LST: Neo-Nazi leader gives Ron Paul $500
by LST Staff · 10/25/2007 4:59 pmLONESTARTIMES.COM EXCLUSIVE!!!
Must credit LoneStarTimes.com!!!
That means YOU, mainstream media producer/reporter/outlet!
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A LoneStarTimes.com investigation has conclusively established that a leading figure in the American neo-Nazi / White-Supremacist movement has provided financial support to Ron Paul’s 2008 Presidential campaign.
The individual in question is Don Black, the founder, owner and operator of Stormfront, a “white power” website that both professional journalists and watch-dog groups have identified as the premier English-language racist/hate-site on the Internet.
Previous LST posts have focused on banner “widgets” appearing on the front-page of Stormfront. It is important to emphasize that these are NOT “advertisements” placed on Stormfront BY the Paul campaign, but rather publicly-available graphics that Stormfront’s owner has chosen to place himself, with links directly to Paul’s donation page.
Nevertheless, LST has in the past several weeks raised a series of questions for the Paul campaign; specifically–
- Can Paul confirm that the donation widgets appearing on Stormfront are the result of the site owner’s actions, not the campaign’s?
- Will Paul take measures to block Stormfront as a referring URL to his own website, so that no future donations can possibly flow into his campaign from a site that serves as the on-line nexus of neo-Nazism?
- Will Paul ask his own web-staff to trace past donations that were made by anyone arriving at his campaign’s webpage from Stormfront, so that these contributions can be rejected?
- Will Paul explore if there are any legal actions available to try to remove his donation widget from Stormfront, and if so pursue them?
- At the very least, will Paul personally state publicly, vigorously and unmistakably that he rejects the support of white supremacists, and that he will not knowingly tolerate their involvement with his campaign in any form or to any degree?
LoneStarTimes.com’s managing editor Matt Bramanti left multiple messages last week for officials in Paul’s national campaign press office seeking comment. None were returned.
In the interim, a number of grassroots supporters of Paul’s campaign– including many honorable and regular readers of LST– have argued that…
- It is unfair to hold Paul responsible for receiving political support from racists/neo-Nazis if that support was unsolicited by Paul;
- Paul hasn’t, in fact, solicited white-supremacist support; AND
- Paul’s campaign has no practical way of knowing whether or not a specific financial contribution made has come from a neo-Nazi.
These abstract debates are now moot– a contribution to the Paul campaign by a known white-supremacist has been identified.
The evidence is as follows:
- Black proudly and openly identifies himself as Stormfront’s guiding hand, and publishes a contact address on the Internet– PO Box 6637, West Palm Beach, FL, 33405
- A search by LST of public databases indicates that there is only one “Don Black” residing in West Palm Beach, Florida, zip code 33405
- A 7/16/01 USA Today article identifies Black’s wife as being named “Chloe”
- That same article identifies Chloe as being the ex-wife of close Black associate and former “Grand Wizard” of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke
- Minutes of a 9/7/07 City of West Palm Beach code-compliance hearing identify “Chloe H. Duke” as owning a residential property located at 203 Lakeland Drive
- According to Federal Election Commission records, on 9/30/07 the Ron Paul presidential campaign received a $500 contribution from a Mr. Don Black, who lists his address as 203 Lakeland Drive and identifies his occupation as “self-employed/website manager”
In light of these facts, we believe our previously asked questions continue to have merit.
A final note– it is traditional in political campaigns for candidates to return contributions from “toxic” donors once sufficient public scrutiny and outcry has been generated.
The difficulty in this instance is that if Ron Paul returns these funds to Mr. Black, all he will have done is given a neo-Nazi $500 more dollars with which to spread his psychotic bile.
We would therefore like to suggest that the Ron Paul campaign donate Black’s $500 to any of the following worthy recipients–
- United States Holocaust Memorial Museum ($500 would make Dr. Paul a “sustaining member”)
- One Family Fund (which works to rebuild the shattered lives of Israeli victims of Arab terror; $500 would make Dr. Paul a “healer”)
- Aish Ha’Torah (dynamic Jewish educational foundation; Aish donations are set according to funky Kabbalah-based giving levels–$18, $36, $180, etc.–but for $500 Dr. Paul could simultaneously become a “Friend of the Wall” and a “Gate of Wisdom,” which would entitle him to both a Sterling Silver Menorah bookmark with certificate of authenticity from the Israel Museum in Jerusalem, and a Western Wall Images CD with over 500 unique photos of life at the Western Wall– perfect “re-gifting” items for the fast-approaching Hanukkah season)
We try to be helpful.
Matt Bramanti, Managing Editor (Gentile Stooge)
David Benzion, Publisher (Z.O.G. Chapter #1948 President)
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Well I guess all of the Paulites need to step forward and appologize… He has gotten money from Stormfront and done NOTHING at this time about it….
Good job LST for discovering the truth. Ya’all deserve an award.
Wow, it’s been up 10 minutes and not a Paulistinian yet?
Does this mean you’re not running for county hide inspector?
Ya figure they would be more supportive of Bushitler, but what do I know? I’m not a neosocialist.
Niiiiice job everybody at LST!! Now we have cold hard facts to work with.
You cracked the case.
Go Ron Paul!
The agenda of Lone Star Times becomes more and more clear with continued articles along these lines. I’m sure there are registered sex offenders, rapists, and racists supporting each and every candidate running. But Lone Star Times goes after one candidate with such amazing determination. Previous articles on Ron Paul from this site make it quite clear that discrediting Ron Paul is its goal. It’s a free country, folks. I am of the opinion that white supremacists are backwards idiots… but I honestly have no interest in who they or anyone besides myself support. I am only interested in who I support and what that candidate stands for. So should you be. Lone Star Times is grasping for straws. The author only wishes he had real dirt on a man who has proven to be an upstanding statesman for his entire career.
Wow, it took 37 minutes.
sreams
Dont ya know Ron paul has his hood at the ready?
Still stuck on this molehill? I suggest you go read what I posted on this before….
http://lonestartimes.com/2007/10/23/ron-paul-funded-by-supporters-of-racist-websites/#comment-210546
Why should Paul reject the support of someone based on their beliefs? That would be like saying Paul should reject the support of Jew because they don’t believe in Jesus. If accepting support from Don Black is illegal or unconstitutional, I would understand, but in this case sir, you are simply attacking someone for their beliefs.
Maybe I can borrow Ron Pauls hood? I lost mine…err maybe I left it at the border?
#9 - I would ask ANY candidate to return or donate such funds to charity.
Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
Excuses, excuses. Keep on making ‘em.
#3 Well, here you go, more than 10 minutes though
I hope Dr. Paul will not return any contributions and certainly will not give even a cent to any Zionist organization you are suggesting. I begin to think that this campaign of smear started because of Ron Paul position regarding aid to Israel. One of the leading Zionists Michael Medved already said that Dr. Paul is “anti Israel” and “has ties to known neo Nazi organizations”. From your post I began to suspect that you guys have ties to other hate groups, such as ADL. Don’t you?
As for Dr. Paul I wish he could end all this nonsense by saying that he is glad that his message of freedom resonates among people from all walks of life and that he welcomes every supporter regardless of their political, religious or ideological views. But that is of course up to him.
Tannim, It is a story because these are the kinds of things Republicans are regularly attacked about. In most cases, the Republican comes out, says they are not going to accept the support of a racist group, and then either give the money back or donate it to a charity. LST is just calling for Ron Paul to do likewise.
Sure thing Doc– because there is no significant moral distinction one can make between donors who don’t believe in Jesus and donors who do believe in racism, bigotry, Jew-hatred and White Supremacism.
Keep digging.
#16 - ?? Listen, here’s the deal:
If you accept campaign contributions (and 500 dollars is nothing to sneeze at for an individual contribution) from the head of a white supremacist group, and it becomes well known, then that creates the perception that you at least tacitly support that group’s agenda.
Why is that so hard for Paulites to understand??
I want to put everyone reading LST on notice– there are new people registering and leaving comments. It is likely that at least SOME of them are the racist bigots from over at Stormfront.
Read with a jaundiced eye.
If you are a new commenter who supports Ron Paul and are NOT a racist bigot… well, unfortunately you are entering the conversation at an inopportune time.
Think clearly, communicate carefully, and we will be fair-minded in judging your motivations and the strength of your intellectual arguments.
18 - Wow. The “Z word”. You are looking at this clearly and with no bias…
/sarc
#23 jimb - I expect you’ll see much worse before long…
Well this is sorta’ anticlimactic, we already knew that this was true, because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it just might be a duck! That said I’m glad that it went “main stream”!
Like I said
Ya’ll cracked the case. Good work.
God Bless ya!
Go Ron Paul!
Dave
What is manstream?
LST?
Bwahahaha
Maybe tonight CBS will carry it and make ya’ll proud?
“I would ask ANY candidate to return or donate such funds to charity”
Go ahead and ask then. Maybe you should make a list of all of the belief systems that are unnacceptable to you so that Ron Paul can be sure to fund your preferred organizations well.
DJ - What’s your point? Should Paul not be asked about something like this? Is he not a presidential candidate? Is the question unfair?
Does Ron Paul’s status of “Constitutional Savior” exempt him from such scrutiny?
#1 bweldon says; Well I guess all of the Paulites need to step forward and appologize…
I’m holding my breath!…NOT!
“What is manstream?”
When you’ve been on a long trip and drank too much coffee???
#28 - It is a pretty short list. I would ask a candidate to shun contributions from known racist organizations like the KKK or individuals well known to be associated with them, like David Duke, people known to be associated to be with organized crime, and sicko organizations such as NAMBLA.
And there’s nothign wrong with that…
#26 DanielJames, You are right, that was incorrect, my bad! It may go “mainstream” since he clams to be a Republican. I was just glad that it went out on the radio.
Well, at least we can keep the jackbooted crazies busy here tonight so they don’t clutter up other people’s websites. I hope other folks on the net appreciate the kind things we do for them.
To those who are trying to use this to put a white hood on Ron Paul, you may be interested to know that, of the 4,000 babies he has delivered, more than 700 of them could not pay some or all of their doctor bills. Of these, over half were not white. He provided the medical services for them anyway.
And who is guilty of blind hate here?
Lone Star is just a Red Neck Red State wannabe.
In that same vane, please ban all talk of Ron Paul and Ron Paul supporters.
This website is just a couple of good ol’ boys sippin’ beers and checking out white supremist websites.
It is no shock that you are the first to crack this MAJOR news story since the website mentioned I’m sure is just a shortcut on your desktop away.
yuck a yuck ‘here come those damn RP supporters’.
“wow it took 37 minutes.”
You are pathetic. You want Dr. Paul supporters here so you keep writing this rediculous dribble.
The truth is you are afraid of Congressman Paul returning America to a Constitutional Republic and you know he is gaining momentum daily.
You can go back to your cow tipping now.
I’m listening to Dan online right now. I wonder how long it will take the Ron Paul crazies to show up on KSEV…
“Does Ron Paul’s status of “Constitutional Savior” exempt him from such scrutiny?”
Yes, because the Bill of Rights allows Mr. Black to believe anything he wants and support any candidate he wants as long as he isn’t breaking the law or infringing on the rights of others. I’ll say it again… I think Mr. Black is a backwards fool, and I don’t care what he does or thinks as long as it falls within the law.
Lone Star Times is pretty small-time when it comes to its importance. If this really becomes an issue that people are actually paying attention to, I’m sure Ron Paul will comment about it when asked. Until then, it is still a non-issue, regardless of how important this publication thinks it should be.
BTW… how much time has the Lone Star Times dedicated to finding questionable supporters of any of the other candidates? Let me answer for them… None. The agenda here doesn’t fool anybody.
35
And he only ate three of them…
Um, nobody? This isn’t about his work as a doctor, and nobody is trying to put a white hood on the man. We’re just asking if it is right for a campaign to ignore the fact that money is coming in from known racist organizations.
Paul’s campaign is about a return to the constitution, and that includes freedom. Free peeech, freedom to have ideals no matter how wrong they may be. Although I personally do not support racism, I shall defend their right to feel that way. That is what freedom means. Ron Paul should not be under any obligation to return any money that was unsolicitited. He himself has not ever expressed such beliefs.
“It is a pretty short list. I would ask a candidate to shun contributions from known racist organizations like the KKK or individuals well known to be associated with them, like David Duke, people known to be associated to be with organized crime, and sicko organizations such as NAMBLA.”
You’ve made my point. Yours is just one person’s list. Shall we gather lists from every individual in this country as to who is offensive and who not? We could probably label every person in this country as an undesirable with that logic. I guess the plus side is that $100s of millions would to to charity, and we’d never have to see a campaign advertisement ever again.
Terry, should Mrs. Clinton have returned the money from Hsu?
By then it will be too late.
You know, while we were perusing the scumbag websites we were looking for all the other candidates. Funny thing is all we could find were “Ron Paul for President” banners.
Yepper texpat
I heard they arrested an illegal for lighting fires in San Diego. Is that dang border closed yet? That is the subject matter I would like to discuss but not LST.
Go Ron Paul!
Whos the jackboot? Jackboot would imply force and tyranny.
#28 sreams
Here’s a partial list of people I would not accept campaign contributions from if I were running for public office.
Nazis (or fascists & bigots of any stripe), HAMAS (or radical Islamic militants of any stripe), Communists (or agents/defends of totalitarian regimes of any stripe), rapists, child-molesters, murderers, and thieves.
Am I intolerant for not wanting a noble cause (limited government) to be tarred by association with such people?
Wow. You have us nailed. I feel so DIRTY!
You didn’t answer my question. My question wasn’t whether or not “Mr.” Black (more respect than he is due, IMO) had the right to donate. He absolutely has the right to donate. My question was whether or not we had the right to look at his FEC records and ask why Paul would accept support from known fringe racist groups.
We DO have that right, by the way.
And the suggestion that LST is “too big for its britches” to ask such questions is ludicrous. You’re trying to suppress free speech more than anybody here.
sreams,
Is any person, group or philosophy acceptable to you?
“By then it will be too late.”
Too late for what? To fulfill this publication’s agenda of slandering Ron Paul?
theonlypatriot,
You discuss it daily, right here on LST. What’s preventing you today?
Too late for any chance at credibility for your savior.
Sreams, this is not a First Amendment issue. No one is calling for any government action in this matter.
You will recall that the First Amendment begins:
It does not say:
Yes, neo-Nazi white-supremacist scumbags have the right to contribute money to the candidate of their choice.
Along the same lines, individuals have the right to ask why a candidate is accepting neo-Nazi white-supremacist scumbags’ money.
And candidates also have the right to reject neo-Nazi white-supremacist scumbags’ money.
In this case, the Ron Paul campaign is accepting neo-Nazi white-supremacist scumbags’ money, knowing that it’s neo-Nazi white-supremacist scumbags’ money.
And yet, out of all the things in the world you could be doing, you’re here.
Clinton had to return the money.
bigjoke
Mrs Clinton should be behind bars…so what..shes not and the repukes let everything slide including Bill Clintons treason …Sandy Burglar? Chinese secrets?
“Is any person, group or philosophy acceptable to you?”
I disagree with many philosophies… but respect the right of all of them to exist that are not breaking the law or infringing on the rights of others. Ron Paul would support Black’s freedom to think the way he does, so what’s the point of denying him as a non-solicited supporter?
#52 Matt, Well said!
BTW; LST may make 500 on this one! ;=) 300 is a given!
Can do, cuz it;s a short liast:
Nazis
White Supremacists
Anti-Semites
Islamic Extremists
I think that puts me in oh, 90% of the electorate.
Although it;s not a beleif system, I;d add;
Convicted felons
Convicted Child Molestors.
See?
It’s easy. al one needs do is take out his Moral Compass, flip open the lid, and look down at it.
#1 - No need to “apologize.” I’ve said all along that if you can conclusively identify a neo-nazi contributer, I’ll readily call for the donation’s return.
You’ve done that, now give Ron Paul’s people a fair and honest opportunity to properly repudiate the contribution before turning this into a smear.
Because you don’t want your campaign to be tainted by association with such bass-ackward morons?
Nobody’s telling Black or Stormfront to think differently. Paul can support Black’s freedom to be a schmuck all he wants, but he doesn’t deny him that freedom by refusing to take his money.
It boils down to a question of character. When running for public office, do you want known racist organizations to donate to you and help you get there? Besides, if Paul ever becomes a credible threat, his opponent’s campaigns will dredge up this information and put out commercials about how RP accepts support from racists. It will happen. If Bramanti can find the stuff, organized campaigns who do this for a living will find it too.
Sarge
You left out the Minutemen.
That’s interesting, coming from a libertarian.
You see, there are plenty of legal things that are reprehensible and should be opposed by decent people using peaceful, private-sector means. Here’s a short list:
-Screaming “hey fatty!” at pregnant women
-Not tipping
-Advocating white supremacy
-Failing to flush a public toilet
-Using racial slurs
By your standards (or lack of them), you “don’t care” whether people do any of these, simply because they’re legal.
In doing so, you’re allowing the state to dictate your tastes and manners. After all, if it’s legal, it must be okay!
That’s an odd form of libertarianism. Seems to me that a true libertarian would attempt to set social standards by private-sector means, rather than legislation.
theonlypatriot
So, this stuff is now the fault of the Republicans? You’ve got to be kidding.
“White Supremacists
Anti-Semites”
There are many in this country who would call someone who opposes affirmative action a “white supremist” and someone who opposes foreign aid to Israel an “anti-semite”. You are opening a Pandora’s Box.
Okay I don’t even know if this will be seen because so many posts are flying up but may I point out to those of you who are getting your panties in a wad thinking we are beating up Ron Paul–WE ARE NOT BEATING HIM UP. We are asking him to do a simple little thing that is only common sense and fair to people who want to make a decision about who to vote for. CONDEMN THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS. That is ALL we are saying. We are not calling Ron Paul a racist himself, only asking that he prove he is not. Why is this making you so upset??
What is this? Is Phil_M learning the beauty and simplicity of brevity?
#59 - And I continue to maintain that Paul’s campaign has known all along that he’s had their support. All they have to do is give an intern PC and tell him to look up references to RP and see who is talking about him. Rest assured, they HAVE done that, if they’re a campaign staff worth their salt.
They also know where their donations are coming from, including referring URL. That’s what databases are for.
Bigjoke
You brought up the clintons.
How high is the water momma, 65 feet and risin”
61 - The minutemen, by and large, go to pains to *not* be a racist organization. Some may disagree. However, NOBODY can dispute in any honesty that Stormfront is racist.
First, none of these posts have been “smears”. Second, the first request for response from Paul’s offices was delivered 14 days ago. More requests have been unanswered.
No, theonlypatriot, I brought up Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Hsu.
Oh, please. It is called common sense. Nobody over at Stormfront is simply opposing affirmative action or opposing foreign aid to Israel. Go check out the site, if you can stand it for more than 10 seconds. I went over there a few days ago to see what it was about. Had to take a shower afterwards.
Side question for discussion:
How disapppointed in their Savior are these guys going to be when Mr. Suckforward makes a public statement and returns the donation?
Wouldn’t that mean that he agrees with us morons her on LST?
Can’t figure out why you’d want them on your list, DJ, but hey, if they are your choice–
Tom DeLay took money from convicted criminals.
Where’s the outrage?
Larry Craig solicited sex in a bathroom.
Where’s the outrage?
Uh, Tom Delay’s not running for President?
Sorry;
Pretty dam easy for me to know a real White Supremacist and a real Anti-Semite.
and it is for most people—except apparently, Ron Paul supporters.
David Vitters had sex with prostitutes.
Where’s the outrage?
You mean, Tom DeLay who is no longer in office and Larry Craig who everyone screamed about for weeks??
No, but where was the outrage when he was Majority Leader?
Answer: Not here.
Sarge
I think he should give the money to the RNC..they could use the money. I hope this sinks Ron Pauls ship and opens the door for Rudy I love abortion and hate the 2nd Amendment Juilianna.
Seriously he should give the money back and I believe will. Ron Pal is an honest man and not a racist.
Let’s see what the people from the Paul Campaign have to say. This matter will probably be delt with. IF it’s not…….. it’s a huge red flag against Ron Paul. ( as if he needs one more)
#59 Phil_M
Campaigns employ people or contract to consultants to prevent just this sort of situation from arising. Mr. Paul is a physician, congressman and a candidate in the Presidential race. I would assume the man is quite busy and does not have the time to scroll through donor lists.
However, it is incomprehensible to me how his staff and contractors would have failed to flag this donation. It did not happen yesterday and there has been plenty of time to analyze past donations. The attitude that prevails in a campaign condoning these types of donations is what concerns and angers me. The manure does run downhill.
Tom DeLay resigned.
You’ve not been around here long enough to know this, but Larry Craig should resign, in my opinion.
Bihasqua enters from stage right, bringing up the double standards of LST.
My, my, my.
Exactly what does Tom Delay or Larry Craig have to do with Ron Paul taking money from Nazi sympathizers and promoters?
Nothing. Therefore, it is off topic. And should go into the Open Comments thread, where people are free to discuss any maniac idea they choose.
Just helping a newbie out.
And I do believe that LST had several negative posts on all of them. Got any more subjects for your righteous indignation?
Tom Delay was forced to resign from Congress–
and if you missed the outrage about Larry Craig, especially here on LST, you must have been surfing some other websites at the time——–
“It boils down to a question of character. When running for public office, do you want known racist organizations to donate to you and help you get there?”
This is the only semi-valid point to be made. I personally believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with Ron Paul accepting donations from any American who’s freedom of speech he supports. What the masses find acceptable may very well be different.
This brings me back to my previous point. This is small-time news coming from a small-time publication at this point in time. If it becomes a more widespread topic, then, in the interest of public relations, a politician in this position may very well wish to reject any donation from Black.
But… then again… Ron Paul has unpopular stances on a few other issues as well, and he has always been one to stick to his guns. That is a large part of his appeal. He will not bend his principles in order to garner extra votes. If asked, I would not be at all suprised if he stated clearly that he disagreed with Black’s beliefs, but that out of his respect for people to think any way they wish within the law, he cannot deny Black’s support.
Just to give this a bit of perspective, I can gaurantee you that many of paul’s supporters are pro-choice. Should Ron Paul return their donations because he disagrees with them? After all, one pro-life perspective is that those who are pro-choice advocate murder. Along that line of thinking, it seems to me that someone who advocates hatred (but not murder) is much more desireable.
It’s a slippery slope from any perspective.
Two mentions of Tom Delay on LST in the same day–
worthy of note.
David -
That is an entirely fair position, and as I have stated I fully believe Paul should dissassociate himself from Black’s donation to his campaign. In light of the above list though, I would like to ask you and other commentators here about a moral issue surrounding another prominent Republican’s presidential campaign that came to light in the last few days.
You specifically identified “child molesters” on the list of associations a person running for public office should never make. Earlier this week it was revealed that the campaign of Rudy Giuliani currently has an accused pedophile priest on its payroll, and that this pedophile priest regularly appears with Giuliani at public events.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3753385&page=1
The evidence against this pedophile is strong and well documented. Three different male victims have identified him as a child molester by name. A Grand Jury investigating the face found their testimony and other evidence against this priest to be credible. The Catholic Church has also officially suspended this priest from his duties and barred him from publicly serving in a religious capacity. In fact, the only reason he is not sitting behind bars tonight is that the statute of limitations has expired.
With that knowledge known, and in light of your expressed desire to keep racists, neo-nazis, murderers, child molesters, and other similar creeps out of the Republican presidential primary, will you immediately and unequivocally call upon Rudy Giuliani to fire this child molester and repudiate all connections to him?
Really? Show me the hit pieces LST ran on DeLay.
“We are not calling Ron Paul a racist himself, only asking that he prove he is not.”
Here is your answer:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html
So are we done here?
Phil #92 when LST opens an article on Giuliani I will join you there in doing just that.
Phil_M
Therein lies the difference. Accusations versus proof.
Brevity, Phil_M, brevity.
#94, actions speak louder than words.
I was actually thinking to write a response here…then I got to the part about Ron Paul donating these funds to charity. Then the author names off 3 charities for Paul to donate the funds to. All 3 are Jewish funds. No AfroAmericans, no Mexicans, no Chinese or Asians. No Middle Easterners. Only Jewish.
How racist is that?
sreams,
You really don’t want to bring up Dr. Paul’s writings on race. Trust me.
#76, 77, 80, 82 Bihasqua
Listen Sahib, you colors are showing through. It must be hard to keep up appearances. How long can you do this ?
You think Romney isn’t racist? Or Giuliani?
Give me a break.
What is wrong with Larry Craig? Hes a homosexual, a cheater who DELETED. Thats it. Leave the man out of this! He is a solid republican.
Phil - on the Rudy thing, I thought we addressed that? Rudy made a public statement about the relationship. I don’t accept his explanation and will not vote for him. I wouldn’t have anyway but that’s beside the point. Ron Paul has not addressed this issue!
#98 TxRedneck
We just like Jews here. Nothin’ racist about that.
Ron Paul wrote that.
Actually, it is a very germane point. If you are willing to give the man a pass, that’s OK. I am not. There has to be a minimum level of character displayed by a candidate that I would be willing to vote for. This isn’t a freedom of speech issue. It is a character issue.
To put this in the proper perspective, if NARAL’s website was putting a Ron Paul 2008 banner on their front page that redirected to Ron Paul’s donation link, and the head of NARAL donated money to Ron Paul, then maybe it would be appropriate to ask him why he would accept that money, if he was indeed opposed to abortion.
If Suzy Q. donated money, we would never know if she supported abortion. You’re comparing apples to lobsters.
No more racist than anyone who would quickly das off a list of charities they are familiar with because they are active in thier religion.
I’m not active religioulsy—I’d have gone with Military Charities.
Nice try though—
“You really don’t want to bring up Dr. Paul’s writings on race. Trust me.”
Why? Because you’ll pull out writings that have been well documented as having come from a ghost writer? Sorry… you can’t surprise me.
bigjoke
Did you know that Bernard Kerik, Rudy Joklianis buddy, chief of police…was convicted of serious crimes and is being indicted of more as we type?
Talk about good republicans.
See there sreams, what can of worms you opened? I told you not to do that.
/sighs and walks away, once again not listened to
103 -
Perhaps you can direct me to where it was, but i’ve yet to see so much as a single thread about it posted here. The only discussion I know if is when I brought it up midway through the open comments thread yesterday and suggested it may be a topic for additional scrutiny. You may also recall that at least one LST writer came to Rudy’s defense over that relationship.
Yeah - Rudy actually defended the child-molesting creep and pledged to stick with him despite all the evidence! In my book, that’s far worse than unwittingly recieving a campaign contribution from a scurrilous source.
Yes, theonlypatriot, I do know about that. Is Mr. Kerik also on Mr. Giuliani’s campaign staff?
“Ron Paul wrote that.”
Ghost writer. Try again.
Honestly, if I only had 2 choices in the universe and they were between Paul and Giuliani, and I wasn’t allowed to skip the box, I would vote for Paul. I wouldn’t like it, though…
Next!
Let’s rewrite history! Everything ever bad written by someone was not written by them, it was written by a ghost writer, even though the author signed his name to it and DID NOT DISAVOW IT CONTEMPORANEOUSLY!
But, hey, let’s rewrite it anyway.
How do you know it was a ghost writer?
Because the good doctor’s staff claims that.
Sargevining,
“Nice try though—”
I’d say the same of this article…
Even if it was, did Paul sign his name to it? If he did, without changing the text, would that not mean he agreed with the sentiments?
Folks,
This is starting to resemble a smear campaign. The concern over this contribution is legitimate. However, the amount of questionable donations in this campaign probably approaches infinity, and the Lone Star Times chose to focus on probably the only one Dr. Paul has ever had.
We all know Ron Paul is not a white supremicist–he is quite the opposite–a libertarian. He has said that we do not get rights from being gay, white, black, or a member of any other group, we get our rights from being individuals. He opposes aid to Israel and Palestine (or other Arab states for that matter) because he believes their 2000+ year old quest to kill each other is none of our business. So lets leave the most honest man in Congress alone.
Bigjoke
Birds of a feather flock together. They are friends! Buds! It speaks volumes. Corrupt to the core and a liberal.
Wow, what a great piece of investigative journalism on the part of the Lone Star Times and KSEV!
So, when will you complete the investigation of storm front and similar sites, and pose these questions to other candidates (or parties) that they might support?
Leave no stone unturned, LST. You’ve done great deeds to end racism in Jena, LA… Why not take it nationwide?
Or is this really all just about RON PAUL?
Honestly…
Boy, that’s some defense you’ve got there:
“Ron Paul isn’t a racist! He just employs racists, lets them write whatever they want, stamps his name across the top and mails it to constituents! He’s perfectly within his rights to do that! Fire cain’t melt steel!”
I’m not even convinced that Paul is the most honest man in Congress.
#95 -
I look forward to it. The problem is that I fear they won’t be doing so at any time in the near future. I suggested the appropriateness of a thread on Giuliani’s pedophile priest friend to several of the writers here yesterday, considering the attention they’ve given to Paul. At the very least it would be a consistent and moral thing to do. None have taken up the suggestion, and at least one of Giuliani’s more vocal supporters here openly defended him and praised him for sticking with this pedophile creep. So while I would be pleasantly surprised to see the story addressed, I’m not holding my breath.
DJ, come on, saying Guliani is a liberal here is definitely preaching to the choir.
Sheesh, theonlypatriot, you gotta be able to do better than that. C’mon, I know you can, give it a try!
Substance, BigJolly, substance.
Phil, who here is a vocal supporter of Guliani?
That was a start, Phil_M. A few more tries and you’ll get the hang of it.
You keep missing a very salient point, Phil. GIULIANI PUBLICLY ADDRESSED THE ISSUE. RON PAUL HAS NOT. Giuliani’s response was not acceptable to me (or you). Once Paul addresses it I will decide whether I think his response is acceptable to me.
And yet you complain about us informing folks about the racists connected to Mr. Suckforward’s campaing and shout
Go Ron Paul!
Interesting——
“How do you know it was a ghost writer?”
He says so, and I believe it. I’ve seen no evidence that this guy has ever been a liar in his 30 years of politics.
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41721
#133 -
Far from it, Hamous. I know Giuliani addressed the issue publicly: he addressed it by defending the child molester and keeping him on staff!
135 - this is simple: If Paul’s ghostwriter wrote it, then he better be dang sure he believes what is written, because he’s signing his name to it.
131 - BigJolly has stated several times that he believes Giuliani is the “only republican who can beat Hillary,” and operating from that premise has favorably covered his campaign in comparison to those he dislikes (namely Paul and Thompson).
He also praised Giuliani’s defense of the child molester when I asked him about it yesterday.
#136 - Did I miss something or did Hamous not say he didn’t find Giuliani’s response satisfactory?
Phil
I’m guessing that since Matt and Hamous have been very busy researching the story being discussed here tonite, that they had no time to do one on Guliani.
I’m also guessing that now that this one has broken—and aired on local radio as well, that you will soon see a post regarding the Guliani episode as well.
But I doubt that it’s anything that came on thier radar screen and was ignored. The first I heard about it was last nite, and I consider myself relatively well informed—and not a Guliani fan either.
And yet you complain about us informing folks about the racists connected to Mr. Suckforward’s campaing?
Huh
Donating money now makes you part of the campaign.
Lay off the vodka sarge.
132 - Thanks. I’m still patiently waiting for you to experiment with making a substantive, coherent, and well evidenced argument. Perhaps some day…
Phil, I think you might have confused bigjolly, who up until recently was a Huckabee supporter, with someone else.
#136 You seem unwilling or incapable of grasping this simple concept. You’re not stupid so I’ll assume you’re unwilling. Nevermind.
Phil;
If you don’t know that Big Jolly is Mike Hucakbee’s main hydration supply carrier, then you haven’t been around here long.
Saying that Guliani may be the only candidate that can beat Hillary is an observation, not an endorsement
You’re stretching things just a bit, there
No. That would be the pedophile priest that Giuliani hired after the Catholic Church suspended the guy from service.
The evidence against him was strong enough for the diocese to act, and they did the right thing. So what’s Rudy’s problem?
Atleast one thing should come from this…LST is NOT fair and balanced…but then again neither is FOX.
I demand that LST provide me with a researched list of financial contributers so that I can be sure that no NAZIs, racists or other vermin support it.
Oh but wait…LST is not running for office!?!?
Fine… According to the establishment, Ron Paul doesn’t stand a chance. Which begs the question, why are Matt, KSEV, and LST so worried about him?
DJ, This site was founded originally to combat the liberal slant of the Chronicle with a conservative viewpoint. I don’t think anyone ever thought it was going to be fair and balanced. And I know someone as balanced as yourself would know that.
Phil_M,
I realize that you like to distort the truth, but let’s correct this one, k?
What I said was that I admire Giuliani standing up for his lifelong friend in a time of crisis. I hope my friends do the same for me. I also said that if the priest was convicted, he would have to address it at that point. You pointed out that too much time had passed, and I said, perhaps a civil trial.
It really isn’t becoming of someone of your intellectual ability to resort to smears as you often do. I’m confident that, with a few years under your belt, you can do better. Really, I am.
Nor am I a rabid Giuliani supporter. But I do think he is the only Republican in the race that can defeat Hillary. And all polls to date agree with my opinion.
Good luck on your next smear try.
145 - You need not lecture me about BJ’s affection for Huckabee. I’ve commented on that many times over. But he has also argued for several months now that Giuliani is the “only candidate who can beat Hillary” as a talking point when he criticizes OTHER republican candidates. And of course there is yesterday’s open comments thread where he praised Rudy’s indefensible support for this child molester.
bob, It might have something to do with the way Ron Paul is reflecting on the Republican party.
#150 should read
152… Or that they somehow feel threatened by a guy that “doesn’t stand a chance…”
Another thing that will come from this…many people that may have been considering supporting Paul will look at some of the supporters here and realize they don’t want to be associated with ANY candidate that attracts followers like this. Y’all keep talkin’
I am not so sure about KSEV, because I honestly don’t listen to ANY talk radio that often, but LST’s interest may have something to do with every time that Paul is mentioned even tangentially in a posting, Paul-ites show up with pipe bombs.
Remember, this all got started when Bigjolly started his “grade the Republicans” series of posts about the debates, not with “hit pieces” on The Honorable Dr. Savior.
bob, I can say that Ron Paul’ campaign threatens me. I don’t want to see a Democrat in the Presidency when we have a Democrat controlled Congress. The way Ron Paul’s supporters act, and the insane things he spouts sometimes hurt the groups he supposedly is trying to help.
As I recall, Rudy didn’t rate high on any of them.
But I tell ya what;
If Big Jolly ever runs for office, I’ll consider his statements—and then likley vote for him
Yeeee haaaaw!
Indeed you did, BigJolly. That’s why I said you praised Rudy’s defense of this sleazebag. Here’s the exact quote:
“This guy that stands accused has been with Rudy through thick and thin. Personally, I admire Rudy for taking the heat and standing by his friend.” - Post #92
If that is not a praise of Rudy’s defense of this pedophile sleazebag then I do not know what is.
I never said you were. But you do routinely cast his campaign in a positive light - enough to the point that he can be reasonably considered one of your favored candidates along with Huckabee. This is notable because you also routinely portray other campaigns, such as Thompson’s, in a negative light.
Actually all this got started when the RPAcolytes and their antics became the news.
Sadly that story did not begin here.
Yeah, Phil_M, I said that last night and I’ll say it again tonight.
How you get from that to praise for a defender of a pedophile is typical of your sleezy kind of political smears.
I guess those snakes really scared you as a young fella, didn’t they?
This thread is about Ron Paul accepting money from a KNOWN white supremacist. Who’s defending him?
Ya know, if you don’t think Rudy gets hammered enough here there’s a simple solution. Start up PhilStarTimes and make it all Rudy, all the time. Heck, we’d probably agree most of the time! I’d probably still be “snide and meaningless”, though.
“I don’t want to see a Democrat in the Presidency when we have a Democrat controlled Congress.”
Hmmm… better not vote for the big-spending liberals running as Republicans then.
Is that you sreams or is a ghostwriter at your keyboard?
Might could be that LST, like me, don’t like racist scumbags and never have, and want to point out thier participation in and thier effect on, or political system.
157. I’m with you Moose. I don’t think a Comrade Clinton presidency would be good either, but the way I see it, if Ron Paul exited the race today, what’s left of the republican party would still have trouble beating her.
Launching a Ron Paul smear campaign only serves to draw more attention to the deficiencies in the republican party and its pre-ordained primary candidates.
But hey, don’t let me talk you out of anything! Keep the smear going full steam. The results should be interesting.
#166 - I thought Bihasqua may have been the ghostwriter…
“what’s left of the republican party would still have trouble beating her”
Of course they would. This election will be won and lost on the war issue. The most pro-war candidate -will- lose. I’ll put money on that with anyone who will take the bet.
163 -
The quote speaks for itself bigjolly:
“This guy that stands accused has been with Rudy through thick and thin. Personally, I admire Rudy for taking the heat and standing by his friend.”
If that is not praise for Giuliani’s action in this case, then what exactly is it? While you contemplate that I’ll also post the defense of this creep by Giuliani that said you “admire” so much:
Thanks but no thanks. Blogging bores me. It’s much more entertaining to watch y’all get frustrated and angry when your political spin gets scrutinized.
I posted this someplace eles, bears repeating here:
A few years ago David Duke, a known White Supremacist (and current Ron Paul supporter) was running for Governor of Louisiana against Edwin Edwards, a known criminal (and a Liberal Democrat—but I repeat myself).
People put bumperstickers on thier cars that read:
If Ron Paul becomes the Republican nominee, I will put that bumper sticker on my truck.
Very shortsighted thinking. The war is but one issue we’re facing, and perhaps not even the most important. Maybe the most seemingly urgent, but that’s not always the most important thing…
#156 jimb
” but LST’s interest may have something to do with every time that Paul is mentioned even tangentially in a posting, Paul-ites show up with pipe bombs. ”
Heh ! You ARE paying attention.
Smear smear smear. That one’s getting as old as the dreaded neo-con! And btw, if LST is such small potatoes why are all you apologists working so vociferously at suppressin’ our message? Hey, we’re just a small minnow on a big blue planet.
Sorry Sarge, Edwin Edwards won’t be released from prison until 2010.
sream, that’s why Hillary had to back off the anti-war platform. Apparently she was getting too much support for it.
#172 Phil
” It’s much more entertaining to watch y’all get frustrated and angry when your political spin gets scrutinized. ”
Contrary to your opinion, this is exactly why we do it; thank you very much. This is more fun than a barrel of monkeys !
Phil_M,
I said I stood by the quote. And would do it again. What’s so hard to understand about that?
What, you won’t give your closest friends the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong?
Again, you are trying to get the thread off-topic.
Ron Paul is being supported by White Nationalist Nazi sympathizers. Why is that so easy for you to dismiss?
Yep;
He defeated David Duke, and then was convicted of his crimes.
Worked out great.
If Ron Paul is the Republican nominee and Hillary is the Deomcrat candidate, I hope things work out exactly the same.
Can someone name ANYTHING that Ron Paul has contributed since being elected? ANYTHING?
The man in ineffective and will lose by a landslide in the primaries.
Carry on. I’m going to watch looney toons now.
179 - I never said that some people don’t enjoy being frustrated and angry. Seriously though - thanks for the amusement y’all provide. It’s much more fun than a typical boring old blog.
I’m not sure posting very eloquent dissertations that offer no substantive point could be considered scrutiny, but rest assured, no one is getting frustrated and angry with it.
And I’ll say this again:
I might just be the kind of moral judgement that made people who think like me put
on the bumpers of thier cars is what is compelling Hamous and Matt to pursue this.
It’s the reason I feel strongly enough to stay here and blog on it right now.
Oh–
and the only thing I’m sorry about where it concerns Edwin Edwards is that he’s getting out of jail at all.
180 -
The proof in this case is pretty much overwhelming - strong enough for the Catholic Church to suspend this guy from his priestly duties. That’s not simply standing by your friends, BigJolly. That’s called stubborn idiocy.
If Rudy keeps the company of pedophiles on his campaign team it makes me wonder what kind of company he will keep in the White House.
And the man may feel sorry that his pursuit of the Presidency sheds this much light on him—where it concerns his Congresional Seat.
Ron Paul has written many papers and there are videos in which he expresses his view toward racism. If one reads papers written by Ron Paul and compares them to the writing of the supposed “ghost writer”, it is quite obvious, to most, that Paul did not write about how fleeting young blacks in DC are.
If one takes the time to read and listen to ALL that Ron Paul has written and said about racism (his very OWN opinions). Ron Paul DOES want to end Affirmative Action. As a matter of fact, he wants to take everyone off the Government Tit time. Just as a Momma does her children, in time they must grow up and learn to fend for themselves. Ron Paul wants everyone off the Government Tit, Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, Jews, EVEN WHITES. You name a group receiveing a government hand out and you can bet Ron Pual wants to work toward eliminating it. Its no wonder that the “Any group” supremeist are going to support him. And its no wonder the Jews are attacking him…and secluding him from their debate. Of course their attacking Ron Paul, he wants to take their US taxpayer hand out away, along with all the others.
Phil, it might be time to move the “bash bigjolly the Rudy supporting evil man” party to the OC thread where it is more appropriate. It is distracting from the Ron Paul smear campaign.
I know the RP faithful has already seen this. Muhwahahahahaha
Nazi Presidential Nominee Surprised By Ron Paul “Revolution”
It was suggested early on that certain types of people were never acceptible for a campaign to keep as political supporters. I agree with that. It was also suggested that *any* campaign should dissassociate itself from neo-nazis, murderers, child molesters and the like. Again, I agree. Both of those positions are morally correct, and both should be adhered to regardless of who the candidate is.
It turns out that one campaign happens to have a strong connection to a child molester, so I asked about it as a test of LST’s consistency. So far you are failing the test.
Yep;
and I have EXACTLY the same concern with Ron Paul, as evidenced by the words and convoluted logic of his supporters, thier justification of his continuing to allow racists to use his copywritten campaign material to raise funds for him on thier websites, and his being aware of recinving campaign contributions from them.
No, that is called your interpretation of the “proof”, none of which you have seen in a court of law.
See, that’s the beauty of our system. We are innocent until proven guilty.
And I would stand by my friends, particularly those that I have known throughout childhood, adulthood, through, as I said, thick and thin.
Gotta go now, a pretty lady is waiting. Enjoy your smearing, I won’t be around to see it.
And I got to ask Phil:
Why are you not concerned about Pauls actions here, and those of his supporters?
You seem more interested in marginalizing big Jolly than you are about a man running fr the m ost powerful office on te planet.
Jew hateing Ron Paul accolites? Interesting. The man does draw a strange lot. Wonder why? Bet it’s not his cologne.
And I’ll support any candidate who has those policies.
As long as they don’t associate with Racist Pigs.
I was there Sarge! When Edwin was running against incumbent republican governor David Treen, the bumper stickers said:
…And Edwin got his third term.
This has nothing to do with smearing Ron Paul, except that doing so reminds me of Louisiana politics.
I’ve had about enough of this for tonight. I hope ya’ll get yourselves a lot of comments.
You name a group receiveing a government hand out and you can bet Ron Pual wants to work toward eliminating it. Its no wonder that the “Any group” supremeist are going to support him. And its no wonder the Jews are attacking him…and secluding him from their debate. Of course their attacking Ron Paul, he wants to take their US taxpayer hand out away, along with all the others.
Bravo!
To All:
Can’t you just feel the love here? I want to break out and start singing “Kumbaya”.
Question: What is the most dangerous thing a Republican Presidential candidate run into on the trail?
Answer: Another flesh-eating Republican!
Simple
How high is the water Papa, 199 feet and risin”
#197
Bullsh-t!
Youve made up your mind long ago. It wouldnt matter if RP held a press conference tonight.
BS!
It’s da Jooooooooos!!!!!!!
They are running the Government/Media Complex that are suppressing Ron Paul’s message.
Then Paul should have never approved the document! What’s so hard about that??
Last I checked a Grand Jury is convened as an authorized agent of a court of law, and a Grand Jury certainly did investigate this pedophile. They could not bring him to justice though because of the statute of limitations. Put another way, a guilty man got away because of a technicality.
Now you can keep throwing out the “innocent until proven guilty” canard that doesn’t even really apply here since a trial is precluded by technicality. But none of that changes the evidence we already know:
1. Giuliani’s friend was identified by name by three different victims.
2. The three victims - all males who were molested when they were children - provided detailed and corroborating accounts of the priest’s style of molestation.
3. A Grand Jury found those victims were credible and concluded so in its report.
4. The Catholic Church found those victims were credible and suspended the priest.
5. Rudy Giuliani knew when he hired the guy that the priest was suspended for molestation and had been named by a Grand Jury investigation.
Since the statute of limitations unfortunately precludes a trial of this creep, the only way to fairly judge him is to look at the evidence we know. That evidence is extensive and it says he is guilty.
Yah;
But I made up my mind based on how he plans to stop the Zionists I support from prosecuting the fake War on Terror that they started by taking down the Twin Towers in a controlled demolition so they could use the Government/Media complex to turn everybody into sheeple.
The fact that he’s taking contributions from racist scumbags is just icing on the cake.
Sargenining,
“And I’ll support any candidate who has those policies.
As long as they don’t associate with Racist Pigs.”
Ron Paul does not associate with them, THEY relate to him. You say you would support a candidate with those policies, and so will the White Supremist. So actually, YOU TOO seem to have much in common with that group…by the SAME reasoning that Ron Pual is associated with “Whities”, so too you are associated with them.
The blind faith exposed here tonight is indeed a sight to behold. Clear. Unambiguous. And, thank God, out in the open.
195 -
Nice try, sarge. But assuming you are literate you will note that I stated my full support of the call for Paul to return or repudiate this donation back in my very first post here.
I previously indicated I would take that position if a neo-nazi donor was found, and I have since reiterated it several times over.
That said, I am currently interested in testing whether LST applies a comparable level of scrutiny to unsavory supporters of all campaigns, or if Paul is the only one being singled out, hence the Rudy questions. As of right now they are failing the test.
BTW;
I’m pretty sure everybody here also knows how I feel about paranoid racist scumbags—and that I felt that way about them long before ron Paul thought about running for President.
TxRedneck, many of the racist groups consider themselves Christian, but you can bet your A** that my pastor would return any check they gave him.
Don’t know about you, but everybody who ever sent me a check was somebody I’d associated with,.
$500—I bet he got a nice thankyou letter, too.
Okay I still haven’t seen anyone really address this….
May I point out to those of you who are getting your panties in a wad thinking we are beating up Ron Paul–WE ARE NOT BEATING HIM UP. We are asking him to do a simple little thing that is only common sense and fair to people who want to make a decision about who to vote for. CONDEMN THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS. That is ALL we are saying. We are not calling Ron Paul a racist himself, only asking that he prove he is not. Why is this making you so upset??
213 - don’t hold your breath…
Maybe this will be an easier question. Since Ron Paul is against racism, a point that most here are in agreement with, how is it not hypocritical to take money from a group he abhors?
Ah;;
They’re just “passionate” about thier causes.
In some circles, you get cut a lot of slack if you’re “passionate” about your causes
To All:
I can see no way for Ron Paul to take the Republican nomination, unless Guliani, Rommney, Thompson, and Huckabee are all snuffed by a falling rogue meteor.
That would leave him to duke it out with McCain, which sadly I think Ron Paul could beat because everyone else except the die hard Paulites and McCainiacs would stay home.
I like some of Paul’s viewpoints, but one must play along to get ahead. So far, he has distinguished himself as the least cooperative Republican in the House. There just aren’t many markers for him to call-in.
I do wish some of the Republicans would filter out some of his kookier ideas and listen to those that have merit.
If he bolts to form an independent party, well it will only siphon off votes that would go to a Republican candidate. Paul will be almost as welcomed at future Republican events as say….Ralph Nader at a Democratic event. The latter gentleman could never suppress his oversized ego for the good of his “party” (He was a live long Democrat until his later years).
It will be interesting to see just how “big” a man Ron Paul will be when he faces the same ego question.
Simple
Jim Jones, comes to mind.
Icing on the cake?
Sure thing mook.
Simply put if they arernt a koolaid drinking republican liar you want nothing to do with them.
Good news. When the GOP sinks it wont have a damned thing to do with Ron paul.
213 - Fair enough, and it may be what you are saying. It is NOT what all here are saying though. Many of the people who are attacking Paul over this donation have absolutely no intention of voting for him in any circumstance and would not be satisfied with ANY possible answer he gave to their questions.
Their sole purpose is to embarrass his campaign by associating it with a scumbag. And as I have pointed out, these same people are extremely inconsistent when it comes to holding other candidates accountable for scumbag associations.
A basic principle of Christian ethics asserts that an immoral motive negates a moral objective. The objective of getting Paul to repudiate this scumbag is moral in and of itself, as are those who truly seek it for this reason. But not all motives here are as moral as the proponents of this question claim.
Simple, for someone who is right about 10% of the time, you’re 100% on this one. Twern’t hard to figger out though. ;=)
Simple, actually I have seen many who claim to be former Democrats in the Ranting Ron’s Paulbots. I fuigure most of Ron Paul’s supporters will come from the Libertarian and Constitutionalist parties.
When someone points out to Ron Pual that he’s received funds from an individual that can be CLEARLY shown to be pro Racist, I’m sure Ron Paul will review it and do as he feels the right thing. I fully expect Ron Paul WILL refuse this money, or he will give reason for not returning it.
But it is obvious to most, either cheering or booing, THIS ARTICLE’S PRIMARY PURPOSE IS A CHARACTER ATTACK.
Good news. When the GOP sinks it wont have a damned thing to do with Ron paul.
Sadly that’s a fact! He of course, will not even be on the radar screen the next time around.
I can only pop in for a minute right now; sorry.
Quickly–
We’ll cover the Giuliani story too; all of us have “real lives” that we actually get paid to do, and unfair or not, this issue has been the one that first came to our attention (and sucked up my “free” time).
As for the knuckle-heads who think I’m “racist” because all the charities listed are pro-Jew: I was trying to pick groups that it would bug the crap out of Mr. Black to know his money was going to.
That was the point.
If Dr. Paul wants to give the Nazi’s $500 to a crisis pregnancy center, that’s fine by me.
I just like the idea of my demanding a pound of flesh (heh!) from Mr. Black’s ass and delivering it to my fellow Jews.
Dave,
I did not know you were a fan.
Simple
p.s. I would be very interested in seeing you statistics regarding how often I was right and what criteria you used for Pass/Fail.
Wrong Phil:
If this were a candidate i had previously supported my reactions to this would be EGG-ZAK-FRIKKN-LY the same as they are here now.
They fact that this is occuring to a candidate I do not support is moot to the moral argument.
#221 - Au contraire. I would be satisfied if he returned the donation or donated it to a charity (it doesn’t necessarily have to be a Jewish charity) in a public fashion.
I won’t vote for him based on his positions about foreign policy and his lack of results about domestic policy. If he fails to respond to this scenario in a satisfactory manner, that will just be a third reason to not vote for him.
So no, he can’t get my vote by returning this donation, but I would feel a bit better about his character, in the off chance he did happen to get elected anyway…
BTW;
There are folks here who will tell you that I have spoken out against racist paranoids in our midst, even though they support an issue that i also support—because tolerating racist paranoids in you midst becase they suopport your cause only to increase the volume of your voice is wrong.
Period.
Also– Phil M is good people; everyone be nice to Phil.
I’m not so sure about him not siphoning off Dem votes. Hillary’s a hawk compared to RP. He may pull some of the anti-war left.
Saw this over at another thread on LST’s story:
Simple, Not a fan! Sometimes you are dead on right, but most of the time you’re out wandering in the desert. At least you’re hard to figure out. Keeps one guessing. Not a “TROLL” though, I don’t think.
#232 hamous, You have a good point, I didn’t think about that, but he would have to make it through the primaries. Ain’t gonna happen. The Loony left are pi$$ed at Hitlery because she planning to win, which means she HAS to pretend to be at least partially for the war.
TxRedneck: (btw, like your handle!)
Can you please name anything that Ron Paul has contributed to our country, since being elected?
ANYTHING? ONE THING?
To All;
Political campaigns take in a lot of money. It is amazing to me how spot a single $500.00 dollar contribution amoungst the millions of dollars in the average Presidential warchest.
This $500.00 dollars is more symbolic than substance. It is “noise”. Don’t get me wrong. I think Mr Paul should be allowed to send this check back with a “Thanks, but No Thanks”. The hoopla really serves no good except to draw our attention away for issues that really matter.
NONE of the Republican candidates are likely to become saints in the future. They are all flawed and imperfect men…..just like the rest of us!!
I have been voting for over forty years and I have never voted for a candidate that did not have some warts. I hoped less warts than the other guy.
But then again DAVE, I could be wrong.
Simple
ST darlin’, how many times are you gonna ask that question knowing you’re not gonna get an answer.
#237: I have HOPE!
Since you mentioned Child Molesters - why don’t we demand that All candidates return All money acquired from anybody that has ever belonged to a Christian Based religion or has ever donated money to their church, since these people have been providing financial support to Child Molesters for Decades, and those funds have in turn been used to shelter and relocate those offenders. Seems to me that EVERYONE who has ever donated to a Church is guilty of aiding and abetting the child molesters who walked with and watched over their flock. And since Child molestation in the Church is hardly a new Story… News reports going back at least to the 1950’s… it has to be assumed that anybody donating to the church had to be aware that at least a portion of any funds donated would be used in the support and protection of said Child Molesters. Yep, can’t think of any group of people so hypocritical as the bastards that fund Child Molestation while claiming to do gods work on earth. Their donations should be tore up as well.
Since they don’t appear on your list I guess it’s all right if candidates are supported by Black Power Militant organizations.
Also I think David Duke Ran for president twice, once in 1988 as a Democrat, the same year as Ron Paul’s Libertarian Run so I’m pretty sure the White Supremacist didn’t have have Ron Paul’s Support or Vote… and should David Duke have given back the money he raised, even though that was the group he was courting? Get Real, just because someone belongs to an organization you disagree with, doesn’t mean that their donation is any less valid, or their issues any less diverse than your own.
Personally I believe in Free Speech unfettered. I don’t think candidates should ever have to defend themselves against unsolicited contributions of individual donors. Now if Ron Paul were showing up at Stormfront hosted fundraising events and promising to advance their agendas while in office, then you’d have something.
Now, I’ve Never been arrested, I’ve never belonged to an extremest organization, and the only people I am prejudice against are those prone to violence. Still, I believe it is every persons right to support the Candidate of their choice, for whatever reasons incline them to do so.
I believe that right extends to everyone, even felons and child molesters. The mistake you are making is that you assume their support is based solely on the issue you’ve identified them with and that the Candidate accepting that money condones and supports those positions.
As Ron Paul said “because… I don’t want to interfere with the Internet does not mean I have to defend everything that’s on the internet, I certainly don’t want to defend everything that’s on the television set. The issue is who regulates us… that’s the only issue, it’s not whether we endorse bad habits or good habits - We Endorse Freedom!” I think that pretty much sums up Ron Paul’s Position on most issues.
Or should we be filtering donations for what amounts to thought crimes of the donor? Abortion the topic that drives you to donate to a particular Candidate? Can’t have that, if you’re pro-choice your donation shouldn’t count, baby killers the lot of you. Pro-life? Nope, your donation shouldn’t be accepted either as you support fascist dictatorships where individual Rights and Liberty are discarded at the altar of Religious belief. Everybody has an agenda they would like to legislate on, and, like you, somebody’s freedom of expression they’d like to limit.
Like the saying goes, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” And I think that’s the attitude Ron Paul will take on this issue, He may disagree with Don Black’s beliefs but supports his right to contribute to the candidate of his choice.
Besides, holding candidates accountable to their individual donors is idiotic… It holds no more validity than saying that because you host this forum, and accepted my registration hereon, that you are in default agreement with my views. And that by the same token… my support of your site means that I should expect you to push my views in the future. Get Real.
I, too, donated $500 to Ron Paul and the only thing I expect in return, if he’s elected, is that he do the same thing he’s been doing the last twenty years… speaking out on Government abuses and UPHOLDING HIS OATH TO OFFICE. And that’s something I guarantee you that NO OTHER CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT WILL DO.
Ron Paul is a bald-headed fool with simpleton ideas who appeals to the basest of the debased. He’s like the American Hugo Chavez without hair.
Dave D - He could run as an independent or Libertarian candidate. If Clinton is the candidate she would move back to the right a bit which would drive the loony left mad. The rabid right kooks, well we all can see who they’re flocking to. The two fringes will travel so far around the political circle they’ll meet up where RP will be happy to take anyone’s support. Under the guise of liberty, of course.
Simple, you said “I have been voting for over forty years,…” Damn you’re a lot older than I thought?! Most people your age loose the Liberal mindset!? The real world hits them in the face. I first voted when I was 18, I’ve NEVER missed an election, including local, (most important), and I’ve only been doing this about 35 years.
I, too, donated $500 to Ron Paul.
Twice!
Anybody who can stir up an anthill like he can gots to be good.
Go Ron Paul!
226 - David - Thanks! I realize time is a limited commodity, so I’ll look forward to seeing some good, hard-hitting coverage of Giuliani’s friend in the future.
I also agree with the idea of giving the $500 to a charity that bugs the hell out of Black - it is a good faith suggestion. Let’s hope Rep. Paul follows that advice, and if so will be commended in similar good faith by those who comment on it here.
JDT:
Fine — when will you support our right to say that we believe Ron Paul is wrong to take money from racist scumbags? Or does defending the right of folks to say what they think not include the right to criticize Ron Paul for his unsavory associations?
Ron Paul is a wrestler — I think he used to go by the name Nikolai Volkoff in the 1980’s. Just ask him to sing the Russian national anthem — as soon as he starts singing you’ll know its Nikolai Volkoff. That’s why wingnuts like srears likes him - because he used to be tag team partners with the Iron Sheikh.
Little Mikey - -that’s all Ron Paul can do — is stir up anthills — that’s why he’s suited to ruling the wrestling roost — not lead a country.
My dossier on Giuliani goes back to his days as an AAG in NYC. His prosecution of Michael Milken, to whom he has personally apologized, was one of the more egregious prosecutorial travesties in the annals of American justice. I’ll post it here in the future, but I may have to break it up into several articles. His conflicts of interest concerning Giuliani Partners and Bracewell/ Giuliani are sitting in Hillary’s vault just waiting to be unleashed in perfectly timed coordination with the MSM. One time-bomb after another and it will be an ugly slow-motion destruction. Rudy will never be able to catch his breath.
Having said all that, Mr. Paul’s apathy and/or incompetence regarding his campaign’s examination of donors is no small matter. I find it unacceptable Don Black made this contribution on September 30th and, in light of the increased public scrutiny, there was no apparent effort to return or, more appropriately, publicly reject this donation.
Dave, I think Simple has fiscal conservative leanings. Like many of us, there has been no party that’s been acting fiscally for more than a few years. He gets a little liberal on social issues but I wouldn’t classify him as your standard liberal. And he says he looks like a cave man
Has anyone investigated Ron Paul to see if he’s taken HGH? I have to think the man is on steroids - how else can one be so deluded?
Ron Paul may have also wrestled under the nom de guerre Rugged Ronnie Garvin. He may have also worn a mask during his parts of his wrestling career carrying on his antics in the squared circle under the name Mr X.
Is Ron Paul’s campaign manager Mr. Fuji? Or is he managed by Slick?
I do understand that many Ron Paul followers consider him to be the Doctor of Style. They’re mistaken, it’s really Ron Paul’s manager who’s the Doctor of Style.
Libertarian — does that not mean people who are not masters of their own domain?
MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE????
Hello? Tap..tap..tap…AHEM™
Can somebody please, for the love of whomever you may worship, please answer THIS question, please?
What has Ron Paul contributed to us, as an elected official, since being elected by Galveston?
Ron Paul stands for selfishness.
Ron Paul, Paul Ron, Enron…do you see the pattern.
OK Rex enough of the one liners.
LST Moderator.
Ron Paul — fringe at best.
Rex, Shuuug….I’m taking away your remote control!
Ah! The good ol’ days of wrestling! May Andre the Giant, RIP! Whatever happened to The Sugar Plum Farie?
Huckabee was the best Republican candidate — now we’re stuck with the rest — I’m in the anybody but Paul camp.
Adrian Adonis would have been a Ron Paul supporter — he was an adorable one — maybe even a sugar plum fairy.
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#239 -
That’s a ridiculous thing. Even with the problems the Catholic Church has had, churches aren’t known, by and large, to be blatant dens of child molesters. Apples:lobsters again.
Look, if you don’t care if Paul is supported by blatant racists, that’s fine, just don’t expect me to be fine with it.
Actually, I would. They’re known racist organizations.
In a word, no. David Duke makes no bones about being a racist, so I would not expect him to return donations from racist organizations. Paul, on the other hand, claims to be non-racist, so I would hold him to a higher standard than a David Duke.
Nobody is saying that Stormfront can’t say whatever they want. This is about whether or not Paul will accept their money, not about silencing them via government action.
Anything goes, then? If a candidate receives money from a donor, he’s sort of beholden to them. Do you want Paul to be beholden to Stormfront.org in any way?
There’s a big difference between accepting a donation from Joe Sixpack who may well be a racist, but you’ll never know, and accepting a donation from the head of Stormfront.org, who we all know is a racist.
Same with the abortion example you guys keep trotting out. If a candidate is pro-life, then I would expect that he can’t know if Joe’s wife Suzy is pro-abortion, but you know that the head of NARAL is pro-abortion, so you don’t accept money from the head of NARAL as the pro-life candidate.
You’re kidding, right? if you’re anti-abortion, you support facist dictatorships where individual rights are discarded? Please.
But he doesn’t have to take his money. A cash donation isn’t speech. Speech is endorsing Ron Paul for president on a website, or something similar to that. I agree that Paul can’t really do anything abou that. But he can return or donate that money.
Among the Ron Paul supporters are the Missing Link, the Iron Sheikh and Brady Boone. There are rumors on the internet that Ron Paul is actually George “the Animal” Steele — has anyone seen Ron Paul’s tongue - I bet its green.
#264
Don’t forget Tony Garea and Dean Ho.
#255 ST Sugar, of course they can’t, so they will just ignore you, hell most of them have NO idea how he voted on anything. Just don’t try to confuse them with the facts, they can’t handle it.
hamous, I’ve not seen him post in a long time, but then I’ve been outta-pocket for most of the Summer. When he first started posting here he sure seemed to be a Liberal, but every now and then he got it right.
In related news, it is being reported that another Ron Paul supporter has picked his nose in public.
Run for your lives!
What kind of idiot votes for a candidate based on what his/her supporters do?
You?
Yeah, racism is not such a big deal, it’s just a nasty little public nuisance on the level with NOSE PICKING???
#265 - They must have been regional wrestlers, like New England or somewhere.
Simple, just to clarify, are you saying that there is nothing wrong with someone who is anti-racism taking money from racists to gain power? It only becomes wrong when the money reaches some arbitrary level?
#271 - ROFL
#270 Meglet: No it’s WORSE! SOME women have been known to scratch their boobies in public./those darn bra’s are annoying.
/does this really need a sarc tag?
HELLO? What has RP contributed to our country, heck, even Galveston County, since being elected?
ANYONE?
I was going to send this email to what I thought was a peer…..
“As a former journalist still in the newspaper industry, I am ashamed.
This is guilt by association tripe of the most odious variety, and you should be collectively ashamed.
How exactly how intellectually lazy are you so-called professional journalists?
Oh, Christ. I just looked at your home page and realized that you aren’t journalists at all. This is a half-assed blogsite, and half-assed is a generous representation.
I feel much better about my chosen vocation, all of a sudden…..”
#274–OH MY GOSH! This must be stopped!!
/”if you need to read this you’re really really dumb” sarc
Maybe I’ll take up chanting with you, if two of us are saying it enough maybe they’ll answer!!
Thanks for the constructive commentary, mty.
Geez.
Southerntragedy,
Ron Paul has contributed Honesty, Integrity, and most importantly, HOPE.
It a real disgrace the other 635 refuse to follow the law of OUR Country.
Except shrimp, of course. The good Doctor loves shrimp, to the tune of $10.3 million in earmarks.
Maybe it’s a sense of family loyalty?
Southerntragedy,
P.S. As far as Galveston, from what I understand, Ron Paul has submitted EVERY earmark that is submitted to him. Heck, why don’t you submitt an earmark to him and see what you can get? Maybe some money to do bra research toward a more comfortable underwire? I feel certian he’ll submit it for consideration, and vote against it in the the house.
It a real disgrace the other 635 refuse to follow the law of OUR Country.
Oh no.
TxRedneck just discovered the 101 Shadow Congress Members we’ve painstakingly installed with the help of the Freemason/Illuminati banking cabal.
Jolly, fire up the shredder and get to work.
Hamous, send the
weather machinewidget to Site X.Everyone else, you know what to do.
TxRedneck, Can you name a single bill that Ron Paul authored that was passed? Honesty, Integrity and Hope are great things for a leader to offer. However if you can’t back up what you offer with deeds you have done, then you fall pretty short of being a good leader.
“and most importantly, HOPE.”
Yeah, terrorists hope he gets elected
Did Dr Paul get his foreign policy ideas from looking into all those vaginas all these years?
g’nite………
Ron Paul has contributed Honesty, Integrity, and most importantly, HOPE.
BAWAHAHAHAHA!! DAMN! You can’t make this sh*t up!!
If you can’t find ONE thing the poor B*stard has done, just pull something out of your rear end, that would make a hippie smell,..I mean smile.
duhmoose,
Sorry, but I’d much rather see a government do nothing that see one do what HAS been done. In other words, I’d much rather support a candidate who has failed to accomplish what our founders sought than to support those that seek to undo the same.
#283 Faster, We really didn’t need that visual, thank you very much! ;=)
Matt - On its way. I even through in a little extra fiat currency to rush it.
#285
COMMENT OF THE DAY! KUDOS!
Matt, I got your back, starting to de-bug all the phone lines in Bastrope. Check!
TxRedneck, you just might want to actually read the Founders own words before you start accepting what Ron Paul tells you they said. What I read in the Constitution and the Founders writings is much different from what the good doctor finds. I think that’s why he keeps the Constitution in his pocket, so he won’t have to actually remember what it says.
Oh, and “annuit coeptis”
Jimb
What is not constructive is using classical tactics to avoid even-handed debate or analysis while parading as a journalist.
The writers are clearly trying give the impression that they’ve uncovered something exculpatory and of gravity. In reality, they’re playing fast and loose with the truth, and certainly are not acting in an even-handed manner in search of any sort of objective truth.
As for the Paul campaign not justifying the ‘writer’s’ mental short-hand with a response? Well, they got the response that such a request from these quarters would warrant - none.
Although I suppose they did accomplish their goal - to bring a few more eyeballs onto what is essentially a piss-poor blog that any 12-year old could duplicate with $3 a month for hosting and a little less critical thinking skills (assuming that the 12-year old in question wasn’t mentally slow - in which case no further impairment may be necessary).
These ‘journalists’ have my email address, and I invite them to contact me should they so choose. I challenge them to a running debate on the polity of their tactics in this ‘article’. This is clearly the short-bus version of a hit piece, and I can give them a few pointers on how to properly effect what they were aiming for.
The merits (or lack thereof) of Ron Paul aside, this is an adolescent attempt to deride an opponent on fallacious and irrelevant grounds. It doesn’t require a degree in journalism from a top flight university to make that observation.
This smear attempt is the intellectual equivalent of me asking “So, Mr. Matt Bramanti, distinguished managing editor of this fine publication…. When did you stop molesting young children?”…..
My advice? Get a dictionary and see what ‘objective’ means. Learn to at least pretend to make arguments on the merits - and some day, Matt, when you’re a big boy - you might be able to make the jump to being a journalist. In the mean time….. take some classes.
Earth, Air, Fire, Water
Vote for Ron Paul, he may be inept, but at least he has a copy of the Constitution in his pocket!
I been banned…. LOL
To Jimb - #277
What is not constructive is using classical tactics to avoid even-handed debate or analysis while parading as a journalist.
The writers are clearly trying give the impression that they’ve uncovered something exculpatory and of gravity. In reality, they’re playing fast and loose with the truth, and certainly are not acting in an even-handed manner in search of any sort of objective truth.
As for the Paul campaign not justifying the ‘writer’s’ mental short-hand with a response? Well, they got the response that such a request from these quarters would warrant - none.
Although I suppose they did accomplish their goal - to bring a few more eyeballs onto what is essentially a piss-poor blog that any 12-year old could duplicate with $3 a month for hosting and a little less critical thinking skills (assuming that the 12-year old in question wasn’t mentally slow - in which case no further impairment may be necessary).
These ‘journalists’ have my email address, and I invite them to contact me should they so choose. I challenge them to a running debate on the polity of their tactics in this ‘article’. This is clearly the short-bus version of a hit piece, and I can give them a few pointers on how to properly effect what they were aiming for.
The merits (or lack thereof) of Ron Paul aside, this is an adolescent attempt to deride an opponent on fallacious and irrelevant grounds. It doesn’t require a degree in journalism from a top flight university to make that observation.
This smear attempt is the intellectual equivalent of me asking “So, Mr. Matt Bramanti, distinguished managing editor of this fine publication…. When did you stop molesting young children?”…..
My advice? Get a dictionary and see what ‘objective’ means. Learn to at least pretend to make arguments on the merits - and some day, Matt, when you’re a big boy - you might be able to make the jump to being a journalist. In the mean time….. take some classes.
Jimb
What is not constructive is using classical tactics to avoid even-handed debate or analysis while parading as a journalist.
The writers are clearly trying give the impression that they’ve uncovered something exculpatory and of gravity. In reality, they’re playing fast and loose with the truth, and certainly are not acting in an even-handed manner in search of any sort of objective truth.
#294 Oh No! We’re suppressin’ your message! Wait. I see you!
As for the Paul campaign not justifying the ‘writer’s’ mental short-hand with a response? Well, they got the response that such a request from these quarters would warrant - none.
Although I suppose they did accomplish their goal - to bring a few more eyeballs onto what is essentially a piss-poor blog that any 12-year old could duplicate with $3 a month for hosting and a little less critical thinking skills (assuming that the 12-year old in question wasn’t mentally slow - in which case no further impairment may be necessary).
These ‘journalists’ have my email address, and I invite them to contact me should they so choose. I challenge them to a running debate on the polity of their tactics in this ‘article’. This is clearly the short-bus version of a hit piece, and I can give them a few pointers on how to properly effect what they were aiming for.
The merits (or lack thereof) of Ron Paul aside, this is an adolescent attempt to deride an opponent on fallacious and irrelevant grounds. It doesn’t require a degree in journalism from a top flight university to make that observation.
This smear attempt is the intellectual equivalent of me asking “So, Mr. Matt Bramanti, distinguished managing editor of this fine publication…. When did you stop molesting young children?”…..
My advice? Get a dictionary and see what ‘objective’ means. Learn to at least pretend to make arguments on the merits - and some day, Matt, when you’re a big boy - you might be able to make the jump to being a journalist. In the mean time….. take some classes.
As for the Paul campaign not justifying the ‘writer’s’ mental short-hand with a response? Well, they got the response that such a request from these quarters would warrant - none.
Although I suppose they did accomplish their goal - to bring a few more eyeballs onto what is essentially a piss-poor blog that any 12-year old could duplicate with $3 a month for hosting and a little less critical thinking skills (assuming that the 12-year old in question wasn’t mentally slow - in which case no further impairment may be necessary).
These ‘journalists’ have my email address, and I invite them to contact me should they so choose. I challenge them to a running debate on the polity of their tactics in this ‘article’. This is clearly the short-bus version of a hit piece, and I can give them a few pointers on how to properly effect what they were aiming for.
As for the Paul campaign not justifying the ‘writer’s’ mental short-hand with a response? Well, they got the response that such a request from these quarters would warrant - none.
Although I suppose they did accomplish their goal - to bring a few more eyeballs onto what is essentially a piss-poor blog that any 12-year old could duplicate with $3 a month for hosting and a little less critical thinking skills (assuming that the 12-year old in question wasn’t mentally slow - in which case no further impairment may be necessary).
As for the Paul campaign not justifying the ‘writer’s’ mental short-hand with a response? Well, they got the response that such a request from these quarters would warrant - none.
mty - since you seem to think you have higher journalistic integrity can you please point out the falsehoods in this story?
These ‘journalists’ have my email address, and I invite them to contact me should they so choose. I challenge them to a running debate on the polity of their tactics in this ‘article’. This is clearly the short-bus version of a hit piece, and I can give them a few pointers on how to properly effect what they were aiming for.
The merits (or lack thereof) of Ron Paul aside, this is an adolescent attempt to deride an opponent on fallacious and irrelevant grounds. It doesn’t require a degree in journalism from a top flight university to make that observation.
This smear attempt is the intellectual equivalent of me asking “So, Mr. Matt Bramanti, distinguished managing editor of this fine publication…. When did you stop molesting young children?”…..
My advice? Get a dictionary and see what ‘objective’ means. Learn to at least pretend to make arguments on the merits - and some day, Matt, when you’re a big boy - you might be able to make the jump to being a journalist. In the mean time….. take some classes.
Rhymeswithright,
Where in my post did I imply you didn’t have the right to criticize who Ron Paul takes money from? As far as Ron Paul’s unsavory associations… don’t make me laugh, do you have proof that Ron Paul and Don Black have met? Talked on the Phone? Anything but a one way check to Paul’s HQ? Do you have any sort of proof that those funds were profits from some sort of illegal trade? Are you suggesting that maybe Don Black is running some sort of modern day slave trade and that those profits would directly tie Ron Paul to such illegal activity?
Do you have some sort of note that Don Black mailed with his check explaining exactly why he was supporting Ron Paul? I think not. For all you know Don Black could be a supporter of the Constitution, and regardless of his other beliefs, maybe his donation had everything to do with supporting the Constitution. So let’s just say that Don Blacks $500 donation was made 100% because he supports the Constitution, why should Ron Paul refuse his money? Because Don Black has other beliefs too?
Here is where your position has no standing, you are transposing a belief structure on an individual donation, neither you or I “know” why Don Black made the donation, so you are criminalizing the suspected thought behind the donation even though that is unknowable, although you clearly believe it was to promote a racial agenda.
I disagree. The fact that a lot of white supremacists are very Pro-Constitution shouldn’t disqualify their contributions, as it is obviously the Pro-Constitution stance that drives their donations and not Ron Paul’s racial agenda, but what you’re saying is that because these people also hold other beliefs they should not be allowed to donate or participate or in any way be able to support another person willing to defend the Constitution. Personally I find your position that there are people who should or shouldn’t be allowed to support the Constitution based on other beliefs to be more disturbing than Ron Paul’s handful of “WP” supporters.
Ron Paul has already spoken out on Racism, to insist that he do so each and every time a “WP” supporter is identified is ludicrous. Whatever other beliefs a supporter might hold is irrelevant, they have every right to support Ron Paul, as it is Ron Paul’s views and agendas they are supporting, not the other way around. As such Ron Paul is under no obligation to defend their beliefs, only his own.
Debate them right here, mty.
#303
Guilt by association is a classical tactic for a person losing a debate.
Here’s the first definitional link that google brings up:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/guilt-by-association.html
After perusing that, my dear Hamous, can you tell the class what’s wrong with the article?
Hamous -
I will gladly debate them, but in a moderated, tit-for-tat, formal format.
Repeated posts in a string, with various running commentary won’t do. A closed thread where both sides respect classical debate terms - glad to.
mty, I don’t need a lesson. Just point me to any falsehoods in the article.
Red Herring
I would actually rather support a candidate that actually made some progress in accomplishing the aims of smaller Federal government, less taxes, states rights, strong national defense, etc.
Why would I want to settle for a candidate that is all rhetoric and has accomplished nothing? I can’t put my hope in that!
Besides, all you folks who “put your hope” in Ron Paul are going to be disappointed. He’s just a man.
And even if he gets elected, you’ll see an unprecedented level of cooperation between the Dems and Reps in Congress to override his numerous vetoes.
You see, vetoing everything isn’t the answer.
oops. Forgot to close my dang italic tag.
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maybe mty can school you, jimb.
No one said “quit by association”. It’s just that if you run for POTUS and accept donations from a questional group, at LEAST S’plain why or give it back.
I’ll assume Maestro is still looking for inaccuracies in the article…
I AM a racist bigot and delighted to be a proud contributor to this fine website. Go Ron Paul!
Huh? What? Who? This ISN”T Stormfront? Oh, man. I logged into the wrong site. Oops, never mind.
Too bad. I thought we’d really hit 500 comments here today…
mty
Uh, let me see, you are a graduate of a school of journalism and presumably work in the newspaper industry. Why is it, son, that you cannot use the term “exculpatory” properly ? The word you are looking for means exactly the opposite. Is it the inferior nature of your education ? Do you have a reading disability that was not detected throughout your extensive experience in the American public school system ?
oh the terrahhhhh the terrrahhhhh !!!! omg, what if someone who is not a cfr degenerate actually makes a few percentage point gains, stark raving terrrahhhhh reigns from the establishment….
GO RON GO, make the degenerate pro-growth, pro-overdevelopment, pro-abortion, pro illegals, pro world bank, pro globalists cabal, writhe in pain, they SUCK, you ROCK RON !!!
Betcha we’ll make 500 posts soon as Paul supporters get relieved of duty off the fry-o-laters when the Burger kings close for the night.
*snicker snicker* #321
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Jimb,
And who have you voted for since FDR that has actually shrunk the government?
Electing a candidate whom HAS submitted 100’s of bills to eliminate Income taxes, eliminate S.S., eliminate numerous govenment departments, supported retaliation on terrorist…will send a signal FROM THE PEOPLE to the House, and those politician whom wanna keep their jobs will get it. Those that don’t get it are replaceable…Status Quo is to elect those that tell you what you want to hear and have an obvious record to the contrary. Ron Paul may have accomplished nothing (I’d say little) but his record is near untouchable in the area of TRYING to eliminate Big Government. You ARE right. It can’t be done by Ron Paul alone. Hence the slogan “Revolution”. It is WE THE PEOPLE whom must change our government. If we keep electing the one who’m will “Git er done” and then sit on the sideline watching our government grow like its some kind of spectator sport…
I stand for putting the Constitution into the Oval Office and a follow up installation in the House and Senate.
And I HAVE read the Constitution, as well as far to much of the Founder’s writings concerning such. It is very clear that our government has turned 180 degrees from the Law of the Land and has succeeded in leading the masses into believing that such is not true.
#321 FourAlarm
You just might have a valid point about those Paulisteins who are gainfully employed. The rest have likely turned in for the night - after all, it is a school night!
#320 - Impressive. It took 320 comments before somebody mentioned the CFR. I would have thought that would have come up much sooner than that.
#326 I was thinking the same thing! Heck, they got in zionists and Jews toot sweet.
324 - Honestly? I don’t really think that anybody has tried much since FDR to shrink the Federal government.
But before you say NIGYSOB, let me tell you this - Paul won’t succeed in his mission, either. He’s too ineffective.
Show me one substantive bill he’s gotten passed.
Even one.
# 327.
Jews aren’t the problem.
It’s the Baptists such as David Rockefeller who are paving the road to hell….
;P
#320 parkbenn
You forgot the:
Bilderbergers
Illuminati
Freemasons
Knights Templar
Sasquatch
Federal Reserve
Area 51 (which is now actually Area 52)
Galileo
Halliburton
Lee Harvey Oswald
Da Vinci’s Last Supper
The Mormon Church
Dick Cheney
The Holocaust
Why You Can’t Find Tex-Mex Food In NYC
#329 Like my Grandaddy always tode me, Methodists are just Baptists who can read.
EXCUSE ME, but, did ya mention what RP has contributed to our society, since being elected?
Can ya please spell it out to me? Afterall, I’m just a Redneck…
MMMMM! Gulf shrimp! Beats that sewage Asian, fresh water, farm raised, shrimp any day! And dat’s du truuuf!/there is not a sarc tag to this comment, ’cause I like gulf shrimp
Did RP vote for this, before he voted against it?
Ear marks????? Where is that in the Constitution?/slinking outta room
What about:
Bohemian Grove
Perpetual Hidden Government
Opus Dei
David Rockefeller ain’t paving the road to Hell. He’s operating the grader paving the Katy Freeway expansion project. Done seen him while I was stopped in traffic.
#331 hamoose
If only the Rockefellers could have learned to read; think how it would have changed history.
Tim Osman
Charles E. Linwood
SPP
KBR
Prescott Bush
Reptilian shape-shifting aliens
#318 jimb, I predicted 500 and that was before I found out about Little Green Footballs link. Me may still make it. Hey the golden arches are still open.
#333 ham
Mea culpa, how could I forget the warriors of Opus Dei ?
HMMMM didn’t stormfront contribute to George Bush in 2004…. I wonder what ol’ G.W. did with that money. Reckon he gave it back……?? Donated it maybe…?? He probably spent it getting boozed up and doing a bunch of cocaine. That’s probably the only way he can live with himself.
Newsflash: G.W. Bush accepts Stormfront money in race against John (I was on the boat) Kerry in 2004. You heard it here last.
This is so totally a non-issue it’s not even funny. Amazing what these yo-yo’s will drag up when someone with integrity is finally running for office.
Hell, Hillary just runs around claiming she doesn’t know the guy that broke the law for her. Google “Peter Paul” if you don’t know what I’m talking about.
Jimb,
As I stated in the post you replied to, Ron Paul will be as WE THE PEOPLE make him. Just as I stated, he can’t do it alone. We, the people, are the ones whom hold the power in this country. But if we put that power on a shelf between elections we WILL get run over. Congressmen and Senators have a field day in that those with money seem to be the majority voice between elections.
Oh in case you didn’t know it, SPL is on the BIG list of ‘hate’ groups.
The person who runs the group has quite a dossier.
Hey jiimjoeybillybobubba, no one cares OK?
Who is SPL ?
340 - newsflash: GWB isn’t running for president.
Besides, the only thing established about Stormfront and GWB to date is that some redneck yokels posted something like this about GWB:
Sorry, there’s no “there” there. No links posting back to GWB’s donation page on Stormfront’s web site, no documented donations from their head guy, nothing.
Burger Kings are closing.
#343 - I could say the same to you…
How high is the water PaPa? 344 feet and risin’
#345 - oh, no offense to rednecks…
All,
I’ve been reading with amusement. Here’s what I see
The only thing that anybody has ever asked Ron Paul for was a statement which would reject the politics and philosophies of white supremacists. Frankly, if I were a supporter of Ron Paul I would want the same thing.
Nobody has suggested that the good Dr. be coerced, or in any way forced to make any statement, return any money, or do anything against his will. The only entity that could accomplish such a thing would be a government agency and I haven’t seen anything to indicate that anyone here wants that.
And yet, in the face of what would appear to be a fairly reasonable request, there has been an almost manical response from many of you who have mischaracterized the initial proposal, developed arguments which have no connection to the original request, slandered the editors of LST, and in general made asses of yourselves.
I don’t understand why you should object so vociferously to such a reasonable request. Either you just don’t understand the request itself, or you actually don’t want him to make such statement. Surely it’s not that you think he’s so perfect that he’s beyond criticism.
At any rate, it’s fun to watch. I wish I was teaching logic or debate, there’s enough material here for a couple of textbook of bad examples.
#349 jimb, No offense taken. ;=)
That would seem to be the case, no?
#345 - Thanks Jimb. I’m getting tired of typing out that response over and over to these Chuckleheads.
Jim Jones?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
#347
LOL. Why didn’t you just say “nanny-nanny-boo-boo”?
Or
“I’m rubber, you’re glue, whatever you say bounces of me and sticks to you!”
Excellent summation, Mr. Albert.
#355 - Nobody cares. Don’t you have “another bar” to tend??
Citizens A-ray-est! Citizens A-ray-est!
#355 Biscuit
That may work in the “back alley” places you frequent, but we are actual adults here.
I am always amazed at some of the shakey people that come here thinking they can pull the wool over everyones eyes.
#359
Oh yeah, you certainly act like adults.
Keep fooling yourself. It’ll help you get thru tomorrow.
But if it makes them feel better about themselves who am I to argue.
My head feels all unstable. Wonder why that is?
I think it is called LDS™…
Dunno Jimb. I smelled a rat about noon today. Reckon that could be it?
Are you sure you don’t mean “shady”?
No, he means Shakey…
No. I say precisely what I mean.
How long’s the Dr. been in surgery with the patient now? Methinks he’s still operating on a patient that expired some time ago. Time to give it up, Dr. Mengele.
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
I am Bihasqua
so?
I am Ironman!
No, I am Sam I am.
I am Lord Voldemort AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle
Well, we stirred up quite a Fuhrer today.
/stole that from lgf
373 - I almost put that. Too funny!
#365 Squawk
You smelled a rat long before noon today as did I. Don’t short yourself.
Snort, Grunt, Snort, Grunt
Ron Paul and the Untouchables. You must have been jumping up and down, hitting your head on the wall.
Thanks for the publicity, next time stay calm when you think you got a scoop. You’re the one that looks “like a baby”, to be nice, with you nazi style title.
Heh:
Paulestinian Storm-Troofers?
/also courtesy of LGF…
THANK YOU #350 that is PRECISELY what I was saying only you said it much gooder than me.
Yo TxRedneck…………..in case no one told you…….there are ONLY 535 members of congress….if you insist there’s 635 then YOU gotta pay the extra 100 thieves ok?
Katfish,
Except Ron Paul there are 534 members in the House, 100 members in Senate, and a Chief Exec.
635 total thieves
Time for a civics lesson:
The total number of representatives is currently fixed at 435 by Public Law 62-5 of 1911, though Congress has the authority to change that number.
Katfish,
………..in case no one told you……
Um, Tex? Try again…
Uh, what country do you live in, TxRedneck?
The 107th Congress has 62 women serving in the U.S. House of Representatives and 13 in the U.S. Senate. The House has a total of 435 members, four delegates, and one resident commissioner.
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20011030.html
( I didnt get straight A’s in Civics fer NUTTIN…….)
#384
Sorry, TxR, there are 435 members of the House and 100 members of the Senate. The total is 535 for voting members of the legislative branch, unless you count the Vice-President as a voting member of the Senate.
Yeah, Whiskerfish, but who does the 4 delegates and one resident commissioner represent?
Quick, no Google!
OK, guys. It has been a hoot. Time for this dude to go to bed…
#391
They bring the beer, crawfish and pecan pie.
#391 - hey it was a LONG time ago I logged those straight A’s!!
off the top o mah pea pikkin head I’d say American Samoa, Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico
did I win?
#391
Actually, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam & ???
help.
CRAP I fergot Barryville……er…..uh…..DC
Well keep it up we may hit 500 yet!!!
I can’t say - I already cheated when I supplied the link to Tex…
400
But between the two of you, y’all got it…
Dang
That Ha(mous). Always lurking for the cool numbers…
Teamwork baby!
All yall PaulRambos (or is it PaulRambettes?)
sleep tight!
katfish,
My apologies, during this campaign I’ve confused myself froming hearing 535 so many times…I’m corrected.
Buenos Noches !
pecancrawfishbeerpie? EEEYEWWWW
MTY, are you happy now that you’ve posted your little screed in septuplicate?
Yes I wondered if superior minds always post in multiples? Being my small little brain I just didn’t know….
Happy as a clam, Matt.
You need to do a little work on the serving speed. Posts longer than about 100 characters lag several minutes…..
Are you itching for a tete a tete?
Do you care to answer my question? Exactly when did you stop molesting children? Have you stopped?
It’s tête-à-tête, Mr. Journalist.
Congratulations to all LST staff for stepping up to the plate and exemplifying active commitment to the 2008 election.
Thank you for illustrating the process works when we actively participate.
I bow to your mastery of a text editor, you backwater blog hero….
I’m really confused…when did you decide Matt molested kids?? And what has that got to do with Ron Paul?
Never mind, I’m tired and going to bed.
I fail to see what the big deal is. Money is money and the best way to spend Don Black’s money is to put it towards Ron Paul’s campaign. It would be a waste of time and energy to try and track where the money is coming from. Frankly, I wouldn’t care if Hitler himself donated to his campaign, no more than I would care if Hitler donated to “Habitat for Humanity”. They are both worthy causes and deserve all the money they can get.
If the LST is concerned about any association of the GOP with White racists(The Dems love racists of other hues), then maybe you could inform us as to where the votes are going to come from for the GOP next year.
I was around when the big shift came in the South, pursuant to Nixon’s “Southern Strategy,” the brainchild of Lee Atwater. The “Solid South” remained solid, but now for the GOP. The same people who voted for Kirk Fordice in Mississippi and Mike Foster in Louisiana keep those states in the GOP column in every Presidential election. Elections in the South are sharply divided along racial lines, 95%+ of the black vote going Democratic, and at least 3/4 of the White vote going to the GOP. In his race for governor, David Duke got 2/3 of the COUNTED White votes.
Is it the position of LST that the GOP should return ALL the money received from people the LST considers to be racists? Should it not also ask all the “Racists” who supported Fordice, Foster and Duke to NOT vote for their candidate?
You are in Texas, where the mestizo Professor Gutierrez openly advocates KILLING the Gringo if necessary to reclaim Aztlan, and you are concerned about Paul getting money from someone who is a White racist. Bet real!
The fact is that a majority of White Americans have voted the “Racist” ticket every time they have been given a chance to cast a vote that counted. Every ballot measure to stop the mestizo invasion has been overwhelmingly supported by Whites, in every state where it has been on the ballot.
George Wallace carried 5 Southern states in the ‘68 Presidential election, then, in ‘72, took his openly racial message to such Yankee strongholds ans Wisconsin and Michigan and WON the DEMOCRAT primaries there. He was in the process of repeating that success in Maryland when he was shot.
In a country where political incorrectness is financially ruinous and professionally fatal, not many will openly support White interests. But, when ordinary White people go into a voting booth, where there is a REAL choice, they vote their race.
And the Republican party exists as a viable national party for the simple reason that a large majority of White voters grit their teeth and vote for them, simply because the Democrats are so openly anti-White.
The whole US is under Nazi (i.e. AshkeNazi) right-wing racist supremacist control, but most don’t realise it because the MSM (main stream media including Hollywood) are also under the same regime. The Repubs are under the thumb of Neocon war-making Israel-firsters and the Democks are under the foot of liberal-racist Israel-firsters.
My Gawd. This article has taken on gimantic preportions. Can we get any Blackhawk Donors
I’ll translate Jason’s rant for y’all:
“JOOOOOZE! It’s the JOOOOOZE!”
Hey Jason, who are you voting for? Wait, let me guess…
#417 - pssssssst…..inquiring minds want to know WHO you’ll vote for - you’re a wee bit late to vote for Josef Mengle - he’s long since DEAD
come to think of it - even dead Mengle might be voting himself! (if he’s registered in Cook county Illinois……….)
We are all Israel-firsters under Nazi control. Got it. Just tryin’ to keep up.
Ummm… Jason… Nazis were extreme left wing sociopaths. Nazi is short for “National Socialist Democratic Workers Party”.
Yea… Don’t YOU feel stupid, Jason.
#416 General Jackson
Lee Atwater was 17 years old when Richard Nixon won the presidential election of 1968. It would be quite a revelation to find he was the mastermind of that electoral victory while a senior in high school.
The “Southern Strategy” and other political realities had been around for a long time even in those days. There were many dimensions to the demographic changes in voting patterns in the South after World War II. Race was but one of them. However, if one views the narrative of history through the narrow prism of racial conflict, it looks surprisingly the same from all perspectives. With a few minor changes, your version of events could have been written by Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson or George Wallace.
I know things have been tough down there on the plantation, what with the colored folks leavin’ and becoming Supreme Court justices and Secretaries of State. But you can hire some of those mestizos to chop your cotton; they work seven days a week for cash money.
Jason isn’t even an American. The use of “realise” is a giveaway. He’s probably some toothless little anarchist from England.
You mean to tell me this post has gone on all night? From what I have read, 1. The Paul supporters think he has done nothing wrong. 2. The paul supporters want him to take money from anyone. Wonder how much Soros has contributed to his campaign just to keep him going?
I’m always amazed at the logic of folks like Stonewall. “Well, the other side has racists so its okay for us to be racist!”
And I’m still waiting for the Cuyahoga Correspondent to list the inaccuracies he’s found in this post. Tick tock tick tock, mty.
ha ha texpat, of course YOU are wrong….your list is idiotic - however - i am a TINY bit impressed that you got 2 things right on it, namely, dickie chaney and the mormon church, after all, people who support an independent candidate are WAAAAY more whacko than a multi million dollar group who followed a convicted felon out west, and now think they will all have their own ‘planets’ - oh yeah…the independents are sure the crazy ones…( by the way i was NOT referring to dickie chaney in this post ( we can discuss his ‘no-contract’ bids, anti-trust monopolies, and various other financial dirty deeds in another post
TexPat - go easy on the misinformed folks……….they know NOT what they speak (we’ll givvem a C fer consistency)
I thought that we would make 500 overhight, but we have until 4:59 P.M. to get a full 24 hours. That should be easy as long as Google is on line.
#428 parkbenn
“…your list is idiotic”
That was the entire point. I’m glad it didn’t sail right over your head.
P.S. I didn’t know Dick Cheney was a Mormon. My, my, the things you can learn on the internet.
Dick Cheney is not a Mormon, he’s a Moron.
Did anyone see where he fell asleep during the meetings on the California wildfires? Dude needs some caffeine or something, but probably can’t with his heart condition. No, wait, he doesn’t have a heart, does he?
How has this gone from Ron Paul has taken money from a leading white supremecy group and has his campaign pic on their web site, to Dick Chenney doesn’t have a heart. An amazing thing happened. George Bush and Dick Chenney were elected. Ron Paul won’t be.
You know guys, that ron paul is not worth all the attention you are giving him here today. Plus he has a snowballs chance at winning. ron paul is irrelevent, and he is Not a republican. He is just an idiot trying to make himself matter!
sorry tp, i should have clarified for you, you list is idiotic and not really clever, and not nearly as clever and funny ( why do the pseudo-intellectuals have such a hard time with humor? )…
anyway, to the other dimwit, i did not say chaney was a mormon ( thank you b s 65, you post is PERFECT LOL ), i have no idea if dickie is a mormon, i do know he is an elite globalist crook, but hey, he has WAY more integrity than ron paul - right?
i repeat…’the terrahhh THE TERRAHH of a non establishment candidate….here’s hoping ron paul siphons off enough votes to torpedo the globalist big business country club republican types….do i want ron paul to help hellary win? ABSOLUTELY NOT. do i want to see the country club wing of the republican party routed, defeated, and embarrassed, so the real conservatives can have their party back? ABSOLUTELY.
#433 AW
It is an ongoing problem here with all these wannabe comedians. They keep trying out their lame material on us, and we laugh, but not for the reasons they think.
Don’t quit your dayjob there, Ben.
Geez,
434 posts!
I guess all the outpatients in their vermin infested trailers sat up in their underwear all night defending their exalted Ron Popeil. Not one decent defense of him either, just screechy KosKid like name calling. Not one good explanation of why he should not give the money back and distance himself.
Parkbenn - Don’t be fooling yourself. You’re not a conservative. You’re a scared little boy who’s afraid his world is being taken over by mud people and JOOOOZE! Oh, and Halliburton.
Taking a Nap - It does serve a small purpose. There may be some sane folks who like some things in Paul’s message. Hey, there are many things I agree with him on. But witnessing the bizarre rantings of his followers here should be all they need to know. If these are the people he attracts and openly accepts money from he doesn’t deserve to get one vote from a real American.
hamous
I’ll meet you for drinks in club bar after Thurston Howell III and I finish our round of golf. Buffy and Felicia, the darlings, should be finished with their little tennis match by then. Ta Ta !
My, my, Ron Paul does generate a lot of emotion.
Not a bad thing….
Ellsworth Toohey
Finally, a sane Paulite! Where have you been little mike?
#438 Standing to applaud Hamous, and that my friends is the summation.
#441
Standing back and watching…
Wow, what a newsworthy item. *rolls eyes*
So what if Ron Paul is receiving donations from white nationalists. Is there a law that says we aren’t allowed to participate in the political process? Last I checked, no there wasn’t. I’m sure the Black Panthers are donating loads of money to Barack Obama, but no one who criticises Paul for receiving donations from racists would dare suggest that Obama might also be receiving such donations. Oh wait, that’s right- you probably support Obama yourselves so you don’t want to discredit him in anyway. Or maybe you don’t want to be labeled racist.
It’s hard to argue with Ron Paul’s message, which is why people like the author of this “article” has to argue on the margins and discredit Paul by flinging around politically charged words like “racist” and “white supremacist” and “neo-nazi”. But the vast majority of people who support Ron Paul or would support him if they heard about him aren’t usually the kind of people who will be swayed by such an illogical and emotional appeal. The only people who will be affected by such “arguments” are people who typically vote for Democrats anyway.
Ron Paul is right and white nationalists realising that and throwing their support behind him doesn’t make him wrong. We tend to support freedom more than most mainstream people do, but don’t count on the media to let you in on that secret. It would undermine their efforts to bring you “shocking” news.
Off Topic:
Sooooo….
What was the big surprise yesterday?
I missed the radio show and there’s no mention on here that I can see.
And on a side note, what is the purpose of publishing Mr. Black’s home address? This is hat certain groups who are predisposed to violence do when they want members of their group to commit an attack on someone. Is this LST’s way of advocating that someone track down Mr. Black and cause harm to him, his family, or his property? I guess I wouldn’t be wholly surprised to find out that is, in fact, their intention…
mike
This…..
little mike
You are only one of about three people that ever give a good defense of RP without going from zero to crazy in about 1 second. You are to be commended, my man!
Look at the rest of them….
It’s like a hillbilly family reunion after the jug gets passed around.
NEWSFLASH!!! Ron Paul will lose by a landslide.
Mostly because his voters won’t be able to figure out how to use the electronic voting booth, or won’t be able to get up before the polls close.
# 449 Faster
I don’t fool myself about Paul’s chances of getting the nomination, much less being elected, but I feel certain principles he espouses should be brought out - mainly principles that Ronald Reagan held as well.
It would be interesting, I think, to take a look at the FEC donor records of other recent Libertarian presidential candidates like Michael Badnarik to see if they too received money from Don Black or others of his ilk. The response of “RP shouldn’t give it back because Don Black is free to donate to whomever he wants” is a very predictable Libertarian response. They pride themselves on not playing by the “establishment’s rules” on this sort of thing, and they wear our disdain as a badge of honor - it feeds right into their martyrdom complex.
Anyway, this just makes me wonder if Libertarian candidates (because after all, that’s what RP and his supporters are) have a history of taking white supremecist money, and it’s only coming to light now because RP has chosen to run as a Republican, bringing himself and his supporters out of the Libertarian echo chamber.
They won’t USE electronic voting booths because Diebold is just a front for … you guessed it, Halliburton.
I didn’t see this last night, but Allahpundit gave us a link at Hot Air.
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/25/did-americas-greatest-patriot-get-a-500-donation-from-stormfronts-founder/
#447 VrilYa - did you miss this part?
Everything else is open records.
After all is said and done, will this have made a difference? I say no.
What a waste of good blogging time.
Pat;
Was just about to send the congrats aboutn that one.
I seem to remember some wobbly people saying that LST ad been de-linked by some of the bigger national blogs.
I don’t doubt that this will be in the MSM before too long.
Maybe Ron Paul’s moral character—and that of his supporters—is more of a “timing” thing than it is a “moral compass” thing.
Exit question (repeated from above):
What are all these guys going to say when their Savior returns that donation, or gives it to a Jewish Charity, combined with a strong statement disavowing Racists?
Anyone who gives a political donation exceeding $200 to a candidate for federal office must provide basic personal information which then becomes public record. LST did not reveal anything that is not available to everyone else.
Everh hear of Prescott Bush? He was GW’s great grandpa who was instrumental in funding the Nazi war machine that killed a plethora of Jews. The pattern continues today with the killings of thousands of Iraqis in order to enlarge the pocketbooks of the corporate elite with guaranteed war money to the tune of trillions of dollars in the pockets of the corporate elite. Shall we require Romney, Gouhliani, Thompson, Hillary, Obama to retract all such donations? Most of the corporate elites are sponsoring BOTH democrat and republican candidates so that when either is elected, they have them in their pocketbooks.
#457
I don’t know, Sarge.
Hey, yesterday was St.Crispin’s Day and we both missed it.
Ben at the still 65
“What a waste of good blogging time.”
You’re here…
Where’s Fasternu when we need him ?
It is obviously time for some whup, whup, whup video.
The big news is that some racist nut donated to Ron Paul?
That’s IT??
So Matt’s wife is NOT having a baby?
Oh No, not Pinky Prescott Bushitler that started the Blackwater/Starbucks/Halliburton Triumverate…
Also known as the BSHT
Voilla……… One black helicopter comin up:
whup….whup….whup…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSlutmu-xiI
The fact that folks across the spectrum are voting for Ron Paul (including racists, liberal democrats, conservative republicans, etc., the list goes on and on) demonstrates that Paul is the most level-headed and fair candidate in the field. He doesn’t pander or cater to any special interest group and that is why people from all groups like and respect him. The fact that all other candidates cannot appeal to such a broad spectrum shows they appeal to special interest and are biased and cannot be trusted.
463
“So Matt’s wife is NOT having a baby?”
Yeah, but its not hers…
“Paul is the most level-headed ”
So, the Copenhagen juice runs out of both corners of his mouth?
Is Prescott Bush running for President now? Musta missed that one.
#464
Perfect !
#463
No, but they’re practicing alot.
#461 Fister
Yup.
The fact that all other candidates cannot appeal to such a broad spectrum shows that people in sanitariums have internet access.
#467 Faster
Damn, I have coffee all over my desk now !
faster - Or this is him.
468 “Is Prescott Bush running for President now? ”
hammy
He’s running Blackwater.
Fasternu is loose just like the juice
When a valid point is made you can do nothing but further pollute this blog with your idiocy? Try to stay on topic please.
Left Handed Albino Midget Lesbians to Free Tibet and against the North American Onion For Ron Popeil.
Try to stay on topic please.
no
“When a valid point is made”
Ok, make one…
waiting……
I have a serious question (with a silly supposition): I don’t see any Paulestinian women. Why is that? Sure you got the cute little “Ron Paul girl” but women seem to be very underrepresented. We have lots of fine ladies here at LST but other than the one plagiarist who shows up sometimes I don’t recall any RP women. Do you suppose its for the same reason that its usually nerdy guys who spend days in their parents’ basements playing Dungeons & Dragons?
hammy
Yeah, hot chicks dig D&D….
The Troll Wizard casts a spell of nothingness.
Your roll.
Fasternu…are you schizo? Do you want to respond to my points or not. If so, then quote one and make a serious comment and I’ll return the favor. Or, give me your email and we’ll take this off line. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands and I wouldn’t mind engaging you in conversation if you’ll be sober about it.
“Fasternu…are you schizo? ”
I prefer “bipolar with anti social behavior traits” like I was diagnosed originally.
“Or, give me your email and we’ll take this off line”
Are you coming on to me? While flattered and admittedly somewhat curious, I’ll have to pass.
brett - I’ll respond before I head out. He is siphoning off the fringe groups from all across America. That doesn’t translate into a groundswell of support. Check any poll (that can’t be spammed) and you’ll find he rarely rises above 1%, except in New Hampshire where he makes it to 2% occasionally. So don’t be confusing a “broad spectrum” of support for a large number votes. But he’s got the loony vote in the bag, no doubt.
482
I will never vote for or support RP. Mainly based on the support his supporters.
I agree with a lot of his conservative ideas, but he does not belong at the helm of this great nation. I ain’t crazy about any of the candidates. I may just write in Ted Nugent in the primaries and vote seriously for the rest of the ballot. Come the face off between the Republican and Democrat tickets. I’ll vote Repub
So why the obsession?
“So why the obsession?”
It’s kinda like going to the freak show. You know its wrong, but you gotta look anyway….
http://www.bl.uk/learning/images/bodies/illustrations/freak-st.jpg
Not really an obsession, Ben. If the lunacy of his followers was not exposed for all to see he might actually get up to 4%. That would give him a hint of legitimacy and could encourage him and other wingnuts to press on. Most of his followers are unwittingly doing all the work needed to kill his campaign. They are in complete denial. We just have to sit back and watch them sink the ship.
Dance band on the Titanic
Sing “Nearer, my God, to Thee”
The iceberg’s on the starboard bow
Won’t you dance with me
Press on to 500, boys! I’m out.
Women supporting RP are Code Pinke and their pseudonyms are unisex or gender neutral.
So Ron Paul’s followers are mainly freaks and lunatics?
And you expect his campaign to play nice with you?
“So Ron Paul’s followers are mainly freaks and lunatics?”
You’re starting to come around…
#438 - Game - Set - MATCH!
^5 Hammy!
#445 & #447 - please post your hat size (unless the cranial self inflation is continuous of course)
We’ll get you a fitted foil hat shipped out today!
#552 - hey your idea / your JOB!
Get right on that - we’ll save your seat…………
OOOPS - #452*
hamous…I’ll agree he’s siphoning off the frings groups, but there is also big support among many Republicans and Democrats that are fed up with both parties.
Paul has represented conservative Republican districts in Texas for 10 terms and won elections with the same message. This is proof he is not just siphoning off fringe group votes.
#497 - I present you with a GOLDEN opportunity - please answer in SPECIFIC terms if you can……..
EXCUSE ME, but, did ya mention what RP has contributed to our society, since being elected?
Can ya please spell it out to me? (a numbered list would be wonderful!)
Benstiller65
Corporately speaking no. It is the subgroups that have manifested themselves that detract from the more reasoned among you.
I have an on going dialog with some RP supporters that remain intelligent, respectful and steadfast in their support without engaging in extremes. These are not people that sit at their computer hitting the submit button continuously at online polls. They would rather see a realistic view than some manufactured result.
Morning one and all. I managed to navigate this Marathon thread, aided by two cups of tea, and find myself admiring Fat Albert’s post #350. He captures the essence of things beautifully.
Of note, today is the full moon, the Hunter’s Moon I believe.
It would seem there are plenty of folks stricken with Paul Derangement Syndrome, a variant of Bush Derangement Syndrome, and Rigilian Casaba Fever.
Carry on.
I always knew Ron Paul’s vitriolic attacks on the Federal Reserve and scapegoating of the IRS were nothing more than thinly veiled attacks on Jews. Little did I know one of his biggest supporters runs a verbal diarrhea sewer of cyber slurs called Stormfront.org.
This is sickening – absolutely sickening.
I don’t think I am going to be able to vote this year for fear that my hands may touch the same lever that may have been touched by a Ron Paul supporter. I would strongly encourage other likeminded folks to boycott the upcoming primaries to show our disgust for this.
497 - I think it’s really proof that a lot of people in that district will vote for whomever has an (R) after their name. Would he have won those elections if he had run as a Libertarian?
Wow, I made 500 without even trying for it. Mercy.
RabbiRosencratz:
There are plenty of reasons for folks to vote for Ron Paul other than their hate for Jews. There is in fact a group of Jews that strongly support Ron Paul and have a site dedicated to him. This further amplifies my point in #466 Here is the site: http://www.jews4ronpaul.org/
There is a very good argument that U.S. Support of Israel in the region is actally more harmful than helpful to the Israeli cause.
501 Rabbi
I call ‘em Paulistenians for a reason….
There is in fact a group of Jews that strongly support Ron Paul…
There are also a group of Jews that support Iran. Lunacy knows no bounds…..
Clarification: Paul Derangement Syndrome involves being ultra-passionately For Dr. Paul, in contrast to Bush Derangement Syndrome, which involves being ultra-passionately Against Mr. Bush. Opposite sides of the same coin….
#499 squawkbox
So why keep trying to attract these subgroups to your site?
Fasternu:
You should back up some of your claims with references as I have done. There are a lot of professors on that site…unless you are waiting for blackhelicopters to come get you, you should take a look at the site and inquire if you have questions.
# 501 Rabbi
Oy Vay!
“you are waiting for black helicopters to come get you”
I’m on their side. They are coming for you….
whup whup whup……
What claims have I made?
None… just that based on the posts here and elsewhere that many of his supporters are nuttier than squirrel poop. My opinion.
I will not vote for Ron Popeil. If the choice were Ron Popeil or Hillary, I’d write myself in…. couldn’t consciously vote for either.
He’s a marginal candidate, not the messiah….
Then why the obsession? Don’t you have anything better to do with your life? Why don’t you go volunteer somewhere and give your life some real meaning? I mean, c’mon, what a waste of good intentions.
Fasternu:
I do not plan to comment on your baseless and hopeless remarks after this post since you are unwilling to lend any credibility to things you say like there is a group of Jews that support Iran. What’s with all the “whup.” You don’t seem to have done much research on Ron Paul or his positions and don’t seem willing to confront your ignorance. As long as you are not voting, I’ll be happy that one more vote out of ignorance has not been wasted.
“Then why the obsession?”
I’m not obsesses…. hahaha…
I’m goofing off on the computer while my printer is cranking out transparencies (It takes a while to print a Super A3B transparency). I’m not sitting in my Cheeto-fingerprint stained underwear defending a screwball running for president. What’s up with your obsession?
I think Ron Paul got himself into a bad spot. He runs as a republican and thinks like a libertarian. So technically he cant say anything about them donating.
If he does then he goes against his principles as a libertarian. He feels people have the right to think and feel and say what they want in America.
Someone from that group donating money is just practicing a form of freedom of speech and we know he is big on out freedoms.
How can he return the money and still say he support peoples rights to freedom of speech. Its twisted logic I know, but I think that is probably where he is coming from on this one.
“I do not plan to comment on your baseless and hopeless remarks”
You just did…. hahaha.
I’m not talking to you. Crap, I just did. Crap, I just did again. Crap! Oh no, I’ll just stop talking. Crap!
I love the “I know you are but what am I” Paulbearer arguments.
If I don’t support Ron Popeil, I’m “ignernt”…
Well, so be it. I guess I’ll take my 140 IQ and be “ignernt”….
I’m signing off now. Everyone, please read the posts fully and don’t extract what seemingly gives your argument credibility, leaving off important details like “…after this post,” thus proving your lack of attention to important details (i.e. #513 #516)
Wow whatta coinkydink!
*SPEAKING of LACK of BACKUP*
re: MY #498
Brett we are STILL waiting for a cogent reasoned response…..
#497 - I present you with a GOLDEN opportunity - please answer in SPECIFIC terms if you can……..
EXCUSE ME, but, did ya mention what RP has contributed to our society, since being elected?
Can ya please spell it out to me? (a numbered list would be wonderful!)
BenStiller65
Who said we were “trying to attract” any particular subgroup?
If you have not noticed one of the many purposes of a blog is to present opinion and elicit feedback via the forums. We cannot nor do we wish to control who shows up as long as they are relatively civil in their interaction here.
We have two choices, offer a means for you and others to reply or close the comments. We prefer to offer the “open comments” The nature of open comments invites participation from all “subgroups”.
BTW I see you and other RP folks show up. That is a good thing for all involved.
So we’re getting “white nationalists” showing up now? Wow.
Ok guys and gals you have your homework assignments. You will be tested this afternoon and I do not grade on the curve.
Ron Paul and his followers have annointed him the Great Constitutionalist. He carries a copy of the Constituion in his breast pocket, next to his mighty heart. He loves the Constitution. He defends the Constitution. He follows the Constitution.
Too bad he can’t say the same thing about the Declaration of Independence (or the 14th Amendment for that matter). It says something about “all” men being created equal (and the 14th Amendment requires equal protection for all). Best I can tell, white supremacists/Nazis don’t buy into that. Therefore they don’t buy into the Declaration of Independence, or the Constitution.
If Ron Paul really believed in what the founders did, he would have no problem publicly, promptly and convincingly renouncing the support of these people and returning any money they have generated for his campaign.
Or, donating it to other causes.
Or, for all I care, shredding it into little pieces and spreading it across the Gulf to feed the shrimp.
The point is, the jig is up. Though LST broke the story tracing money from Nazis specifically to his campaign, the support of white supremacists has been bouncing around the internet for months. Paul could, and should, have done long ago what a really honorable man named Reagan did: call a press conference, denounce the group and their views and make it clear he does not want their support. Reagan didn’t wait months, until somebody called him on it. He did it immediately.
That’s what a leader would do. Ron Paul is no leader. He’s had months to be a stand up guy, show some integrity, dispel the notion that he sympathizes with such groups.
And what have we gotten: Silence - which, in itself, speaks volumes.
If it ever belonged, the “Honorable” so often placed in front of Paul’s name by his supporters needs to be removed. It’s an insult to truly honorable men. Hereafter, when connected to Paul’s name, it will only be cause for snickers and jokes. No one who refuses to disassociate himself from such anti-American thinking deserves the appelation.
texpat: Your method of argument is typical of one who is devoid of facts. I gave some salient facts about the GOP’s White support, and you pounced on an insignificant error, where I called the “Southern Strategy” the ‘brainchild’ of Lee Atwater. You know full well that his name is the most prominently associated with said strategy, but, having no real basis for your retort, you pounced on that.
The thrust of my post was the hypocrisy of one who tosses the “Racist” epithet about, while supporting the GOP. I repeat: The GOP has been a viable competitor in the post-MLK era ONLY because it has found a way to appeal to the White racists you hate so much.
The story of the modern GOP is the transformation of the Wallace Democrats, North and South, into the “Reagan Democrats” of today. To effect this change, Ronald Reagan went to Philadelphia, Mississippi(of “Mississippi Burning” fame)during his 1980 campaign and railed against the usurpation of States Rights by the federal government. On that hot August day, the Wallace Democrats became Reagan Democrats, and the success of the GOP has varied with their ability to keep those folks interested.
I know it may come as a shock to you, but Billy Bob doesn’t get in his pick-up truck with the double rifle rack in the rear window and drive down to the precinct to vote Republican because he wants the hedge fund managers in the Hamptons to continue to enjoy a 15% tax rate on their billions.
When said interest waned, the GOP found a way to re-kindle it. This gave us the “Willie Horton” ads of 1988, enabling a Connecticut carpetbagger named bush to defeat Dukakis. It continued even last year with the GOP party ad in Tennessee against the negro Democrat, Harold Ford.
But I think your concern may be unfounded today. I see no way that the GOP can ever overcome the GW Bush legacy with White voters.
Billy Bob may not be highly educated, but when a President appoints an attorney general who has been a member of an organization that has a motto, “Inside the RACE, everything, outside the RACE, nothing,” and that race is not White, he gets the message.
All the Democrats go and pay homage to an organization entitled THE UNITE RACE, and you guys are not at all concerned, simply because the RACE is not White.
You can deny political reality if you wish, but next November reality is going to hit the GOP right between the eyes.
523.
What organizations do you belong to?
The Willie Horton ads defeated Dukakis?
Ronald Reagan only wins with the white redneck vote?
Bwahahahahahaha
I bet you think 911 was an inside Bush job, too.
524
Flat Earth Society?
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
RickG:You might have missed it, but when the US government instituted “Affirmative Action” in 1970, it abandoned all pretense of adhering to the documents you mention. When the head of the US Civil Rights Commission, charged with the protection of the rights of ALL Americans, said in 1984, “Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them,” she reaffirmed the fact that neither the Declaration nor the constitution were still operative.
I would go along with you in your desire for Dr. Paul to adhere more closely to the ideas of the founders. Those founders, in the very FIRST Congress, passed a law restricting immigration to “White persons of good moral character.” I am sure that Mr. Black and all the other White Racists you rail against would support such a return to the founders’ ideas on the part of Paul.
527.
You quote an individual who makes an incorrect statement and imply it is now the law of the land? That is not only ludicrous, it is weak. More importantly, it’s just not true.
We also had slavery two hundred years ago, before (most of society, unlike white supremacists) evolved. We once burned “witches” at the stake. There were once crusades with butchery of those who did not adhere to a particular religion. (By the way, do you know how long it took the United States to end slavery compared to other countries which had practiced it? The speed alone shows the moral commitment of even the founders to bring all men into equality.)
Most of society has gotten past the ignorance of those days; folks like “Mr.” Black, Nazis and Islamofascists have not. The jury is out on Paul.
If your point is that Ron Paul is living in the 18th Century, you may not get much of an argument here.
#527 Try not to let the facts get in the way of a good bashing please.
George Bush makes Ron Paul appear to be a genius!
Instead of whining about Paul how about shouting alarms about Hitlery Clinton
Does anyone know if streaming audio available of yesterday’s call to KSEV?
527.
By the way, exactly what are you implying? Do you believe only Whites should be allowed to immigrate? Are you saying that’s what Paul believes?
Paul and his supporters are the ones who keep saying he is closest in views to the Founding Fathers. Does that mean he believes in slavery, and that only white male landowners should vote?
See how silly your arguments are?
I have to go to work now. Some of us have jobs to pay for others who don’t.
“George Bush makes Ron Paul appear to be a genius!”
BOOGA BOOGA
Jim West says:
This would explain why you are a Ron Paul supporter in the first place.
I will not draw any conclusions until I see the result of a comprehensive study that vets all the donors to all the other major campaigns. Picking on Paul probably is not fair, unless we can definitively show that no other campaigns have this problem. For all we know, this kind of thing happens all the time in a lot of campaigns. I suspect that to be the case. That will be my working assumption until I see evidence to the contrary.
after reading the anti Ron Paul rants here ( which equal in fact, the ’supposed’ bigotry ’supposedly’ exposed in the breathless story at the top of the page)… i can only say ________________! Seriously.
Do I need my tinfoil hat to post in this thread?
How about instead of posting all jewish organizations for Ron Paul to contribute to?
Why don’t you list a few charities that will help the people of Lebanon that had their country destroyed by an unproportioned attack by Israel??
As a jew myself, I am outraged by the actions of my country and the unconditional support of Israel by the U.S. government.
While we jews always cry that it is WE that are under threat, we always fail to look at those that WE are oppressing.
You will all probably label me as a “self-hating” jew….But why don’t you all take a look in a mirror and realize that we jews are not as innocent as we’d like to have everyone believe?
Now things get weird
539.
Some people will never believe that that light is really a train.
Hmm, noticed on the OC thread some Paul Bearers bemoaned the absence of this thread and wanted to know why it was removed. I had no problem finding it. The Giulliani piece has supplanted it as the headline piece, which many PBs were clamoring for.
Meanwhile the Marathon continues with some new players. Carry on.
539 & 540, agreed.
RickG: You should address my points, which are clearly stated, and not what you might think I might be “Implying.” I have no idea what Ron Paul believes about who should be allowed to immigrate. I personally think it would be fine to return to the immigration policy in force until 1965, under which, in effect, only Whites were accepted. I wold keep this policy in effect until our present gorging of “Diversity” is digested, or until Nigeria and Japan start allowing massive White immigration, whichever comes first.
It is easy to characterize your opponents as “Silly” if you get to state those arguments, but it really doesn’t work that way. I said nothing about the opinion about slavery of either Paul or the founders. As a libertarian, I doubt if Paul supports slavery. I have found nothing in my reading to lead me to believe that any of the leading founders was a proponent of slavery. They were largely faced with a fait accompli, as a result of the greed of the New England Yankee slave traders. Most of my heroes, like Jefferson, lee and Stonewall Jackson voiced their disapproval of the institution. Lee freed all his slaves that he was able to obtain clear title to. Most of them were in hock to the same people who ran the slave trade when he inherited them, but he did manumit them when he legally could. Stonewall Jackson committed a felony every Sunday during the 1850’s, by running a school for colored boys, in direct violation of the post Nat Turner law forbidding anyone to teach a negro to read. Among Southrons of good will, slavery has been a non-starter for a couple of centuries now, so let it go.
As to the idea of restricting the suffrage, I think you will find almost unanimous agreement on the part of non-Marxist political thinkers until the advent of the post WWII “Civil Rights” era.
I personally favor the ideas of the great liberal, John Stuart Mill, who apportioned the vote based on personal merit and accomplishment, giving everyone anywhere from 0 to 5 votes. I like to think that the fact that I would have 5 votes under that scheme does not prejudice me, but whonoz? After all, Tom Sowell and Walt Williams would have 5 votes also. So would Alan Dershowitz, dammit!
The founders restricted suffrage to White landowners, which would not work in a modern technological society. But the Marxist idea of “One person one vote” is sheer idiocy when looked at without emotional baggage.
The purpose of my posts here was to show the hypocrisy(Or, in the alternative, the ignorance)of railing about “White racists” supporting Paul, while totally ignoring the presence of patently racist persons and organizations in other campaigns, simply because those others are not White.
Google Obama’s Church and read its statement of mission. Then substitute “White” everywhere you see either “Africa”, “African” or Black, and tell me what you guys would be saying if a White candidate belonged to that church.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
RickG: I lost something while editing in WORD:My primary purpose was to show the hypocrisy of people castigating Paul for White activist supporters, while ignoring the plain fact that the GOP relies upon the very same voters for the largest single bloc of its support.
# 537 monkeyincognito
“Do I need my tinfoil hat to post in this thread?”
If you normally wear one, I would put it on now.
This is truly like stepping into the twilight zone. Now we have a Jew with such personal angst he wants to denounce Israel. I remember how tough it was to be 18-23
#542 Stonewall
“As a libertarian, I doubt if Paul supports slavery.”
Wow, what a relief ! I’m so glad you cleared that up and I am sure Dr.Paul would agree.
#543
You are correct sir. Some of these Paulophobics™ should look in the mirror.
American woman: You might already be in the twilight zone without realizing it. There are at least a million Jews in Israel who vehemently criticize Zionist and Israeli policy. You just don’t hear or read about it in our media. Try the Israeli newspapers, available on the net. You will be surprised. And enlightened.
It’s funny, coming from a party who had to resort to making gay marriage bans coincide with the popular vote in 2004 just to get elected is nitpicking about bigotry? That said, Ron will apologize, watch… He just won’t do it as fast as your impatient @sses want him to. Why should he be beholden to the crackpot second rate bloggers over here a LST.
I have read several threads here, and all of them have been obsessed with stopping RP. You ARE scared, and just because you will attempt to spin beneath this comment doesn’t change the facts.
BTW, you kill RP, you kill the GOP… The Goldwater’s are disenfranchised, and more evangelicals than you think… Keep lying to yourself.
Of and that BS about RP not being above 1-2 percent is like 3 month old info, I suggest you read a real newspaper every once and a while.
I have read everything you have to say on this topic, so I am not interested in any replies. You would simply regurgitate the bile you see above this post.
Screw you guys…
texpat: Like most neo-cons, yo avoid my central points with juvenile jibes at the periphery. Of course we all know why this is.
It is because you all KNOW that Billy Bob doesn’t get in his pick-up with the two gun rack in the window and a pinch of Skoal between cheek and gum and drive down to the precinct to vote Republican because he wants to keep the taxes on the hedge fund pirates at 15%. But you just won’t admit it.
Your refusal to face facts does not change what everyone knows to be true, to wit, if Billy Bob wises up to the GOP double-cross of its White voter base, a lot of Red states are gonna be singing the blues.
Ragnar says:
Then you’ve either been huffing too much Aqua Net or you’re no jew.
The latest Strategic Vision poll for Iowa has RP at 4%. Rasmussen has him at 2%. How are we ever going to stop this juggernaut? *wringing hands*
What was really interesting in the Strategic Vision poll was the Republican responses to the question on Iraq:
http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/iowa_poll_101807.htm
#’s 549 & 550 - I do NOT want you folks to feel left out! Please take a peek at my:
#497 - I present you with a GOLDEN opportunity - please answer in SPECIFIC terms if you can……..
EXCUSE ME, but, did ya mention what RP has contributed to our society, since being elected?
Can ya please spell it out to me? (a numbered list would be wonderful!)
“you guys”? / “Stonewall”?
Surely one of you two is eminently capable of a cogent and well reasoned LIST of your idol’s accomplishments? (OR will you run for the tall grass like Brett?)
We’ll wait………….
Kat - see, they’re never going to answer that because they don’t define “accomplishment” the way you do. In their eyes, all RP or any candidate has to “accomplish” is to be “right”.
#542 Stonewall says:
For some reason, this kind of “selectivism” from a Ron Paul supporter does not surprise me in the least.
Hell, can they even name any legislation authored by Dear Leader? How long has he been in the Congress?
The cult of Paul babbles on…..
Maybe they’ll break 5% and call it a victory!
It sure looks like Mr. Paul has his share of gap-toothed, banjo-strumming, sister-smooching, wife-beater-wearing, moonshine-running, General Lee-worshipping, cockfight-wagering, POS towtruck-driving, slack-jawed yokels in his corner. And these are his top-shelf supporters. YIKES!
Katfish: I have no “Idol” in the race. I haven’t contributed a dime to a national campaign since I dropped 10 G’s on the Gipper in 1980, after his Philadelphia, MS. speech.
Three years later I saw him grinning from ear to ear as he signed a bill declaring a National Holiday for a Communist, plagiarist, pervert negro, and I tore up several personally signed photos and letters and said goodbye to the GOP.
Ron Paul is not the answer for our problems. He is a dreamer who thinks a libertarian society is possible among a population to whom the most rudimentary elements of Western political philosophy are foreign.
You cant have the libertarian rule of law and sanctity of contrcts among a lawless populace. Ron Paul is totally a-racial, and therein lies the rub, because a libertarian society is totally unthinkable for any society other than one of European heritage, from whence the very idea of personal liberty sprang.
maltboy: The kind of “Selection” to which you refer would probably be anathema to a libertarian like Paul. The converse works just fine in all non-White countries.
It is, however the consensus view among my many Southern Republican friends and relatives, none of whom are in the good Doctor’s camp.
It is amusing how pointing out Republican hypocrisy leads folks to assume that I am a Paulite. Or a Paulinian. Or whatever they call the hopeless dreamers who seek to bring libertarianism to the barrio and the ghetto.
They might not know it, but Jamal and Leroy are gonna get a might testy when President Paul declares that there will be no checks for Mother’s day next month.:)
This is how I feel about this thread and Ron Paul:
http://www.hallofween.com/content/Portals/5/pumpkin-puke.jpg
#560 - ST darlin I tried to continue your quest hun……..
*slinks out of room hanging head*
560 ST
Now that is funny.
southern tragedy: I haven’t read the entire thread, but a cursory perusal of the last half of it shows why your side is clearly prevailing in the argument. What can your antagonists possibly bring to bear in opposition to the undeniable facts and rigorous logic of your arguments?
Who could possibly refute this polemical masterpiece from a few posts ago:”gap-toothed, banjo-strumming, sister-smooching, wife-beater-wearing, moonshine-running, General Lee-worshipping, cockfight-wagering, POS towtruck-driving, slack-jawed yokels.”
Your jpg: of the barfing pumpkin continues the irresistible momentum of the neo-con argument.
Resistance to the powerful logic of the neo-con argument is futile. If I were a Paulite, I would just concede now.
Good cogent argumentation there, Stonewall. I’m going to wait with baited breath to read some equally cogent responses from the regulars here. Well, I won’t hold my breath _too_ long, but you know . . . gotta give the neokahns a chance, just to be “fair.”
Did I miss where someone has answered this easy question?
BTW: I am far from a neo-con. Heh! He called me a neo con!