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21 Responses to “Pro-abortion Chron cites bogus numbers from pro-abortion group”
  1. Adee on October 17th, 2007 at 8:35 am

    Too many use abortion as after-the-fact birth control rather than taking responsibility for before-the-fact birth control, or for that matter, self control.

  2. gadboy on October 17th, 2007 at 8:56 am

    Isn’t it standard practice on both sides to use someone favorable to your side of an argument when you are quoting studies? Don’t you think a conservative trying to prove a point would quote the Heritage Foundation before Moveon.org?

  3. Matt Bramanti on October 17th, 2007 at 9:06 am

    Don’t you think a conservative trying to prove a point would quote the Heritage Foundation before Moveon.org?

    Sure. But I wouldn’t claim — as the Chronicle editorial board does — that we’re “neither liberal nor conservative.”

  4. Owen Courrèges on October 17th, 2007 at 9:30 am

    gadboy,

    Matt’s right — the Chron continually feins objectivity, and claims to be moderate in its editorial stances.

    I’d also note that the Guttmacher study has a much higher hurdle to clear than most studies insofar as it flies in the face of logic for the reasons I described above. They would have you believe that making an act illegal has little to no influence on the incidence of said act. Even if you’re pro-abortion like the Chronicle, you should be skeptical of this claim.

  5. hamous on October 17th, 2007 at 9:35 am

    Abortion has been a fractious and polarizing issue in this country for decades, with little common ground between opposing, fiercely held positions.

    I’ll agree with that. It’s hard to find common ground between one group that thinks its perfectly “humane” to rip apart living human beings limb from limb and another group that finds the practice abhorrent.

  6. jimb on October 17th, 2007 at 10:41 am

    If a person chooses to have a back-alley, illegal, “unsafe” abortion, then they risk the consequences (infection, hemorrhage, etc). Why should we legalize such an inhumane practice because someone may choose to take that sort of risk?

  7. Owen Courrèges on October 17th, 2007 at 11:00 am

    jimb,

    The idea is that if we want to save lives, we need to keep abortion legal to stop back-alley abortions from occurring because the same number of abortions will occur either way.

    However, this requires you to believe that making abortion safe and easily available doesn’t itself encourage abortion when compared with a system of dangerous, back-alley abortions (or virtually none at all, depending on enforcement). That’s my problem — they say that women are JUST as willing to have dangerous back-alley abortions as they are legal abortions. That doesn’t sound likely to me.

  8. hamous on October 17th, 2007 at 11:11 am

    NRLC has a good article on the FUD surrounding “back alley abortions” using Planned Parenthood and CDC’s own stats:

    http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/responseargument4.html

  9. Adee on October 17th, 2007 at 11:33 am

    It is not beyond the realm of possibility that some day the pro-choice folks will rue the day they were no longer satisfied with the legal exceptions–rape, incest, life of the mother–to the prohibition of abortion. Thus began the drum beat for abortion on demand. ‘Tis said be careful what you wish for; the backlash–however long delayed–can be worse than ever imagined.

  10. Meglet on October 17th, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    The whole thing makes me so sick I want to vomit. It is beyond me to understand how you can see that small life growing inside you as a thing that you can just remove like a tumor. God help us!

    I will be the first to admit I am not impartial!! I will NEVER lie to you and try to say I am impartial. I don’t think it’s right of Planned Parenthood to try to say they are impartial when they do studies and things like this. HELLO! If you provide a service is it a good idea to admit things that would slow down your sales??

    Here’s a question (I’m too lazy to research so if anyone knows can they please answer!): How much does it cost to get an abortion? Who pays for them? If it’s truly a surgery type thing it seems like it would be rather expensive. Does insurance cover them? How do these people who are so desperate they would perform back alley abortions (evidently lower class people who can’t afford babies or whatever the reason is supposed to be) pay for them? Is it one of those things that you can qualify for if you make less than a certain amount of money, like welfare or food stamps? Pardon an ignorant almost 22 year old asking some questions that are probably answers everyone knows. :-)

  11. Adee on October 17th, 2007 at 12:47 pm

    Meglet, dear young lady, I’m 66 and don’t know the answers to your questions either. I’m just sure that in the case of the “poor”, Medicaid pays the tab. Meaning we all pay the tab.

  12. tedtam on October 17th, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    My mother-in-law gave birth to a son, and it took several years before it was confirmed that he was severely mentally retarded (symptoms didn’t show right away). By that time, she was pregnant with son number 2, who only acts retarded sometimes. Before the time it was determined that #2 was developmentally normal, she was pregnant with #3 - my husband, who has been her right hand. DH helps her with everything, and has been the only son to give her grandchildren. #2 is virtually worthless as far as support; actually, he has been a disappointment in more than one way. She loves him, but doesn’t count on him for anything important.

    She confided in me some time ago that if abortion had been legal, she would have aborted my husband.

    Just think of where she’d be if abortion had been legal…

  13. wfish on October 17th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    Just another reason the Chron continues to loose circ. They are a one pony horse show picking and choosing which veiws and stories they print and support regardless of the facts. Didn’t used to be that way, but since Hearst sent a bunch of henchmen from the far north and the far west in here to run the paper….and since they no longer have competition from another major newspaper in town…they thumb their noses at anything that does not fit their liberal agenda. If they were a stock-owned company, their stock would like the New York Times stock. That thought probably thrills them….just to be compared to the NYT.

  14. Elizabeth on October 17th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    #10 In 1983,while unmarried and not wanting to become married, I checked out the cost of an abortion. Back then the procedure in a reputal clinic cost approx. $200. Thank God I didn’t go through with it, it would have been the biggest mistake of my life and I would have regetted it daily - FOREVER. The child I chose to have has been the greatest joy in my life and a magnificient contribution to this world. Raising a child alone is not easy, but it can be done and in my mind, there are other alternatives which do not include abortion.

  15. tedtam on October 17th, 2007 at 5:32 pm

    Elizabeth:

    Bless you!

    Yours truly,
    God

  16. Fasternu 426 on October 17th, 2007 at 6:45 pm

    Kill terrorists.
    Kill murderers on death row.

    Not babies.

  17. jimb on October 17th, 2007 at 9:28 pm

    One of the songs I’ve been listening to contains these lyrics:

    United States of America
    Looks like another silent night
    As we’re sung to sleep by philosophies
    That save the trees and kill the children

  18. jimb on October 17th, 2007 at 9:30 pm

    #7 - I know the “reasoning” of these people, I just think it is insane to justify the killing of millions of children because a few women may die due to risky, illegal, medical procedures when they have another choice or fifteen

  19. Adee on October 17th, 2007 at 11:39 pm

    Bless you Elizabeth (#14) for making the hard but right choice and traveling the difficult and at times lonely road. Great are the rewards of your efforts.

  20. Gritsforbreakfast on October 18th, 2007 at 7:50 am

    “They would have you believe that making an act illegal has little to no influence on the incidence of said act. Even if you’re pro-abortion like the Chronicle, you should be skeptical of this claim.”

    After all, look at how successful making marijuana illegal has been at eliminating pot smoking! And how passing laws has totally ended red light running!

    Yup, don’t like something, pass a law against it. That’ll fix EVERYTHING, huh?

  21. Rogerscorpion on November 8th, 2007 at 2:22 am

    That’s ‘convicted’ murderers, fasternu. Remember Clarence Lee Brandley.

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