funded coup. Reza Pahlavi was already the Shah before Mossadegh came to power and returned to power after he was overthrown.

#8 duhmoose,

Apparently the Ron Paul folks missed your question but I’ll answer it for them.

The good Dr. has not authored and passed a single piece of substantive legislation. Nor has he accomplished anything while in office for over 18 years except to be re-elected. Hope this helps.

I always find it curious when people still seem to buy what the MSM is selling. Namely that Dr. Paul somehow blamed Americans for 9-11.

It’s not the MSM selling it. It comes from Paul’s own mouth. I watched the South Carolina debate and he said it. No amount of spin can change that, no matter how voluminous your comments are. Unless you’re suggesting the debate was doctored by the MSM.

the seminar posters are out today.

Ron Paul is as wise man. Remember when Mr.. Miyagi said “karate is for defense only” Now, America should take a lesson and be more humble like Daniel son, defense only. Unfortunately we have become more like the rich blond Johnny character who suffers from a hormonal imbalance, kicking anyone’s a$$ who gets in his way. In real life the Blond DELETED wins!

I hope someday people around the world start to realize that peace is possible, for a world without peace is a world without hope.

Give peace a chance.

Dear hamous,

Your comment is heinous. Ron Paul has NEVER, EVER “blamed Americans for 9/11.” You seem to want to believe that, though, which is disingenuous on your part. Please go back and listen to the debate again via youtube.

You’re wanting to put words into his mouth, a la Sean Hannity.

#26 bigjolly & #8 duhmoose, with respect to Ron Paul’s accomplishments while in office:

He has been the lone voice of reason in an elected government that has long ago abandoned even the smallest pretense of obeying the contract between our government and the people. (That would be the Constitution.)

Do I fault him for not “building consensus” and compromising as opposed to standing on principle? When the actions of those around him are at best misguided and at worst insane, I think not: http://bhday.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/why-we-need-president-ron-paul/

Before you put words in Rep. Paul’s mouth regarding economics and foreign policy, start reading: http://www.ronpaullibrary.org.

Unlike any other candidate I’ve ever seen, he has in that Web site at least a decade of consistent speeches, writings, and communications to constituents that explains the issues and his rationale on them in great detail. The man actually reads legislation before he votes, and in the process of documenting his actions, he has created a practical guide to implementing a Constitutional republic.

I didn’t start out a RP supporter, but grew into one through reading and fact-checking this body of work over a period of months.

And anyone who thinks that Ron Paul “blames America” (as in us, as individuals) for 9/11 is mistaken. It is our government’s misguided *foreign policies* have taken a bad situation, made it worse, and certainly contributed to 9/11. Again, those aren’t just his views. There are folks who study this stuff for a living and realize that actions and reactions occur even outside of high school physics lab. The poverty, religious extremism, and fanatical, suicidal nihilism in the Middle East has been with us for thousands of years. Yet we continue to pour gasoline on the flames, and wonder why those wacky Islamists don’t just settle down.

I agree strongly that we don’t need a military base in every country for free trade and diplomacy. We should be free to trade and invest overseas, but that decision should be based upon a rational risk/reward analysis instead of the implied guarantee that the US military and taxpayer watches the back of our corporations’ financial interests overseas. We just might be a bit more self-reliant for important things like energy and natural resources (and our use thereof) if we didn’t put corporate and special interests in front of true national security and individual liberty.

#31 Heinous? I did watch the video and that’s what he said. Would you like a transcript?

Want to know why none of RP’s bills have come to a vote? They do not serve the top 2%! Check them out!

Introduced
Aug 2, 2007 H.R. 3344: Treat Physicians Fairly Act of 2007
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Aug 2, 2007 H.R. 3343: Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act of 2007
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Aug 2, 2007 H.R. 3342: Freedom From Unnecessary Litigation Act of 2007
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Aug 2, 2007 H.R. 3341: To ensure and foster continued patient safety and quality of care by exempting health care professionals from the Federal antitrust laws in their negotiations with health plans and health insurance issuers.
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Aug 1, 2007 H.R. 3305: Anti-Terrorism Act of 2007
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Aug 1, 2007 H.R. 3304: Police Security Protection Act
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Aug 1, 2007 H.R. 3303: Public Safety Tax Cut Act
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Aug 1, 2007 H.R. 3302: Congressional Responsibility and Accountability Act
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Jul 27, 2007 H.R. 3217: Terror Immigration Elimination Act of 2007
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Jul 27, 2007 H.R. 3216: Marque and Reprisal Act of 2007
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Jun 15, 2007 H.R. 2756: Honest Money Act
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Jun 15, 2007 H.R. 2755: Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act
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Jun 15, 2007 H.R. 2754: Sunshine in Monetary Policy Act
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Jun 7, 2007 H.R. 2605: Sunset of Public Law 107-243 Act of 2007
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Jun 6, 2007 H.R. 2597: Sanctity of Life Act of 2007
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May 22, 2007 H.R. 2424: Citizens Protection Act of 2007
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May 21, 2007 H.R. 2415: Affordable Gas Price Act
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May 17, 2007 H.R. 2387: Parental Consent Act of 2007
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May 2, 2007 H.R. 2117: Health Freedom Protection Act
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May 1, 2007 H.R. 2096: Freedom to Bank Act
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Apr 17, 2007 H.R. 1899: Enhanced Options for Rural Health Care Act of 2007
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Apr 17, 2007 H.R. 1898: Child Health Care Affordability Act
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Apr 17, 2007 H.R. 1897: National Park Second Amendment Restoration and Personal Protection Act of 2007
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Mar 27, 2007 H.R. 1720: Agriculture Education Freedom Act
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Feb 16, 2007 H.R. 1146: American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2007
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Feb 15, 2007 H.R. 1096: Second Amendment Protection Act of 2007
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Feb 15, 2007 H.R. 1095: Taxpayers’ Freedom of Conscience Act of 2007
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Feb 15, 2007 H.R. 1094: Sanctity of Life Act of 2007
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Feb 14, 2007 H.R. 1060: Professional Educators Tax Relief Act of 2007
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Feb 14, 2007 H.R. 1059: Teacher Tax Cut Act of 2007
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Feb 14, 2007 H.R. 1058: Hope Plus Scholarship Act of 2007
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Feb 14, 2007 H.R. 1057: Education Improvement Tax Cut Act
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Feb 14, 2007 H.R. 1056: Family Education Freedom Act of 2007
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Feb 13, 2007 H.R. 1009: Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2007
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Jan 12, 2007 H.R. 457: Cures Can Be Found Act of 2007
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Jan 11, 2007 H.R. 424: To repeal the Military Selective Service Act.
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Jan 5, 2007 H.R. 300: We the People Act
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 220: Identity Theft Prevention Act of 2007
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 219: Social Security Preservation Act of 2007
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 195: Seniors’ Health Care Freedom Act of 2007
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 194: Prescription Drug Affordability Act
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 193: Make College Affordable Act of 2007
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 192: Social Security Beneficiary Tax Reduction Act
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 191: Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 190: Social Security for Americans Only Act of 2007
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Jan 23, 2007 H.Con.Res. 43: Expressing the sense of Congress that the President should implement Recommendation 9 of the Iraq Study Group Report.
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Jun 13, 2007 H.J.Res. 46: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
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Feb 7, 2007 H.J.Res. 23: Proposing an amendment the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.
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Jan 12, 2007 H.Res. 63: Amending the Rules of the House of Representatives to ensure that Members have a reasonable amount of time to read legislation that will be voted upon.

shawnyec, so basically what you’re saying is Ron Paul’s foreign policy can best be described as Wax on, Wax off Diplomacy? Got it. Oh, and war is not healthy for children and other living things.

You say “non-interventionist” and I say isolationist. Bottom line is it’s appeasement at any price. Thank God Americans aren’t buying this tripe.

hamous:

What dream world are you living in? Have you checked out straw poll results recently completed by the GOP in various states? What part of “American’s are buying his message” that you do not understand? Or are you in the “hide your head in the sand crowd” that still believes any true american patriot that follows RP stays on the computer 24/7 manipulating online polls?

#36 - based on the behavior of the RP Acolytes today here on this blog, I can easily envision them manipulating online polls…

wellhellno - We’ve proven here at LST the depth to which RP Acolytes will go to manipulate his support. Dream world? Show me any straw poll, not exit polls taken by RP Acolytes, where RP has won anything. Keep dreaming.

The choice is: freedom or slavery. individual liberty of collectivsm. CFR or independent statesman. Get educated on the CFR. They are building the NAU via the SPP, NAFTA, CAFTA and coming FTAA and LOST. Ron Paul is not owned by the CFR and opposes the bankers with closing the money window at the Fed and the unconstitutional IRS. Ron Paul is the only hope for our nation to return to a semblance of a constitutional republic. Any other candidate belongs to CFR as does all of the Dhimmicrat candidates. The lies about blame America and isolationism are tools of the CFR and their lackeys. Dr. Paul will seal the borders and stop the anchor baby abuse of the 14th Amendment.
Sgt. Sanders knows a patriot when he sees one. We dont have much time to wake up the sheeple. Now is the time. Ron Paul is the man.
Do your homework.

I have a lot of respect for some of the RP supporters I’ve met here. They seem to be reasoned, sane people. But seriously, some of you folks are downright cultish. It’s freaky!

OK, how about the most recent! Please keep in mind to participate in a straw poll the vote has to be manually entered at an actual voting site (not through a computer).

Ron Paul wins NH straw poll
Just like Alabama poll, he won it in a landslide with a huge lead over Romney who took 2nd.

The significance of straw polls can be debated back and forth, but what can’t be argued is the fact that Mitt Romney received lavish coverage from the media after his success in Iowa - despite the fact that the Iowa straw poll has historically proven to be meaningless - yet Paul’s victory in Alamaba and New Hampshire was met with muted dismissal.

P.S.:

There is even a international support network building for RP, does your candidate have that? Just curious, who is your candidate?

If the race was on a level playing field and the establishment media afforded as much attention to Ron Paul’s success as they gave Mitt Romney after the Iowa straw poll, the Texas Congressman’s campaign would be given unstoppable momentum, which is why at every turn the press have sought to dismiss, ridicule and ignore the only Constitutional candidate on the roster - Congressman Ron Paul.

You know it just struck me that it must just be killing the Libertarian Party that Ron Paul is getting all of this run, but as usual, they can’t even get a sniff… hahaha.

“But seriously, some of you folks are downright cultish. It’s freaky!”

I have been to this website twice now and it is hamous, bigjolly, textpat, and jimb spending all day spinning RP positions (ie. isolation vs. non intervention). FREAKY!!!

The facts are out there for all to see. Shallow, non-thinking accusations, such as cultish, indicate an unwillingness to look for the truth. Read up on Robert Pastor, and others who are quite clear about their intent to make sovereign nation states a thing of the past. Incrementalism is the tactic to marginalize the Constitution via international bureaucracy, legal precedent and international law. Step back from your rose colored neocon glasses and see that Ron Paul is the only man standing against the leviathan of the federal government. Smedley Butler described the military industrial complex only too well. It is still in place, and Ron Paul sees it and says he will do something about it. For this he is smeared with labels of isolationist, etc. Wake up people. Your candidate is owned by the CFR. They are afraid of Ron Paul.

JohnRH:

Well that sure was an intelligent contribution to this message board, NOT!

21 NKK.

We don’t need the military stationed all over the world to engage in free trade. Calling everybody and everything military home is merely fulfilling isolationism. But exchanging goods kinda can be slowed down if all those planes and ships have to be maneuvered around to get to the docks or airports. Gotta put ‘em someplace unless you want to sell some of them off.

#44 ajtdonahue,

What did I do? I merely pointed out that he hasn’t been able to accomplish anything in over 18 years in the legislature. That makes me a freak?

I join with others in thanking SGT Sanders for his service to the country. However, I believe SGT Sanders is violating AR 600-20, to wit:

Prohibited activities:
Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles signed or authorized by the member to solicit votes for or against a partisan political party or candidate.

I know he swore to defend the Constitution. He also is required to abide by Army regulations.

39.

You forgot about Skull & Bones, the Bildebergers, the Freemasons, the Illuminati, Mossad, and KAOS.

By the way, this week Paul was on the Michael Medved show. Most of the show he was pleasant and coherent, though showing how far out of the mainstream he is on those certain topics. Then, he made the mistake of mentioning his NAU nonsense. Medved cross-examined him - ie, asked for specifids and proof - and Paul turned into a stuttering fool. He had no answers, and no proof. He even tried to mislead Medved about money having been appropriated for the fictional superhighway, and Medved, knowing the issues, called him on it. The “Honorable” Dr. Paul had to back down. He wouldn’t mislead, would he? Ha!

41.

There is even a international support network building for RP, does your candidate have that?

I hope not. I want my presidential candidate selected by US citizens, not the French or the U.N. Sounds like something John Kerry would approve of, though.

42.

the only Constitutional candidate on the roster - Congressman Ron Paul.

Gosh, I was beginning to think we’d never get there.

49.

Uh-oh, didn’t mean to get him in trouble. Just tipping my hat to him.

49.

Then again, I’m not sure he’s still active. He didn’t tell me he was STILL in the service, so he may not be violating anything.

There is even a international support network building for RP, does your candidate have that?

You heard it here first, folks, straight from a RP Acolyte! RP is part of the NWO!

Alabama Straw Poll - Ron Paul wins in a landslide with 81% of the votes. Romney, his closest rival only received 5.3%. Indeed a success! He walked away with it. Let’s check the numbers to see how many are responsible this unprecedented win:

Paul 216
Romney 14
Hunter 10
Thompson 9
Giuliani 7
Huckabee 6
McCain 2
Brownback 2
Tancredo 0
Cox 0

266 people voted! Yessirree! The earth is trembling with such support.

53.

That’s why he denounces it so loudly - to throw us off the scent.

Well maybe the good folks of New Hampshire, who take their politics seriously, turned out in record numbers. Paul won there with 78% of the votes.

Out of 286 votes cast:

Ron - 208 (73%)
Romney - 26
Huckabee - 20
Tancredo - 8
McCain - 7
Cox - 5
Hunter - 5
Fred Thompson - 3
Giuliani - 3
Brownback - 1

Wooo hooo! 286 votes! Boy howdy, he’s taking the country by storm!

How exactly are the Ron Paul supporters being cultish? I have only seen a nice discussion with talking points being backed up by both sides…just because a politician gets people excited with his message and ideas does not make them a cult. Are we passionate? Sure, thats why he has the grassroots envy of every other politician running, they wish they had the groundswell of “internet” support Ron Paul has.

Sure he is far from perfect, but this isn’t really about him, he doesn’t want the power of the President, he wants YOU to have the power and it certainly would be a rough few years if he did get elected, as we have become so dependent on the government we the people probably couldn’t handle the responsibility of being the ultimate check on ALL forms of government, as we were intended to be.

I live in San Francisco and there is a tremendous amount of support out here that keeps growing and growing, all done without the help of his campaign. It’s democracy in action and its beautiful to watch evolve. And thanks to Mr. Paul we have a nice little group of folks who will be a nice voting block by the time the elections come around.

Anyways nice conversation, but by attacking the people trying to have a discussion as “cultish” makes your points appear small to any distinguished reader.

For all you intelligent and sane Ron Paul supporters out there I have a suggestion for you. Take it or leave it, it’s free. If you want to garner support for your candidate do not send out the freaks, however eloquent and well-spoken, to try and convince others how popular RP is based on landslide victories of 80+ % in straw polls when less than 300 people voted in them. It really doesn’t help your cause.

#35 hamous, what Americans *are* buying at this point is a one-way ticket to international bankruptcy court. Looks like Bush is asking for another $50 billion to fund the war (http://digg.com/politics/Bush_Wants_50_Billion_More_for_Iraq_War) — anyone want to pass the hat? Maybe we can pass it to China:
http://bhday.wordpress.com/2007/08/29/david-walker-speaks-truth-to-powerless/

Buy hey, anything to avoid “appeasement”. What does that mean, anyway? How is defending our national *security* and the borders of our nation appeasement? How is a targeted, Constitutional retaliation against the Osama Bin Laden for 9/11 appeasement?

If Bush was going to place that $50 billion as a bounty on Osama’s head, we might have something to celebrate. But instead we get to thank our servicemen and women (along with our $9 trillion deficit) that gas is back under $3/gallon this summer.

Yeah, I don’t get too wrapped up in the 300 person straw-polls…and sure there are some real weirdos backing my man Ron Paul, but then you’d be hard pressed to find a more off the wall voting block than the evangelicals.

Long, live weirdos, evangelicals and liberty

#59 bhday, in case you forgot, Bush and the Congress have had a $50M bounty on Bin Laden’s head (or in RP Acolyte speak should I say “Tom Osman”) for a number of years. But there’s no need to divert attention from the discussion of RP to Bush. You won’t find many Bush supporters here.

#61 hamous, but $50 million is chump change compared to $50 billion. But maybe if we paid in euros…

If you read one more thing today, I’d suggest this blog post:

http://www.chrisbrunner.com/2006/05/15/the_real_reason_the_u_s_invaded_iraq/

Quite enlightening. Get ready for the draft so we can bring the heat to Iran!

What’s in *your* wallet?

RickG:

Your speculation he is not active may be correct; I can’t tell from the research I’ve done. However, he identifies himself as SGT Kyle Sanders. Not typical if you’re a civilian. Also, at the end of the first paragraph:

It is our duty as armed service members to keep that oath.

Certainly implies (to me anyway) that he is active.
I’m not trying to get him in trouble. I just don’t think he should be using his position to endorse Ron Paul! (or anyone else).

bhday, I’ll read it, but I must say I’m immediately skeptical when he starts off:

Before I begin, I’d like to state a few things. Firstly, I’m not at all a fan of conspiracy theories or tinfoil hats…

But I’ll read it.

64 hamous, thanks for reading and doing your own research. While it’s over a year old, it looks more prescient by the day.

If you’re planning a trip to Europe, better do it soon. The dollar isn’t getting any stronger given our current trajectory.

64.

Yeah, that would immediately start my BS meter to a’ clickin’.

You forgot about Skull & Bones, the Bildebergers, the Freemasons, the Illuminati, Mossad, and KAOS.

Ooh, what about SPECTRE?

63.

Fair enough.

Hamous says Iraq death toll is less than 100,000. Depends on who you believe. George Bush said last december it was 30,000. At team of
American and Iraqi epidemiologists estimates that 655,000 more people have died in Iraq since coalition forces arrived in March 2003. See:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

#69 - a study that has been thoroughly debunked. And I was not basing my numbers on Bush’s, but on this:

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Some of you guys keep trying to make this a “Yeah, but look what Bush did/said” issue. We’re talking about Ron Paul here.

hamous:

#53

“There is even a international support network building for RP, does your candidate have that?”

As usual you took my comment out of text and turned it into a hidden agenda to further the NWO’s goals. I was merely implying sane/civil people in the EU, Australia and Far East dearly want to love and respect our country again and clearly see it will take a person like RP to repair the damage done in all of our names. How much do you get paid to bash RP on a pro RP chat forum?

Dr. Paul will seal the borders and stop the anchor baby abuse of the 14th Amendment.

And cure cancer, and pay off the national debt in 1 year, and send another man to the moon, and come over and sweep and mop your floors, too!

All without the help of Congress. Right.

How much do you get paid to bash RP on a pro RP chat forum?

He gets paid in beer. Lots of beer.

Seriously, though. You guys ask these sorts of questions and tell us we’re tools of the CFR and expect us to take you seriously because you come here with your seminar posters and post wordy, high-and-mighty, cut-and-paste posts that you probably post everywhere?

Seriously, though.

You are kidding, right?

OAO!

I never kid about beer…

Heinous,

You are having such a good time mocking Dr. Paul’s recent straw poll wins, but how do you defend YOUR candidate’s pathetic showing, whoever that might be?

The quasi-meaningless straw polls do show one thing: that Dr. Paul’s supporters are passionate and organized enough to actually go to a poll and vote for him. It speaks volumes.

Hamous says #69 - a study that has been thoroughly debunked. And I was not basing my numbers on Bush’s, but on this:

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Why “debunked”? This is just another study using press reports rather medical evidence for the death tolls. It’s a moot point about who is to blame for hundreds of thousands medical field workers agree have died in Iraq since it was invaded.

As usual you took my comment out of text and turned it into a hidden agenda to further the NWO’s goals.

Ahhh, the ol’ “Accuse you of NWO, so that everyone thinks I’m not NWO, when in reality I’m the real NWO” trick! Brilliant! Wwwwould you believe…..?

You are having such a good time mocking Dr. Paul’s recent straw poll wins, but how do you defend YOUR candidate’s pathetic showing, whoever that might be?

But y’all make it so easy! As to your question, I have not picked a horse in this race yet. Unlike many of the RP folks, I’m trying to learn more about ALL the candidates. I haven’t got the chip embedded in my frontal lobe so I’m not receiving transmissions from the Mother Ship hiding behind the Hale-Bopp comet yet.

And since the NWO/PHG will only pay me in fiat money I’m not receiving any compensation for RP bashing. I’m doing it for the sheer enjoyment.

I will, however, accept fiat beer.

#50, the NAU “nonsense” wasn’t articulated well on the Medved show, but money has indeed been earmarked for the NAFTA Super Highway. I believe that’s what Paul was saying when he said the money was buried deeply in other bills.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=North_America’s_SuperCorridor_Coalition%2C_Inc.

To be honest, I don’t care about that issue. I believe in free trade. But I do believe that the SPP is part of the natural progression to a North American Union. Europe did it, so we almost have to do it.

Ron Paul has a long proud tradition of being able to say “I told you so” and I gave no doubt that eventually we’ll see he was right about the NAU also. Look at the things he wrote 20 years ago, and you’ll note that he was right on target about the way events would unfold.

What really drives me to Dr Paul is the war though. I don’t want my kids drafted into the mess that we’ve started for absolutely no apparent reason.

I know a lot pf people think he blamed America for 9/11, but I heard him saying that because we’re building Army bases on Muslim soil, the Muslims think they’re being invaded by Christians. That made more sense to me than anything I had heard so far, and everything I read backed me up on it.

Maybe his bills don’t pass, but I’m fine with that. Most of them should have, that’s for sure.

And the Marque and Repraisal alternative might have wored, and it certainly would have allowed us to avoid ticking off the Muslims by invading them yet again.

I do not see anything worth defending in the Middle East. We can buy oil. We can drill for oil. We can develop alternative energy sources. We don’t need to protect Muslims from Muslims at the expense of the lives of American soldiers.

Israel can defend itself, and is probably better able to negotiate peace for itself than anybody, including us.

Or even beer bought with fiat money.

Isn’t the $50M bounty on Bin Laden’s head authorized by Congress a Letter of Marque and Reprisal? Why hasn’t it worked in six years?

Maybe his bills don’t pass, but I’m fine with that. Most of them should have, that’s for sure.

So, on the one hand you are fine that he gets nothing done. On the other hand, you say vote for him because he is the only guy that will do anything.

Do you see why I’m confused?

You can’t blame Ron Paul for doing all that he is able to do, blame the other congressmen for not living up to thier oath to support and defend the constitution of the US.

I am a former US Marine and I think that since the reasons for going to Iraq were wrong the reasons to stay do not exist. Al Queda wasn’t there and they are only there now because of us, so leaving makes the most sense. Looking for the motive for a crime does not blame the victim, it looks to prevent future crimes.

I agree with and I salute SGT Kyle Sanders. Thank you for your continued service to our country.

It is funny how much the RP acolytes have in common with Democrats.

Do RP Acolytes have Stepford Spouses?

it’s funny how stupid and groupthink the average american is. enjoy your military-industrial Obama/Hillary/Guiliani.

Groupthink? Sorry, but you guys personify that term. You all have the exact same talking points and never deviate from the script.

like i said, enjoy your military-industrial guiliani, or your military-industrial obaminton, or your tv friendly and tanned military-industrial romney.

you’ve gone so far away from what america is really about, you are actually proud to suck the teat of the ever expanding federal govt, that i pay far too many taxes to have so many of the horrible and illegal things the federal govt does in my name and with my money. you and your ilk make me ill.

Ron Paul is winning the Pajamasmedia straw poll. Kucinich is winning on the Dem side.

http://pajamasmedia.com/strawpoll2008/results.php

Wouldn’t it be a hoot if the general election came down to a Paul/Kucinich race?

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91’s post is typical of the dark side of Paul supporters. Despite likely not knowing a single person here, what any does for a living, how much government support any receives, and how much any pay in taxes, 91 can make broad, irresponsible and insulting statements about people who do not agree with his or her secret knowledge. This is why RP supporters have very little credibility with the vast majority of Republicans.

That, and that fact that they make statements like RP is the only candidate in America who believes in the Constitution. That will get you dismissed as an extremist kook most of the time.

RickG, did you really think that you could post a positive story about RP without these consequences? I doubt that Sgt. Sanders acts like this.

hamous, sure we may be obsessed with Ron Paul, but you seem to be obsessed with people who are obsessed with Ron Paul, judging by your posts from 7AM until 4PM.

As far the “groupthink” mentality, go back and read the posts here, some are concerned with the Iraq War, others the NAU, some taxes and the ever reaching hand of the government, all in less than 100 posts, most of which have been posted by the “Obsessed with Ron Paul Obsessors” like yourself. Believe me its almost a downfall when trying to organize a movement, but its freedom thats what is attracting folks to Ron Paul. Try attending a meet-up (or don’t), you will see diversity of political thinkers. So we are free to continue to promote a man we believe will bring real, positive change, and you are free to continue to sitting on lonestartimes.com all day complaining about said people. But you might want to try the positive change thing once, it can be very liberating.