Most of the Ron Paul supporters (or, more accurately, defenders) who drive by here strike me as, well, a little over the top. However, I received a brief, polite, cheerful email from a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, SGT. Kyle Sanders, Helicopter Crew Chief, C 7-158 Medevac. I wanted to share Sgt. Sanders’ YouTube endorsement of Ron Paul. Politics aside, there are some striking images in this presentation.
My name is SGT Kyle Sanders. I endorse, support and believe in Ron Paul and his message. I encourage other service members to voice their support as well. We swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies. It is our duty as armed service members to keep that oath.
Ron Paul is succeeding because he tells the truth, even when people don’t want to hear it. He leads an exemplary life of humility and hard work. He is consistent and very bright. He solves problems by learning about their origin, which usually are found to contradict the Constitution and by providing a solution which always obeys or legally amends it.
Ron Paul is from a strong community of devoted families who care for each other and understand what it takes to keep that community strong: volunteerism combined with free markets in a moral society where people respect each others’ privacy and diversity without subsidizing it.
Veterans! Let your voice be heard. If you believe in Ron Paul’s message, share your thoughts and ideas on Youtube. Help build the momentum of his campaign. The public respects the opinions of service members, especially when they are reasonable and in defense of civil liberty.
One voice can spread hope. A few voices lead to confidence. Many voices lead to action. Action leads to change.
SHARE YOUR VOICE. BE COURAGEOUS. DO IT WITH INTEGRITY.
SGT. Sanders, rest assured that, regardless of our differences over candidates, the LST family humbly thanks you for your service.
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I walked into the living room of an elderly relative earlier this evening. She is 85 yrs old and thinks Keith Olberman is the livin’ end. There is no other channel but MSNBC for her even though there are hundreds available to her. At any rate, there was some MSNBC show interviewing a hot-looking chick representing “Strippers for Ron Paul”. I kid you not ! I don’t know what she said because I fell down on the sofa laughing.
Said elderly relative has confirmed in her mind I am one crazy Texan. It may well be the most significant sign yet of the impending Apocalypse, but it was damned sure funny.
I am an Army Veteran as well, I think that Ron Paul is the only candidate that is willing to go into the real causes of these conflicts. “They hate our freedom” is a 3rd grade answer to a problem that is extremely complicated involving religion, oil, money, business interests, and loads of other factors. He was against the foolish interventions in the Balkans in the 1990’s and he was absolutely right then, and he refused to be afraid and vote for these never-ending wars after 9/11. He is the only candidate that is thinking with his head and not reacting with emotion to the things that happen.
In march I lost my best friend in this foolish war. He is the 4th person that I have known that has died in Iraq since 2003. It is time for this madness to stop. Ron Paul is the only one who seems to care, or to see that.
I thank this sargeant for his service, and respect his opinion……..especially since he fights so we can vote. However, a President isn’t a dictator. I don’t think he could get much accomplished as President. He would need some cooperation from somebody.
I thank Sgt. Sanders for his service to keep this country safe and free. Merely saying “thank you” seems dreadfully inadequate when we reflect on the sacrifice he an his compatriots have made and continue to make.
Ron Paul is not my candidate, Fred Thompson is. But this difference of opinion freely expressed is a major blessing of living in this country. This blessing is to be cherished and preserved.
I join with everyone else to thank SGT Kyle Sanders, and Jason43, for their service. But I must disagree that the wars we are currently engaged in are “3rd grade answers”. On the contrary, I think Paul’s isolationism to a world full of forces attempting to align in one common goal, our destruction, is a very naive position. They didn’t start attacking us because of the first Gulf war as RP suggests. This has been going on for decades. They don’t stop when we pull out of the middle east. Reagan tried that in Lebanon and nothing changed. Islamists have made it perfectly clear what their goal is and it doesn’t matter whether we have troops in the middle east. They want nothing less than the total conversion of the world to Islam.
UPDATE to my #1 / Strippers for Ron Paul
Thanks to Nick Gillespie, editor-in-chief of Reason Magazine, we have the YouTube record of the Strippers for Ron Paul interview from yesterday. You can’t say politics aren’t fun in America.
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/122222.html
The invasion of Iraq was based on the manufactured lies that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. The invasion was not supported by the UN. This has isolated the United States more than anything else. Hundreds of thousands have died in this war which is barbaric and has nothing to do with 9-11 and nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction and everything to do with American oil interests. Thank-you Kyle for speaking up!
First, I want to say thank you SGT Kyle Sanders and Jason43. Your service to your country is appreciated beyond words.
Second, I have to agree with hamous. Ron Paul seems naive and ineffectual to me. Which of his controversial stands has made a difference? He is against pork spending and votes against it, but has no problem adding pork to bills. Can anyone name me a bill that passed that Ron Paul spear headed?
Yep, that Iraq oil is just flooding the markets. We’re literally swimming in it!
Try less than 100,000. More hyperbole.
You can keep lying the lie about lies but it doesn’t make it less a lie.
Go Kyle Sanders and Go Ron Paul!
Sweet!
hamous, I hope you can understand that Ron Paul’s foreign policy is *not* isolationism. It is non-interventionism, as suggested by our founders. That means we talk with countries, we negotiate with them, and we trade with them, but we do not engage in pre-emptive, offensive war.
A long time ago, we declared war in defense of our national security. Then we relaxed the standard to “national interest”. Now we don’t even bother to distinguish between “national interest” and “corporate interest”.
Our interventionism, besides bankrupting us, serves nothing but corporate interests and interferes with our own independence. If oil companies couldn’t rely on the implicit backing of the US military and taxpayer, do you think they would stil be willing to make massive capital investments in unstable countries? And what do we get for their investments, that are protected and subsidized with our blood and money? A prolonged addiction to foreign oil, and lack of investment in sustainable alternatives that the free market would otherwise provide.
I’d recommend you read The Seven Sisters by Anthony Samson if you’d like to learn more. Or more recently, check out Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, by John Perkins.
That’s just the economic argument. There’s no question that our struggle against islamofascism is the defining struggle of this generation. But can we fight fire with fire? Should we be fighting with a military offense, and an economic defense of sanctions and trade restrictions?
Our enemies are nurtured in impoverished and often illterate environments, and become extremists whose hate is whipped into a frenzy by their local mullah who has discovered that the key to his mosque’s relevance and economic survival is the devoted attention and offerings of his followers. These mullahs have discovered that identifying a common enemy and stirring up hate is an effective recruiting tool. And to the extent that our own actions reinforce the mullahs’ rantings, and justify their paranoid fantasies, the philosophy of extremist islamofascism will continue to grow.
Can we genocidally exterminate the entire “race” of islamofascists? That seems impractical, if not morally reprehensible. Should we defend ourselves? Of course. Ron Paul is absolutely in favor of a strong national DEFENSE, and secure borders.
But how can we win the “war”? Ron Paul’s rational philosophy is that of the founders: win with military DEFENSE and economic OFFENSE, as opposed to our currrent (failed) strategy of military offense and economic defense.
Education and self-empowered (not subsidized) economic development that allows prosperity is the only way we can break the grip of islamofascism on its enslaved population. Killing only reinforces the paranoia and mistrust, and for every “head” we cut off, the hydra will grow many more to replace it.
We’ve been pursuing a seemingly expedient short term strategy in the Middle East for a long time. Please, count the costs of this war in terms of dollars spent, lives lost, and its impact on our enemies. To the extent that we are perceived as an occupier and oppressor, we will prolong and further internsify the struggle.
Perhaps Thomas Paine said it best: “He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”
bhday, sorry but I don’t buy the “9/11 was our fault” line. The free world has tried the “Peace in our time” Neville Chamberlain method of foreign policy before. All that got us was 72 million dead.
# 12 Hamous,
I didn’t see the phrase or implication that “9/11 was our fault” in bhday’s post. (perhaps I read it too quickly)
Does Chamberlain’s “appeasement” policy = our founder’s non-interventionist mindset?
#11 bhday,
Well said.
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Please, we can have a debate on this, but don’t give us the disingenuous line that RP’s is a military isolationist. I heard him on the Michael Medved program this week. I heard what he had to say about not having troops in other places. I heard his naivete about how we helped provoke 911.
Ron Paul may be a traditionalist in terms of “non-intervention.” What that means, unfortuantely, is that he is an anachronism who would be a disaster in modern times.
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The end of the first sentence should have said “that RP is not a military isolationist.”
13. little mike
Would you throw Israel to the wolves? Would you abandon the former Soviet bloc countries trying to emerge from the shadow of their former oppression?
And just how does that make us safer?
That’s turn of the century thinking; saidly that century turned 107 years ago.
Hmm, perhaps the distinction between Dr. Paul’s view of noninterventionism and isolationism is pretty foggy for most of us.
Is the course of action to bring home all the fleets, planes, and troops from around the world? Then raise the drawbrige, lower the portcullis, and loose the moat monsters? Wouldn’t that crimp free trade?
#13 little mike, that is Ron Paul’s assertion. Since it is obvious that bhday is an avid supporter I assume it is his position too. RickG is right on. Pauls foreign policy is 19th century. Heck he even wants to go after terrorists using Letters of Marque and Reprisal. It is in his pocket Constitution, after all.
11 - What is Ron Paul’s opinion of our military involvement in Afghanistan? Does he (and Libertarians in general) consider going after the Taliban and AQ in Afghanistan defensive or offensive?
On the issue of “9/11 is our fault”, I think there has to be some room for critical self-examination of our actions in the world over the last 50 - 100 years. This is not blaming the victim or unpatriotic. I think it’s perfectly healthy to say “hmm, 50 years ago we did X, supported dictator Y, because it looked like it was in our interest, but it seems to have come back to bite us in the a**. How might we do things differently in the future, to still support our interests but with different consequences?” I think you can do that and still militarily go after individuals or groups that actively trying to kill you. It’s not either/or; we can do both.
Hamous said:
“I think Paul’s isolationism to a world full of forces attempting to align in one common goal, our destruction, is a very naive position. They didn’t start attacking us because of the first Gulf war as RP suggests. This has been going on for decades.”
First of all, Dr. Paul is NOT an isolationist. He is a non-interventionist in foreign affairs. You know, exactly like our Founders warned us to be.
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/49.htm
Dr. Paul is an strong advocate of free trade, so that doesn’t exactly equate to isolationism. He believes we should talk to other nations, trade with them and if attacked, we should actually declare war (for a change) and go in with the troops that are needed from the very beginning and win it, decisively and quickly. Then, come home again and resume talking and trading. I guess it depends upon whether you believe our military should be used for our own national defense, or whether they should be used to carry out UN sanctions/police the world. I believe in the former. How about you?
There are in fact some people who want to do us harm and we need to go after those people. The people who attacked us on 9-11 are in Pakistan, by the way, not Iraq. Yet, here we are in Iraq, while our attackers are sitting in Pakistan and have rebuilt. What’s more, we give aid to the country who is housing them. Dr. Paul was behind us going into Afghanistan, but for some reason, our government chose to lose focus on our enemy, and divert attention to attacking a country who had nothing to do with 9-11 and overthrow Saddam, who as distasteful as he was, was a sworn enemy of our enemy, Al Qaeda, and also served as a *stop* against Iran. No, Cheney had it right all the way back in ‘94 when he warned that overthrowing Iraq would lead to a quagmire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
Now, we STILL need to go after our enemy in Pakistan, but instead of starting yet another war with a country, perhaps we should use a pinpoint tactical strike, rather than a sledgehammer. That is why Dr. Paul recommended we use a Letter of Marque and Reprisal to in essence put a bounty on bin Laden’s head. That way, those in Pakistan and surrounding areas who have much better intelligence regarding his location, than clearly we do, would have an incentive to dispose of this unsavory chap.
http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/07/wise-not-wacky.html
“They didn’t start attacking us because of the first Gulf war as RP suggests. This has been going on for decades.”
We have had a foreign policy of interventionism for over 50 years and that is what Dr. Paul has stressed. Remember way back when Mossadegh was Iraq’s President. It was our government who chose to overthrow him and put the Shah in power. (Operation AJAX) THAT is what gave rise to the militant islamics. So, yes, we have been at this intervening in other country’s affairs for quite awhile. The question that needs to be asked and answered is, has it served our national security well? I would say no, that it has not.
Adee,
Why do we need military stationed around the world to conduct FREE TRADE? I mean, seriously. Free trade is when someone has a good that they want to sell for a price, and the buyer agrees to pay it. Oil is about all the Middle East has to sell. Why on earth would they stop selling it to us?
well put Kyle!
Go RP!!
Typo…
Mossadegh was IRAN’s President.
I always find it curious when people still seem to buy what the MSM is selling. Namely that Dr. Paul somehow blamed Americans for 9-11. No, the only people who used those words were pundits like Sean Hannity who wanted to leave that impression in your minds. Dr. Paul said our foreign policy of intervening in other countries affairs over the last 50 years led to anti-Americanism (ie. blowback), that culiminated in the islamo-nutjobs attacking us. It in no way justifies their actions.
If we want to be successful in defeating our enemy, perhaps we should first understand what is motivating them first, eh? Warfare 101. Then, armed with that information, perhaps we should also consider whether our foreign policy is actually helping or *hurting* our national security.
The second thing I find more than curious, is that some people seem to think Dr. Paul dreamed up what he said about our foreign policy when he did nothing of the sort. What he said came straight out of the 911 commission report, CIA Intelligence, books by numerous foreign policy experts, such as Robert A. Pape and Chalmers Johnson, the Chief of the CIA’s bin Laden Unit, Michael Scheuer and even Paul Wolfowitz.
Here’s the question I have for you. Why is it that our media is not telling you this?
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“His [bin Laden’s] rhetoric selectively draws from multiple sources — Islam, history, and the region’s political and economic malaise. He also stresses grievances against the United States widely shared in the Muslim world. He inveighed against the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam’s holiest sites. He spoke of the suffering of the Iraqi people as a result of sanctions imposed after the Gulf War…”– 9/11 Commission Report, pages 48-49
“There are a lot of things that are different now [after the invasion of Iraq], and one that has gone by almost unnoticed — but it’s huge — is that by complete mutual agreement between the US and the Saudi government we can now remove almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It’s been a huge recruiting device for al-Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so- called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina. I think just lifting that burden from the Saudis is itself going to open the door to other positive things.”– Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Vanity Fair, May 2003
“One of the greatest dangers for Americans in deciding how to confront the Islamist threat lies in continuing to believe — at the urging of senior U.S. leaders — that Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than for what we do. The Islamic world is not so offended by our democratic system of politics, guarantees of personal rights and civil liberties, and separation of church and state that it is willing to wage war against overwhelming odds in order to stop Americans from voting, speaking freely, and praying, or not, as they wish.”– Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA’s bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 8
“We assume, moreover, that bin Laden and the Islamists hate us for our liberty, freedoms, and democracy — not because they and many millions of Muslims believe U.S. foreign policy is an attack on Islam or because the U.S. military now has a ten-year record of smashing people and things in the Islamic world.”– Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA’s bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 165
“The U.S. invasion of Iraq is Osama bin Laden’s gift from America, one he has long and ardently desired, but never realistically expected.”– Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA’s bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 213
“Although suicide terrorism is virtually always a response to foreign occupation, only some occupations lead to this result. Suicide terrorism is most likely when the occupying power’s religion differs from the religion of the occupied, for three reasons. A conflict across a religious divide increases fears that the enemy will seek to transform the occupied society; makes demonization, and therefore killing, of enemy civilians easier; and makes it easier to use one’s own religion to relabel suicides that would otherwise be taboo as martyrdom instead.”– Robert A. Pape, Dying to Win, page 22
“An attempt to transform Muslim societies through regime change is likely to dramatically increase the threat we face. The root cause of suicide terrorism is foreign occupation and the threat that foreign military presence poses to the local community’s way of life. … Even if our intentions are good, anti-American terrorism would likely grow, and grow rapidly.”– Robert A. Pape, Dying to Win, page 245
“The suicidal assassins of September 11, 2001 did not ‘attack America,’ as political leaders and news media in the United States have tried to maintain; they attacked American foreign policy. Employing the strategy of the weak, they killed innocent bystanders, whose innocence is, of course, no different from that of the civilians killed by American bombs in Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.”– Chalmers Johnson, Blowback, page XV
“The term ‘blowback,’ which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of ‘terrorists’ or ‘drug lords’ or ‘rogue states’ or ‘illegal arms merchants’ often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations.”– Chalmers Johnson, Blowback, page 8
Mossadegh was elected to the Iranian Parliament and appointed by the Shah to be Prime Minister. After several unconstitutional acts including dissolution of the parliament to avoid impeachment the Shah dismissed him. He didn’t go and eventually was overthrown by a US and British-funded coup. Reza Pahlavi was already the Shah before Mossadegh came to power and returned to power after he was overthrown.
#8 duhmoose,
Apparently the Ron Paul folks missed your question but I’ll answer it for them.
The good Dr. has not authored and passed a single piece of substantive legislation. Nor has he accomplished anything while in office for over 18 years except to be re-elected. Hope this helps.
It’s not the MSM selling it. It comes from Paul’s own mouth. I watched the South Carolina debate and he said it. No amount of spin can change that, no matter how voluminous your comments are. Unless you’re suggesting the debate was doctored by the MSM.
the seminar posters are out today.
Ron Paul is as wise man. Remember when Mr.. Miyagi said “karate is for defense only” Now, America should take a lesson and be more humble like Daniel son, defense only. Unfortunately we have become more like the rich blond Johnny character who suffers from a hormonal imbalance, kicking anyone’s a$$ who gets in his way. In real life the Blond DELETED wins!
I hope someday people around the world start to realize that peace is possible, for a world without peace is a world without hope.
Give peace a chance.
Dear hamous,
Your comment is heinous. Ron Paul has NEVER, EVER “blamed Americans for 9/11.” You seem to want to believe that, though, which is disingenuous on your part. Please go back and listen to the debate again via youtube.
You’re wanting to put words into his mouth, a la Sean Hannity.
#26 bigjolly & #8 duhmoose, with respect to Ron Paul’s accomplishments while in office:
He has been the lone voice of reason in an elected government that has long ago abandoned even the smallest pretense of obeying the contract between our government and the people. (That would be the Constitution.)
Do I fault him for not “building consensus” and compromising as opposed to standing on principle? When the actions of those around him are at best misguided and at worst insane, I think not: http://bhday.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/why-we-need-president-ron-paul/
Before you put words in Rep. Paul’s mouth regarding economics and foreign policy, start reading: http://www.ronpaullibrary.org.
Unlike any other candidate I’ve ever seen, he has in that Web site at least a decade of consistent speeches, writings, and communications to constituents that explains the issues and his rationale on them in great detail. The man actually reads legislation before he votes, and in the process of documenting his actions, he has created a practical guide to implementing a Constitutional republic.
I didn’t start out a RP supporter, but grew into one through reading and fact-checking this body of work over a period of months.
And anyone who thinks that Ron Paul “blames America” (as in us, as individuals) for 9/11 is mistaken. It is our government’s misguided *foreign policies* have taken a bad situation, made it worse, and certainly contributed to 9/11. Again, those aren’t just his views. There are folks who study this stuff for a living and realize that actions and reactions occur even outside of high school physics lab. The poverty, religious extremism, and fanatical, suicidal nihilism in the Middle East has been with us for thousands of years. Yet we continue to pour gasoline on the flames, and wonder why those wacky Islamists don’t just settle down.
I agree strongly that we don’t need a military base in every country for free trade and diplomacy. We should be free to trade and invest overseas, but that decision should be based upon a rational risk/reward analysis instead of the implied guarantee that the US military and taxpayer watches the back of our corporations’ financial interests overseas. We just might be a bit more self-reliant for important things like energy and natural resources (and our use thereof) if we didn’t put corporate and special interests in front of true national security and individual liberty.
#31 Heinous? I did watch the video and that’s what he said. Would you like a transcript?
Want to know why none of RP’s bills have come to a vote? They do not serve the top 2%! Check them out!
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Aug 2, 2007 H.R. 3344: Treat Physicians Fairly Act of 2007
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Aug 2, 2007 H.R. 3343: Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act of 2007
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Aug 2, 2007 H.R. 3342: Freedom From Unnecessary Litigation Act of 2007
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Aug 2, 2007 H.R. 3341: To ensure and foster continued patient safety and quality of care by exempting health care professionals from the Federal antitrust laws in their negotiations with health plans and health insurance issuers.
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Aug 1, 2007 H.R. 3305: Anti-Terrorism Act of 2007
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Aug 1, 2007 H.R. 3304: Police Security Protection Act
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Aug 1, 2007 H.R. 3303: Public Safety Tax Cut Act
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Aug 1, 2007 H.R. 3302: Congressional Responsibility and Accountability Act
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Jul 27, 2007 H.R. 3217: Terror Immigration Elimination Act of 2007
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Jul 27, 2007 H.R. 3216: Marque and Reprisal Act of 2007
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Jun 15, 2007 H.R. 2756: Honest Money Act
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Jun 15, 2007 H.R. 2755: Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act
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Jun 15, 2007 H.R. 2754: Sunshine in Monetary Policy Act
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Jun 7, 2007 H.R. 2605: Sunset of Public Law 107-243 Act of 2007
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Jun 6, 2007 H.R. 2597: Sanctity of Life Act of 2007
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May 22, 2007 H.R. 2424: Citizens Protection Act of 2007
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May 21, 2007 H.R. 2415: Affordable Gas Price Act
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May 17, 2007 H.R. 2387: Parental Consent Act of 2007
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May 2, 2007 H.R. 2117: Health Freedom Protection Act
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May 1, 2007 H.R. 2096: Freedom to Bank Act
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Apr 17, 2007 H.R. 1899: Enhanced Options for Rural Health Care Act of 2007
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Apr 17, 2007 H.R. 1898: Child Health Care Affordability Act
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Apr 17, 2007 H.R. 1897: National Park Second Amendment Restoration and Personal Protection Act of 2007
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Mar 27, 2007 H.R. 1720: Agriculture Education Freedom Act
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Feb 16, 2007 H.R. 1146: American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2007
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Feb 15, 2007 H.R. 1096: Second Amendment Protection Act of 2007
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Feb 15, 2007 H.R. 1095: Taxpayers’ Freedom of Conscience Act of 2007
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Feb 15, 2007 H.R. 1094: Sanctity of Life Act of 2007
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Feb 14, 2007 H.R. 1060: Professional Educators Tax Relief Act of 2007
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Feb 14, 2007 H.R. 1059: Teacher Tax Cut Act of 2007
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Feb 14, 2007 H.R. 1058: Hope Plus Scholarship Act of 2007
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Feb 14, 2007 H.R. 1057: Education Improvement Tax Cut Act
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Feb 14, 2007 H.R. 1056: Family Education Freedom Act of 2007
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Feb 13, 2007 H.R. 1009: Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2007
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Jan 12, 2007 H.R. 457: Cures Can Be Found Act of 2007
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Jan 11, 2007 H.R. 424: To repeal the Military Selective Service Act.
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Jan 5, 2007 H.R. 300: We the People Act
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 220: Identity Theft Prevention Act of 2007
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 219: Social Security Preservation Act of 2007
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 195: Seniors’ Health Care Freedom Act of 2007
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 194: Prescription Drug Affordability Act
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 193: Make College Affordable Act of 2007
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 192: Social Security Beneficiary Tax Reduction Act
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 191: Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act
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Jan 4, 2007 H.R. 190: Social Security for Americans Only Act of 2007
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Jan 23, 2007 H.Con.Res. 43: Expressing the sense of Congress that the President should implement Recommendation 9 of the Iraq Study Group Report.
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Jun 13, 2007 H.J.Res. 46: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
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Feb 7, 2007 H.J.Res. 23: Proposing an amendment the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.
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Jan 12, 2007 H.Res. 63: Amending the Rules of the House of Representatives to ensure that Members have a reasonable amount of time to read legislation that will be voted upon.
shawnyec, so basically what you’re saying is Ron Paul’s foreign policy can best be described as Wax on, Wax off Diplomacy? Got it. Oh, and war is not healthy for children and other living things.
You say “non-interventionist” and I say isolationist. Bottom line is it’s appeasement at any price. Thank God Americans aren’t buying this tripe.
hamous:
What dream world are you living in? Have you checked out straw poll results recently completed by the GOP in various states? What part of “American’s are buying his message” that you do not understand? Or are you in the “hide your head in the sand crowd” that still believes any true american patriot that follows RP stays on the computer 24/7 manipulating online polls?
#36 - based on the behavior of the RP Acolytes today here on this blog, I can easily envision them manipulating online polls…
wellhellno - We’ve proven here at LST the depth to which RP Acolytes will go to manipulate his support. Dream world? Show me any straw poll, not exit polls taken by RP Acolytes, where RP has won anything. Keep dreaming.
The choice is: freedom or slavery. individual liberty of collectivsm. CFR or independent statesman. Get educated on the CFR. They are building the NAU via the SPP, NAFTA, CAFTA and coming FTAA and LOST. Ron Paul is not owned by the CFR and opposes the bankers with closing the money window at the Fed and the unconstitutional IRS. Ron Paul is the only hope for our nation to return to a semblance of a constitutional republic. Any other candidate belongs to CFR as does all of the Dhimmicrat candidates. The lies about blame America and isolationism are tools of the CFR and their lackeys. Dr. Paul will seal the borders and stop the anchor baby abuse of the 14th Amendment.
Sgt. Sanders knows a patriot when he sees one. We dont have much time to wake up the sheeple. Now is the time. Ron Paul is the man.
Do your homework.
I have a lot of respect for some of the RP supporters I’ve met here. They seem to be reasoned, sane people. But seriously, some of you folks are downright cultish. It’s freaky!
OK, how about the most recent! Please keep in mind to participate in a straw poll the vote has to be manually entered at an actual voting site (not through a computer).
Ron Paul wins NH straw poll
Just like Alabama poll, he won it in a landslide with a huge lead over Romney who took 2nd.
The significance of straw polls can be debated back and forth, but what can’t be argued is the fact that Mitt Romney received lavish coverage from the media after his success in Iowa - despite the fact that the Iowa straw poll has historically proven to be meaningless - yet Paul’s victory in Alamaba and New Hampshire was met with muted dismissal.
P.S.:
There is even a international support network building for RP, does your candidate have that? Just curious, who is your candidate?
If the race was on a level playing field and the establishment media afforded as much attention to Ron Paul’s success as they gave Mitt Romney after the Iowa straw poll, the Texas Congressman’s campaign would be given unstoppable momentum, which is why at every turn the press have sought to dismiss, ridicule and ignore the only Constitutional candidate on the roster - Congressman Ron Paul.
You know it just struck me that it must just be killing the Libertarian Party that Ron Paul is getting all of this run, but as usual, they can’t even get a sniff… hahaha.
“But seriously, some of you folks are downright cultish. It’s freaky!”
I have been to this website twice now and it is hamous, bigjolly, textpat, and jimb spending all day spinning RP positions (ie. isolation vs. non intervention). FREAKY!!!
The facts are out there for all to see. Shallow, non-thinking accusations, such as cultish, indicate an unwillingness to look for the truth. Read up on Robert Pastor, and others who are quite clear about their intent to make sovereign nation states a thing of the past. Incrementalism is the tactic to marginalize the Constitution via international bureaucracy, legal precedent and international law. Step back from your rose colored neocon glasses and see that Ron Paul is the only man standing against the leviathan of the federal government. Smedley Butler described the military industrial complex only too well. It is still in place, and Ron Paul sees it and says he will do something about it. For this he is smeared with labels of isolationist, etc. Wake up people. Your candidate is owned by the CFR. They are afraid of Ron Paul.
JohnRH:
Well that sure was an intelligent contribution to this message board, NOT!
21 NKK.
We don’t need the military stationed all over the world to engage in free trade. Calling everybody and everything military home is merely fulfilling isolationism. But exchanging goods kinda can be slowed down if all those planes and ships have to be maneuvered around to get to the docks or airports. Gotta put ‘em someplace unless you want to sell some of them off.
#44 ajtdonahue,
What did I do? I merely pointed out that he hasn’t been able to accomplish anything in over 18 years in the legislature. That makes me a freak?
I join with others in thanking SGT Sanders for his service to the country. However, I believe SGT Sanders is violating AR 600-20, to wit:
I know he swore to defend the Constitution. He also is required to abide by Army regulations.
39.
You forgot about Skull & Bones, the Bildebergers, the Freemasons, the Illuminati, Mossad, and KAOS.
By the way, this week Paul was on the Michael Medved show. Most of the show he was pleasant and coherent, though showing how far out of the mainstream he is on those certain topics. Then, he made the mistake of mentioning his NAU nonsense. Medved cross-examined him - ie, asked for specifids and proof - and Paul turned into a stuttering fool. He had no answers, and no proof. He even tried to mislead Medved about money having been appropriated for the fictional superhighway, and Medved, knowing the issues, called him on it. The “Honorable” Dr. Paul had to back down. He wouldn’t mislead, would he? Ha!
41.
I hope not. I want my presidential candidate selected by US citizens, not the French or the U.N. Sounds like something John Kerry would approve of, though.
42.
Gosh, I was beginning to think we’d never get there.
49.
Uh-oh, didn’t mean to get him in trouble. Just tipping my hat to him.
49.
Then again, I’m not sure he’s still active. He didn’t tell me he was STILL in the service, so he may not be violating anything.
You heard it here first, folks, straight from a RP Acolyte! RP is part of the NWO!
Alabama Straw Poll - Ron Paul wins in a landslide with 81% of the votes. Romney, his closest rival only received 5.3%. Indeed a success! He walked away with it. Let’s check the numbers to see how many are responsible this unprecedented win:
Paul 216
Romney 14
Hunter 10
Thompson 9
Giuliani 7
Huckabee 6
McCain 2
Brownback 2
Tancredo 0
Cox 0
266 people voted! Yessirree! The earth is trembling with such support.
53.
That’s why he denounces it so loudly - to throw us off the scent.
Well maybe the good folks of New Hampshire, who take their politics seriously, turned out in record numbers. Paul won there with 78% of the votes.
Out of 286 votes cast:
Ron - 208 (73%)
Romney - 26
Huckabee - 20
Tancredo - 8
McCain - 7
Cox - 5
Hunter - 5
Fred Thompson - 3
Giuliani - 3
Brownback - 1
Wooo hooo! 286 votes! Boy howdy, he’s taking the country by storm!
How exactly are the Ron Paul supporters being cultish? I have only seen a nice discussion with talking points being backed up by both sides…just because a politician gets people excited with his message and ideas does not make them a cult. Are we passionate? Sure, thats why he has the grassroots envy of every other politician running, they wish they had the groundswell of “internet” support Ron Paul has.
Sure he is far from perfect, but this isn’t really about him, he doesn’t want the power of the President, he wants YOU to have the power and it certainly would be a rough few years if he did get elected, as we have become so dependent on the government we the people probably couldn’t handle the responsibility of being the ultimate check on ALL forms of government, as we were intended to be.
I live in San Francisco and there is a tremendous amount of support out here that keeps growing and growing, all done without the help of his campaign. It’s democracy in action and its beautiful to watch evolve. And thanks to Mr. Paul we have a nice little group of folks who will be a nice voting block by the time the elections come around.
Anyways nice conversation, but by attacking the people trying to have a discussion as “cultish” makes your points appear small to any distinguished reader.
For all you intelligent and sane Ron Paul supporters out there I have a suggestion for you. Take it or leave it, it’s free. If you want to garner support for your candidate do not send out the freaks, however eloquent and well-spoken, to try and convince others how popular RP is based on landslide victories of 80+ % in straw polls when less than 300 people voted in them. It really doesn’t help your cause.
#35 hamous, what Americans *are* buying at this point is a one-way ticket to international bankruptcy court. Looks like Bush is asking for another $50 billion to fund the war (http://digg.com/politics/Bush_Wants_50_Billion_More_for_Iraq_War) — anyone want to pass the hat? Maybe we can pass it to China:
http://bhday.wordpress.com/2007/08/29/david-walker-speaks-truth-to-powerless/
Buy hey, anything to avoid “appeasement”. What does that mean, anyway? How is defending our national *security* and the borders of our nation appeasement? How is a targeted, Constitutional retaliation against the Osama Bin Laden for 9/11 appeasement?
If Bush was going to place that $50 billion as a bounty on Osama’s head, we might have something to celebrate. But instead we get to thank our servicemen and women (along with our $9 trillion deficit) that gas is back under $3/gallon this summer.
Yeah, I don’t get too wrapped up in the 300 person straw-polls…and sure there are some real weirdos backing my man Ron Paul, but then you’d be hard pressed to find a more off the wall voting block than the evangelicals.
Long, live weirdos, evangelicals and liberty
#59 bhday, in case you forgot, Bush and the Congress have had a $50M bounty on Bin Laden’s head (or in RP Acolyte speak should I say “Tom Osman”) for a number of years. But there’s no need to divert attention from the discussion of RP to Bush. You won’t find many Bush supporters here.
#61 hamous, but $50 million is chump change compared to $50 billion. But maybe if we paid in euros…
If you read one more thing today, I’d suggest this blog post:
http://www.chrisbrunner.com/2006/05/15/the_real_reason_the_u_s_invaded_iraq/
Quite enlightening. Get ready for the draft so we can bring the heat to Iran!
What’s in *your* wallet?
RickG:
Your speculation he is not active may be correct; I can’t tell from the research I’ve done. However, he identifies himself as SGT Kyle Sanders. Not typical if you’re a civilian. Also, at the end of the first paragraph:
Certainly implies (to me anyway) that he is active.
I’m not trying to get him in trouble. I just don’t think he should be using his position to endorse Ron Paul! (or anyone else).
bhday, I’ll read it, but I must say I’m immediately skeptical when he starts off:
But I’ll read it.
64 hamous, thanks for reading and doing your own research. While it’s over a year old, it looks more prescient by the day.
If you’re planning a trip to Europe, better do it soon. The dollar isn’t getting any stronger given our current trajectory.
64.
Yeah, that would immediately start my BS meter to a’ clickin’.
Ooh, what about SPECTRE?
63.
Fair enough.
Hamous says Iraq death toll is less than 100,000. Depends on who you believe. George Bush said last december it was 30,000. At team of
American and Iraqi epidemiologists estimates that 655,000 more people have died in Iraq since coalition forces arrived in March 2003. See:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html
#69 - a study that has been thoroughly debunked. And I was not basing my numbers on Bush’s, but on this:
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Some of you guys keep trying to make this a “Yeah, but look what Bush did/said” issue. We’re talking about Ron Paul here.
hamous:
#53
“There is even a international support network building for RP, does your candidate have that?”
As usual you took my comment out of text and turned it into a hidden agenda to further the NWO’s goals. I was merely implying sane/civil people in the EU, Australia and Far East dearly want to love and respect our country again and clearly see it will take a person like RP to repair the damage done in all of our names. How much do you get paid to bash RP on a pro RP chat forum?
And cure cancer, and pay off the national debt in 1 year, and send another man to the moon, and come over and sweep and mop your floors, too!
All without the help of Congress. Right.
He gets paid in beer. Lots of beer.
Seriously, though. You guys ask these sorts of questions and tell us we’re tools of the CFR and expect us to take you seriously because you come here with your seminar posters and post wordy, high-and-mighty, cut-and-paste posts that you probably post everywhere?
You are kidding, right?
OAO!
I never kid about beer…
Heinous,
You are having such a good time mocking Dr. Paul’s recent straw poll wins, but how do you defend YOUR candidate’s pathetic showing, whoever that might be?
The quasi-meaningless straw polls do show one thing: that Dr. Paul’s supporters are passionate and organized enough to actually go to a poll and vote for him. It speaks volumes.
Hamous says #69 - a study that has been thoroughly debunked. And I was not basing my numbers on Bush’s, but on this:
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Why “debunked”? This is just another study using press reports rather medical evidence for the death tolls. It’s a moot point about who is to blame for hundreds of thousands medical field workers agree have died in Iraq since it was invaded.
Ahhh, the ol’ “Accuse you of NWO, so that everyone thinks I’m not NWO, when in reality I’m the real NWO” trick! Brilliant! Wwwwould you believe…..?
But y’all make it so easy! As to your question, I have not picked a horse in this race yet. Unlike many of the RP folks, I’m trying to learn more about ALL the candidates. I haven’t got the chip embedded in my frontal lobe so I’m not receiving transmissions from the Mother Ship hiding behind the Hale-Bopp comet yet.
And since the NWO/PHG will only pay me in fiat money I’m not receiving any compensation for RP bashing. I’m doing it for the sheer enjoyment.
I will, however, accept fiat beer.
#50, the NAU “nonsense” wasn’t articulated well on the Medved show, but money has indeed been earmarked for the NAFTA Super Highway. I believe that’s what Paul was saying when he said the money was buried deeply in other bills.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=North_America’s_SuperCorridor_Coalition%2C_Inc.
To be honest, I don’t care about that issue. I believe in free trade. But I do believe that the SPP is part of the natural progression to a North American Union. Europe did it, so we almost have to do it.
Ron Paul has a long proud tradition of being able to say “I told you so” and I gave no doubt that eventually we’ll see he was right about the NAU also. Look at the things he wrote 20 years ago, and you’ll note that he was right on target about the way events would unfold.
What really drives me to Dr Paul is the war though. I don’t want my kids drafted into the mess that we’ve started for absolutely no apparent reason.
I know a lot pf people think he blamed America for 9/11, but I heard him saying that because we’re building Army bases on Muslim soil, the Muslims think they’re being invaded by Christians. That made more sense to me than anything I had heard so far, and everything I read backed me up on it.
Maybe his bills don’t pass, but I’m fine with that. Most of them should have, that’s for sure.
And the Marque and Repraisal alternative might have wored, and it certainly would have allowed us to avoid ticking off the Muslims by invading them yet again.
I do not see anything worth defending in the Middle East. We can buy oil. We can drill for oil. We can develop alternative energy sources. We don’t need to protect Muslims from Muslims at the expense of the lives of American soldiers.
Israel can defend itself, and is probably better able to negotiate peace for itself than anybody, including us.
Or even beer bought with fiat money.
Isn’t the $50M bounty on Bin Laden’s head authorized by Congress a Letter of Marque and Reprisal? Why hasn’t it worked in six years?
So, on the one hand you are fine that he gets nothing done. On the other hand, you say vote for him because he is the only guy that will do anything.
Do you see why I’m confused?
You can’t blame Ron Paul for doing all that he is able to do, blame the other congressmen for not living up to thier oath to support and defend the constitution of the US.
I am a former US Marine and I think that since the reasons for going to Iraq were wrong the reasons to stay do not exist. Al Queda wasn’t there and they are only there now because of us, so leaving makes the most sense. Looking for the motive for a crime does not blame the victim, it looks to prevent future crimes.
I agree with and I salute SGT Kyle Sanders. Thank you for your continued service to our country.
It is funny how much the RP acolytes have in common with Democrats.
Do RP Acolytes have Stepford Spouses?
it’s funny how stupid and groupthink the average american is. enjoy your military-industrial Obama/Hillary/Guiliani.
Groupthink? Sorry, but you guys personify that term. You all have the exact same talking points and never deviate from the script.
like i said, enjoy your military-industrial guiliani, or your military-industrial obaminton, or your tv friendly and tanned military-industrial romney.
you’ve gone so far away from what america is really about, you are actually proud to suck the teat of the ever expanding federal govt, that i pay far too many taxes to have so many of the horrible and illegal things the federal govt does in my name and with my money. you and your ilk make me ill.
Ron Paul is winning the Pajamasmedia straw poll. Kucinich is winning on the Dem side.
http://pajamasmedia.com/strawpoll2008/results.php
Wouldn’t it be a hoot if the general election came down to a Paul/Kucinich race?
Ron Paul Zombies - Rombies
THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT WELCOME ON LONE STAR TIMES. EITHER MAKE YOUR POINT WITHOUT THE CURSING OR MOVE ALONG. LST MODERATOR
91’s post is typical of the dark side of Paul supporters. Despite likely not knowing a single person here, what any does for a living, how much government support any receives, and how much any pay in taxes, 91 can make broad, irresponsible and insulting statements about people who do not agree with his or her secret knowledge. This is why RP supporters have very little credibility with the vast majority of Republicans.
That, and that fact that they make statements like RP is the only candidate in America who believes in the Constitution. That will get you dismissed as an extremist kook most of the time.
RickG, did you really think that you could post a positive story about RP without these consequences? I doubt that Sgt. Sanders acts like this.
hamous, sure we may be obsessed with Ron Paul, but you seem to be obsessed with people who are obsessed with Ron Paul, judging by your posts from 7AM until 4PM.
As far the “groupthink” mentality, go back and read the posts here, some are concerned with the Iraq War, others the NAU, some taxes and the ever reaching hand of the government, all in less than 100 posts, most of which have been posted by the “Obsessed with Ron Paul Obsessors” like yourself. Believe me its almost a downfall when trying to organize a movement, but its freedom thats what is attracting folks to Ron Paul. Try attending a meet-up (or don’t), you will see diversity of political thinkers. So we are free to continue to promote a man we believe will bring real, positive change, and you are free to continue to sitting on lonestartimes.com all day complaining about said people. But you might want to try the positive change thing once, it can be very liberating.
But ripper,
He doesn’t DO anything! Yes, he says that stuff but he cannot lead. He’s demonstrated that he cannot lead. I’ve run a business in his district, have you? Two of them. The man cannot lead, he’s a lone sheep and likes it that way. When you examine his record, you will see that.
I’m a former Marine, deployed to support OIF in January of 2003. Ron Paul is my man. After studying the other candidates, he’s the only person I can see myself voting for. With the exception of Ron Paul, honesty, integrity and courage are in support supply for this election.
Do your men & women in uniform a big favor. Read. Take a good hard look at the intentions, reasoning, and past performance of each and every candidate. Know how our money system works, know how our foreign policy works, and most importantly know what individual liberty is supposed to be. Don’t let Rush, Hannity, or any other talking head from either side of the fence tell you how these things work because they don’t know either.
This might be one of the most important elections ever. I happen to believe it will determine the direction the U.S. is going to travel for quite some time. As a voter and a citizen, you have a responsibility to not only be educated on the issues, but know about the issues that aren’t even being put on the table by the so called “front runners”. It’s your right to vote that men and women in uniform protect. Knowing how is your responsibility to protect. I can’t help but feel the populace isn’t keeping up their end of the bargain.
DasRipper, I’m not so much obsessed but rather entertained by Ron Paul supporters. Notice the tone of my first post this morning. It was a legitimate criticism of Ron Paul’s positions, and they were my opinions. That, of course, opened up the floodgates of the typical Ron Paul supporter talking points. Ron Paul doesn’t blame America, Ron Paul is not an isolationist, Ron Paul’s the only Constitutionalist. Incredibly when presented with proof of my assertions, usually with evidence such as youtube videos of Paul himself, the best they can do is whine about how the MSM mischaracterizes or ignores him.
So it gets to the point where the only thing to do is ridicule them. Come on, even you recognized the silliness of using straw polls in which a grand total of 286 people voted to demonstrate the groundswell of support.
Most Ron Paulites that have commented here have been obviously intelligent and eloquent. But so was Ted Kaczynski and honestly I don’t see a whole lot of difference between that neo-luddite and some of them.
Go Ron Paul!
re: #99 - Here’s a perfect example of the problem. RP supporters come in and tell everyone else that their man is THE ONLY choice if you want to save America. Any other choice is unacceptable. YOU MUST CHOOSE RON PAUL! YOU MUST THINK LIKE US!
I’ve had a few discussions with Jaime, a frequent commenter and RP supporter here whom I respect. He pushed me to study Paul more in depth some time ago. I did and I do not like what I see. Sure there are things where I see eye to eye with Paul but there is much, much more at stake. I’m not a tool of the NAU. I’m not a “neocon”. I’m not a “Bushbot”. I’m an intelligent, well-informed, American citizen. I do not support Ron Paul.
Tol of the NAU?
There is no such thing as the NAU.
BigJoke told me so.
I am not a tool of the mythical NAU, then
2 points that routinely get misquoted by the major media.
1st, isolationism vs non-intervention.
Isolationism is when you have NOTHING to do with other countries.
Non-Interventionism is when you don’t mess with other countries affairs of state.
Ron Paul believes in Non-interventionism. He also believes in trading with other nations. Why would a country attack you if you buy there goods. Why would you attack them if they buy your goods.
2nd point - cause of 9/11
Several have quoted the CIA, the 9/11 report and several books that all point out the same thing.
The FACT is, Osama bin Laden warned us several times in the 90’s that he was going to attack our homeland IF WE DID NOT PULL OUT OF IRAQ and the middle east. Why were we surprised when he pulled off the biggest terror attack in the world???????
I was not a follower of Ron Paul at the time, but even I knew this answer and have been saying this for 6 years. Those that ignore this FACT are asking for it to happen again.
Ron Paul voted to go after bin Laden, he also read a speech 2 days before we invaded Iraq asking question and looking for proof. These are things that Democrats are only now saying. Ron Paul stated them before the Iraqi War started.
I have never been involved in politics before, but have been working hard in the Dallas area to get the word out for Ron Paul. The fact is, 70-75% of the American people want us out of Iraq. The Republican party is going to loose this election unless they change the policy in Iraq. This is going to be a landslide victory for the Democrats. I don’t want Billory as my president.
Oh so we are not supposed to make treaties or befriend another country in any fashion to make sure the Osamas don’t do it again?
Here, I got some real bad news for you.
It does not matter if we are in the mideast or not. The likes of Osama were due on the world stage simply because we are who we are.
Isolationism by any other name is still the same.
So you’re saying you believe, along with Paul, that it is indeed our fault we were attacked on 9/11?
It is a pretty binary scenario: Either it was our fault, or it was “theirs”. Since we don’t have any operational mind control equipment, I’m going with it was “theirs”…
The Question of Ron Paul Obsession
I have a question and some observations. I am impressed with the passion and engagement of the Paul supporters. It is encouraging so many people, particularly younger ones, are concerned for the fate of our country. However, there seem to be an endless supply of commenters on Ron Paul threads who never, ever appear on these pages except to defend their leader. Is it because there are no other dimensions to their lives, no other interests, no other subjects of importance ? I find it strange and unbecoming of his followers to exhibit behavior that only contributes to the accusations of the “cultism” they so vehemently deny. Why not participate here on a regular basis across a broad spectrum of issues, not necessarily involving the presidential race or Ron Paul ?
That is how I want to live in this world…
Yes Mistah Osama, leaving now Mistah Osama, Yes Mistah Osama.
Ron Paul and anyone that believes we should bow down to the will of any little would be tyrant makes me want to hurl.
What makes me sicker yet is Ron Paul and his Acolytes believe that all we need to do is leave and everything will be hunky dory and that all we have to do is be nice to these people and talk to them.
Hey Pizza. I hope you like falafel.
I don’t want to wear a burka! waaaaaaaaaaaa If’n I do have to, can it be red with sparklies?
Texpat
They cannot participate any further than defending BahBah Ron. That would involve such things as reading history books for starters.
the most amusing thing about you people who insist on the expanding military involvement in the mideast, is that we are already broke and about to be called on how broke we are. what do you think is going to happen then? romney, obama, clinton and guiliani would militarize and totalitarize our country .
and you’re so frightened about some arabs, you sound like the most insecure baby i’d never want to be associated with. real america would declare an actual war on a country that truly had something to do with anything. but you would rather sit there and think everything out with the most superficial, juvenile mentality that is fed to you.
people like you would gladly don a shoddy homeland police uniform when things really start going bad after america is fully bankrupt.
Shoddy homeland security uniform? Shoddy you say!!
I beg to differ my jackboots are spit shined, my uniform is pressed and the creases are so sharp that you can cut your fingers on them. And the hat!! Who dude the very shadow of it strikes fear into all that recognize it.
Not to mention that my USA flag and lapel pin looks really cool.
What is bankrupt is Ron Pauls defeatest attitude. Yes Mister OSama you don’t want here. We be leaving now Mister Osama.
What is with you RPAcolytes anyway? You guys get your talking points and when no one bows to your intellectual disposition the next box on the checklist says insult them? Is that how it works?
Tell you what. Answer me this hipothetical.
Country ABC is determined to be a clear and present danger to the United States. The despot has confirmed that he means us harm and there is no negotiating with him. What would BahBah Ron do?
you’ll be getting what you’re begging for in ‘08. i have no sympathy for ignorant people.
115
He proves the point over and over and over.
A perfect example was put forward earlier: Ron Paul is our Dennis Kucinich.
I’m glad theonlypatriot is listening. Finally.
BigJoke
115
Was that a slam? Hey Rick was oil&h20 trying to slam us?
C’mon O&W let’s play a game. It’s called what would BahBah Ron do? I have already posed a legit question in #114. Answer that for me.
Pretty please with sugar on top? I’ll be your friend. Really. I will be your best buddy. C’mon let’s play in my sand box.
Hamous,
I too, support strict constitutionists. Ron Paul is one. But his other theories are way too far out there for me. The United States is a super power. We cannot just sit back and let the world revolve around us. We have to take an active part. We have to do what we have always done - take democracy to those countries who do not have it. This is the reason God blesses the United States. Once we quit doing this, then God will quit blessing us. Once we lose our vision, then God will lose his vision for this great country. There has to be a reason that God has blessed this Country and I believe that reason is because we have ruled under His laws, we have tried to bring justice and right to other countries and we have tried to end misery whenever we could — all according to God’s laws.
118 Squawk
You’re asking too much. You forgot that most of those who beg us to go educate ourselves about His Honorableness (which we’ve already done, explaining why we are against him) are programmed only so far. They can reel off the talking points but, when faced with a question off script, they . . .revert to the talking points.
It was a simple question you asked. Surely one of those Paulites (who, after all, know all the secret stuff we’re too dumb to figure out) could answer it. It just takes one of you.
Any volunteers?
Assuming we get a decent candidate in 2008 (and that’s certainly not a guarantee), Ron Paul will run as an independent. That could siphon enough votes off to elect Shrillary. Then Ron Paul could say, “I told you so!”, thus fulfilling the prophecy. I think Nostradamus predicted that.
121.
Ron Paul predicted that Nostradams would predict it.
Rick
Yeah I forgot about the talking points. See that is what happens when I drop out of sight for awhile earning “OBSCENE PROFITS”.
I can ask harder questions if “they” would like.
Hmmm I wonder if that picture I emailed you is representative of the RPAcolytes? You know a little short on the essentials.
Ever wonder why RP’s supporters have a hard time giving a straight answer to a straight question? Try this on for size:
Rick
I have seen that. Amazing and illuminating to say the least.
I guess we know where their marching orders came from. ‘Nuff said
To hamous, bigjolly, jimb, sqauwkbox and RickG, Right on! You tell ‘em. THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM! Dagnabbit!
To all you Ron Paul supporters…
You can hardly be faulted for your optimism, but I am afraid it is unfounded.
I, like hamous, bigjolly, jimb, squawkbox and RickG, am certain that Ron Paul will not succeed, regardless of the fact that you can’t freaking drive anywhere anymore without seeing Ron Paul signs everywhere. And I did not find it the least bit funny that Dr. Paul coerced the strippers from Barack’s tent-pole. What’s really concerning is that where the strippers go, white males age 21 - 35 will surely follow. Don’t worry tho, Romney will still have the old white homosexual senator demographic.
The reason that I don’t support Ron Paul, despite the intelligent, rational discourse offered by his rabid high-and-mighty smarty-pants cultists, is that his message is fundamentally un-American (which also explains his international support). You think America is interested in change? What America are you living in? All America wants is a dumb, religious war-monger (i.e. more of the same). Its Rudy all the way. Now how do I know that? Because he sounds exactly like the tards we have in office now. All he has to say is that he’s been divinely chosen and he’s a shoo-in! Eventually Ron Paul supporters (two hackers and a stripper) will learn that you can’t fix this country. Its too far gone, so stop tryin’. You gotta learn to go with the flow. What do you do when the empire is falling? Put your money in emerging markets.
I didn’t start off this cynical. Living overseas, I was constantly embarrassed by America. I felt like apologizing every time Bush opened his idiot mouth. I started telling people I was Canadian! Do you know America’s biggest export? The Jerry Springer Show. It’s freaking everywhere. The rest of the world truly believes that Jerry Springer guests are an accurate representation of Americans. And the best part is… THEY’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Now that I’m back in the good ‘ol U S of A, the palpable stupidity is like a warm, fuzzy blanket. And you RP supporters gotta go tryin to ruin it.
You will not succeed, because I swear, Americans are so stupid, there is NO WAY Ron Paul can be America’s choice. And anyone who says different sets MY “BS meter a’ clickin’”. Do you really believe America wants hope, freedom, liberty or anything else Ron Paul is peddling. Today, the constitution is a meaningless piece of scrap paper and you think that’s an accident? We don’t want civil liberties, privacy, security and certainly not education. We just want the networks to keep us abreast of the important issues… like are there any new Anna Nicole developments or how is Lindsey’s rehab going?
And here’s another reason why Ron doesn’t stand a chance: He’s the “peace” candidate! DUH! Americans are not interested in peace. We want debt, war, servitude, open borders, energy dependence and a McDonalds inside Walmart. The Middle East is too complex for simple American minds. We need the easy answer. Our greatest gift to the Middle East will be Democracy. We have just got to enforce it better, that’s all. And when can we put a Walmart there? And THAT is why none of Dr. Paul’s legislation will pass.
I don’t know if Ron Paul blames Americans for 9-11 or not, but he should. Seriously, who is the thinktank that doesn’t believe that? I blame Americans. I’ll even name ‘em… Bush (take your pick), Cheney, Rumsfeld… Hell, Giuliani is reponsible! Everyone in America who is free had some small part in it. Its more important that we got the chance to use the military and spend some moolah. Use it or lose it, I say. Haven’t they been been telling us from the beginning that its better that we die fighting them over there than strengthen our borders and live peacefully over here?
So you Paul supporters keep posting your “rational arguments” and “thoughtful discourse”. But I’ll tell you right now that average Americans like myself, hamous, bigjolly, jimb, squawkbox and the rest would rather watch WWE and SNAP INTO A SLIM-JIM than see Ron Paul try to change us.
Oh and 16. RickG
Right ON! Those Israeli whimps need our protection most of all. I thought it was laughable how America “pretended” to restrain Israel desperately during first Gulf War. As if.
NowayUSA,
That wasn’t a bad rant.
Do you have the courage to answer my #98? Or is it easier to do as theonlypatriot does and simply spew forth?
Well, at least theytry and have a sense of humor. That’s a step…
First, as I said, I am NOT for Ron Paul. I’m seriously going to vote Giuliani and then get the heck out of Dodge. Things have to get worse before they get better.
98. If he were to get elected… and it would be horrible I assure you. He would probably just appoint some hypno PR person to tell America how things really are.
I expect he would just start changing stuff willy-nilly. Dissolve the IRS. Bring the troops home. Veto EVERYTHING! It would take Republicans decades to undo his changes and get us back to where we are now.
Of course, I suppose the power machine currently in place could help him get some things done. Administrations have “ways” to get the things they want accomplished. Who knows how things really get done in Washington… “wide stances” maybe.
Yeah, sure he would. Just like he’s been able to do in Congress. The only thing you have correct in your statement is that he would Veto everything.
And I suppose that is worth something.
Too bad you don’t have the stones to answer the question.
Ron Paul doesn’t appear corruptible, which is very very odd. That, I believe, is why he inspires such loyal devotion and why his supporters are so danged persistent. America has never seen that side of a politician. But what they don’t understand is that integrity doesn’t work in the Corporate greed/power machine. I truly believe that his honesty and integrity are going to be his downfall. These are not fundamental American values.
Honesty and integrity. Like voting against his earmarks before he voted for them.
Yeah, RP can dissolve the IRS all by himself. I guess the RP folks don’t know that much about the Constitution after all.
I guess Squawk is never going to get his question answered.
I guess I just don’t understand what you’re talking about. You think the President has to be able to lead. You obviously don’t get it. The President appoints people he thinks can get his agenda accomplished. Usually he surrounds himself with bright people… other leaders per se. Bush took a lot of criticism for surrounding himself with goofs even more incompetent than himself. Quite a feat. Which most powerful man in the world can’t get anyone to do what he says? I don’t know the answer to that one. Apparently you do.
Isolationism/Non-interventionism:
If Ron Paul is an isolationist, so is every country in the world that doesnt have military bases/go to war. Damn those isolationist Chinese, Russians and Middle East states!
Squawkbox:
What would President Ron Paul do if faced with a threatening foreign nation? I think he would follow the constitution and take the matter to congress to decide whether or not to declare war legally.
Earmarks:
If his constituents are being taxed, he has an obligation to make sure that some of their tax money comes back to the district. I cant see any inconsistency there. Do I not have the right to drive on public roads even if I want to pay lower taxes? It appears to be the same principle.
Leadership:
In my opinion its a big problem that people are clamouring for “leadership” qualities. “Leadership ” qualities in the modern sense unfortunately equate themselves with politicians that are activist in their role to do government. I think Ron Paul shows exceptional leadership by remaining committed to his principles.
Honesty and integrity:
RE: Post #127 NoWayUSA
Say guys, is there any way we could build a memorial to that post ? Stunning, just stunning.
“I felt like apologizing every time Bush opened his idiot mouth. I started telling people I was Canadian!”
Well, by all means, let’s not worry ourselves with actually defending the United States of America. I am sick and damned tired of every castrated, ineffectual, effeminate, confused American man who goes overseas being intimidated by a bunch of ridiculous fools and then coming home to cry about it. I am not afraid to stand up, confront them, question them and demand answers for the way their various nations have lied, equivocated, evaded, coerced and defrauded their way through history. It is truly amazing how one can silence a crowd of anti-American idiots overseas with a few well-chosen facts and well-placed questions. I have done it on planes, in hotel bars, in meetings and on trains outside of this country.
This entire comment by NoWayUsa deserves some sort of perpetual remembrance in the annals of LST. And there has been not one response to my very reasonable questions in my post #108. The whole RP thing is beginning to reek and the stench is rising already 14 months from the election.
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114. WWRPD?
I expect he would try to learn as much about ABC as possible. What are their motivations for hating us? Blah blah. All feel good intellectual smarty pants stuff. He’ll probably even consult with some “expert”, what a kook! Wimp stuff.
I say turn the desert into a sheet of glass then go get all the oil. Heck. Make it a state. You either believe in the value of peace or the value of war. Hard to have it both ways. RP is for peace, I am not. I think this war is working out great, but then again I work for a Govt contractor. Can you say “I’m Rich, B***h!” You KNOW any other Republican would keep this going. Good deal for me. Job security. And as you can probably tell, I have no sympathy for Americans. None, and that’s for real. Ron Paul may be the answer, but the US will never get it. Too slow. Plus, I don’t think they get the Internet in Iowa.
In Tasmania the British formed a line across the entire island and killed everything that moved. It would have been nice to keep a few Tasmanian tigers. I’m for something like that.
And who is ABC anyway? Are you scared to name the despot?
See, I don’t believe in RP says either. For example, I’m not pro-life, especially where Americans are concerned.
And the Middle East? Israel can have it.
139. You make my point in 127 so well. Thank you.
Earmarking is the least of our worries. It has been explained and documented; it is the duty of Congress to direct spending. And, it is being made transparent to the taxpayers. Here’s an interesting writeup on Paul’s earmarks:
http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2007/08/ron-paul-and-fox-news-attack-dogs.html
On WAR, what good is it if you can’t afford it? What good is trying to extend control over an Empire that one cannot retain? Nevermind all the logical or humanitarian or public relations reasons, It’s foolish spending and WWII-style thinking. It’s distraction over trying to fix the major problems in the US. We have to CHANGE, period.
On interventionism, there is not an intervention that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) doesn’t like. They are ELITISTS, always willing to provide intellectual cover for another intervention. Well, they can pay for it, but NOT ON MY DOLLAR.
On economics lessons, read this:
http://www.economyincrisis.org/
It makes much more sense to make America competitive again, to start reclaiming our once-good reputation, and to invest our time and money in some level of resource independency. And I don’t want to hear that it cannot be done–it can. But, that kind of effort takes CHANGE, creative thinking, and more willingness to adapt to the 21st century. Just not a lot of that going on these days.
Since Paul is the ONLY candidate who talks and writes prolifically on the economic problems facing this nation–problems that far outweigh our issues of global reach–he gets my vote until the Republican Party can designate anyone else with half a brain.
DanielR
You “think” that is what he would do.
Heh! Let me enlighten you.
Ron Paul has already said that he would turn negotiations over to the UN and the “world court”.
Let me spell this out to you. Bahbah Ron believes that we must be struck on our home soil before he would “do anything”.
You can find his quotes on video at any Alex Jones webpage. I ain’t gonna do your homework for you.
Now as to earmarks
Ron Paul is real slick, he says he wants smaller government and cut spending, but he has no problem creating earmarks and then hiding behind a no vote. Sweet. So he has the best of both worlds. What was it john Kerry said
“I created the earmarks before I voted against the earmarks.” or something like that.
Yep that is standing by your principles all right.
You neglect as does Ron Paul that a Presdients primary obligation is to tend to the security of our country. I consider open borders a giant hole in our security. Care to tell me what RP’s stance is on illegal immigration and the open borders? Oh yeah and don’t throw the, “he would bring our men home to protect us crap”.
If Ron Paul ever had anything of value to say, his sycophants and lackeys have sucked all the life out of it. The one single thing which strikes me incredulous is their abject refusal to conduct any kind of civil discourse. They alone have destroyed the Magus and left him high and dry in the desert.
Muhwahahahaha you guys crack me up. What good is war if you can’t afford it. What good is having money when your country is under siege. BTW we have been under siege since 1978.
OHHHH but I forgot RPs only answer to that is we would not be in this mess if we had not interfered. Ok so now what kiddies? We got enemies even if it is our fault.
I know there are a lot of LST readers than don’t support Ron Paul, I do. You keep supporting people that continue to lie to you but that doesn’t seem to matter. Politicians will continue telling you what you want to hear until they are elected then they seem to forget what they promised. GW Bush is a good example. He ran as a conservative but has governed like a liberal. Bernie Sanders should be proud of him. I know Ron Paul isn’t perfect but he does stand for something. Politicians, like all the current pack of Republicans, cannot be trusted to do what they campaign on. But, if you must, go ahead and vote for one of the current Republican losers. After they are elected and fail to keep their promises, I can say “I told you so”.
Ain’t that the truth. I keep thinking of this guy.
Oh c’mon now bob. You think Bahbah Ron ain’t lied to you. Ron Paul stands for himself and no one else. Apparently you do not live in Texas. He was worthless in the Texas Legislature too. He fought for nothing and his answer has always been “well I voted no”. Funny how his district always got a extra substantial piece of the pie. Ron Paul DID NOT FIGHT against any cuts in taxes or spending.
The record is out there. Go find it I did.
Oh and one more thing bob
You ain’t been around here long enough to know what the LST readers think about any politician. But I will tell you this, you ain’t gonna be reading talking points from them on any candidate or subject.
and one more note.
Ron Paul ran as a libertarian in Texas for the House. He switched parties to Republican because he knew that was the only way he could get elected. Seems deceit is part and parcel of the abominable BahbAh Ron’s mode of operation. Look at the people he deceived to get elected.
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Welcome back anytime. We do discuss and debate all manner of issues that do not involve candidates for the Presidency of the United States of America. There is an entire world of life and living which takes place regardless of who sits in the White House. I know you may find that surprising, but, shucks, it’s a real true thing.
There is life after RP. Your mama wasn’t lying…
Hot job prospect on November 5, 2008 - Cult Deprogrammer
And The Honorable Ron Paul would fix that to?
Seriously, guys, your faith in one man (yes, he’s only a man) to fix all of this nation’s problems is dangerously misguided.
#124 RickG
This reproduced exchange does remind one of the Oracle at Delphi. Sigh
Good job.
I’m for Ron Paul. The argument that he’s not accomplished much with his bills, seemed odd to me.
Congress passes many bills, and to what good?
Where are we as a nation today?
Central banking has just ‘created’ what, 1 trillion $ in the past few weeks? Do you think they’re finished, or just beginning?
Dr. P helps us all by getting some light focused on policies instead of personalities, I think.
Would it be possible for those of you so inclined, to consider debating with fewer ad hominem attacks?
It’s wearisome having to sift through such to find the actual points being posited.
Thank you SGT Kyle Sanders for everything that you are doing. To all the non Ron Paul supporters - you listen to way too much talk radio. Especially Fred Thompson supporters, Fred votes exactly like John McCain and thats really bad.
To Texpat - true there is alot to discuss, but why?everything else is so trite.
And then there is Jimb, this guy….
We really don’t think you are a tool of the CFR, what would that accomplish? You may actually believe in principle with the CFR, but all you have to do is look how screwed up our foreign policy is to see how well the ‘ol CFR has done for us.
And then there is Mitt Romney this guy is a car salesman if I ever saw one. Are you kidding me, like we are going to believe this guy who joined the NRA 3 years ago is a pro gun hunter (what did he hunt - hair gel?), or someone who has spent his whole poltical career helping to kill the unborn, suddenly is Pro Life. Funny how the guy never once brought up stopping illegal immigrants when he was Gov. Flip Flop
Then there is Guiliani. Can YOU BELIEVE the Republican Party has gone so far out in wacky land that they actually think Republicans are dumb enough to vote for a liberal New Yorker ha ha ha ha ha This guy is so nuts that he thinks he spent more time at the 911 site than the workers or fireman. He done. Oh and that I am a Pro Life can’t wait till the next time I get to lobby for a Pro Abort group Fred Thompson. But hey at least he can buy him a trophy wife - he’s got my vote for that. Nothing wrong with a trophy wife, I’d buy me one to if I had all that lobby money.
But really the American people are just sick of being lied to and really do not want any flip flopping, pablum puking, weasel leading the us anymore, and that goes for you too Hillary. Obama go back to third grade, no invasion of Pakistan.
Vote Ron Paul
155.
I can’t disagree with anything you say except the vote for RP part. Like I’ve said for many moons, the GOP is in deep trouble in ‘08. Get your tranqs now - a four-year Hillary supply.
I’ll answer the hypothetical with an answer (I didn’t have the time to read through the rest), but he DID vote for military action against Afghanistan, which posed a clear and present danger to America.
Anyways I can see why some of you people would be having Ron Paul exhaustion, and I realize we may be going the way of funny cat pictures on the internet, where you can become cliche and a shell of your former selves within weeks because so many of us spend so much time in our little internet fantasy world. But I will stick with my guns and what I believe in.
About him taking votes away from Rudy and getting Hillary elected…does it really matter? Hillary is pro-war, pro-globalization, pro-life, anti-gun…sound like anybody else? Out here in crazy California, he is actually taking votes away from Hillary, as many of us youngsters have realized we ARE conservative and Republican, it’s just that this current crop from 94′ on AREN’T REALLY CONSERVATIVE! And there is nothing more we hate than hypocrites. But Ron Paul is taking many votes away from Hillary because our main focus out here is stopping the war in Iraq. It’s why I think IF Ron Paul won the Republican nomination he would destroy Hillay in the general election, he would get all anti-Hillary votes (of which there is more than half the voting nation) and get the anti-war vote, which should be over 1/3 of Hillary’s base.
Although I may be living in a bubble, the climate is nice and the company enjoyable.
And one last thing since I won’t be able to check back for a few hours, most of us Ron Paul supports don’t claim him to be perfect, of course there are flaws with some of his policies and how he has governed, but they are nothing compared to the rest. I’ve had 8 months to decide on a candidate and like many don’t see much difference between the rest, I could live with Obama or even Mitt (because he really is a centrist who has a proven track record) but Ron Paul gives us hope and warm and fuzzy feelings…hope the person you finally throw your weight behind does the same for you…Cheers All
And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. I for one read most of your posts as reasonable discussion. Except for the f-bomb but we’ll chalk that up to ignorance of the LST rules. It’s the whackos that come here and speak of RP in revered tones as if he’s the new messiah and proclaim as heretics anyone who doesn’t swear allegiance to the Church of Ron Paul that cause me to treat them with sarcastic disdain.
157.
What part of CA? I love every part I’ve been to and every time can’t wait to get back. But I don’t want to try to buy a house there!!!
You seem to be a good natured type and present your case well. What some of us are surprised at, though, is that even when we post a article which is actually a compliment to a RP supporter - like I did here to start all this - we end up with a bunch of defensive bomb-throwers who insist on lecturing and insulting people. Some of us are curious as to why Ron Paul seems to attract such anti-social types, since his own personality does not seem particularly obnoxious or offensive.
Now, back to CA. If you could live anyplace in the state, where would it be?
Mr. Miyagi says,
It’s ok, it took a while for your ancestors to realize slavery was not right after that little skirmish called the civil war. And to think how adamant the south was that they were right, some still believe it, how embarrassing. Luckily today we are smart enough to see our faults. God bless the USA!
Breathe in through nose, out the mouth. Wax on, wax off. Don’t forget to breathe, very important.
YES! This is great! I’m kinda late in responding to this blogt but I want to thank RickG for posting it, Sgt. Sanders for his comments, and everyone who has taken the time to really look at Ron Paul’s platform and past voting record.
With this LST article and the front page piece in The Chronicle last Sunday about Ron Paul, I am really beginning to have hope that his message will get “out there.”
And, despite what TexPat said about the RonPaul supporters here on LST, “who never, ever appear on these pages except to defend their leader” I’m a Paul supporter and I am here on this blog for the long run. I even kicked in a little money to keep LST going, So I oh-so-respectfully suggest y’all knock of the cult comments and stick to the issues at hand.
BTW, I agree that Paul’s campaign has attracted a lot of whack-jobs. But then, so has the Republican and the Democratic campaigns. in fact, many of the comments on this blog clearly illustrate that some seriously misinformed opinions and outright fabrications are NOT solely coming from Ron Paul’s camp. The difference is that the candidate himself doesn’t lie, doesn’t obfuscate, and doesn’t pretend to be anything than what he is and he’s got the voting record to prove it. I can’t say that about ANY of the other people running for President at this stage of the game.
hamous I think you really need to read #34 very carefully if you haven’t already. Ron Paul cares about this country and the rights of its people. His agenda starts with us. Helping the little guys. The 90% of this nation that hold less than 30% of the total wealth.
http://www.demos.org/inequality/numbers.cfm
Over and over you have called him an isolationist. By definition an isolationist is a person who both avoids alliances and creates legal barriers to prevent trade with other nations (kinda like our policy with Cuba). Ron Paul advocates free trade. Not preventing it.
You have called some of the people who come on here
wack-jobs. Many of those same people have waited for their entire lives (or at least the last 20 years) for a candidate that really speaks to them. A candidate who actually seems to be still grounded. One who doesn’t speak as if he is trying to dodge every question. One who backs his statements up with facts. These “wack-jobs” are simply people who finally feel they have hope. Hope that a president will push the issues he claims he will during the campaign. Hope that our country will stop a war that only kills the children of the poor (minus Pat Tillman God rest his sole). Hope that health care will actually become affordable. Affordable for a mother to have a child. Affordable so a cancer patients can buy their medication without the support of the government or anyone else. So people can depend on themselves. End the years of depression involved with relying on others to take care of them. Instead of waiting for a tax refund check, relying on themselves for a change. You start with the name calling saying claiming these people are basically crazy. If they are, it’s our country that is driving them there. Lastly when people are excited and think they have hope and someone threatens that hope they become scared and mad. Scared because the hope could disappear if the wrong man were elected. Mad because the people in your position are the only thing standing in the way.
If we abolished the federal tax, and the federal reserve, the money earned by the federal tax would be made up for by the interest owed by our government to the federal reserve. Don’t believe me? Check this site out. It uses the real numbers for our government’s budget.
http://www.nathannewman.org/nbs/