Ever since the Irving, TX police department joined with I.C.E. in a program called the Criminal Alien Program (CAP) last year, the results have been outstanding in deporting illegal aliens that have committed criminal offenses inside U.S. borders. That success has brought out a couple of strange arguments for the program to be eliminated.
One reason cited is that children are being withdrawn from schools by their parents out of fear of being deported.
At Nimitz High School on Thursday, Mayor Herbert Gears assured about 100 students that nobody would visit schools to check their immigration status. School officials have said at least 90 students had withdrawn recently from the Irving district because of deportation fears.
I’ll admit to having mixed feelings about educating the children of illegal aliens. But color me jaded for thinking that the school officials are more concerned about the $400,000 plus per year these 90 students represent in lost state revenue and are trying to limit their losses.
Another argument is that legal immigrants and citizens are being subjected to racial profiling, being stopped on the street and asked for papers. Total nonsense.
The racial rhetoric and rampant rumors that followed have left many Irving Hispanics – even those who are in the U.S. legally – feeling forced into the shadows.
Many Hispanics are afraid to leave their homes or send their children to schools in a suburb where one-third of the population is foreign-born. They feel racially profiled by police and unwanted by white neighbors.
“It may not be real, but there’s that feeling,” said Mr. Carranza, who became a U.S. citizen at age 18. “As Hispanics right now, our skin becomes our yellow star.”
Talk about exaggeration. And the interesting thing is that it is not conservatives or right wing racists that are spreading these false rumors - it is the Hispanic community itself spreading these false rumors, hoping to connect the CAP program to racism.
So what, exactly, is going on here? Simple. When the Irving PD makes an arrest, ICE is contacted in each case. If the person being arrested is determined to be in the country illegally, a hold is put on them and deportation proceedings can proceed. No raids. No profiling. Just people arrested for crimes being checked for citizenship.
Well then, how’s it working?
Last month, Mexican Consul Enrique Hubbard Urrea warned immigrants from his country to avoid the suburb. Days later, more than 1,000 protesters rallied at City Hall, waving American flags and demanding that officials put a moratorium on the city’s use of CAP. One rally organizer threatened a boycott of Irving businesses if the city persisted.
Word about the program spread. In the two-week period that ended Sept. 30, 78 inmates had immigration holds. Police Chief Larry Boyd said that’s about half the number the jail has typically had during a two-week period. Chief Boyd said he’s not sure why there was a drop.
“Nothing’s changed with our program, so you can only make assumptions that people have adjusted their behavior to avoid being taken to jail,” he said.
Did you catch that? People are adjusting their behavior to avoid being taken to jail. Hold up. Hispanic activists are spreading fear and racist rumors around so that crime can continue unabated? Are these people for real?
Excuse me if I don’t see a downside to less crime and criminals being deported.
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If you are legal, there is nothing to worry about is there?
People are adjusting their behavior to avoid being taken to jail.
Hmm. Makes sense to me. Legal is Legal and Illegal is a crime. Now instead of posting Irving Police/ICE Program Success can we hope for and see National Law Enforcement/ICE Program Success
And after going back and reading the article for the Fourth time I get irked at
“As Hispanics right now, our skin becomes our yellow star.”
The yellow star had nothing to do with immigration or legality. The yellow star was a Nazi brand. The race card won’t work here.
“As Hispanics” the skin has nothing to do with the star or the status. There are many LEGAL Hispanics.
The status, Criminal or Legal is the subject matter.
It is so hard to follow the law, Jolly is it possible to send copies of this article to the Harris County Commissioners, Mayor White, the HPD, Sheriffs, and Constables departments? I am sure they would want to call up to Irving and get some advice how they can enforce the laws down here.
#1 sounds like a throw away line but think about it, just like the purple fingered Iraqi, would not the immigrant who has gone about being here properly and wants to be an American stand proudly?
Excellent news out of Irving….. but was Irving a ” sanctuary city”? Certainly it would save the tax payers a lot of money to not have to take care of illegal inmates. I can understand how rumors fly when one is here illegally and can’t speak English, but there should be no fear for a legal resident, who can converse. The Hispanic oranizations should not be spreading fear, but encouraging legality.
I have always supported deporting all illegal alien criminals and building a fence - even though it doesn’t work for Britain to be surrounded by sea and it didn’t keep the East Berliners home nor is it even keeping the North Koreans home and that fence is guarded on both sides of the border by almost a million troops
How is everyone going to feel if the police storm the schools to find illegals in Houston?
#7 Bannable
Sounds like a good plan to me. They might even catch a few drug dealers while they are rounding them up.
A side benefit is that we can take the parents too when they show up to claim the children.
All is fair in love and war and this is war.
More hyperbolic FUD. That is not happening anywhere and is not necessary anyway. Control the borders. End sanctuary cities. Punish employers hiring illegals. Self-deportation commences. You can see it beginning to happen in Arizona and the new law doesn’t even go into effect until Jan. 1st, assuming the courts will uphold it.
There are cities denying free services, such as medical and education, to illegals; the courts allowing them to continue will set precedent, the wall will become virtual and exist not on the border but throughout the U.S.
When you arrest a illegal here in the Houston area don’t depend n ICE to do anything. They have a litany of excuses why they can’t come get them.
Hamous
Its a question to be considered it was not meant as a statement
How are you going to feel if we drag children frightened out of the schools and load them on to prison busses?
#12 It’s a ridiculous supposition meant to play on people’s emotions. You’re dredging up images of horrific historical events and trying to equate them to the deportation of people here illegally. It makes for a good Hollywood movie script but has no basis in reality.
Wouldn’t be great if we were doing this all over Texas so that the ILLEGAL were advised by their consulates to avoid Texas for fear of deportation.
Just imagine the savings to the TAX PAYERS if the ILLEGALS pulled their children from the schools, quit using the free health care, stopped asking for government handouts, etc., and avoided Texas all together.
Hamous
No it isnt
Thats what we call a dodge - have you seen a deportation, have you seen Raymoundville camp where a child or two dies every month?
I’m not conjuring up anything more than people who are urging the police to deport the children
The basis for reality are right here kids by now the hundreds are dropping out of school because they are planning to SWEEP the schools
When they grabbed all those hundreds of workers at the meat packing plants, The ICE had holy heck to pay as schools were deluged with children coming back saying their parents were missing.
A once conservative community was outraged.
Sounds good in theory, doesn’t fly real well with the basic Americana that built this country.
People working, dragged away from work separated from their children, their homes isn’t sitting well when actually witnessed first hand.
Sure deport criminals thats a no brainer - heck even extend it to the criminals family
But to solve the problem, to address the law, mass deportations are the only answer
If we can stomach it.
Have you???? No, because YOU DON’T LIVE HERE. You’re just making stuff up again.
Hamous
Answer the question - I’ve seen mass deportations here buddy, Ive seen an entire group of 130 families deported just two blocks away. And that aint the only rodeo going on.
If you don’t want to answer it fine - its not a pleasant question to answer uprooting families, putting them into detention camps - now we have detention camps! Great I’m so real proud to be an American some times, these arn’t criminals these were people working for little pay, poor people.
America where poor people can be incarcerated for working for low wages and in poor conditions -
When you start inventing events without providing proof there’s not much point in talking to you. Bye-bye.
BL - I don’t care if the criminals are apprehended at work and then their children are put in foster care of reunited with the parents at the camps readying them for deportation. THEY ARE CRIMINALS!! Get it?? Where is your bleeding heart when a child whose parents committed some other crime are arrested why he/she is at school? Should all criminals be set free just because they have kids?
Eric,
Remember, the policy in Irving only affects people that have been arrested.
Crime is lower and criminals are being deported. Children staying out of school in this case has nothing to do with raids and everything to do with FUD’s being spread by pro-amnesty people.
In this case.
hamous
Here you go request granted
Gulf times
The Peninsula
The Khaleej Times (Dubai)
Start reading my friend - you will see the deportation orders as they happen weekly also remember freedom of the press is limited in dictatorships
For security reasons as everything I type on here is monitored I am limited as to what I can and will send.
But you would have to be here in the dust storms, the 130 plus heat, the plus 110 and 70 % humidity summers to understand
BigJolly
They were going through the school records and were planning a mass roundup
Thats why the kids were being yanked out of school and they as most school districts are - downplaying the actual number (they have this 140 page manual on attendance - no kidding - they can report almost any type of number on any day)
But I just posed the question
I mean everyone knows from ICE, DHS to Ice station Zebra that they easyiest way to roundup the illegals is to nab em at school their parents are not going to abandon them and if they are illegal then they are subject to internment and deportation or jail time.
Its not a FUD its now becoming reality
#23 Eric
I don’t believe that. The officials specifically stated that the program was betweeen ICE and the IPD and only applies to people that have already been arrested.
There is no mention anywhere that I can find about ICE planning a raid upon any school, anywhere. I stand to be corrected but I cannot find it.
Bannable - I have not read nor heard of any reports of ICE going into schools and rounding up kids so that they can be used as bait.
They were according to a report on drudge that was there then taken down
They have requested registration documents from Klein ISD in the past it was discussed at the board meetings - and also at Spring and Cy-Fair.
Klein had brought up the issue and tabled it when several people asked were we accepting foriegn birth certificates without naturalization papers
This could quite possible be a contigency plan a head count - etc - and it quite possibly could be a plan for mass deportations if the courts order it (ot actually allow it)
And green cards were we at Klein determining legal residency status
Dcgirl
Many school district do, kids who are suspended or go to disciplinary hearings some school districts - if there is doublt of legal residency turn their papers over to ICE
Its not advertised most districts don’t but some routinely do
Look 5 years ago I was fighting this battle that school ditricts should not be hiding illegal aliens - that any information of a crime must be under texas statute turned over to the authorities.
But 5 years ago no one gave a flip
#29 - Good - if there is an illegal alien in school who is causing problems then he should be deported!
The law is clear and Rick can back me up there are specific statutes that state employees handling children if there is some reasonable basis for a crime must report it
They are not
If only Bannable was right and we were actually using all means available to Identify, track, and deport ILLEGALS.
Alas he is just making up stories again.
#32 - please explain your last post.
Ha! It is to laugh, no?
This is interesting, I would like to read the article, was it in the Des Moines Register, could you provide a link?
Nat, I believe that Eric is referring to the New Bedord, MA raid. Children were indeed left to fend for themselves. There have been hearings to try to improve the way ICE handles children that are affected.
So are we dealing with complete morons here? Anyone ever hear of Similac?
BigJolly
It was worse in the Meat Packing plants this affected if I remember right about 1500 children but it was not just an overnight process. Some kids were without their parents, cause mom was picked up in one plant and daddy was picked up in another plant and separated. some kids were on their own for DAYS. And then it got worse, some kids were not reunited with their parents for weeks
Americans just are not going to stand for this
Sure we want a secure border, sure we want criminal aliens and say even their families deported but not this folks people are just not going to stand for it
America still means something to people
You can google all you want but there is no one definitive story that wraps up all of it in an easy to read bundle so everyone can tick off this and that.
First ICE used DHS regs to not depart much if hardly any information - national security.
So bury your heads in the sand call me a liar - but it did happen - it is a logistical nightmare thats not easy to solve. and we want to do this to 6, 12, 20 million people
The mind staggers thats almost the entire casualty figure for every country in World War II complete war dead
As long as America is a beacon of opportunity people are going to come here
And as someone said earlier, the purple fingered Iraqis come here legally
Thats a geographic problem, if Iraq was on our border, there would be millions of them here illegally right now
Because millions of Iraqis fled to Jordan and Syria even some to Israel believe it or not and they didn’t get visas either
Not so cut and dried
Eric,
I didn’t call you a liar, I said that I couldn’t find anything like the allegations you made and that I stood to be corrected. And I really don’t think my head is buried in the sand.
#37 Thanks,
We need our law enforcement and they need to be respected, too often it seems they go out of their way to lose the respect of those that support them.
Assuring authority is respected is necessary, taking advantage to assert that authority brings contempt.
Preparing for the children would have been a humanitarian gesture and less expensive than the review, a little thoughtfulness goes a long way.
The legal complaint contends that during the December 12th raids workers were denied access to telephones, bathrooms and legal counsel. Citizens and legal residents also were deprived of the opportunity to retrieve documents to establish their legal status. Some workers were handcuffed. Others were shipped out on buses. Families, schools and daycare centers could not be contacted to make arrangements for the children of detained workers. Families were left divided and scared—not knowing where or when they might see a missing family member again.
http://www.ufcw.org/press_room/index.cfm?pressReleaseID=349
Sorry BigJolly that post should not have been addressed to you
I apologize sorry
What I was remembering was I think a nighttime raid at Hormel.
Unfortunately kids woke up to no parents
But regardless just focus on the 6 meat packing plants and the legal complaints
US CItizens were deported, detained, interred and separated from their families
they were denied all of their constitutional rights
The situation with the children was widespread and intolerable for this countrys standard of law enforcement and human decency
And we want to do this to 6, 12 20 million people?
Whose going to pay for the armu of litigators who will be flooding the federal courts with justifiable wrongful imprisonment lawsuits?
Build the wall deport the criminals but a solution has to be reached - people just are not going to stand for families separated
I was the one that said he was making things up. The names of Middle Eastern newspapers without links to back up his allegations does not constitute proof. If he wants to provide verifiable evidence of his claims let him do so. Otherwise, based on history we can only assume he is, well, making things up. These outlandish claims are dangerous and cannot go unchallenged. We’ve been down this road too many times before. Remember the lead-in-water discussion?
#43 - I would STRONGLY suspect ANYTHING you post from that site. Who do you think they are going to be behind.
I have NO sympathy for illegals in this country. NONE. If you want to blame ANYONE for the children, how about blaming the PARENTS for bringing them here in the first place, and the PARENTS for putting the children in any “situation” that’s “wrong” (according to you).
You’re using a Red Herring to derail the thread (something that “supposedly” happened somewhere else and has NOTHING related to this story). You’re bringing hearsay and rumors here to try and move people to feel “sorry” for illegals (officials rounding up kids and using them as “bait” to get to their illegal parents).
So did the parents leave the kids alone at night? If so it’s another reason they should be arrested. But don’t blame law enforcement for arresting criminals. If the criminals cared about their kids they wouldn’t put them in the situation in the first place.
In fairness, both sides are guilty of using hyperbole on this issue. But the bottom line is you should obey the law, including entering the country legally. If you don’t, the law needs to be enforced because it is the right thing to do. If any traumatic event occurs the onus is on those who chose to break the law not on the LEOs enforcing the law.
Did we kill this thread? or just scare them away by showing their hypocritical statements?
#49 Hamous - very well said.
#12:
“How are you going to feel if we drag children frightened out of the schools and load them on to prison busses?”
There you go with the typical libral yardstick known as the “How does it make me feel?” measurment
You want to know how I “feel”…?
1st, I’d “feel” *anger* at the U.S. governmant for allowing their parents to bring them into this country to begin with!
Thought I’d have more arguments, but this just about covers it! Everything else that follows is a spin-off on the government not doing their job - securing our boarders!
After the government, the parents are at fault; then the schools - for allowing the kids to be enrolled in the first place. And don’t try to tell me they can’t identify these kids. When we moved here in ‘71 I had to produce birth certificates for each of my four, white, anglo, children!
Do they ignore or relax the law for Hispanics????
As long as Mexico refuses to give its citzens clean running water, toilets and cement floors, trash pickup, jobs, people are going to come here . Eric, your worry is misguided. Are you as concerned about the little girl who has to be told her mom is not ever coming home, because an illegal drunk driver just killed her? Are you worried about TB and other disease these incredible poor people bring? Eric, are you worried about the gand influence on these kids?
No one has to worry about ICE raiding schools. They wont even come to take one that you have under arrest much less have to actually persue one.
That is technically correct but if ICE took an extra, what - an hour, to make preparation for the children it would be a human-interest story in their favor instead they shoot themselves in the foot.
In addition, if one of these children mortally suffered, the court may well consider the lack of preparation negligent.
#55 - you have to be freakin’ kidding!
So what would happen is the raper’s and killer’s would now demand “equal” treatment and that would snowball.
How about NOT breaking the laws in the first place so you don’t have to worry. It’s worked for me and millions of others for hundreds and thousands of years (well…for me just under 40).
Not kidding, allowing a child to die because you are busy arresting an illegal is not good PR;
the child did not commit the crime the parent did.
Taking an extra hour to make sure the children are secure is a good thing, any way you cut it.
Nat, I agree with you. A little prevention goes a heckuva long way in public relations. The ICE raids in several locations could have been better planned.
Nat - how does arresting a child’s parent cause the child to die? Were they left alone and that is the reason? If so, then the parent is to blame. This could snowball and everyone that commits a crime would be allowed to walk free because LEO was busy checking to see if the lawbreaker (1) had any kids (2) where the kids were (3) make sure that someone was taking care of the kids. Whoops, that time I spent spinning my wheels just let a murderer, rapist, robber, etc. go free! But hey, at least we got good PR!
#59 dcgirl:
If perchance you were to be arrested while your child was in school, you informed the officer of the situation, and asked for responsible action to secure your child when school let out, and the officer said ‘tough, you should have thought about it when you left the house without your insurance card’, you may have a different perspective.
#57 & #58 - I’d be willing to bet lessons were learned from any incident that may have harmed a child. If the children were home alone there are two problems: 1) why were they left alone? 2) why didn’t the parents notify ICE immediately that there were children in danger?
Has any specific incident been documented? I mean besides in the mind of some of our more imaginative commentors?
Questions 1 and 2 are reasonable but the scenario both parents gone missing diminishes reason.
And for children at home: there is an age a child may be mature enough to leave school, come home and be responsible until parents come home from work, many of us have been there; however the folks not coming home is an unintended situation that will lead to an unintended consequence.
I agree completely. I was one of those children, even babysitting my younger siblings. But if the parents don’t divulge that information how could ICE know? If they did inform ICE and ICE did not take action then that would be negligence on their part.
Hamous
Also though many US Citizens were nabbed in the raid, completely deprived of their constitutional rights were not allowed to return to their homes not just a few
The CGI raid in Houston in the summer of 97 was worse. This was a large international dessert maker based in Houston and the nightshift was raided everyone including my good friend who was a legal German Resident for 20 years and a naturalized citizen was hauled off.
1 out of 4 were illegal citizens, but they had detained over a hundred citizens, some for days, away from their homes, and their children
Raids are not going to work period. Too many citizens and noncitizens mixed together to be effective.
And look guys your going to need if you nad 1,000 people 2000 support staff from CPS etc they just don’t have that many people and they (ICE), want to keep these raids quiet, thats why they come in fast, round up everyone, and haul em off.
Not going to go down with the Americans
If the parents do not inform LEO, it is the parent’s fault.
LEOs would be negligent if they were informed and did not secure the children, that would be a bitter pill and I do think LEO would do see to it the children were secure.
There are posts here reflecting, children be damned get those evil illegals, this is not what we are about as a people, children, any child is an innocent and to hold a child in contempt because of their parents actions is wrong.
Bannable:
Earlier I requested a link and received a union website to verify a police action, that is no good.
The action you stated as edified would have been reported in a local publication and you could not provide evidence, therefore this conversation is supposition.
Union’s in their death throes, having killed the American Steel Industry and in process killing the American Auto Industry, will do anything to sign anybody as a member.
#66 Nat, we are in agreement on that as well. I also disagree with rounding up children of illegals in schools. That is unnecessary. What I attempted to get from EPJ all day was a link to the stories he was telling. All I got were the names of Middle Eastern publications (with no links), Union propaganda (as you eloquently described), and unverifiable anecdotal memories. Not much to discuss there.
In Texas, FWIW, its standard practice to report folks to ICE upon CONVICTION, not arrest. Then an immigration detainer is put on them and they’re deported when they finish their sentence.
To deport upon arrest instead of conviction means offenders don’t face as significant punishment, especially since so many people who are deported just come back over almost immediately.
This is one of those policies that sounds reasonable to those who support any harsh policy toward illegal immigrants, but there’s a reason the justice system does things the way they do.
All seems well to hear that police are fighting crime until you hear the truth about the police in Irving, Texas. I have lived here for 42 years and have seen police pick up and deliver drugs, patrol for the drug gang on Catalina Way. they use ambulances and fire trucks to pick up and deliver equipment and materials, and they have a covert operative named Juan Sanchez who sprays witnesses with toxic chemicals while they are sleeping which caused one lady, Christine Dinger to go blind. It also causes bronchial problems and severe eye inflammation. Then Juan and others gangstalk the victim 24 hrs a day until they are sleep deprived, exhausted, and they have to abandon their homes and their property. Gangstalking is a familiar tactic of the irving police and fire department to control witnesses of the nightly gang activity. If you would like to see it all happen, sit on Catalina Way and watch 2517. It is a drive-thru drug depot from one end of the street to the other and it is run and supported by the IPD.
When the gangstalking begins they spray you with chemicals and if you survive, they take over your house, come in while you are sleeping (naked! in bed) and get in your personal belongings and steal your IDs, cards, and keys, then they steal everything they want, break your cameras and lights, stay on your roof at night walking back and forth and shooting you with tazers and microwave emitters. Then they set up a microwave barrage like the one illustrated at mikrowellenterror.de on the bildergalerie page. They use a converted satellite dish and an antenna (2509 Catalina Way), an High Frequency Radio Source and another antenna mounted in a vehicle.
All these new age weapons are available through the IPD and are shared with this gang to use on witnesses who see their thriving drug business and vehicle theft business. Irving has one of the highest vehicle theft rates in the nation. WHY? The IPD helps them steal the cars at night with tow trucks and car haulers in the city parks and at the Irving mall. They park a tow truck at the corner of Story and Shady Grove or Story and Oakdale and use it during the night. When you have witnessed these things with your very own eyes, you start to look at the Irving police and fire department a little differently.
They are the criminals! They need to be sentenced to death for betraying the public trust. Deportation would be too easy a sentence.
No kidding. I’ll give you more information if you want. People are suffering at the hands of the Irving Police. They are the bad guys. Don’t let these rosy stories fool you. They like these kind of stories written about them to make their public image look good. I know the truth and so do they. They belie their guilt when you press them. They know what they are. Putrid beasts who deserve to suffer for what they have done to innocent people who just happen to live on the street where they practice their deceit.
Skizit