I think I’m certifiably nuts. I actually watched an hour or so of the “Values Voter Debate” last night, although after tuning in, it was more like watching with fascinating curiosity a train wreck happening in slow motion.
For those not as tuned in to the ‘08 presidential race, the “Values Voter Debate” billed itself as different from other debates because it will “focus on pro-family issues that values voters care about”. And Lord knows families do not care about taxes, spending and war.
The debate was moderated by World Net Daily founder Joseph Farah, who could have used some tutoring. Here was his take before the debate.
“There seems to be a concerted effort to dodge the agenda of the pro-family movement,” he says. “Some of the front-running candidates have less than a stellar record of voting and governing on those issues.”
The four front-runners were not in attendance and were represented by empty podiums with their names on them. And the empty podiums were asked questions, with a bit of ridicule thrown in for fun, of course. Here is a sample of a question directed to an empty podium:
The first came from Teresa Ippoliti, a woman who says as an unborn child, her would-be abortionist “failed to kill” her.
“Mayor Giuliani, your position on abortion would have left me dead,” Ippoliti said. “Now that you see me, Mayor Giuliani, do you honestly believe the abortionist had a right to kill me?”
“No answer,” someone yelled from the audience after a sustained silence, as eyes focused on the empty lectern with Giuliani’s name on it.
And you wonder why they skipped this debate?
They even had Alabama jurist turned folk hero Judge Roy Moore asking questions. He looks like a cross between Gene Wilder and Grandpa on The Munsters. Here is one of the good judges questions:
Do you support the NAFTA Superhighway presently under construction from Mexico to Canada, portions of which shall be under foreign control?
I was hoping that someone would shout THERE IS NO FREAKING NAFTA SUPERHIGHWAY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. Alas, it didn’t happen.
Were there more questions? Oh, yes, in a three hour debate there were questions alright. I’ll quote a couple of them but please, be certain to read them all to get the “real feel”. How’s about this one:
My name is Monica Ramos and I am the wife of former Border Patrol Agent Ignacio Ramos. Currently, my husband sits in solitary confinement in a federal prison having served nine months of an 11 year sentence for shooting an illegal alien who was resisting arrest while smuggling 750 pounds of illegal drugs into our country. The drug smuggler was given immunity from prosecution for the drugs he was carrying, free health care and free border crossing cards by our government and is suing the government for 5 million dollars. Is this the kind of border enforcement policy we could expect in your administration?
Wow, that’s a tough one. Wonder what the unanimous answer was?
My name is Aaron Chamblee, In Fiscal Year 2006, the United States government spent $406 billion dollars of our money just on interest payments to the holders of the national debt – which is now $8.8 trillion. I don’t have that kind of money. If elected, will you reign in this out of control spending and work hard to balance the budget?
You are kidding me. You don’t have $8.8 trillion sitting around? What, you a Katrina vic?
I was made a slave during the government of Sudan’s war against black Christians and animists of South Sudan. I am a slave no longer, but work to free tens of thousands of my brothers and sisters who remain in chattel slavery in Sudan. Would you endorse the creation of a commission to monitor the eradication of slavery in Sudan, the last legal bastion of slavery in the world?
I know what you are thinking, heck, that’s another unanimous answer BigJolly! Uh, did you forget that the honorable Dr. Ron Paul was in the debate? He whipped out a no answer faster than Robert Byrd pulled out his pocket copy of the Constitution on Constitution Day.
Speaking of the honorable doctor, I came across this review that pretty much sums him up.
Either way, giving Ron Paul more time to speak only made him seem even nuttier than normal. By that, I mean if you sat Ron Paul on a stool and on another stool, you had a bowl of peanuts, and you said, “Which is nuttier?” — most people would be completely stumped.
Heh.
So, Mike, enjoy your win. But honestly, you should have accepted the invitation to the Hispanic debate as well. They vote too. See you in Baltimore.
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“And you wonder why they skipped this debate?”
Actually I do wonder why they skipped this debate. Aren’t the “values” voters the one of the significant bases of the GOP? If they stay home in 2008 can the GOP win? This would have given the big 3 an opportunity to define themselves better on sicial issues.
I can understand if the Democrats avoid this trap known as a “debate” because they don’t need to pander to these nutjobs but the GOP…
“THERE IS NO FREAKING NAFTA SUPERHIGHWAY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.” ?????
Of course there isn’t! The clandestine four football field wide toll road being proposed that apparently has already been approved of in Austin to be built through our state, that there are actually already propaganda billboards for on I-59, is not really for NAFTA.
Of course I’m quite sure it’s actually for the people of Texas’s benefit, althought there is the small matter that they will be paying a foriegn company for the next 50 years to use it.
The fact that foriegn trucks will use it to move foriegn MADE IN CHINA material through our state to points through out the country, is just a coincidence.
You can put lipstick on a pig, BJolly, but it’s still just pork!!!
sarc/off
Jolly we may not agree on how to solve every issue, but I must be honest and praise you for the self torture you put yourself through to keep informed.
I salute you sir!
If you don’t want to travel to the video store ever try Netflex or even pay per view movies?
Since we never do really have a “debate”, why not just put out a question sheet, let the candidates answer it, the voters will read it and decide and the bloggers will go thru it with a fine tooth comb and find instances where the candidate either lied or “Kerry”ied the answer. Unfortunately for some candidates there is way too much printed material out there about their positions so you can’t “Kerry” your position. The debates you see now are campaign sound bites with no debate.
The debate was a bit off the wall. The questions asked were so leading in some case as to not be able to be answered, especially the Yes / No questions. It was like being asked “Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Yes or No only, please…” Ridiculous.
Ron Paul was the only one with the courage to not pander to the audience as did the rest of the cadidates in attendance.
Ron Paul’s second place finish is respectable when you consider Huckabee is a former Baptist minister, and he knew exactly what that particular crowd wanted to hear.
Ron Paul is a great man with integrity. I am now a Democrat for Ron Paul.
Kacela
I never thought it would come to this but I have to agree with you on the pandering part. At least the good doctor stuck to his guns.
Ron Paul ‘08
If I were a candidate, I don’t think I would have attended a debate moderated by WorldNut Daily? If you have to ask why, read bigjolly’s piece again.
Yeah, but you’re an automaton.
I have debate fatigue…. and I didn’t watch any.
Tired of campaigning for two years out……
If they can’t get it across in two or three months then let’s elect our leaders by lottery! They pay a bazillion dollars and someone draws a number. The one selected wins. The down side would be they are graded, and if they don’t score high enough, they get shot out of a cannon into a brick wall. Why not? It’s just a rich man’s game anyway. At least we’d get to see them shot into a brick wall if they suck!
They could care less about us.
I say this with all seriousness. The country will probably disintegrate and be carved up the Chinese if Ron Paul does not win. It will take time, but we are on the road to perdition.
America needs Ron Paul more than ever, and everyone who supports Ron Paul loves him as he is the closest thing to family we have ever seen in government.
Ron Paul, for what is just, what is right, and what is our Nation’s root modus, the Constitution and Freedom and Liberty for All.
Also, I strongly disagree with Huckabee winning this debate. Many online polls showed Ron Paul ahead. Another example of Poll rigging.
Ron Paul Seen Winning Values Debate Poll
Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com
As of 7 AM/ETA Ron Paul (R-Tex) had received 50 percent of the votes emailed to WorldNetDaily, whose founder moderated the Values debate in Florida last night.
WorldNet Daily described the debate this way: “Last night, Gov. Mike Huckabee, Rep. Tom Tancredo, businessman John Cox, Sen. Sam Brownback, Rep. Ron Paul, Rep. Duncan Hunter and Ambassador Alan Keyes (in the order of their random podium placement) faced 53 questions from pro-family leaders at the Broward Center for the Performing Arts.”
Ron Paul 50.07% (357)
Mike Huckabee 13.18% (94)
Alan Keyes 10.10% (72)
Tom Tancredo 8.84% (63)
Duncan Hunter 4.21% (30)
Sam Brownback 0.70% (5)
John Cox 0.42% (3)
Latest as of 1:02pm EST
9/18/2007
Who won the Values Voter 2008 Presidential Debate?
Ron Paul 47.95% (1367)
Mike Huckabee 15.47% (441)
Tom Tancredo 9.68% (276)
Alan Keyes 8.91% (254)
The debate was just a joke because the main candidates didn’t participate 7.96% (227)
Duncan Hunter 4.74% (135)
None of the above: I wouldn’t vote for any of them 3.26% (93)
Sam Brownback 0.91% (26)
They all scare me equally – we need a Democrat for president 0.84% (24)
John Cox 0.28% (8)
TOTAL VOTES: 2851
Sorry guys, but the people that held the debate pre-selected 340 voters. You cannot load this one up.
Sure, you can pile on the WND one, but in the end, your candidate didn’t win. It’s remarkable that he came in second - I’m stunned by that. You should focus on that triumph.
Think about it. 340 pre-selected conservatives and your guy came in second. A legitimate second, not one of the text message polls that are being skewed by supporters of a candidate. You should be thrilled.