I didn’t watch the debate, but Zogby’s poll shows Huckabees percentage on the poll question ” Who could you not vote for” to be only 35% Hillary’s was 50%

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/hillary_Zogby/2007/10/20/42596.html?s=al&promo_code=3BBB-1

Die-hard conservatives and single-issue voters are going to give this election to the Dems…

Well that was a pretty silly analysis on Ron Paul. He didn’t get booed from the “Republican base”. Why don’t you bother telling the readers what he got booed for saying and who did the booing.

Ron Paul: “I think the American people, if we as a party realize this and understand that 70 percent of the people in America want the war over with. Their sick and tired of it and they want our troops to come home.”

Audience: “BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. MAKE THEM STAY!!! WE LOVE WAR!!! WE DON’T WANT THEM HOME!!!”

Ron Paul: “We don’t need to go looking for trouble, we don’t need another Cold War, and all we have to do is start talking to people and trading with people. We don’t need to assume the world is going to blow up.”

Audience: “BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. THE WORLD IS GOING TO BLOW UP!!! PLEASE SAVE US BIG GOVERNMENT!!!”

This was hardly the “Republican base”. So who was in the audience? As a Florida Republican I tried to get tickets, but I couldn’t. Why? They were almost all given to the campaigns who paid $100,000 = Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, and McCain. That was THIER SUPPORTERS booing the American people for wanting their troops home. That was THIER SUPPORTERS wanting to start another Cold War.

So did the television audience agree? Well sort of. Rudy McRompson did beat Ron Paul in the FoxNews poll.

Rudy McRompson: 35% (Giuliani 11%, McCain 5%, Romney 10%, Thompson 9%)

Ron Paul: 34% (just Ron Paul)

The REAL Republican base has spoken, and they want Ron Paul!

Ron Paul kooks…
Whatareyagonnado?

From what little I saw, Ron Paul was able to control himself a little better this time. I just can’t trust Rudy or Romney to represent me as a fiscal and social conservative. What I am worried about is voting for a more conservative, but lower tier candidate in the Primaries, and then having to choose between Rudy and Hillary in the general.

You’re right, duhmoose, he didn’t shriek and shrill as usual. But he didn’t get a lot of airtime.

Yogi,

Surely you jest. Not the base? Well, then, who is the base? The anti-war protesters that are supporting Paul? Hardly.

The Orlando audience was clearly not representative of the American people. This is the only conclusion one can make when one realizes that RON PAUL WON THE PHONE POLL BY ALMOST 10 PERCENT. The questions that should follow this conclusion are “Why?” was the audience unrepresentative and “How?” did it happen. The poll shows that real, everyday Americans want Ron Paul.

I am not a “Ron Paul kook.” I am a career Naval officer who has been politically neutral for my entire life–but this is about voting for America and our Constitution, which I took an oath to preserve! I am now supporting Dr. Ron Paul with my wallet–and my heart.

duhmoose,

Ron Paul is the only republican who can beat Hillary. If he doesn’t get the nomination, you can forget all about the general election.

Rudy McRompson supporters have trouble even putting a sentance together. Just look at Mike Smith’s comment as an example.

Yogi, nothing you can say will convince me that Ron Paul would be better for American than Hillary. He defames the Founders with the way he mis-represents their ideals, and the way he uses the Constittution to badger others, while clearly not understanding the document itself is getting really tiresome.

“Surely you jest. Not the base? Well, then, who is the base? The anti-war protesters that are supporting Paul? Hardly.”

bigjolly,

I don’t jest, and don’t call me Shirley. (Always wanted to use that)

The Republican base is NOT neoconservative. Bush did NOT get elected as a war-monger. Bush got elected by running on a non-interventionalist, no nation building, ANTI-WAR platform. BUSH changed, NOT the Republican base.

Who do you think the Republican base is? The neo-conservatives that hijacked the party with a liberal foriegn policy? Hardly.

“Yogi, nothing you can say will convince me that Ron Paul would be better for American than Hillary.”

duhmoose,

Thanks! You said it all. Neocons WANT Hillary. They identify more with Hillary than someone with a life-long conservative voting record.

There you go folks, for all to see.

Mike Huckabee is positioning himself very nice to be the VP nominee. It would be nice little bone to throw the social conservatives.

If Ron Paul runs as an Independant, don’t be surprised if 30-40% of his support comes from those who identify themselves as Democrats. It won’t help Dems as much as the media will say it does.

Bush got elected by running on a non-interventionalist, no nation building, ANTI-WAR platform.

Good grief, where did you pull that one from?

Yogi, you speak of what you do not know. I am hardly a neo-con or a Hillary supporter. I can agree with many of Ron Paul’s views, however, his foreign policy is INSANE. His ideas on defense are INSANE. And as far as Bush running as Anti-war, maybe you didn’t see it, but in 2001, a wake up call was issued to the US. Things had to change.

You pompous Paulestinians (note - that’s not all of the Paul supporters) need to get past this rabid overreaction when someone dares take the name of your savior in vain. And you sane ones should maybe consider calling out the lunatic fringe. They are the ones making all of you look cultish.

Oh come on bigjolly, you can’t really be that ignorant. Well then again, you did write the original piece.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_presidential_campaign,_2000

“Foreign Affairs: Bush promised a humble foreign policy with no nation building.”

You should really learn how to use The Google.

Debates are only good for “sound bites” and “flubs”. A good debate for any candidate would be if he/she said something snappy that can be repeated over and over in the campaign. A “flub” is a negative sound bite that can be repeated over and over in the campaign.

“And as far as Bush running as Anti-war, maybe you didn’t see it, but in 2001, a wake up call was issued to the US. Things had to change.”

duhmoose,

A wake up call was issued to conservatives that their policy of non-interventionalism needed to be changed because of blowback from previous interventionalism.

O….K….

Save up some money and buy a clue.

Must be a real FRESH batch of kool aid available?

hamous,

The adults are busy talking. Please go back to the kid’s table.

Plenty of kool aid at the kid’s table.

You should really learn how to use The Google.

What a moronic statement. You should study history:

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=70000&rendTypeId=4

The adults are busy talking. Please go back to the kid’s table.

Yeah, this guy was an “adult” too. I suspect you’ve got a lot in common.

“What a moronic statement.”

hamous,

I agree 100%! Look at the moron who said it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aQd0ELH7SNI

Chuck Norris’ endorsement:

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58255

Hey, Yogi, why not click on the “nation building” link in that wiki article you linked to. Perhaps then you will understand why your statement is nonsensical.

Yogi, please, take a deep breath, put down the talking points, and come back when you can talk about substantive issues with clear logic.

LMAO

Huckabee is a shoe-in with Walker, Texas Ranger’s endorsement.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0d/WalkerCast9399.jpg/250px-WalkerCast9399.jpg

And the noecons say Paul supporters are kooky.

bigjolly,

Clicked.

“Nation-building refers to the process of constructing or structuring a nation using the power of the state. This process aims at the unification of the people or peoples within the state so that it remains politically stable and viable in the long run. Nation-building can involve the use of propaganda or major infrastructure development to foster social harmony and economic growth.”

And what are we doing in Iraq?

Uh, NATION BUILDING.

Now tell us how “we have to” and “Iraq caused 9/11″ and all those other neocon talking points.

With EPJ’s foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Huckabee stance and now Yogi’s lame attempt to disparage him, I think I just might have found my candidate!

Dude, what controlled substance do you have in that pic-a-nic basket? I did enjoy the video in #25 though. I love stop motion animation. It never goes out of style.

A wake up call was issued to conservatives that their policy of non-interventionalism needed to be changed because of blowback from previous interventionalism.

O….K….

Yah,

That durn Thomas Jeffereson with his interventionist policy reacting to muslim fanatics who were innocently pirating American merchant vessels, selling the Christian crewmmembers into slavery and killing the Jewish ones is what got all that blowback started.

When are you guys going to realize we’ve got a real enemy who’s beleif is that all Jews should die, and all Christians should either die or be slaves?

THAT is why your foreign policy is insane. You confuse justified reaction with interventionism.

No wonder the campaign is so poular with White Supremacists and Nazis.

hamous,

LOL @ myself

wrong link

here you go

http://youtube.com/watch?v=THQ6tJK01Io&mode=related&search=

OH;

BTW, Bush won an election in 2004 that did not include a non-interventionist non-nation building policy.

Heh-heh-heh-heh. He said “blowback”. Heh-heh-heh-heh.

A guy over at MilBlogs comments on Ron Paul’s non-interventionist policy:

By 332 BC, the rivalry between Persia and Greece has been ongoing for hundreds of years. Alexander’s father, Philip the Second, has united the many Greek states into one unified force, and now his son takes charge of the Kingdom and is marching against the Persian leader Darius III. After defeating Darius’ army in key battles at the Granicus River and at Issus, Alexander faces no resistance as he moves down the Mediterranean coast. But he faces fierce resistance when he reaches the island city of Tyre – a seemingly impenetrable wall surrounds the entire island. Alexander must build a half-mile long bridge to reach the island fortress. After seven months of perilous construction, siege towers are built, and, using catapults on these, as well as ship-mounted ballistas, Alexander brings down the wall and conquers Tyre.

The idea that one could build an impenetrable wall on an island and live in safetly was proven false in 332 BC.
The last 2,000+ plus years hasn’t improved wall technology much.

IMHO, I really liked Huckabee - he was the most articulate and he said what America needed to hear. On the other hand, McCain had some really great lines and Ron Paul seemed to have a handle on health issues, but then he is an M.D. so that is his mantra.

I also liked Giuliani as well, but he was too into himself as was Romney. The audience needed to hear what they solutions they could bring to the table, not what they did in the past albeit success. Ruling a country is not the same as governing a city or state even though it does help.

“When are you guys going to realize we’ve got a real enemy who’s beleif is that all Jews should die, and all Christians should either die or be slaves?”

sargevining,

More Jews live in Iran than any other country in the area, besides Isreal.

It’s called PROPAGANDA and you have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.

sargevining,

More Jews live in Iran than any other country in the area, besides Isreal.

It’s called PROPAGANDA and you have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.

And the tax that they pay for being dhimmis is how much?

vlou,

Thanks for the coherent comment! Funny how when I try to do an even handed post, at least one of the Paulbearers has to come out. Unlike Little Mike, they are unreasonable.

The issue voters and far right may give this election to the Libs.

I watched the debates and I too wondered where Hunter was. This was so obviously a push by the media and Bush Republicans to further their goals of a NAU. Remember if it’s a campaign promise or stand it doesn’t count once you are elected.

And please tell me the difference between Mrs. Bill Clinton and Giuliani.

I think our humble proprietor here could probably speak more authoritatively about the Iranian Jewish diaspora, but I would suspect that life for Jews in Iran is not very peachy.

#38 - Have you LIVED / RESIDED / held an ADDRESS in ANY Arabic country?

no you say?

TRY that for several YEARS - and then cmon back with your enlightenment……….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

At the time of the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, there were approximately 140,000–150,000 Jews living in Iran, the historical center of Persian Jewry. Over 85% have since migrated to either Israel or the United States. At the time of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, 80,000 still remained in Iran. From then on, Jewish emigration from Iran dramatically increased, as about 20,000 Jews left within several months after the Islamic Revolution.[23] In mid- and late 1980s, the Jewish population of Iran was estimated at 20,000–30,000. The reports put the figure at around 35,000 in mid-1990s[27] and at less than 40,000 nowadays, with around 25,000 residing in Tehran. However, Iran’s Jewish community still remains the largest among the Muslim countries.[28]

snip

Like other religious minorities in Iran Jews suffer from discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. According to the U.S. Department of State, Jews may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.[36]

The anti‑Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers celebrated the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[36] Jews are often the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press.[citation needed] Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.[36]

snip

Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.[36]

Real frikkin Jewish paradise there in Iran.

Actually bigjolly, it is the non-Paul people that are proving to be “unreasonable”. They are more than happy to elect Hillary and forget about all conservative values just so they can continue a liberal foriegn policy agenda. You already know you can’t win with Rudy McRompson, but yet at least Hillary will keep building the 14 permanent millitary bases and Vatican size embassy so we can continue the occupation of Iraq and further stoke the flames of terrorism.

That defines “unreasonable”.

Poor misunderstood Islamid Fascists.

We read ehat they write and say and we beleive it.

How unadult of us.

Life for Jews in Iran is far more “peachy” than life for arabs in Isreal.

Make sure you list all that info as well.

If the Republicans put Ron Paul up as a Candidate, Hillary will run campaign commercial showing all the endorsements and website fund rasing banners he’s getting from Nazis and White Supremacists.

You know, the ones the Paul Campaign has done nothing about and thinks is no big deal–like an adult would.

It will all she’d have to do to get people running away screaming from that frikkin nut bar.

#47 - “life for arabs in Isreal”

WHICH Arabs?
The bombs-strapped-to-their-bodies-hoping-to-kill-ANYONE around them?

or the ‘nice’ ones??

Please list the Israelis that have been bombing innocent people in Iran please (in the interest of being COMPLETE that you intimated above)

Hmmm, until Saddam was overthrown, where was the only place in the middle east that Arabs could live and vote in a democratic state?

sargevining,

You’re getting a little desperate. A neocon republican playing the race card, GOTTA LOVE IT!

Anyone ELSE hear Charles Durning and the band firing up ‘Dance a lil sidestep’???

color me NOT surprised at the lack of answers to simple questions,,,,,,,,,

Katfish,

“WHICH Arabs? The bombs-strapped-to-their-bodies-hoping-to-kill-ANYONE around them?”

Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder why they put “bombs-strapped-to-their-bodies-hoping-to-kill-ANYONE around them?”

Thank you for proving my point.

#54 I know this is an exercise in futility but exactly what point did he prove?

Yogi Says:
October 22nd, 2007 at 8:52 am
Life for Jews in Iran is far more “peachy” than life for arabs in Isreal.

Make sure you list all that info as well.

I;m beginning to see where you’re coming from Yogi.

And it explains those fund raising banners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

“Arabs of Israel”, “Arab population of Israel”, or “Arab inhabitants” are terms used by Israeli authorities and Israeli Hebrew-speaking media to refer to non-Jewish Arabs that are citizens and/or residents of the State of Israel.[10][11][12]

The Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics, for example, therefore includes Arab permanent residents of Israel who do not hold Israeli citizenship in its census figures. As a result, the number of Arabs in Israel is calculated as 1,413,500 people or 19.8% of the Israeli population (2006).[13] These figures include about 250,000 Arabs in East Jerusalem, and about 19,000 Druze in the Golan Heights.

snip

Israel’s Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race or sex. This, however, has no legal status in regard to the rights of minorities. [77] Palestinian Arabs sat in the state’s first parliamentary assembly; currently, 12 of the 120 members of the Israeli Parliament are Arab citizens, most representing Arab political parties and one of Israel’s Supreme Court judges is a Palestinian Arab.[78]

Israel does not a have written constitution but the rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of Basic Laws.[79] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term “right to equality”, the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted “Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty”[80] and “Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)”[81]as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[82]

snip

Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, actively discriminates against them. [83] The Minorities at Risk (MAR) group notes that Arabs citizens in Israel “suffer political discrimination based on decades of social exclusion.” They characterize Israel’s system of governance to be an “ethnic democracy” and further note that “the nationalism inherent in Israel’s foundation as a ‘Jewish state’ is at odds with its political basis of democratic governance vis-à-vis the Arab minority.” On the other hand, the group also states that despite such factors, “Israeli Arabs are relatively much better off economically than neighboring Arabs.”[84] In addition, according to a recent poll of Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute, found that 75% of Arab-Israelis would support a Jewish state of Israel so long as its constitution guaranteed rights for minorities.

snip

Knesset: Arab Israelis have been elected to every Knesset, and currently hold 12 of its 120 seats. Two Arabs have served as full government ministers: Salah Tarif, a Druze, served as a Minister Without Portfolio for ten months in 2001;[111] and Raleb Majadele was appointed as minister without portfolio on 28 January 2007.[112][113] The appointment of Majadele was criticized by Yisrael Beiteinu MK Esterina Tartman who said that the appointment was “a lethal blow to Zionism,” and that it damages “Israel’s character as a Jewish state.” Tartman’s comments drew condemnation across the mainstream Israeli political spectrum.[114] Yisrael Beiteinu party leader Avigdor Liberman explained that they had no problem with the appointment of an Arab but “The problem here is the timing and the fact that a minister in the State of Israel (Amir Peretz who chose the appointment) is using the tools he has wrongfully in order to promote himself politically”.[115] Meanwhile Arab lawmakers called the appointment an attempt to “whitewash Israel’s discriminatory policies against its Arab minority”.[116]

Nawaf Massalha, an Arab Muslim, has served in various junior ministerial roles, including Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs since 1999.[117] The first female Arab MP was Hussniya Jabara, a Muslim Arab from central Israel, who was elected in 1999.[118]

Supreme Court: Abdel Rahman Zuabi, a secular Muslim from northern Israel, was the first Arab on the Israeli Supreme Court, serving a 9-month term in 1999. In 2004, Salim Jubran, a Christian Arab from Haifa descended from Lebanese Maronites, became the first Arab to hold a permanent appointment on the Court. Jubran’s expertise lies in the field of criminal law.[119]

Foreign Service: Ali Yahya, an Arab Muslim, became the first Israeli Arab ambassador in 1995 when he was appointed ambassador to Finland. He served until 1999, and in 2006 was appointed ambassador to Greece. Other Arab ambassadors include Walid Mansour, a Druze, appointed ambassador to Vietnam in 1999, and Reda Mansour, also a Druze, a former ambassador to Ecuador. Mohammed Masarwa, an Arab Muslim, was Consul-General in Atlanta. In 2006, Ismail Khaldi was appointed Israeli consul in San Francisco, becoming the first Bedouin consul of the State of Israel.[120]

Israel Defence Force: Arab Generals in the IDF include Major General Hussain Fares, commander of Israel’s border police, and Major General Yosef Mishlav, head of the Israeli Home Front Command and current Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories.[121] Both are members of the Druze community.

Yah, Life is sooooooo much better for the 40,000 Jews in Iran than it is for the 1 and a half million Arabs in Isreal.

“Hmmm, until Saddam was overthrown, where was the only place in the middle east that Arabs could live and vote in a democratic state?”

hamous,

Congradulations on pointing out that invading Iraq is (D) Woodrow Wilson’s foriegn policy of making the world “safe for democracy”.

BTW, the answer is IRAN, DELETED.

No need to throw in a curse word. You’re doing fine and holding your own without that. LST Moderator

#54 - no please thank YOU for AB SO LUTE LY makin my point from #43…………

I’d venture you possess a higher level of knowledge regarding astrophysics or the rules of ‘curling’ than what’s been displayed so far this morning……

Vatican sized embassy

Why are Paulbearers frequently referencing the Vatican lately?

Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder why they put “bombs-strapped-to-their-bodies-hoping-to-kill-ANYONE around them?”

that’s easy.

It’s because they are heartless evil Baby Killers who misguided and uniformed folk enable by making excuses for them.

I’m REALLY understanding those fund rasing banner NOW.

Why are Paulbearers frequently referencing the Vatican lately?

Elders of Zion, Opus Dei–

Don’t you GET IT???????

“Ladies and Gentlemen” (pardon the exclusionary distinction folks)

I smell the vapor trail of a TROLL - and hence I will not waste further common sense……

Sorry for the long post but I think it may be time to drop Nekama’s Hammer on Da Bear:

1. Are you aware that the Disputed Territories never belonged to the “Palestinians” and only came into Israeli possession as a result of the 1967 six day war in which Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all massed forces at Israel’s border in order to “push the Jews into the sea”. The Arabs lost and Israel took control of the land. Do you agree that if the Koranimals don’t want to lose territory to Israel, then they shouldn’t start wars? Do you agree that there is justice that Israel, who as far back as 1948 has always sought peace with her far larger neighbors, should live in prosperity - making the desert bloom - while the residents of 19 adjacent Arab countries who are blessed with far more land as well as oil wealth live in their own feces?

2. Did you know that the “Palestinians” could have had their own country as far back as 1948 had they accepted the UN sponsored partition plan which gave Israel AND the Palestinians a countries of their own on land which Jews had lived on for thousands of years before Mohammed ever had a wet dream about virgins? The Arabs rejected the UN offer and went to war with the infant Israeli nation. The Arabs lost and have been whining about it ever since. Do you agree this is like a murderer who kills his parents and asks for special treatment since he is now an orphan?

3. Can you tell us ANY Arab country which offers Jews the right to be citizens, vote, own property, businesses, be a part of the government or have ANY of the rights which Israeli Arabs enjoy? Any Arab country which gives those rights to Christians? How about to other Arabs? Wouldn’t you just LOVE to be a citizen of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, or Syria?

4. Since as many Jews (approximately 850,000) were kicked out of Arab countries as were Arabs who left present day Israel (despite being literally begged to stay), why should Arabs be permitted to return to Israel if Jews aren’t allowed to set foot in Arab countries? Can you explain why Arabs can worship freely in Israel but Jews would certainly be hung from street lamps after having their intestines devoured by an Arab mob if they so much as entered an Arab country?

5. Israel resettled and absorbed all of the Jews from Arab countries who wished to become Israelis. Why haven’t any Arab countries offered to resettle Arabs who were displaced from Israel, leaving them to rot for 60 years in squalid refugee camps? And why are those refugee camps still there? Could it be that the billions of dollars that the UNWRA has sent there goes to terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, El Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, or Hezbollah? How did Yassir Arafat achieve his $300 million in wealth? Why aren’t these funds distributed for humanitarian use?

6. Did you know that the Arabs in the disputed territories (conquered by Israel in the 1967 war which was started by Arabs) and who are not Israelis already have two countries right now? And that they are called Egypt and Jordan?

7. If your complaint is about the security fence which Israel is finally building in the Disputed Territories, are you aware that it is built solely to keep the “brave” Arab terrorists out so that they can no longer self detonate on busses, in dining halls or pizzerias and kill Jewish grandmothers and schoolchildren? Why are the Arabs so brave when they target unarmed civilians but even when they outnumber their opponents they get their sandy asses kicked all the way to Mecca when they are faced with Jewish soldiers? Why do Arab soldiers make the French look like super heroes?

8. Please explain why you are so concerned about Arabs, who possess 99% of the land in this region and are in control of the world’s greatest natural resource, which literally flows out of the ground? Can’t their brother muslims offer some of the surplus land and nature’s riches to the “Palestinians”? Or is it true that Arabs are willing to die right down to the last “Palestinian”?

9. Why do you not exhibit the same level of concern for say, people in Saudi Arabia who are beheaded, subject to amputation, stoning, honor killing etc.? What about women who are denied any semblance of basic civil rights, including the right not to be treated as property for the entertainment and abuse of her father, brothers, or husbands? What about the Muslims in Sudan and Egypt who are still enslaved, or the women there whose genitalia are barbarically cut off? How about the oppression of Shiites by Sunnis, the gassing of the Kurds by Iraq, or the massacre of “Palestinians” by Jordan (Black September)? Why doesn’t this concern you?

10. Did you ever stop to wonder how much better off everyone in the region would be if Arabs stopped trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel? What would happen if the Israelis gave up their weapons and disarmed? Would they live to see the next day? But what would happen if the Arabs completely disarmed? You know the answer: They would all be AT PEACE! And if there is no war to rile them up, the Arabs would be forced to look at their own repressive, pre-medieval societies. Why would they want to do that when there are Jews to kill?

11. Have you heard “People who define themselves primarily by what they hate, rather than who they love, are doomed to failure and misery”? Can you see the parallels to the Arabs, who are blessed with land and oil, but still gladly train their children to kill themselves in order to kill Jews? Have you heard Golda Meir’s words to the effect of “There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours”? Why do the Arabs hate so much?

No one is complaining about me giving ‘ol Fred ‘hitch yer britches’ Thompson a C. I thought I did well by Ron Paul, giving him solid advice.

#63 - Hammy please forgive me if I refrain from holding my breath waiting for you to receive a cogent, civil, and well reasoned response to 11 very well MADE points……….

I just get sick and tired of the media seemingly pushing Mit and Giuliani on us. I want a debate where everyone gets the same amount of time and the same list of questions.

These debates are a joke, nothing more then free time for Mit and Giuliani to get face time. Both are liberals and I will not vote for either one.

I know that makes some people angry because “I am letting Hillary win” But I would rather get her in and out in 4 years then have to deal with one of the other two liberals for 8.

Besides I am through with voting for people who MIGHT do what they say…..

#57 - You need a little geography lesson before you’re, uh, smarter than the average bear. Iranians are Persians, not Arabs. Iran is not a democratic country. Israel was the only place Arabs lived and voted in a democratic country.

Dear Yogi,

Registering on a blog owned by a Persian Jew who has family still in Iran (plus plenty in California who barely escaped the Islamic Revolution with their lives)– strike one.

Pushing the idiotic canard that life for Arabs in Israel (whether citizens of the State or “even” those under “occupation” in Judea and Samaria) is worse than those of Jews in Iran– strike two.

Misspelling Israel as “Isreal”– strike three.

Doing all of this first thing on my Monday morning– icing on the cake.

So long, farewell, alf wiedersehen, goodbye.

The Zionist Sword of Righteousness thirsts for more bannable blood… do not tempt me.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

#66 Broc, it does seem that way. Hannity’s interview with Giuliani after the debate was like watching a homely schoolgirl swooning over the star quarterback.

I agree on the Hannity thing. Good thing it was limited to a little 2″ box on my screen.

He’s bonafide! He’s a suitor!

I jumped on the Huckabee train after listening to his message on Glenn Beck….fortunately Neocon reminded me via a link to what his message was a few months ago. He is a liar too.

Go Ron Paul!

Daniel James
I screwed up and deleted your comment that got caught in the spam bucket.

Please repost but find a way to shorten that thing.
Squawk

David Benzion is my hero. By the way, do you consider yourself a Zionist?

Daniel, what in his message changed?

68
I like that. A guy that can lop of heads with a smile on his face.

76 lop off*

Great. The DJ/Eric coalition to tell the truth about Huckabee.

This should get really interesting.

#68, But David,

Where are we going to get our witty banter from now… I mean you go chopping the heads off all of those that are blasting their insane mindsets, how will we be able to actually see how crazy they really are…

This is Ross Perot all over again, but this time He who I shall not name, is pulling the fringe elements from both parties. That is the scary thing. If he did get elected who would be running the country, all the skinhead, neo-nazi, open border, isolationists.

I love seeing the Pauliner bot machine at work. I liked Huckabee until I looked at his record on taxation. He is a little too spendhappy for me. Hunter and Tancredo were my two favorites, but they have gotten psychotic about this illegal immigration thing. Yea, it’s a big problem but not the root of all problems. Geez! Oh, by the way, Ron Paul.

Not that I am supporting Ron. Jut wanted to see if the bot will catch it!

#14 -

Good grief, where did you pull that one from?

“I would take the use of force very seriously. I would be guarded in my approach. I don’t think we can be all things to all people in the world. I think we’ve got to be very careful when we commit our troops. The vice president believes in nation-building. I would be very careful about using our troops as nation builders.” - George W. Bush, debate with Al Gore, October 3, 2000

Phil_M, I think you just showed that Bush did not run on a no Nation Building platform. Last I checked saying you would be careful about how you applied something is not the same, and in fact the opposite, of saying you would not do it.

And, as has been noted above, little less than a year later the world changed rather drastically.

#75 hamous

Do you really care? Nope.

Go Ron Paul!

One thing Bush has been steadfast about…open borders and his disdain for the Constitution.

#46 -

Poor misunderstood Islamid Fascists

Careful with your terminology there. The type of Islam you refer to is better termed “Islamic Socialism” or “Radical Islami.” The “Islamic Fascism” line is used in the media as an alternative to “radical” and “socialist” because “fascist” historically equates to the right wing. Terms like “socialist” and “radical” belong to the left wing, but the left doesn’t want people to make that connection and many conservatives have unwittingly adopted the “Islamic fascism” term.

If you need proof that “islamic socialism” is a far more accurate term just look to Europe today where islamic radicals are a growing political force. The muslim political groups there align with the left wing socialist parties without exception. The muslim districts in Britain usually vote for the far left wing of the Labour Party, or for the “RESPECT Coalition” (George Galloway’s breakaway group). They have NOTHING to do with the political right and everything to do with the political left.

Same goes for middle east politics. If there was ever an example of a true “islamic fascist” in the middle east (fascism being defined by the characteristics of secular authoritarian nationalism), his name was Saddam Hussein. Most theocratic islamist regimes have heavy socialist underpinnings, such as a rejection of individual property ownership, a collectivist attachment to advancing the dar-al-Islam at the expense of the individual, a world-wide ideological viewpoint rather than nationalist (as tends to be the case with fascism), and the practice of islamonomics (an economic system based on the rejection of interest and many other monetary earnings as “usury”).

#85 Yes, I do. It was a serious question. If he’s changed positions to suit the political climate I’d like to know.

Just like the question on “Goooh” I’ve asked three times and haven’t received an answer.

#83 -

How about some more then?

“It started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. And same with Haiti. I wouldn’t have supported either.” - Bush, responding to a question about Somalia, debate with Gore on October 11, 2000

“But we can’t be all things to all people in the world. I am worried about over-committing our military around the world. I want to be judicious in its use. I don’t think nation-building missions are worthwhile.” - Bush, same debate, October 11, 2000

I don’t think Bush could have made it more explicit in 2000 that he looked down upon “nation building.” He’s changed his views though and became exactly what he criticized. That is why we’re having such a hard time in Iraq too. If your objective ceases to be winning and instead becomes “nation building” you end up fighting the war the wrong way.

You should also remember the context of the 2000 election. It came right on the heels of the Kosovo war - a war that most conservatives opposed because of its clear “nation building” characteristics.

Most conservatives opposed other “nation building” aspects of the Clinton presidency - Somalia, Haiti, and Bosnia to name a few. They were deemed non-essential to US interests and thought of as wasteful interventionist meddling with no clear aim or purpose. The Republican position in 2000 had little room or tolerance for nation building. Our candidate roundly condemned the previous decade of nation building under Clinton, and most conservatives agreed with him.

It’s disturbing that instead of fighting real wars, Bush has taken to doing exactly what Clinton did - nation building. And as this thread shows, many of the same people who condemned Clinton’s nation-building in Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti, Somalia and other places are now happily embracing it as long as we’re the ones doing it in Iraq.

And please note I have no problem with fighting a real war against islamic radicals when necessary. Just make sure it is fought as a war, and Bush is not doing that.

Phil_M,

The landscape changed. And as a matter of record, we did not invade Iraq under the guise of nation building. That we have had to deal with the consequences of the decision to eradicate WMD’s that were purported to be there is a separate issue. IMHO, of course.

The one thing I don’t recall being a huge issue in the 2000 campaign was a bunch of people running around with pocket copies of the Constitution, claiming that their interpretation and only their interpretation was correct.

…and his disdain for the Constitution.

Speaking of “disdain for the Constitution”:

The GOOOH system does not favor any particular political position. It is intended to allow the people of each district to select and then elect everyday Americans who are true representatives of their locale. As such, it proposes that members of political families, men (or women) with wealth (defined by GOOOH as someone who possesses over $11.5 million in assets - 250 times the median income), and lawyers, be excluded from participating in the system.

http://www.goooh.com/Learn.aspx

BigJolly

So now that you’ve thrown the gaunlet down - what about Huckabee

Answer these questions

1. Explain the nursing bed tax of 2,000 per year

2. Explain the clemency of a Rapist who went and raped and killed again

3. Explain the Lulac 2005 speech and the killing of the voter ID and citizenship proof to vote and register and allowing illegal immigrants to compete for state funded scholarships

4. Explain why he refused to allow the removal of the 9% sales tax on food

5. Explain why Arkansas is 18th in state Taxation (Texas is 49/50) and yet 48th in income (Texas is 37th and has a large poor illegal immigrant population)

6. Explain why he’s suppotying a nationwide ban on smoking

Go ahead -

Answer me these questions three, ere the other side you’ll see…

Sorry, Eric, after your comment #271 over the weekend, I shall return to my policy of not responding to your comments. Enjoy.

You wanna cirlce jerk all day?

Not me

So I will assume you have no answer then…..

#97 So I’ll take it that you approve of the unconstitutionality of your new “non-party”’s positions on who can qualify as a candidate. Maybe you should refrain from future lecturing on the Constitution.

I miss interpreted this post from you so you could respond on your own terms

bigjolly Says:
October 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 am
Great. The DJ/Eric coalition to tell the truth about Huckabee.

This should get really interesting

Sooo…
I just thought it fair to let YOU explain - present proof to the contrary

All Huckabee is doing is Clinton’s they have a vendetta thing

Any articles refuting the facts would be nice

Comment 271 was not my wording it was a post by two people MB4 and Neo at a conservative national blog

I am refraining from commenting on Huckabee’s character just stating facts backed up by actual video from the candidate himself

All I wrote was Neo Nails it again

The liar and crook was written by someone else a prominent conservative blogger quoted by a long time LST blogger

Sorry for the confusion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2lap_RFiBQ

But it was in reference that Daniel and I were the only ones against Huckabee - there are more but that would be pushing the pushing other blogs limits

Comments like I’m frothing at the mouth a part of a coalition - you know stuff like that - lets go away from the personal and lets look at these candidates

The landscape changed.

How so? How has the “landscape” of radical islam changed? How is radical islam today significantly different from that encountered by practically every single country in the history of mankind who has ever faced a muslim invader or insurgency?

The driving religious ideology - expand the dar-al-islam - is the same. The quest for global domination is the same. The preferred methods of the enemy - guerilla warfare, insurgency attacks, blowing up stuff, and brutally executing pe