You’ll recall that there was a debate this week featuring candidates for the Republican 2008 Presidential nomination. Being the good cable news network that they are, CNBC thought it prudent to put a poll up after the debate, sort of a “show of hands” to check the pulse of the viewers.
Well, that might have worked prior to the Paulbearer movement.
You guys are good. Real good. You are truly a force on World Wide Web and I tip my hat to you.
That’s based on my first hand experience of your work regarding our CNBC Republican candidate debate. After the debate, we put up a poll on our Web site asking who readers thought won the debate. You guys flooded it.
That’s right. The good doctor’s supporters decided to crash the party, as is their current modus operandi in this political season. CNBC boss Allen Wastler knew there was something wrong when he looked at the results.
Now Paul is a fine gentleman with some substantial backing and, by the way, was a dynamic presence throughout the debate , but I haven’t seen him pull those kind of numbers in any “legit” poll. Our poll was either hacked or the target of a campaign. So we took the poll down.
Why did CNBC take the poll down?
But you also ruined the purpose of the poll. It was no longer an honest “show of hands” — it suddenly was a platform for beating the Ron Paul drum.
And that drum is beat early and often. Is there any sanity left in the Paul supporter camp?
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“Is there any sanity left in the Paul supporter camp?”
What exactly is wrong with voting in online polls for our candidate of choice? Why is it insane to vote for the person we like in these “show of hands” type polls.
What is dishonest is spamming polls. Some integrity from supporters of the “Honorable” ron paul.
So I guess that only Ron Paul has supporters on the internet? And if the other candidates do have supporters on the net, I guess Paul supporters are the only ones smart enough to “spam” it? These excuses are lame. Isn’t voting the whole point of having a poll? So it is dishonorable to win the poll? These are sad excuses by people who don’t like Ron Paul (because they don’t like the constitution since it makes people responsible for themselves)
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Why does Paul tank in polls his flock can’t manipulate?
Because no one calls his flock on their cellphones. Or maybe it’s because the Lan line polls don’t even mention his name as a choice. Hmm.
How do you manipulate a cell phone poll like what Fox had anyway? Only one vote per cellphone was allowed. I guess 3 Paul supporters went out and bought thousands of phones?
And I guess the people who go to Straw polls and pay money to get in are all holograms? Or maybe ghosts? woooohoooo creepy.
Let’s see….4 of 7 comments, all from the same Paulbearer.
Yeah, that’s about par for the course.
Nice one. I am proud of you.
“Is there any sanity left in the Paul supporter camp?”
Is there any sense of irony (not to mention judgment) left in the Paul detractor camp? Everyone knows that in elections what matters is *turnout*, which is a function of voters’ passion for the candidates and issues. Half the battle is just showing up, and in 2006 many Republican voters stayed home. In these on-line pre-election polls, Paul supporters show up, and you criticize them?
But I would be as dishonest as you to not acknowledge your point: yes, it is a common phenomenon that when an internet poll appears, members of a relevant minority will spread the word in order to use the poll to promote their candidate. And not only by internet: there was a famous case when Turks flooded Time Magazine with letters in order to get Attaturk named Time’s Man of the Century.
Come primary time we’ll see whether the Ron Paul supporters are just a few scattered but vocal nuts or a significant and growing faction tired of holding its nose to avoid the Republican stench of hypocrisy.
Possibly I can understand how a small organization such as the Lone Star Times does not have the money to properly fund IT such that your site would be impervious to the hackings of the few Ron Paul supporters out there. However, CNBC is not the Lone Star Times. They are a huge well funded organization.
If the CNBC site and internet polls are being hacked by Ron Paul supporters or anybody else they should fire their CIO immediately. Multi-billion dollar companies should be able to withstand the ‘hackings’ of the few Ron Paul nutcase supporters out there. Without doubt there are numerous ways of preventing a single computer from casting multiple votes.
Also, why is there never any PROOF of hackings or some kind of manipulation of a poll. CNBC should provide a detailed account (with proof) of precisely how their site was hacked so that the other incompetent IT departments at the other media outlets can get their IT houses in order. Until they can do so, they shouldn’t bother with polls. They obviously can’t handle them.
If the sites aren’t being hacked but are just being ‘flooded’ with individual votes by individual paul supporters then that is a different matter.
Taking a poll down boils down to one of the following:
1. We are a billion dollar company with an incompetent IT staff and an easily hackable web site;
2. We are nothing close to true journalists and believe in censoring the truth if it doesn’t match with our expectations; or
3. We have sold out and do what we are told.
Regardless of the answer, if I owned CNBC or GE I’d sell tomorrow.
For Rick, Matt, and the others…
Please take a look at the world around you. You are Texans, some of the most self-serving locales (I mean that in the nicest way), that I have had the pleasure to meet. Which is saying something since I work in a hotel as a building engineer.
That being said, why would you not look into Ron Paul? The man is extremely pro second amendment, is for the sanction of more personal liberties, for taking responsibility (of both personal and governmental facets), of bringing this country back to it’s grandeur (of which has been on a decline since 1912), and has sponsored 58 bills and four amendments to that effect. He has only ever voted as his oath to the constitution permits. Something that Danial Boone, and the others DIED trying to preserve at the Alamo.
Are you so readily willing to give your country over to Mexico (eight of the seventeen candidates, all “top tier” are joined in heading into the North American Union)? Where is your sense of patriotism? Think of those brave few that died against the British many, so that we could have a country; those same that drafted the Constitution…
“…The important thing for you to remember, Montag, is we’re the Happiness Boys, the Dixie Duo, you and I and the others. We stand against the small tide of those who want to make everyone unhappy with conflicting theory and thought. We have our fingers in the dike. Hold steady. Don’t let the torrent of melancholy and drear philosophy drown our world. We depend on you. I don’t think you realize how important you are, we are, to our happy world as it stands now.”
~Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Since Daniel Boone died in 1830, and the Alamo did not fall until 1836, I doubt that Dan’l was there. Perhaps you have him confused with Fess Parker, who played Daniel Boone on TV, and also played Davy Crockett in the movie, The Alamo. But then again, I don’t think Fess Parker died at the Alamo either.
#13 Please excuse my typo - Daniel Boone died September 26, 1820.
What part of Ron Paul being the Ross Perot of the 21st century are you Paul Bots not understanding? (wouldn’t shock me in the least to learn he was or is on Hillary’s payroll *in the background*)
Good Morning all Ron Paul supporters who check the internet.
Maybe the lesson for all of us is to be skeptical of all polls, and even the “legit” ones that are showing Ron Paul in the single digits. Anyone who knows anything about statistics and survey-taking can tell you that there is no way to entirely eliminate skew from the results of a poll. The questions and answer options are always going to have bias in them, and the sample has to be sizable and representative of the general population. And then even at election time those that were sampled aren’t always going to be the same as those that go to the polls to actually vote.
“That’s right. The good doctor’s supporters decided to crash the party, as is their current modus operandi in this political season. CNBC boss Allen Wastler knew there was something wrong when he looked at the results”……………………………………..Well it was obvious from the start that cnbc boss, NEOCOCN Allen Wastler had set up the debate to support neocon Mitt and neocon Rudy.
Every time it is the same story from you DELETED!!! are you telling us that you are not smart enough to set up a legitimate poll?? every single time??
GET OVER IT NEOCONS, IT’S GONNA BE RON PAUL OR PRESIDENT HILLARY!!!!!! THE CHOICE IS YOURS !!!!
You are welcome to comment and join the debate but please refrain from using curse words or psuedo-curse words. LST Moderator
Will those Ron Paul People ever learn?
Why can’t they just shut up, pay their taxes, send their children to die in foreign wars, and leave politics to the experts???
Trust me. We have “looked into” ron paul. I swear, on Fess Parker’s grave, boy have we looked into ron paul.
I can’t believe the pollsters are still using the ole poll spamspin. What 2 things really amaze me, that even after Hannity on Fox was busted with his “the Paulites are at it again” poll spam quote, after (I recall) the 3rd GOP national debate…every one with a cell phone tried to vote again only to be informed…”Thank You, you have already voted”. Sorry, like the War, America can’t be fooled anymore. I tried a second vote too!
I am even more astonished that 70 million voters in America can use their cell phones in one night to text vote for an American Idol, so I guess that means one of 3 things. Only Paul Patriots picks the Idols, or there are a whole lot of uniformed folks going to show up at the election polls and cast their blind votes for more of the same “politics as usual” since no poll has ever got 70 million votes cast or all the past Idol winners titles and contracts need to be revoked because of the Paulites. Wwaaa Wwaaa!
There is a lot more work to be done liberty loving America…Keep on getting the message of Constitutional Government, Liberty & Freedom out to every one you meet…truly the 2nd American rEVOLution!
Good morning, fellow Revolutionaries - and CNBC and GE Public Relations Department:
What a monumental blunder it was for CNBC to take down its post debate poll after seeing thousands upon thousands of Ron Paul’s supporters bothering to participate in it - while supporters of other candidates showed a only a lukewarm response. Did you consider that they are now joining the Ron Paul Revolution? What CNBC did is a form of news censorship and shows spinelessness on the part of CNBC’s management.
IF you want a poll to provide results to reflect the ones you sadly and erroneously think are “legit” then structure your poll just like theirs - and make sure you only call people without voicemail and/or answering machines screening their calls - i.e. call lonely people with lots time on their hands.
CNBC now stands for “Censorship, Nothing But Censorship” and that’s how I am going to refer to it from here on.
Thank goodness the sane Paul supporters are showing up today.
You know, Paul has a good platform. What is the best way to get the platform used by the nominee?
Just one question, when we take the only poll that counts (primary election day) and your boy only manages to poll less than 2% are all y’all gonna be blathering endlessly on for the next four years about how Diebold and the NAU stole the election? I’d like to know ahead of time so I can go ahead and get my lobotomy scheduled before the rush.
One way to understand a leader is to understand those who support him, RP’s supporters, the poll voters, the website supporters, and commenters, one not need look further.
I can understand young people leaning libertarian. They are out on their own for the first time, and want no one telling them what to do, including government. But supporters who are middle age and have read of RP, read history, and have an understanding of the bigger picture, confuse me. I think it’s like falling in love with an idea……. closing one’s eyes to the faults of the idea, and hoping for the best.
My points:
1. Spamming polls is not the same as hacking websites.
2. Paulites crawl all over the internet anytime an RSS feed with Paul’s name shows up. So they hover over their keyboards waiting for Dr. Paul to pop up on their screen and then descend en masse to support their boy. Big deal. Paul-People comment here all the time and then disappear to the next Ron Paul sighting, never to be seen again.
3. Everyone else actually shows up at primary elections and conventions, so it won’t be the same then.
4. I’ll say it again: Online polls and YouTube views are NOT accurate indicators of widespread support of a candidate, just a dedicated/fanatical minority of folks who flock to the very mention of Paul like, well, leukocytes (you can thank Hamous for the appropriate term).
5. I don’t even know who I intend to vote for in the primary yet, but I know that it won’t be Paul. I don’t agree with all of his positions. Some of his goals (smaller federal government, etc.) are OK, but his methodology is lacking, as is his apparent belief that we need to blame ourselves for other’s actions.
Dear Allen Wastler,
http://www.cnbc.com/id/21257762
Your job is to report the news. What evidence do you have to support your claim?
“Our poll was either hacked or the target of a campaign.”
Just so you know, I am one of the MANY Ron Paul supporters that did not get to vote in your poll because you took it down. I think my “show of hand” was not registered because of the overwhelming resonse you received in favor of Ron Paul.
I think the gig is up for the MSM. You all had this problem LOOONGGGG before Ron Paul decided to run for president in 2008. Here is a little factoid for you regarding the poll numbers that MSM relies on to present “scientific” data of who will get the popular vote. My company recently updated our phone number contact list. We have some 60+ employees in a professional banking environment. The average age is about 29 years old. Want to know how many of those employees listed cell phone numbers only? Try 42. Thats a majority of employees who only wish to be contacted in an emergency on their cell phones only. It wasn’t long ago that most people were not willing to give out cell phone numbers because of the per minutes cost. Why do you suppose that has changed?
Do you think the national pollsters call a majority of cell phone users? We don’t talk politics much at my job, however, every single person I have talked to at my smoke break knows who Ron Paul is. I think you guys are lagging pretty badly when it comes to doing your research and understanding what is going on in the United States of America.
It’s pretty sad that you so eagerly discount Ron Pauls freedom message because you don’t understand how the internet works. I am sure if the poll was a “show of hands” of who do you think is better CNBC or FOX and CNBC got 75% of the vote, you’d splash that all over the front page.
Anyways, I care less about your reason for pulling the Ron Paul poll win. He has been getting this kind of support for a while now, and its predictable how you and people in your position will respond. Of course there is a campaign going on. Its been going on for a long time now, and I have no doubt it will continue long after the next president is decided in OVER A YEAR from now. Its too bad MSM is out of touch with America, because really what you are seeing is not spam or a “conspiracy” hatched by a “few”.
We the people are taking our country back. You and your organization have 3 possible choices to make.
1.) become a part of We the People and have an American voice. (doubtful, too much money to lose doing that)
2.) stay non-biased and report the FACTS as news so that ALL Americans can decide for themselves. ( doubtful, too much power to lose doing that)
3.) keep the status quo and give your opinion based on what YOU THINK is going on despite the facts. (probable, the America people are too ignorant to know how to do their own research and besides, as long as the corps keep footing the bill, we recycle those same tried and true scripts ad nauseum.)
Too bad for you that THANKS to the internet, people now have a legitimate tool to gain access to the real story. I think one of the bylines in history will be how miserable journalism performed in the information age. People new back in the 80’s that computers would cause huge efficiency gains. They new that the tech revolution would end jobs. Guess it was hindsight to realize that technology would rip the “heart” out of “journalism”.
You seem like a brave man Mr.
Allen Wastler
Managing Editor, CNBC.com
You followed in Sean Hannity’s foot steps and accused the biggest grass-roots movement in the history of the USA (dare I say World), of scamming, lying, cheating, hacking, etc etc.
I hope that for the sake of Mr.
Allen Wastler
Father? Husband?, American Family
that you do the right thing and evaluate your stance on the position that Ron Paul represents and not get caught up in your job. Ask yourself, if one of the MSM/Big Corp/CFR/Globalist front runners had “fake poll” numbers like Ron Paul posts up, would you be so willing to accuse THOSE supporters of being a scam?
The Constitution is the LAW and RON PAUL WILL EXECUTE THAT LAW.
John in FL.
# 12 Hedrin7
Daniel Boone?
I believe he died prior to the Alamo fight.
Perhaps you meant Jim Bowie, or his brother David.
Can we move the primaries to next week? I can’t stands it no more.
Since we are talking about the presidential election, you must mean this Daniel Boone.
I did it…Ya happy now… I voted 5000 times…LOL
BJ - I bet ol Dan Boone would vote for Ron Paul!
Does anyone believe that Paul has a chance or are you really working to try to change the eventual nominee?
#25 Very succinct, Nat. Excellent.
to rpmaniac and others like you,
life is not a phillip k dick novel. perhaps you have seen “a scanner darkly” too many times. then again, you probably don’t even know who or what i am talking about. i think it is very sad that out of your fear and desperation for understanding the world around you, you twist reality into something that is a complete impossibility. that soothes you? does it make you feel better to think that all news, world events, elected officials and media are ulimately controlled by some elite few?
Y’all Paulestinians get the wrong idea. Most of us don’t care if you spam online polls. They’re unscientific and meaningless. What is outrageous is your deceitful tactic of projecting those bogus results into real world support for your savior. You are either being extremely dishonest or you’re delusional. Either way, such behavior doesn’t bode well for any of us.
bigjolly,
there are thousands working to get Ron Paul elected.
However that are 3x that wasting most of their time online putting articles on digg to the same audience over and over. If people would actually get offline and talk to people person to person there woudl be no doubt Ron Paul could win.
hamous,
ignoring some of the spammers, I’d love to discuss with you why Ron Paul is so despicable in your eyes, but there is really no place to do it so go on thinking he’s the devil or whatever it is that makes you so vehemently opposed to him.
#38 Stephen, that’s the thing. I don’t think RP is despicable at all. I’ve stated in this forum that many of his ideas align with mine but there are a few (very important) issues that keep me from voting for him. Look back at my criticisms of the man. They are policy differences.
My beef is with his plethora of rabid supporters who go into attack mode at mere criticism of the man. They are doing him a disservice by such behavior. It’s not coincidence that so many view them as cultish.
It seems to me that the RPAcolytes would want a realistic picture of where their candidate stands in the polls. That must not be the case.
It is sorta like living in a dump and placing a painting of mountains over the windows to pretend they are living in Nirvana.
Oh I get it. If we say it… it is so.
No no I know what it is is. These people remind me of the goofs you see standing behind a news broadcaster jumping up and down making the look at me faces while cell phoning all their “friends” to watch that channel.
I never took the poll. I did however send in $100 bucks. Can someone explain how Ron Paul pulled down $5 million bucks?
Attack and ridicule is for you hamous.
Poor Daniel. That mean ol’ Hamous is always picking on him
Was that $100 tax deductible? Oh wait, you don’t pay taxes.
hamous,
It is not quite like a forum here, I have spoken to you only yesterday when I learned of the site.
So I am only going by what I see in this time, which has been like a yoyo one min he’s ok, and the next he is horrible.
if there a place here to have an orderly chat or just the blog comments?
Stephen, Here are my main problems with Ron Paul.
1. He is unrealistic in his expectations on the effectiveness of pulling out of Iraq.
2. His foreign policy is too close to isolationism to be workable in the modern global economic climate.
3. He does not take criticism well and does not present himself as a rational thinker in the debates.
4. He has no history of positive accomplishments during his time in Congress.
stephen, just the blog comments. I know it can be hard with all the extraneous noise that can reach deafening levels.
I’ll give you an example. I think RP’s foreign policy is isolationism. Now, hide and watch, all the screaming meemies will go into attack mode and post paragraph after paragraph of the same thing over and over about how ignorant I am and its non-interventionism, not isolationism. I’ve studied his policies in-depth. It doesn’t matter that to me it looks like isolationism and is one of the reasons I will not vote for him. I’m a hater because of it.
As far as yesterday goes, I never said RP was horrible. I simply asked him to disavow the support of neo-nazis, just like Reagan did. That got turned into some bizarre twisted tale of Hamous wants the government to tell us who can donate to candidates. That’s when you throw up your hands and resort to sarcasm and ridicule.
dumoose:
Stephen, Here are my main problems with Ron Paul.
1. He is unrealistic in his expectations on the effectiveness of pulling out of Iraq.
> my main question here is what is the effectiveness of staying? It is very hard to have rational discussion on this at the comments section however.
2. His foreign policy is too close to isolationism to be workable in the modern global economic climate.
> Actually it is just don’t get into other countries politics, and even more trade than now, it is not isolationism. Duncan Hunter is the isolationist of the bunch here.
3. He does not take criticism well and does not present himself as a rational thinker in the debates.
>sound bites are hard to gauge in this, he actually does take criticism, so far as the debates if you were up there with a small fraction of the time of the other candidates would you too not be a bit rushed trying to get your message out?
4. He has no history of positive accomplishments during his time in Congress.
> Actually he has a very sound record of supporting the constitution. If you think about it, do you prefer someone that votes away all your money to every cause under the sun, or one that is willing to keep the money in your pocket? This too is hard to discuss on a comment section of a blog, as it can be approached in numerous ways.
This would be a great point for Fred Thompson however
hamous,
We have troops in over 100 countries today, my simple question is: why?
It is to “protect our interest”? when did we become and empire? with a true free trade our interests would be maintained by our businesses, if someone breaks the rules, they pay the price by having the businesses stop buying, etc.
If you look at what isolationism is, it is both non interventionist military AND non free trade. What we have today with NAFTA, CAFTA etc is not free trade at all, but managed trade that is not even i our best interests, nor in the interests of the citizens of Mexico.
With a free trade that is real, we’d be aiding Mexico far more than today simply through our dollars flowing back there, mexico is highly corrupt but this could be combated as well by returning money from the cartels controlling the lucrative drug trade, to the people that are some of the best hard workers on earth. This is just a nearby example, but free trade to other parts of the world would be highly effective. So far as the military policy of non interventionism, before Bush the GOP was all for this. We hear over and over “9/11 changed everything” but yet, what exactly did it change? Go look back at Reagan’s writings on the mid east policy that was a failure, we are simply repeating this many times over now, do not expect success with the current policy, it will not happen.
“That’s when you throw up your hands and resort to sarcasm and ridicule.”
That’s always more fun anyway! You sock sniffing neocon troglodyte! Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
Stephen, for better or worse, we live in a global economy. We have a responsibility to protect our interests abroad. A disruption in the flow of oil from the middle east could cause serious damage to our economy. I think Bush’s attempt to stabilize the region is commendable, albeit naive, but I don’t look at it as imperialistic. It would be great to transform the region into a collection of sovereign democratic states. Stable democracies don’t war with each other. Can that happen? Maybe not. But Mr. Paul wants to abandon the one shining example of democracy in the region, a country by the way, that is the only place in the middle east where Arabs can vote. So what are we left to do? I see two choices right now. We can bring all troops home and let the region descend into anarchy. That would probably lead to an Arab & Persian assault on Israel and maybe a nuclear retaliation by Israel. That would mean WW IV. Or we can maintain a military presence in the area to keep the shipping lanes open until our idiot politicians can stop killing every chance we have to decrease our dependence on foreign oil.
Stephen, As far as #1 if you have to ask, there is no way I can explain it to you here.
#2 Economics is the primary mover of a countries politics. If you are going to be involved in the global economy, you must be involved in other countries politics. To think otherwise is dangerously naive.
#3 A leader should be able to maintain composure no matter the situation. At some point the President will be required to make quick decisions, with not much time, I don’t want some one in that position who gets flustered because a moderator called time on him.
#4 Please name one bill he has authored that has been passed that directly impacts any of the issues he is campaigning on.
#47 Ok, I’ll admit to obtaining some sick pleasure from the taunt.
Just When you thought it was safe to return to your favorite blog,…They’re Back!
BTW; Elizabeth, since you couldn’t reach the trigger with your toe, how did the toaster work out? ;=)
Help - somebody is hacking YouTube today as well! The most highly video is Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/browse?s=tr&t=t&c=0&l= And also the most discussed. It’s only been up 24 hours and has already had 170,000 views. And it’s made newspaper headlines in Australia. He’s talking about freedom — outrageous!
most “highly rated ” that should have said
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA
I always wanted to start a boytcott.
It is called the Shannon and Friends Boycott of All Ron Paul Threads On LST.
Free drinks next November after the election for all who participate.
:>)
Hamous
Who, then, is your candidate of choice?
UH-OH! COULD THERE BE A PROBLEM WITH RP’S FUNDRAISING?
I just checked the meter. At the current pace of donations, RP is going to fall well short of his goal for October. At his current rate of $2,557 per hour, he’s going to hit $1.9 million. His goal is $4 million.
Little Mikey, time to pony up again!
#49
Duhmoose,
It’s much more reliable and quick to have a standard to use when making decisions, like the constitution, then making it up as you go.
It ain’t hard to get youboob hits when your acolytes are making the rounds posting the link everywhere.
Most discussed? I checked. Looks like a bunch of RPAcolytes engaging in a mutual back slapping competiiton.
Here I got a theory for ya.
Ron Paul is running to get all the campaign donations that he can. He ain’t gonna get the nomination and there he sits with a tidy sum of money that he can syphon off. All he has to do is make it appear that he is using the money in accordance of campaign finance laws. Nice ponzy scheme .
We all know the media is too powerful. Why is it so hard to believe things don’t add up? Why the focus on money? Why is it that just because one candidate has more money than the other, they are more likely to win? What happened to values? I think our society ,as a whole, has issues. This is obvious by our impulse to use our effective mode of thinking rather than our cognitive mode. We, as Americans, are trained to think within a box all our lives, by our school system. Think of the rational our school system is based on. Step One, put information in at level one, move on to level two, stuff more info in, step three, stuff more info in. It’s like an assembly line used in manufacturing. Why? Because an industrialist had a major hand in the beginning of our public school system. What our country needs are critical thinkers, people thinking outside of the box. Any company owner, or manager, will tell you it is hard to find people that can solve unexpected issues with confidence.
My main point is that our society is full of “Products of our Society” and it so happens, that “products of our society” have a problem with voting for someone that is too different from what they’ve always voted for.
#55 LSGOI - I don’t have one yet. Frankly, I’m not excited about any of them. Rudy’s too far left. Thompson (so far) seems like an empty suit. Romney, I have an immediate distrust of any politician from Massachusetts that was once pro-abortion but now professes to be pro-life. Huckabee, nice guy, good ideas on the fair tax, but I keep having Carter circa 1976 flashbacks (/shivers); I don’t know why. Hunter, has trouble getting his message out and is a little too isolationist for me. Tancredo seems to be a one trick pony and doesn’t have the temperament for a brutal campaign, much less to run the country. I think I’ve spoken enough about the Honorable Congressman from the 14th Congressional District.
So who knows?
#58
Why would you think a successful doctor would need to get money in this way?
Hamous
So, for you, it is a decision of picking the better of two weevils. What would your ideal president be like? How can you say with certainty you won’t vote for RP?
LifeSucks, So how exactly to shrimp subsidies fit in with the Constitution and being against Pork?
#60 hamous
Thompson is an actor and he doesn’t know his role yet. He’ll get some good handlers and they will steer him in the right direction. Keep an eye on him and watch as he gets better and better at presenting himself as he goes along.
This is my one post for the week. See ya next week!
EVERYBODY!! I HAVE A QUESTION!!!
What is your view of the constitution? How important is it? What do you think the Constitution is? Do you know what it says?
PLEASE ANSWER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I AM CURIOUS WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS!
#63
For local and state levels to decide.
#60 hamous
I’m going to officially declare that I am no longer a Huckabee supporter. Dude is having a “green day” this Sunday.
This hurts. Phil_M was right about him all along. There, I said it.
/slips out the door, hanging head in shame.
wow, to be involved in the global economy, you must be involved in other countries politics?
You think you may want to revise that to simply that you need to be involved in the politics of countries that don’t bend to the will of corporate America? (not something I agree with and is obviously an incorrect statement) But I assume that’s what you meant because I would love to know how we are involved in the politics of the rest of the free world.
Sorry but diplomatic matters with trading partners worldwide is not the same thing as toppling entire governments for the sake of instituting another that is more friendly to the U.S.
You are accurate in stating that we are over there (and have been for 50 years) for economic reasons but that’s simply because big oil and banking have been pushing this country around to do it’s will for longer then that.
What big economic boost is going to come from a “democratic” middle east? We don’t really make or produce anything anymore that makes money (as we’ve sold off all the rights to lead the world in production to foreign investors). Most of Asia already provides everything that we provide, except medicine, at cheaper prices. So, unless the plan is to put in place a corrupt government that will force U.S. goods on to the Arabian Peninsula, what big economic boost is going to come from it other then possibly large corporations like walmarts, mcdonald’s and such opening up there. Oh and of course oil.
Sorry I would have no problem “assisting” an oppressed people who are willing to stand up to tyranny and fight for their freedom but this is just not the case in Iraq and certainly not the case in Iran. You wait for signs of revolution, you don’t go start it yourself in the name of others when really you only care about your own gains. The views that the Iraqi government would stand up and fight for it’s rights to be a free sovereign nation once we displaced the Baathist is pretty obtuse considering there has never been any signs that they would previous to our invasion.
As for the comments that Ron Paul says we should blame ourselves for what others do to us, that is obviously a complete hack of the truth. He has stated as much many times. Although he’s the only one that thinks this is a complex situation that can’t be handled with a sledgehammer (the U.S. Military). Think of school shootings by troubled kids that are bullied. No one in their right mind would blame the victims for what has happened but when trying to figure out what went wrong and how to prevent it, you have to look at the situation and say that possibly the antagonistic behavior helped push a bad situation into that next level and it would probably be wise to watch one’s own behavior in future situations if for nothing else then self preservation.
Sorry I don’t agree with everything Ron Paul does or says but I support him because I think he can bring the “most” positive change to this current government. People say what change has he ever made? Tell me what GOOD changes has any of the current list of candidates ever made? I think the main problem in government is it’s lost it’s way and it’s purpose and that starts at the top. Guiliani a good leader? Well sorry but you lead by example and IMO the attitude of the congress is reflective of it’s poor leadership (both party and Executive).
Another thing I have noticed
RPAcolytes not only spam polls they filibuster in the forums.
#62 LSGOI - For this election cycle it may end up that way. Had the Republicans not lost Congress in ‘06 I would be content to skip the presidential box in ‘08. Divided government can work pretty good. As it stands now I think having both Congress and the White House in Democratic hands would be a disaster from which we would not soon recover.
My ideal candidate would be someone like Gingrich without all the excess baggage. An extremely intelligent man with a track record of getting things done. Had the Republicans stuck with the 1994 Contract with America they would still be in power and the country would be in much better shape.
How can I say with certainty? Much the same way I can say I won’t be voting for Hillary Clinton. Like this. I will not be voting for RP. No need to rehash the reasons why.
bigjolly renounces his support for Huckleberry?
Huckleberry ‘08
He is Americas Last Greatest Hope
Huckabee joined Green Day???? Huh?
Ahh, its the evil corporations and banks! Which are of course controlled by….
#72
He does play the bass.
I am a RP supporter. This is the very first time I’ve actually posted on one of these blogs, although I do read many of them everyday.
I have google news alerts setup to give me a daily report on items relating to Ron Paul.
Probably lots of the driveby posters here do as well.
Its difficult trying to support RP in these hit pieces, because if you do try and support him, you’re just labeled a nutcase and ridiculed for it.
However, it seems to me that the detractors don’t make any real arguments against his positions.
They mainly attack his supporters as Paulites, Paulestinians and the like, but don’t have any meat to add about why we are so wrong in our belief that our country is broken and Ron Paul’s idea’s are what we need to fix it.
I do see some debatable comments, very few, but some at least.
The main one I see is the Global Economy issue, and how its tied to politics, and thats why we have to maintain a military presence everywhere.
My question is then, are we the only players in the global economy?
Why don’t other nations have troops everywhere protecting their interests?
Are France and Spain and Russia and China oil independent?
If not, why don’t they have a military presence in the oil rich nations? Could it be because they use economic trade to maintain their interests?
Have some real debate on real issues instead of empty mockery.
Its not our fault that RP supporters tend to be intelligent net savvy people, with passion for an ideal that we think will turn our nation around.
Should we not use the tools that we have and know how to use?
Are we supposed to just sit quietly until the primaries and just hope people are educated enough to make an informed vote?
Comments like the one above about RP ponzy scheme are ridiculous when you look at Paul’s history in congress, how he returns unused portions of his office budget, and how he has opted out of the congressional pension.
If you’re going to try and malign someone, at least do a little homework.
Ok, that’s my nutball Paulestinian rant. I suppose now I’ll be mindlessly mocked. Oh well, I do vote and so do I assume do most of the other RP supporters.
Guess we’ll find out on election day how many of us there actually are.
The Constituion is a living, expanding, growing document. It is flexible, bendable, pliable, malleable and should not be constrainted by the anitquated precepts of the so called originalist.
#74 Is he really holding a “green day”? I swear, if he goes out in a row boat and an aquatic rabbit attacks him….
Yes, he’s really having a green day.
/reaches for trigger
How about this.. All of you people that rely on the usapolls.com and the other polls that are stuck in the last century and use landlines to call… how about you all get off your lazy asses and attend a debate or any other function that would prove to you that Paul supporters are not just an internet thing.
I was at the Michigan debate. I’m a photographer. Check out this link to see the 200+ that came to support the Dr. at the debates, then the 1000+ that came to his rally at U of M campus at 8pm.
People all chipped in and had an airplane fly a banner saying “Google Ron Paul” over the place. And that wasn’t the first time. It happened at the Michigan vs. Notre Dame game not long ago as well.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v53/product7/Ron%20Paul/
oh.. and there was 5 people at the debates to support Romney (A Mich Native) and no one for the other candidates.
You all can make whatever claims you want, but there’s a revolution going on. If you were a true American, you would too.
Ron Paul supporters know the Constitution. They just don’t know history (re Daniel Boone died at the Alamo).
I did not realize that Ron Paul supporters were the only people in America who had read the Constitution. Glad to get that straight.
The Illuminati. Oh, and Halliburton.
Well now, there you go. Flying “Google Ron Paul” banners. My flying toaster screensaver has been hijacked with the same message. He’s got it sewn up boys. Toss in the towel.
Shannon, what thread are you holding your boycott on?
81 was a response to 73, btw
That’s exactly the sort of talk that turns me off of Ron Paul the most. If I don’t support Ron Paul, I’m not a true American?
#82 Well thought out reply. Lot’s of meat there.
Thanks for the link to the pictures. This is one reason why his supporters seem a bit odd:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/product7/Ron%20Paul/DSC_7726.jpg?t=1192206584
#84 Its sort of like, “I am the way, the truth, and the light”, huh?
Big Jolly abandons Huck?
Time to reset my Thompson bashing meter.
Hey, you are supposed to be boycotting this thread.
58 - Squak
Another angle might be to raise $$ running in the Republican primaries, where he’s more visible, then drop out and use the $$, and the exposure to run as the Libertarian candidate in the general.
I think JohnRH nailed it.
This is scary, exactly the thing that rush Limbaugh used to rail against on his daily radio AND TV show. i may be 24 but I very well remember when Rush was very anti UN and destroyed the liberals with their living constitution views:
# squawkbox Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 11:22 am
The Constituion is a living, expanding, growing document. It is flexible, bendable, pliable, malleable and should not be constrainted by the anitquated precepts of the so called originalist.
Sorry what is odd about some older women supporting Ron Paul?
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bigjolly Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 11:38 am
Thanks for the link to the pictures. This is one reason why his supporters seem a bit odd:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/product7/Ro
Stephen,
Sorry, it’s just not my ideal of a little old lady to be standing on a corner holding create peace and impeach Bush signs.
But that’s just me.
Stephen
#92
Hi Sailor. Don’t come here often do you?
bigjolly,
so you are saying someone is forcing them to be there or what?
Me love you long time
squawkbox,
Yesterday.
LifeSucks, Then why did Ron Paul put it in Federal Pork?
As for the not toppling regimes for financial gain, can someone show me where US corporations forced the Government, without support of Congress and the American people, to topple a foreign power? And most countries have military actions to help support their interest in the global economy. Just look at the UN.
Dang, now I don’t get a free drink.
Stephen, not at all. All I’m saying is that my image of granny is her baking me cookies. It’s a new world.
Hey, how’d the boycotter get #100?
# 56 Big Jolly,
At his current rate of $2,557 per hour, he’s going to hit $1.9 million. His goal is $4 million.
“Little Mikey, time to pony up again!”
Jeez, it’s only 10/12. The pace will pick up as we RP supporters get our allowance from our parents.
OFF TOPIC:
I’m going to Barbeque Inn tonight for fried shrimp and stop by and get a Flying Saucer pie afterwards.
It’s shaping up into a “fall asleep in the recliner” night.
#100 Shannon
If you are in South Florida I will buy you a meal with all the free drinks you want
#99 Because his constituents asked him to. If you notice, he also voted against it.
For crying out loud, it’s an internet poll!
You have to be outright STUPID to put one of those up and then think that one or more of the candidates aren’t going to try to flood it with their supporters. That’s why you put a caveat up there that it isn’t scientific.
But don’t put up an internet poll and then pretend to be shocked when the results skew to the campaign that’s best at getting emails out to its supporters.
CNBC has only itself to blame for this one.
if the rabid ron paul followers manipulate results online
one cant help but think
in their state of desperation
will they commit election fraud
in a real election
Little Mike, you talking about the one on Crosstimbers?
#108 BJ
The one and only! (both BBQ Inn and FSP)
#100 Shannon, pretty bad when you have to kick yourself out of your own club.
little mike, that’s in my general neighborhood but I haven’t been there in years. Last time I went it took forever to get served. Have they improved? I like Pizzitola’s on Shepard.
Hamous, I haven’t noticed particularly poor service at BBQ Inn - I go about once a month. Of course, I ease back into a 1964 frame of mind and I’m not looking to get my shrimp in 5-10 minutes. My goal is to eat all the melba toast before the food arrives.
Of course, some of the waitresses are 120 years old so I don’t expect them to step lively.
I’ve been eating there on a pretty regular basis since I was about 3 years old. Of course, I couldn’t order a Michelob back then…
#107, I was going to make a long thoughtful reply to that, buts its apparently more smiled upon here to just take a poke at you.
Remove the tinfoil hat and step away from the keyboard.
Most of the “long thoughtful replies” on this thread read like Thomas Aquinas’ Summa, but without the philosophical meat and potatoes.
I like meat and potatoes. And Thomas Aquinas.