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27 Responses to “November Ballot - Proposition 16”
  1. Rastus on October 24th, 2007 at 8:50 am

    Gotta vote no on this one. It’s not the state’s job to improve living conditions and/or enhance property values. As soon as it’s done, the poor are gone and in move the rich(er). Besides, who is economically distressed? Need a better definition.

  2. BoxieAgain on October 24th, 2007 at 9:22 am

    Thank you for all the time and effort you put into these Propositions Big Jolly

  3. David Benzion on October 24th, 2007 at 9:24 am

    Liberal.

  4. bigjolly on October 24th, 2007 at 9:24 am

    You are most welcome!

  5. bigjolly on October 24th, 2007 at 9:24 am

    Um, that was a most welcome for # 2, not the troll.

  6. jacampbell on October 24th, 2007 at 9:27 am

    I have personally gone through the amendments and will vote against any bond issues (including local school bonds)every time they come up. Any reason to get more money (even loans) is ludicrous with all the tax money coming in. If you cannot balance budgets with all the money they have/get I see no reason for approving bonds for more. Besides I keep hearing that Texas has a $XX billion surplus. No need for a loan if you have money in the bank. We need some amendments that say X% should be eliminated each year/5 years to keep costs down. When I see gov’t trying to eliminate and not build/increase then we will be moving forward.

  7. coffee on October 24th, 2007 at 9:43 am

    The state can scrounge this money out of all that surplus they have. I’ll have to say no on this one.

  8. Dave D on October 24th, 2007 at 9:56 am

    #6 jacampbell, Ditto, I heard Dan talking about the need to build more schools YaDaYaDaYaDa! But I’m with you, My school taxes have doubled in the last 8 years and what did they do with the money?
    Rush is right about how to fix the schools, just ask “do teach?” No, you’re fired next.

  9. Broc on October 24th, 2007 at 10:01 am

    Although I agree with the goal, I don’t agree with the funding process.

    Big J I have a question. Since they started this in the 90’s and are almost out of money, how did this program in the past help?

    I mean what is 250 million when we apparently have a 5.4 billion dollar problem. Just curious did the 250 million keep it from being a 8 billion dollar issue? or did it really do nothing and we continue to see a growing problem?

    Just curious…. Seems like if we spent 250 million and still have a growing issue that exceeds that number exponentially, we should be looking for a real fix and not another band aid.

  10. bigjolly on October 24th, 2007 at 10:07 am

    Broc,

    I think the people you need to ask that question to are the people that now have clean water to drink and don’t have waste problems.

    Look at the population growth of Texas since 1989 and you will find your answer. No one predicted that this would solve all problems forever. We are a growing state.

    You know, sometimes, tax money is spent wisely. I think this is one of those times.

  11. Shannon on October 24th, 2007 at 10:13 am

    Having been involved in rural water and wastewater services in the past, I can offer some limited insight.

    First, this is a public health issue. As small towns and rural areas become more densely populated, septic systems and private water wells simply don’t cut it.

    Second, These areas are not like larger cities with their larger tax bases and abilty to issue bonds; only the State can help these areas to put together financing and grants to for these expensive projects.

    There are some grants available from state and federal sources, but these are few and far between. These grants are based on the number of
    low income people in the proposed service area. These grants only covered a small percentage of the costs. The water systems I was involved with all had sizable 40 year notes they were paying off. They have no taxing authority and their only source of income is sales of water to their members. Membership (to receive water service) in these Water Service Corporations is completely voluntary. You cannot be force to join a rural Water Service Corp.

    As population density increases the state requires updates to the systems and new wells to be drilled to increase capacity. The last well I saw drilled cost $98,000. These are not 150 foot “homeowners wells”. In this area they are 900+ feet.

    There are a lot of areas in this state where shallow wells are not an option for homeowners due to pollution or lack of a shallow water source at all.

    Thanks for your work on these propositions big jolly. It had to have been time-consuming.

  12. Shannon on October 24th, 2007 at 10:21 am

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    Oops. That’s a typo. The well cost $198,000. This did not include land acquisition costs nor accompanying plant upgrades.

  13. Rastus on October 24th, 2007 at 10:30 am

    If there’s no water there, the people will go elsewhere. If there’s water there, people will come from elsewhere. It’s economic development disguised as public health or whatever other costume you want to put on it. It is best left to the private sector to deal with these matters.

  14. Broc on October 24th, 2007 at 10:33 am

    BigJ like I said, I was just curious. If this is a bigger issue and it appears to be, lets not throw a band aid at it.
    We should get a head of the curve and try and do it right. I am the last one to want another government entity, but when it comes to health and water, I am more inclined to approve of one.

    We should scrap the amendment and get something better and bigger. There is plenty of money in Texas budget.

  15. bigjolly on October 24th, 2007 at 10:34 am

    Rastus,

    The people are already there. They can’t afford to live in the cities but that’s where the jobs are. So they settle in small, unincorporated areas. That is precisely why the program was expanded, to include the fringes of the counties of Harris, Fort Bend, Dallas, etc.

    It truly is a public health problem.

  16. Shannon on October 24th, 2007 at 10:35 am

    Just received from the local GOP:

    Sen. Reid has invoked Rule 14, to force a vote on his hated “Dream Act” Amnesty for Illegal Aliens. This vote is set for today!!! Passage of this bill would encourage tens of millions of families around the world to consider smuggling their teenagers into the U.S. where they would get an amnesty upon graduating from high school. The amnesty has no expiration!

  17. Shannon on October 24th, 2007 at 10:36 am

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    Oops. wrong thread.

  18. bigjolly on October 24th, 2007 at 10:37 am

    Broc,

    As we’ve seen, the politicians (the we elected) are unwilling to spend cash on hand because they are afraid of having to raise rates later (and get unelected).

    The larger amount is intended to scare people away. Sure, we could find ways to spend that much money but that isn’t what the amendment is for. It is to extend the current program by $250 million.

    I’m assuming that your last line was sarcasm, right?

  19. coffee on October 24th, 2007 at 11:17 am

    Where is this influx of rural population coming from? I’m sure you’ll pick up where I’m going with this question.

  20. bigjolly on October 24th, 2007 at 12:03 pm

    Heck, that’s where everyone goes when they need to boost their issue, coffee, don’t feel alone. ‘Ol Fred did it yesterday to try and boost his sagging campaign.

  21. coffee on October 24th, 2007 at 12:44 pm

    Hmmm if that’s true then maybe there is the root of a problem. I’ll note that when I grew up in rural TX, we got along fine without all the “economically distressed” assistance. While I believe it to be a perfectly valid issue to raise, we’ll just exclude that argument for now because without it, there are still good reasons to oppose this bond. The biggest is the overwhelming issue that the state has more money than it knows what to do with already.

  22. dowjones25k on October 24th, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    big jolly i want to second #2 boxie thanks for taking the time to explain these props to us dummies.

  23. bigjolly on October 24th, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    Hey, there aren’t any dummies at LST! ;-)

    Thanks.

  24. jacampbell on October 24th, 2007 at 4:35 pm

    More people coming in, why a bigger bond? Do not the existing taxes on municipals (MUDs) and any other taxes collected supposed to fund expansion since they are collecting the taxes from the person/family. Health problem or not the money is already in the gov’t coffers under some fund/account. They are asking for more to do what gov’t is supposed to do, basic infrastructure. It is the waste for admin, welfare, boondoogles that is draining the tax money they are getting.

    Also DaveD, is heard Dan yesterday talking about the bonds and he is cautiouly “neutral” about the school bonds. You have to take a stand on every issue. That is why I say no to any school bond. They need to cut something out before they try to ask for money. Also Dan was talking about the Robin Hood fund taking $50MM from Spring ISD so that is why they need bond money to fix up schools. Well They are asking for $600 MM. Big difference from $50 MM. Too many wants and very few needs and no eliminates.

  25. Shannon on October 24th, 2007 at 4:40 pm

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    These areas are not inside MUDs or municipalities.

  26. Rastus on October 24th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    Economically disadvantages areas of Harris, Ft. Bend, and Dallas Counties? Sorry, you had me going there for a minute or two, but think the locals in those metro areas could figure something out without taxing the whole state. No, no, no.

  27. Meglet on October 24th, 2007 at 9:56 pm

    Once again a HUGE round of applause to Big Jolly for helping explain in simple easy to understand terms what the HECK these propositions are saying!!!

    I must say this is the only one I have great qualms about following your ideas on…maybe the word bond just scares me…to me it’s like opening a new credit card and I am looking at this huge list of credit cards the state wants when they already have who knows how many maxed out. (Yes credit card is how I equate it, let my little mind use something to grasp concepts ok :-D)

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