Once again, the moderator tried to steal the show. They really, really need to get away from having these celebrity television hosts do double duty as debate moderators.
- Duncan Hunter - F - no impact, poor performance. He seems to have decided that China is enemy number one and free trade should be flushed down the toilet. Strange to hear that from a conservative. Time to drop out.
- John McCain - B - seemed angry during the first half of the debate, which is never a good thing for him. Pulled it together during the second half, was passionate about free trade. I upgraded him from a C to a B because he
was the only one to saysaid that ethanol subsidies are wrong. - Mike Huckabee - F - no impact. His supporters, of which I am one, will point to his lack of time alloted. But his real problem was that he didn’t use the time he had forcefully and effectively. Screwed up his worker pay inequity position so badly that he sounded like Hillary. I’d say it was time to drop out but I’m still holding out hope (it’s called friendly bias).
- Mitt Romney - C - should have been a good debate for him because of the focus on economics. But he took on Rudy and got his ass handed to him. And what would he do if faced with a potential national security issue? Sit down and discuss it with his attorneys.
- Ron Paul -
FD - has become a punching bag for Rudy. His voice was shriller than usual. He is not a Republican. When asked if he would support the party’s nominee regardless of who it was, he said no. Time to drop out and form his little third party. UPDATED - changed grade to D because he too said ethanol subsidies were a bad idea. - Rudy Giuliani - B - once again, he was able to take over the debate. Probably because Chris Matthews clearly favored him but also because he just has the ability to do that. Not spectacular but solid. Really knocked the wind out of Romney’s sails on taxes and tax cuts.
- Sam Brownback - D - no impact, needs to drop out but I give him a D instead of an F because he had the singular best line of the night - This Country Rocks! About time someone said that.
- Tom Tancredo -F - I thought he was finally going to show that he was more than a single issue candidate when he discussed discretionary spending vs. mandated spending. Then he reverted back to his standard “illegals are bad” position on everything. And like the honorable Dr. Paul, he too said he would not support the nominee if he didn’t agree with him on everything. Go away, free up more time for others.
- Fred Thompson - A - because the expectations were so low and he met them. Very, very poor start but recovered nicely. Solid conservative positions on everything except ethanol subsidies - he really wants to do well in Iowa, I guess. But, he didn’t screw up, which is all he had to do in this one.
Why did Chris Matthews have to interject himself into the debate? Just like the Fox debate when Chris Wallace mocked Ron Paul. The organizers need to address these guys and put them in their place.
So, who was the winner? No question it was Thompson, simply because he didn’t screw up. He also had solid conservative positions across the board, with that single ethanol subsidy exception. But Rudy and McCain also did well. Four of these guys should drop out today, giving more time to the guys that actually have a chance. After this debate, perhaps five.
UPDATED - A new member of LST pointed out that Ron Paul also said that ethanol subsidies were a bad idea. The transcript at the WSJ verifies this.
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I don’t know about the ethanol subsidies. The price of corn stayed high and there is none coming from the feds. Is this a subsidy for refining and making it? Corn sold at around $9.25 a bushel, up from ( I don’t remember the exact figure) $6? last year.
As to Duncan Hunter on China… China is buildinga huge military and here is an interesting link today.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/09/news/china.php
Great assessment.
Ron Paul is crazed more than I thought. Very poor showing by Duncan Hunter and Tom Tomcredo, they seemed not to be focused at all.
Tancredo.
Ron Paul won the CNBC online poll with 74% (one vote per IP address). He’s also the majority of the GOP Straw Polls - 14 wins to date out of 32, and 26 times in the top three. The other debaters showed their colors by all agreeing they did not need to bother with the constitution anymore which requires Congress to declare war.
Enjoyed Fred’s one-word reply to a Matthews question–”no”–with a following pregnant pause while Chris appeared stunned but quickly interjected himself once he recovered. I don’t recall what the particular question was, but the scene was delicious. Fred’s expression said he was enjoying the situation, and so was I.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/
I think Mike Huckabee may be a little soft on illegal immigration, but I’m putting my support behind him. I like his positions on everything else. Plus, being a former pastor AND playing in a band is a bonus.
I don’t think Thompson is living up to the hype; if he’s being measured against “not messing up” then he’s too little, too late.
BrianH,
Anyone that thinks Ron Paul won that debate is delusional.
It was a debate? Look more like a joint-parallel press conference with ample amounts of bologne being served up for the viewers to digest.
Simple
digitaldon37
He’s my guy too, which is why I graded him harder than anyone else, I expected more. He did well on the Fair Tax question.
But he really, really botched the pay inequity statement.
Bigjolly - that’s why you need to look at all the GOP straw polls to date- Ron Paul is offering salvation from the party that’s heading to oblivion by ignoring the constitution and true Republican limited government.
BrianH
I’ve typically given Ron Paul a pass because I’ve known about him so long, I figured you guys would get over this guy sooner or later.
But spamming polls to say he won that debate yesterday is just plain ridiculous. And this continuing obsession with saying no one but Ron Paul follows the constitution is bunk.
# 7 BrianH
Interesting exchange on that link between former Senator and Governor Weicker and Richard Winger:
In a phone conversation today between former US Senator and former Governor Lowell Weicker of Connecticut, and Richard Winger (editor of Ballot Access News), Weicker brought up the Republican presidential debate of October 9.
Weicker: “Did you see the debate?”
Winger: “No.”
Weicker: “Well, Ron Paul is by far the best Republican running. He did great! He is what the Republican Party used to be!”
There you go. Someone finally said it.
Folks have been saying things like “kick Ron out” since the first debate. It didn’t work then either.
I don’t doubt that after a strong showing in NH, opposition to Ron Paul will become even louder and less rational. Party leadership is scared of this man.
Good!
bob42
I’m certainly not party leadership and no one is afraid of him. My only beef with him is that he is taking up minutes in these debates when he clearly has no chance and he clearly is not a Republican.
Go ahead, leave and work on his third party. If it costs the Repubs the election, so be it. He is no longer entertaining enough to suffer listening to his whining in these debates.
Hmmm, I voted five times from the same computer just to see if it could be done. All I had to do was clear the cookie and presto!
We’ve been down this silly road before. Projecting results from 300 people holed up on a weekend in Greenbow Alabama is about as useless as teats on a boar hog.
Now that we’ve got that out in the open…
Just wait until he polls less than 4% in the first few primaries. The RP Leukocytes will be jumping up and down screaming conspiracy.
“Can’t you hear the blessed saviour callin you?”–Hank Williams
Correction. Less than 2%.
Just a closer walk with thee…
Ron Paul has every right to be irate! Politicians are using the constitution as toilet paper as our country is going down the crapper!
The fact that there are people who are not angry and are focusing on the pitch of a candidate’s voice instead of his message, is exactly the reason our nation is in trouble.
I DO wish Ron would work with a voice coach…
Two things. First, as far as using the constitution as toilet paper, the only people I see running around with paper copies in their pockets are the Paulbearers. You can figure out what I mean by that.
Second, this country is NOT going into the crapper. As Sam Brownback said, this country rocks!
So, have you contributed $50 to Ron Paul Hamous?
In case you didn’t see it, you made that offer here in comment#74
http://lonestartimes.com/2007/10/09/repub-debate-freds-first-but-ron-paul-winning-pre-debate-poll/#comments
That’s the problem. The president isn’t supposed to be some sort of “savior”, he’s supposed to be an effective president. I’ve said it before and I will say it again - Ron Paul will not be an effective president, and that’s why he won’t be getting my vote.
And no, I’m not all that enamored of the “leading Republican candidates” either.
I said saviour because Ron Paul is the lone standout it seems to avert the GOP from it’s course towards big government, taking power from Congress and giving it to the President and personal liberty from the people all in the interests of “national security”. New Republicanism sounds like fascism to me and it will fail against Democrats unless it changes. The latest polls shows Ron Paul with 10% in NH (4th place) and 8% in MI (3rd Place) among moderates who qualify to vote in the GOP primary. See http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-surging-in-the-polls-among-moderates.html
Tancrendo should stop the presidential race and start campaigning for real immigration reform. I think it’s obvious there is no way in hell he will be the nominee. But start doing something else which he has a passion about. I’d be okay with that.
Guliani needs to think outside of new york.. it’s a big country and he’s too liberal.. bigjolly: I’m surprised you only gave him a B considering your man-crush.
Thompson stumbled out of the gate but seemed to gather some traction and got comfortable with the forum. I think a little more practice, he’ll be a good candidate for conservatives.
McCain is McCain.. of course he will come off angry.. His problem with free speech and love for illegals should bury him.
Huckabee and Hunter could have probably shined if given more time and questions. Huckabee in interviews sounds great.. but he just doesn’t seem to make contact in these “debate” forums..
Romney == Taxachusetts.. Plus forced health insurance for all? Are you f’in kidding me? Go back to your liberal haven with that silly talk.
Brownback was there?
Ron Paul was fantastic for entertainment and amusement factor.. He’s like the comedy relief in a serious tense discussion.
BrianH, history has show us that over time if a political party moves from it’s original position to something new, one of two things will happen. 1) the rank and file members will refocus the party and they will return to their roots. OR
2) the rank and file will abandon the leadership that has taken that path and form a new party, or join another party and continue down the trail that they desire. We do not need a savior, for the GOP, and besides if Ron Paul wanted to be the savior of the GOP he would not be running for POTUS but would instead be looking for a way to change the leadership of the GOP party at the city, county, state, and national levels. But no he is on a publicity and power trip just like everyone else who runs for president.
Ron Paul isnt a republican?
Good!
Let the dog and pony show continue.
Spot on, Brian…
New Republicanism sounds like fascism to me and it will fail against Democrats unless it changes.
The two party duopoly has turned this country into a welfare/warfare state. And a lot of folks don’t like that. Affiliation with both parties has been declining since Clinton’s second term, and the most successful neocon mouthpiece, Rush Limbaugh, has seen his ratings slide for the third year in a row.
Again I say, Good!
It is my sincere hope that Ron Pauls effort will permanently fracture the republican party into a group of war mongering neocon fascists, and people who want liberty and limited government powers.
bweldon. Maybe. But did you notice how many times Rudy and Mitt mention Hillary? It seems to me to cave in to the fear based warmongering that seems to be at the core of the “New Republicans” is to hand the election on a plate to Hillary Clinton. Cooler heads are needed and that’s why it’s important to understand clearly what the Founding Fathers intended for matters of war.
How did this thread degrade into a Ron-Paul poo throwing contest? did it get linked at the Daily Kos or something?
At least we are getting a little closer to the truth. The Paulbearers are admitting that they are not Republicans, don’t care about the party and think that Republicans are neocon fascists.
Good. Now go and form your little third, non-relevant party and stop taking time away from Republican candidates.
Cooler heads? Paulbearers? That’s funny.
Can you honestly blame him for that though? I for one will not commit to supporting any and every potential candidate in the running right now. Specifically, there are some major issues that would need to be resolved in order for me to openly support Giuliani.
I suspect that many other conservatives have similar misgivings about Giuliani, and I know that several well known Republicans have indicated outright that they could not support him as the nominee - James Dobson, Gary Bauer, and Alfonse D’Amato to name a few.
So why are Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo “wrong” to have the same reservations with a LIBERAL candidate like Rudy? And why should they get points knocked off in the debate for simply stating those reservations?
And no - the fact that you keep portraying Rudy as the “only candidate who can beat Hillary” is not a sufficient answer.
Like it or not, there are many politicians out there who do NOT deserve our votes simply because they have the letter R next to their names. Rick Perry is one of them. There’s a good chance that Rudy Giuliani is another one of them. If anything, Tancredo and Paul should be commended for answering the question honestly instead of feeding us a bunch of meaningless “party unity” crap to prop up liberal candidates in the “first tier.”
#34 BigJoke
Howd ya cme away with Paulbearers not being republicans at all?
“It is my sincere hope that Ron Pauls effort will permanently fracture the republican party into a group of war mongering neocon fascists, and people who want liberty and limited government powers.”
It seems to me they just want the real conservatives to step up.
#23 -
That’s a fair criticism. It should be noted though that, while we like to celebrate presidents for their oratory skills, the current president has amply demonstrated that they are NOT a prerequisite for the job.
bigjolly I see you wrote this report. Are you paid by this newspaper to insult anyone who supports Ron Paul? It’s true Ron Paul is attracting huge numbers of people to the Republican Party. And most of them are routinely screened out from the telephone polls and some GOP straw polls. This seems undemocratic and isolationist.
bigjolly
I mostly agree with you though I really think you graded Fred too high. But I know it’s a sincere grade since he’s not your guy.
I loved it when Ron Paul squealed like a stuck pig when Rudy set him straight on 911. Can you imagnine how some foreign tyrant would dismember him if he were ever President?
5. Brian
Straw polls - ha! It’s called spamming. Did you ever wonder why, when people are allowed to call in or vote on line, he gets these artificial numbers, and when pollsters choose a cross section of voters he gets, uh, 2%?
12. Brian
Well, thanks for finally admitting it - Ron Paul supporters think he’s some sort of God (kind of like a kid and the Power Rangers). And you wonder why people think you’re kooks?
14. Mikey
Lowell Weiker? Hahahahahahahahahahahahah.
27. Brian
Would you care to predict which primaries Ron Paul will win? And then, will you come back here to discuss them after REAL votes are taken? And when Ron Paulson takes his squirrely little Barney Fife voice and runs a third party campaign to feed his ego and punish the Republicans for not being as nutty as he is, will the Paulbots be proud to hand the White House to Hillary? Ater all, she’s such a Libertarian.
All
Do we need any more evidence that Chris Matthews is an ass?
31.
Ah, the Ron Paul supporters show their true colors. As I have claimed here, this campaign is not about Ron Paul trying to be President, it’s about him trying to destroy the Republican Party. What a leader!!
#29 -
Can’t be done though. That simply isn’t how the GOP organizational structure works. It’s a very top-down organization with the heaviest input coming from the White House and from Governor’s mansions. The rank and file are technically given a “vote” in the party leadership, but it’s really nothing more than a rubber stamp for decisions that were made long before.
Just look at the floor proceedings at modern political conventions. They technically hold “elections” among the delegates for the convention chair and for various party offices. They’re never contested though, and they always end when some bagman for the RNC goes up to the microphone and says “Mr. Chairman, I move to make the appointment of (Insert RINO here) unanimous!”
That’s why our own RNC, despite supposedly having a conservative majority, was unable to stop the appointment of Mel Martinez. It’s also why the RNC was unable to even pass a resolution opposing amnesty (hint to Texans: ask your RNC member Bill Crocker how he voted on that one).
I think the republican party has been taken over by neocon facists, and there’s plenty of indications that they are now in the minority.
I’m all for a third party, but instead of calling it the Neocon party, they might be able to fool more people by calling it the Guns & Butter party
Btw, Bush secured a republican loss for 2008 long before RP decided to run. Blame defeat on Ron Paul if you like, but this party has been in serious trouble for a long time.
36. Phil
If you are going to run for President on the Republican ticket, you ought to be a Republican. If you’re a Republican, you ought to be able to say you will vote for your candidate.
Paul is by no means a Republican, and I don’t know what Tancredo is, besides a bitterman.
Is fracture and destroy the same thing?
Maybe we should let it continue to runs its liberal fauxcon course?
#39 -
In Jolly’s defense, this is an unfair criticism. He isn’t paid by anybody (to my knowledge), and his main axe to grind is not with Ron Paul.
That honor belongs exclusively to Fred Thompson.
Ricky
You left out Rudy.
39
We all chip in 20 bucks a week and give it jolly.
He’s praying like hell RP keeps this side show running til next November.
That judgment is strictly normative, and one that I strongly disagree with. It is entirely possible to be a good Republican”
Rick - a fair analysis of the GOP straw polls around the nation is posted here: http://www.redpills.org/?p=283 These are real votes by real GOP members and Ron Paul wins the majority of them. Fear is a powerful weapon to get the masses to comply with the dictates of the masters. Solutions are there in the Constitution.
39 Brian
What’s your evidence for that? The Libertarian Party does no better than 3% in presidential races. Even if all of those folks joined the GOP, that would not be “huge numbers.”
More imporantly, they don’t join the GOP. They sign up to vote for Ron Paul, and after the primaries will put on their Libertarian party hats and go back to voting for fringe candidates.
It is true that Paul may get a higher percentage in some primaries than he is polling at. But that’s not because Republicans are voting for him. That’s because a group of Libertarian opportunists are going to vote in the primaries. Besides, on his best day he will not come within a sniff of the nomination. He is just here to hurt the GOP.
That’s how The Honorable Dr. Paul defines honor.
46
Yes, we all know his main axe to grind is Fred Thompson.
:>)
The comments by crazed supporters are almost as amusing as Ron-Paul himself!
So are his neighbor’s kids. That’s no reason to vote for someone.
Oops. got cutoff. Here’s the rest:
It is entirely possible to be a “good Republican” but decline to support a particular Republican candidate who is bad for the party and has several personal and political shortcomings.
Are the thousands of otherwise die hard Republicans across Texas who bolted for Kinky or Strayhorn in the last election disloyal because they didn’t stick with their party’s candidate? Or did they simply have a good reason to bolt because the candidate the GOP gave them was Rick Perry?
Being one of the ones who bolted but nevertheless a lifelong Republican, I prefer to think that I fall into the latter category.
50. Brian
Then, as I ask, tell me which primaries Ron Paul will win?
And those polls are not represenative of the Republican party. They are skewed by the invasion of Paulbots, who will be gone as soon as he is.
Maybe you haven’t been on this site much, Brian. But we’ve heard all the claims (not to mention the self-righteousness) of the Paulbearers. In fact, many of us knew what Ron Paul was before many of you ever heard of him.
You’re convincing nobody here with your phony claims.
Did the author even watch the debate? McCain was not the only one to say ethanol subsidies were the wrong way to go. Paul also said that.
“So, if we want a prosperous economy here, we have to change these policies and we can’t be bailing out farmers and
subsidizing ethanol — this is just the wrong way to go.”
You get an F for not watching the debate you’re writing about.
What’s a facist? Is that someone who judges others based on their faces?
49. Phil
It is possible to be a good Republican and vote for a Democrat (though I can’t imagine how that maxim would apply to this race).
However, in my view, it is not possible to be a good Republican candidate and vote for a Democrat nominee. If that is a canddiate’s view, he should admit he is not a real Republican and should run as an independent or minor party candidate.
And I won’t even get into the “send them a message” nonsense.
Rick - my evidence that Ron Paul is attracting huge numbers of new members to the Republican Party is based on the number of Meet-up groups around the country, the ever growing rallies ( reportedly more than 800 at U of Michigan last night) and all measures of his support on the internet. E.g. this press release from his campaign:
Ron Paul’s YouTube channel reached over 30,000 subscribers on October 7. His is the leading “You Choose 08” presidential campaign channel, with nearly three times more supporters than Democratic candidate and supposed internet campaign darling, Barack Obama, who places second with over 11,000 subscribers. Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s channel is the fifth most popular with slightly more than 3,000 subscribers, or one tenth of Ron Paul’s support. Fellow Republican Rudy Giuliani lags behind with over 2,000 subscriptions, followed by John McCain and Mike Huckabee with just over 1,000 each. All other Republican candidates have fewer than 1,000 YouTube supporters.
“In all leading online metrics, Dr. Paul is dominating the field,” said Paul campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul’s message of freedom, peace, and prosperity is resonating strongly with Americans, and attracting new supporters every day.”
Dr. Paul’s video channel has been viewed 4.5 million times by supporters who embrace his message of freedom and limited government, making him one of the most-watched presidential candidates in internet history. His is also the 39th most popular channel of all time.
50. Brian
Is that the one you carry in your breast pocket, next to your heart?
Oh the irony! Take a stroll over to any (or all) neo-nazi website and see who they’re supporting. Your boy Ron Paul! Even the American Nazi Party candidate is ticked because RP is siphoning off the fascist vote he usually has sewn up. You chuckleheads keep ignoring that fact hoping we’ll forget about it but it ain’t gonna happen.
#58 Matt
I was thinking the republican party was taken over by liberal fauxcons.
Many of the major players (top tier) are not conservatives.
43.
Maybe that explains why Ron Paul suddenly wants to claim he’s a Republican. Makes sense given some of his supporters.
#40 RickG
I only graded him that high because I was trying to relate it to the expectations that he had upon him. He made it through without saying that the Soviet Union was a threat. That is real progress for him.
I see theonlypatriot is back. Did you forget how to spell Julie?
#54 - Matt, In fairness, I’d be much more afraid if I was Rudy Giuliani’s neighbor.
Think domestic disputes galore, the wife-of-the-month storming out in a rage at 2 am, a constant stream of floozies slipping in and out the back window, gay couples coming to live with him for weeks at a time, estranged kids, estranged family members, and just wait till it’s time to take the kids trick-or-treating and he comes to the door in his Marilyn Monroe costume.
Living next to Rudy would kinda be like living next to…well…Bill Clinton.
Brian,
That is simply a perfect example of what these people do, they play on your fears, Mitt and Rudy are standing there pointing to their left and saying see I am conservative, but the problem is they are pointing out Hilary, and about 80% of those in DC are conservative in comparison to her. They are playing on your fears that people will vote for her. You have to look at each person’s record as well as their position on the issues and then decide. The stirrings of grassroots GOP rebellion are already showing, all you have to do is look at the last statewide election here in Texas.
I don’t think Tancredo and Paul (or Dobson or Bauer) gave any indication they would vote for a Democrat though. Knowing the politics of those guys, I seriously doubt any one of them would even consider it. IF they bolted, it would be to a third party on the right, not on the left.
60. Brian
Wow, 800 people at a Michigan rally. That should put him over the top.
For the third time - please list the primaries Ron Paul will win.
Why can you list a bunch of phony numbers from spammed polls and internet sites and not answer a simple question? I mean, if you believe the numbers you are quoting mean something, then he pretty much has the nomination sewed up, right? (Are you really a Democrat double-agent?)
Oh, and nice job re-typing RP’s latest press release. You do have good typing skills.
bigjolly you haven’t answered my question - you wrote this piece, are you paid to do so? And if so does this newspaper support you to attack anyone who supports Ron Paul
65. big
Good line. You should have used that in the article.
Hey bigjolly, Brian thinks your getting paid!! Ha!
If you are, I want to talk to Benzion.
71 BrianH
Do you really think I attack anyone who supports Ron Paul? Go back and read what I’ve written about him and his supporters again.
Truly, the only people I like to attack are the bloviators that sit behind a desk pretending to experts on every subject in the universe.
Sweeping the primaries is not a realistic goal for Paul. I do think he has a shot of making a strong showing in New Hampshire right now. Depending on how he concentrates his money and troops, he could pick up a couple of other states…or at least place high enough to get a portion of their delegates.
If I were advising Paul that would be my advise - try to pick up some delegates in the early states so you have some weight to throw around at the convention. If there’s a genuine floor fight those delegates could be essential in defeating Giuliani if they get pledged to a less-offensive top tier like Thompson. If there’s no floor fight, then well - time to have fun with it and disrupt the dog and pony show.
Why the hell else would I put up with nonsense like I see on this thread?
#73, Rick,
I think you will have a fight on your hands to be the first in that line to talk to David about getting paid to post here. And I think Squawk and Matt will be at the front of that line….
#71 - He’s paid with fiat currency so its worthless.
For the record, none of the LST Frontpagers receive any monetary compensation. Watching the RP Leukocytes swarm in is payment enough.
Ugh.. I’ll throw some poo then..
Stating HOW much support Ru Paul is getting does not convince ANYONE that he is a great candidate. Quote all the spammed polls and huge rallys does not make a candidate. You love your savior. Good for you! You’ve yet made any convincing argument that he’s the best person for president. Talk about how wonderful he is. Don’t talk about how everyone is jumping off the cliff, so we should too!
Otherwise.. you Paul nutjobs have ZERO credibility and should return to your rock you crawled from under.
You’re kidding, right? What “online metrics”? Subscribers to a youtube channel? Yawn.
Internet buzz does not equal huge support. And even if it does, so what? Ron Paul is not qualified in my mind to be POTUS.
What I really find amusing is that the same people that said we should try to change the party in the primaries are now saying that it’s okay if a candidate takes his ball home if he loses.
Having a candidate say that is quite different than having a voter say it.
75.
Of course he will score higher than his polling because the Libertarians will come just to vote for him and skew the results. He has little mainstream party support.
You think disrupting the convention and harming the party is a good thing. I think it’s the thinking of petty and egotistical people. Further, it’s one of those things that can help guarantee the White House for the Democrats. I wish people who want to do that would stop claiming to be Republicans.
Rick- why resort to ad hominem attacks? I am not making predictions but am a new supporter the Republican Party for Ron Paul. He’s offering hope based on a sound understanding of economics and not phony “visions” based on nothing but fear and manipulation which is politics as usual. He’s the only one to understand why the dollar is plunging and the need to address the problem at it’s root - to take the control of the issuing of money from the private bankers and give it to the government where it belongs.
#75 Phil
There is one problem with your advice. Now I may be wrong but, I believe that in most states it is a winner take all as far as the delegates are concerned. So Ron would have to focus on winning certain states to have the political weight at the convention.
And if that is the case then what states should he be looking to capture?
Straight from the conspiracy threads. This stuff is getting old.
Can any of the Ron Paul supporters point to a single bill that Ron Paul pushed through Congress?
#80, jimb
BINGO, just ask Howard Dean how far the Internet took him towards being elected….
80 jimb
Wasn’t President Howard Dean a huge internet sensation?
And if I go watch a YouTube video to laugh at Dr. Ron Paulson stating how mall security guards are doinb a better job than our soldiers in Iraq, do Paulbots count that as indication of my support?
Hey bigjolly, doesn’t look like you’ve corrected your article yet…McCain still the only one saying ethanol subsidies are wrong? Why should we pay any attention to your article if you can’t get the basic facts right?
83. Brian
Paul supporters routinely come on this site and, with their typical arrogance, suggest only they have found the Holy Grail and have all Real Knowledge. They invite abuse.
You say you are a “new” Republican. If Ron Paul does not get the nomination, will you be voting Republican? Will you be attending GOP rallies and supporting GOP candidates?
And I guess you’re not going to tell us which primaries Paul will win.
Before you RP guys start slinging around the “neocon fascist” label you better pump out your own cesspool.
Bigjolly - so you think Jefferson was a conspiracy theorist?
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.” Thomas Jefferson
91. hamous
How long before the Democrats repeat their old assertions that the GOP is the party of racists?
Thank you, Honorable Dr. Paul.
gryffydd
Do you have a transcript link for that? It is quite possible that I missed it, I have no doubt that RP is against ethanol subsidies. For whatever reason, I didn’t hear him say it. Was it when the other guys were polled? Perhaps I was too pissed that they were all for it.
If it’s true, I’ll correct it. Remember, my only ax to grind is with Arthur.
BrianH
Did I miss the time warp and we are back in time?
91.
Has anyone heard Ron Paul renounce the support of the White Supremists, or their fundraising efforts? You Paulbearers posting here with files of all his press releases, can you give us the ones rejecting the support?
71
I’d think twice about calling LST a newspaper. Bramanti may borrow Benzion’s sword and come after you.
95. big
Isn’t it amazing how, according to Paulbearers, every statement our Founding Fathers ever made was directed to 2008, and none to the time they were living in?
bigjolly. I think the Constitution is still in place, though most of the debaters on stage last night think it’s an out-dated cultural relic.
Well yall can flog me if ya like - as I have YET to watch one of these debates……..and I’m still going with my gut feeling……go FRED GO!
#95, BJ
you mean…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCcb3zRl8U
RickG, the closest any of these guys have come to explaining why RP has the Nazi vote sewn up was “well, every candidate has their kooks” and then compared Mormons to Nazis. Incredulous.
I love it. Disagree with someone and you are attacking them. Typical bailout for when one cannot defend their position.
Now back to the topic at hand.
Whoohoo Ron Pauk “dominating” the internet. “Youtube clicks” and “You Choose 08”? Considering that it has already been PROVEN that RPAcolytes sit around and pad the results,,, so what?
CNBC had to take down their predebate online poll because the result were so skewed. Yep integrity, intellectually honesty abounds through the Ron Paul campaign,
99.
Point me again to the part of the constitution that contains the Thomas Jefferson quote?
LOL, got me Bill. I was thinking that was a link to the point in the debate where Dr. Paul said he was against ethanol. Nice surprise.
#105, glad to provide a little levity during this “debate”
Transcript of the debate:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119196048730753698.html
If the link doesn’t work, just go to the Campaign 2008 section of wsj.com and you’ll find it.
Big Jolly, do you think Thomas Jefferson’s quote should be updated to our era?
Perhaps,
“I don’t believe that a central national bank is dangerous to our liberties.
The issuing power should be taken from the people and given to the (private corporately controlled) Federal Reserve Bank to whom it properly belongs.”
Does that update work for you gryffydd?
I just read the transcript of that part of the debate where Rudy b—-slapped Paul over Paul’s idiotic statements about 911, and then read him chapter and verse. What the transciprt didn’t catch was the hilarity of Paul shrieking like a little girl in the background.
Ron Paul as President would present a clear and present danger to the safety of our country.
Notice not a peep from the Paulbots about his White Supremecist supporters?
Still no response from the Leukos on #91.
Especially when one “seriously” considers that he wants to implement isolationist policies with the thought that if we just leave the MidEast all our problems will go away. Imagine that….. bowing down to the likes of OB Laden. The guy is not even a world leader. But because he said so we gotta go.
New Ron Paul bumper sticker.
“He Said So, We Gotta Go”
I know it’s early in the primary election cycle but one has to wonder why the tier 2 candidates of both parties are still in the race. They will tell you the standard, “I want to make a change and I’m different” spin. But aren’t they in it for the bribes, I mean poltical contributions, so that they can first spend it their so-called campaign and they what happens with the rest of their “war chest”. They roll it into their own current campaigns, etc. So basically are they accepting double the contribution limit and don’t they get free press out of running.
Ronald Reagan was once ‘endorced’ by the KKK. Does that make him a racist?
There is nothing racist about Ron Paul or his policy ideas. To try to make him seem so is disingenuous.
cult - an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers…
Sometimes you gotta amputate the arm to save the person. 1980 was not one of those times. 2000 was not one of those times. This year is one of those times though, as was 1964 before it.
There’s certainly no shortage of petty egotists running around at RNC conventions. But if they can be used to accomplish something that’s better for the party in the long run, i’m not all that concerned if they get a temporary ego trip out of it.
Maybe, maybe not. It’s hard to tell because there hasn’t been a serious floor fight at a national convention in more than a quarter century, so there’s no good predictor for how it will play out. There is always risk involved, but again - that’s something i’m willing to take for the greater goo