National Review notices Paul’s Nazi supporter
by David Benzion · 10/29/2007 1:58 pmPosted earlier today; sadly lacking a hyperlink to the original LST exclusive (we’ll forgive):
Paul is famously non-image-conscious. This is in some ways admirable, but it could prove harmful if he doesn’t do something about neo-Nazi leader Don Black’s $500 contribution (a spokesman said that was just noticed on Saturday — to their credit, because of the bloggers). No one thinks Ron Paul is a Nazi, but any association there is the most toxic kind of association possible.
In addition to our multiple phone calls last week, we’ve got a direct email in to Paul’s press shop this morning seeking comment, as well as pursuing a couple of back-channels.
To quote a brief excerpt from our email:
Fwiw, it is my genuine hope that the campaign chooses to take the high road, reject this contribution and take reasonable steps to ensure that additional contributions from neo-Nazis are not accepted.
Blocking Stormfront’s IP address from being a referral page to your site and issuing an unambiguous statement that neo-Nazis and white-supremacist support is unwelcome by the Paul campaign strike me as perfectly reasonable (and politically prudent).
We’ll be happy to highlight and champion any moves along these lines the campaign wishes to take.
We mean it.
And for what it is worth, taking these steps now will make it easier in the future for the Paul campaign to avoid getting unfairly saddled with racist baggage, like the fact that a bigot named Will Williams is trying to recruit young people to his white supremacist cause under the guise of organizing on behalf of Ron Paul. [h/t: Adam Holland]
In response to LST’s post, poor Mr. Williams is whining…
We prefer to phrase the question as “Must Dr. Paul be asked to hold himself accountable to public opinion and take a stand regarding who he knowingly allows to formally associate with his campaign,” but since Mr. Williams insists on framing the issue differently, we’ll answer in a vernacular he understands–
YES, HE MUST CAPITULATE!
THE ALL-POWERFUL Z.O.G. DEMANDS IT!
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He’s not going to make the cut anyway.
Which cut? Circumcision?
I want one of those flags for my office.
David in his case it would be closer to castration than circumcision.
I’m sure that this will once again bring out the Paul supporters to scream and wail and gnash their teeth at the unfairness of it all.
The frustrating thing for me is that I really agree with most of what Dr. Paul says and I’d really like for him to get some legitimate attention and be a player as the selection process moves forward. Instead he keeps shooting himself in the foot, and his supporters keep finishing the job.
With apologies to Soft White Underbelly:
With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He shuts the Stormfronters website down
(Jewzilla!)
Helpless Kluxers at a klan rally
Scream bug-eyed as he smashes their bowling alley
(Jewzilla!)
He takes the Constitution and tears it to bits
As he forces Ron Paul to call it quits
(Jewzilla!)
Oh no, they say he’s got to go
Go go Jewzilla, yeah
Oh no, there goes Jerusalem
Go go Jewzilla, yeah
#6 - I thought that song was BOC. No?
#7 - Google “soft white underbelly”
Man this is getting old from LST. No offense, but if Ron Paul is so unimportant and has no chance at being elected, why does LST continue to write articles about him?
Let’s get some more stuff like BigJ did on Rudy and the other candidate that everyone claims will be the nominee.
I think pointing out the glaring issues with Mit and Rudy would be far more productive, since they are likely to get the nomination. Let’s get the word out about them and how wrong they are for the conservatives and maybe we can get someone like Duncan Hunter some traction.
My 2 cents…
Is it really necessary to point out “glaring issues”? How many people were aware of this stormfronter/kkk thing before we pointed it out? And isn’t it obvious that RP’s supporters want us to shut up?
#8 - I did not know that!
Like my pappy used to tell me, “spit in in one hand and want in the other, and see which one fills up faster”.
Hamous
Well what I consider a glaring issue’s. I am sorry if that came out wrong. It is glaring to people that read the blogs and stay up on the candidates. I would consider that most of the readers here….
The point is still valid why do we continue to get stories about someone this blog clearly thinks has no chance of winning the primary?
Broc,
I think Mitt forgot to shine his shoes one day. And his tie was askew for about 5 minutes one time.
That’s about all the negative you are going to find on him other than his positions changing on a couple of issues.
That and he’s not going to get the nomination. He’s spent almost $54 million thus far and is behind Huckabee and McCain in national polls. He seems to have recovered somewhat in Iowa and is still in the lead in NH. But South Carolina hasn’t shown him much love, he trails miserably in Florida, NY and California.
Do you really think he can challenge Rudy?
They won’t do a thing because this is as it should be. They should ignore the Lone Star Times and anyone else making a mountain out of a molehill.
When Hillary gets money from foreign sources and convicted criminals, no one does anything about it. She never addresses it in public.
This is NOTHING and should be ignored. It has been and will continue to be.
I suggest LST stuff a sock in it unless they want to be sued for harassment.
Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
NO ONE CARES. Get it? Got it. Thanks.
New Hampshire for Paul,
When are you guys going to go third party?
I’m a supporter and I gotta say, ww is trailblaizin the jew stuff everywhere. most of us aren’t going to disagree with you, we’ve had enough even on the forums for RP with the jew comments. Don’t let the rotten apples spoil the bunch. People taking sides w/ KKK makes me sick! The fact is, there are supporters from every direction for all the candidates. don’t point too hard at this one thorn that’s in everybody’s side
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BigJ
I don’t care if Mit can taken on Rudy I don’t want either one because I consider them both to be a threat to the party.
I would hope that with enough press from Blogs and other sources we could get more focus on people like Duncan Hunter. He seems solid from what I have read.
At the very least lets point out why the other two are wrong. Like you did so well in your post on Rudy.
Rudy - his lawfirm is up to its neck in the NAU highway and he’s gone to court to let illegals have benefits in NYC. Rudy is an abortion lover and wife cheater. Too many paid staffers doing nothing. His kids hate him. Known at times to cross-dress and has a bad lisp. (You want to listen to THAT for 4 years? Egads)
Mitt - he needs to read “Repubicans for Dummies” — complete with the bonus DVD of “Guns are Not for Hunting”. He also needs to be reminded of his positions on the issues, 6 months ago. His campaign is not solvent. I don’t want him running our country into MORE debt. Too many paid staffers.
McCain - collaborated with Soros to keep us from donating money to campaigns, wants to give amnesty to illegals while regular citizens are as we speak being tortured in jail for not paying their taxes and won’t take a anti-tax pledge… he also has anger-management problems. His campaign is also not solvent. I don’t want him running our country into MORE debt. (I’ve watched how his staff work, er or don’t work)
Ron Paul
Has $10M and his campaign is one of the few solvent ones
Knows all about monetary policy and foreign policy and has written books.
His kids love him and he’s only been married once to the same woman.
He’s very consistent in his views and has never waivered.
He knows how to be a conservative.
A+ from GOA and 100% with NTU’s “taxpayers best friend ever” award.
Volunteer staff has brought his polling to double digits in NH, and THAT is just among GOP.
I think we have a clear winner here.
Broc, I predict that once the RP campaign makes a public statement, regardless of its content, you will see very few mentions of his name here. Hard to know where he stands when he doesn’t speak at all.
NH4 - Actually a pretty good summation except for a couple of things:
Ron Paul - Has a foreign Policy philosophy that ignores current realities and doesn’t seem to be really coherent.
Lacks apparent leadership and/or management skills to give solid on-point direction to his campaign.
Look, I really don’t think you guys seem to be getting this. Most of the people on this blog could really go for RP if he’d just be a little less fanatical in his foreign policy.
Most of the problem that we have with Dr. Paul really stems from the frothing at the mouth, rabid dog, go for the throat mentality of his supporters on the web. Or, as my daddy used to say, “You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”.
#15 - wha?………you threatening us with an appearance on Judge Judy?
Mighty snarky post over something “so meaningless” eh?
PT Barnum was RIGHT again!
(to the 100th power I might add)
Broc,
I’m with you. Hunter is very conservative but I have problems with him on several issues, especially free trade stuff. If he goes to slapping tariffs on China and such, we’re going to have major problems.
But I’d be okay with him or Huckabee. Maybe Arthur, but something still bugs me about that guy, especially a few of his supporters that blatantly lie and smear other candidates instead of focusing on his platform (can’t blame ‘em for that).
RP’s supporters seem to me to be for their candidate and I like that, even though I don’t much care for RP.
BigJ
Its to bad we cant have designer candidates like they are making designer babies these days!!!
A little of this one and a little of that one and boom…. a perfect republican. lol
But some of what you pointed out is what I do like about those guys. Maybe not their beliefs but the fact that the have an idea and stand by it. Unlike the top two that seem to toss in the politically convenient wind.
Running to the courts to silence a political opinion? How libertarian of you.
Sued for harassment?
Where do these geeks come from, anyway??
Yeah, I remember Broc. I just hope if you guys get enough votes, you’ll be very careful in stopping free trade. Limits can work in certain situations but the broad based mirror approach of Mr. Hunter isn’t the way to go, IMHO.
There’s that irony thing again: “We’re not paying attention to you, nobody’s listening. But you better shut up or else!”
It may be necessary to point out some issues about Rudy that many in the general public do not know yet. For example, the MSM has only barely scratched the surface in the story about his pedophile priest friend, employee, and repeat contributer. There’s lots of stuff out there about Rudy and Alan Placa for willing bloggers to expose with relatively little work required.
Bigjolly
That will be enough bad comments about Mr. Duncan Hunter. I suggest LST stuff a sock in it unless you want to be sued for harassment. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.
NH,
Paul’s poll numbers are in double digits if you count decimal points.
Look, it isn’t going to happen in the Republican Party. Why not start the third party now. You will pull even more anti-war Dems and might make it to double digits in the general election.
Call it the Conservative Libertarian Party. For more fun, maybe the Radical Libertarian Party. Whatever you do, don’t call it the Constitution Party - that would be hypocritical.
What would happen to his candidacy if he softened his stance on isolation and recognized that the Supreme Court is a part of the Constitution?
Does Hunter have enough money to file a lawsuit?
Phil_M,
I dunno about that. Last Thursday night, when I was trying to come to grips with this, there were literally thousands of hits in the MSM and tens of thousands in the blogs. Some of them were really dark.
I think it hasn’t been as red of a flag as it should be because he addressed it - even if he addressed it wrong.
Another thing I thought about was that maybe people are overlooking it because you guys focus on the cross dressing, which is strange but harmless. Perhaps by putting the two together, it lessens the impact of the Placa stance.
bj - They’ve already got a third party - the Libertarians - and that’s where they’ll all go back to once they’re done trying to storm the castle.
By definition those would not be “glaring”.
hamous, you didn’t perchance use a dictionary for that definition, did you?
Yes - there are thousands of hits. But they all say more or less the same thing. There’s a lot more to this story and it includes Rudy’s relationship with Placa and Placa’s own activity in church sex abuse scandals going back for decades.
To put it another way, some of the horrific things about Placa that have made the newspapers are mild compared to what hasn’t yet. Keep digging though. It’s not hard to find if you know what you’re looking for.
The crossdressing stuff is unrelated to Placa, and in fact it was your post that attempted to connect the two. I point out RuGiuliani’s Marilyn Monroe acts because it only adds to the list of wierd creepy things about him.
But the Placa stuff is serious, and Rudy’s “explanation” for it is quite literally tantamount to defending a child molester.
Go Ron Paul!
JohnRH,
True, some would. But how much do you think are part of the looney left? The anarchists? I’d bet 30/40%. And that number would get larger as a third party, apart from the Libertarians. I think.
But you could be right, if he went back to the Libertarian Party, the loonies might go with him. Didn’t think about that.
hambone, got email…
Go Ru Paul!
http://www.rem.ufpr.br/REMv7/Brett_Wood/RuPaul.jpg
Phil_M,
Most of what I saw along those lines (Rudy’s and Placa’s relationship) were suggestive of, intimated or implied, that they had some type of homosexual relationship. But they were little more than smear attempts, the kind of innuendo I abhor.
And that is why I think that by tying the very public, done in humor cross dressing to the Placa story is hurting the legitimately negative aspects of that story.
No, no, no. Don’t say it was my post that connected the two, go back and read the things you said about him.
Screw Ron Popeil and his gynecologists view of foreign policy. Lookin’ at ‘one of those’ all the time doesn’t qualify one to be Commander in Chief. That goes for Hillary Clinton and John Edwards too…
IMHO
#43 - Yeah, I remember about 100 comments in one day chastising you for not talking about cross-dressing rudy and his pedophile priest friend.
I’ve seen those claims too, but I’m referring more to what Placa did at the diocese and to his financial relationship with Rudy. Look at the court documents from the investigation (or if you wish I can supply via email). The molestation charges described in the MSM reports are just the tip of the iceburg with this guy. He did some truly sick, perverted, and inexecusable things.
Those pesky bloggers, doing the work Journalists refuse to do!!
I think a Hunter/Tancredo ticket would be just the ticket!
# 48, ok in my book dcgirl!
I’d like a Ted Nugent/R Lee Ermey Ticket!
What can be done to get the media to focus on all the candidates, not just the 3 “annointed by the elite” candidates? Maybe it could start here at LST. Pick a candidate a day and put information about them on this blog. There is talk about Mitt, Rudy, McCain, (and the defacto trashing of RP). What about the others?
#50 - ya reckon Terrible Ted could get Leta Ford?????????
Faster - I like that ticket. Too bad most of the rational people want nothing to do with politics because they are the ones we need!
Jewish masters… ha.
Benzion, what are our marching orders for this week? Kill, rape, plunder like usual? I wasn’t able to attend the meeting.
52
Leta Ford
Secretary of state?
#51 the MSM will never give the bottom tier any time…… and for them to be noticed it takes money, money and more money. Did you notice as soon as RP’s internet money was announced, he was suddenly more viable?
#53 Dcgirl: I know that I read somewhere that Ted was planning on running for some kind of office. I coulda sworn in was in Texas, because he has land here, but I could be wrong, once again…
57
Montgomery County Hide Inspector???
#58: heh! I think his wife would have HIS hide!
He was considering running for Governor a Michigan. See? I was wrong again!
#’s 48,49 and 50
They have exactly the same chance.
#51 dcgirl,
I sort of agree with you but you’ve picked the wrong guys for coverage.
My list would be Arthur for most positive press, then Rudy, although Rudy’s press is about 50/50. Mitt gets maligned more than not. McCain gets positive press but not much of it now that he is a non-factor.
Huckabee gets mostly negative press even as he is rising in the polls once people understand what he is about and why people smear him.
Paul gets a disproportionate amount of good press vs. the supporters he has. Honestly, I’m not sure why.
Hunter cannot connect with people or press, except perhaps some extremes on trade and some of the people that have illegals as their priority. Arthur is trying to siphon these away.
Tancredo is a single issue guy and admits it, gotta like that about the guy. Arthur is trying to siphon these away.
So to your point, how would picking one guy and profiling him help? Whoever profiles the person will be biased and either be positive or negative towards him.
56. Spot on AW! It’s hard to keep ignoring a “third tier” candidate when they pull in 5M$ in the previous quarter and have more cash on hand than some of the pre-anointed front runners.
So far in October, the Paul Campaign has received 2.4 million dollars, and by every reasonable measure, is gaining brand new supporters faster than candidates from either major party.
On November 5th, RonPaul2008.com will very likely rake in 1 million dollars in a single day.
Yes, in politics, money talks. It’s no wonder that neoconservative hacks are dissing the man. Keep up the good work folks. You are beginning to look foolish.
Thanks bob42, I’ll try to wear the label proudly.
Could you ’splain to me how a guy with no money has overcome the media bias and is getting noticed? You know who I’m talking about.
I don’t think it’s about money, it’s about support; when people hear the truth, not the spin, they pay attention.
And I think that applies to your candidate as well. Contrary to your comments here, LST is not “against” Dr. Paul in any nefarious sense. We are all independent and he doesn’t appeal to any of us. But look what I said above in # 61 about the coverage.
62
bob42
Idiots who also raised lots of money who were closet racists or close to being racists for flirted but wouldn’t be forthcoming aboutbeing racists and just your plain ole garden variety sheet wearing, cross burning Hitler admirin racists
Pat Buchanan
David Duke
Tank Tancredo (who just resigned his seat thank you Jesus)
James Hart
Glenn Miller
Art Jones
Tony Dolz
Randall Terry
Austin Farley
Jimmy Giles
BigJolly
No one’s smearing him - just pasting him with his record.
You can ignore it if you want but too many credible people have - unlike some here - have done research and without cherry picking - decided that Huckabee is running in the wrong party
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/siegel/1166
Lets recap for everyone the Huckabee Legacy
Stole (or tried to steel Priscilla Slade style) 70,000 dollars worth of state furniture
Illegally and unethically setting up a false not for profit organization to pay him enormous speaking fees (to pay for his 525,000 house) he still refuses to disclose
Registered him and his wife in a false wedding registry to furnish his already illegally paid for house with donations in an attempt to skirt Arkansas’ already to porous bribery laws
4 of 7 elders of his church refuse to endorse him
27 of 33 GOP legislators in Arkansas refuse to endorse him
Raised taxes on everything that possibly moved in arkansas
keep most if not all key Clinton personel especially those in Cabinet positions (Why on earth would you do that?)
the following Groups and individuals are totally against Huckabee
Eagle Forum, the Cato Institute, The State GOP of Arkansas, The Association of GOP Legislators - Arkansas, The Little Rock Dem Gazette - Arkansas Times, Arkansas New Agency, Arkansas Business, The Wall Street Journal, The Americans for Prosperity, Americans for Tax Reform, The Tax Foundation, The Club for Growth, and 94% nationally of Likely Republican primary voters
Its late I’m going back to bed my grammeralness is suffering (yes Texpat,more than usual)
63. To answer your question, name recognition helps.
A popular bumper sticker/button has been, “Who is Ron Paul?” It’s been a very good conversation starter.
I wouldn’t doubt that some volunteer graphic artist somewhere is already working on version two:
She’s vulnerable to him on the war, taxes, and health care. Care to name a single other republican hopeful who can hit that standing triple?
Keep the lies, half-truths and mis-representations up Eric - and watch the polls rise.
(and don’t forget to tell the world you think he isn’t a Christian - that one has real credibility)
A little too Ayn Rand-ish, don’t you think?
Bob42, she isn’t vulnerable to him on those three issues. Think about it.
War - Is she really vulnerable here? Not much for your supporters, which include not only the anarchists - don’t forget that the core of your support comes from normal Americans, not the fringe - at best, they will be confused, at worst, they will say that she wants to protect them, your guy doesn’t.
Taxes - the good Dr. votes against any and all spending, correct? Look at the number of givers versus takers, she isn’t vulnerable here.
Health Care - the good Dr. wants no gov’t. funding. The gov’t. is already the single biggest payer of health care. Do you really think she’s vulnerable here?
Elections are about the will of the people, not the purity of some theoretical benchmark. Read the links in David’s post above.
RP is a popular topic because he allows relief from this serious election, suspension from reality, a respite.
…posted too early at the wrong topic
_ _ _ _ Media Works Both Sides of Street
Little thing in the paper yesterday, about Gov Slick Hair being Randolph Giuliane’s VP. and listening to Booortz, he’s talking about what a good guy Gov Slick is.
And today, Media Prezident elect R G on the news, with a front page article about he and a pumpkin against the world. It’s not going to stop.
Ye’ah but he will win New York.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,842858-8,00.html
[Reagan] has stubbornly refused to repudiate the John Birch Society, arguing—as Goldwater did in ‘64 —that “if anyone chooses to support me, they’re buying my views; I’m not buying theirs.”
What a novel idea
Bannable,
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Huck in running in the wrong party; he’s just seriously flawed with respect to his record on fiscal issues, and thus most in the GOP don’t trust him. He’s got a campaign going among evangelicals who aren’t overly concerned with taxes, but even as he surges, that’s going to stay limited.
However, he’d be dead in the water if he ran as a Democrat.
what is the point of spending this much time and effort on a fringe candidate?
Reminding Nazis that we kicked their ass in the 1940’s and patriotic Americans still despise them.
Boy you’re really reaching now. Going back to Reagan’s gubernatorial campaign in the mid-60s:
Here’s the…uh…glaring difference: Reagan publicly addressed the issue. Day 18 and nary a word from Dear Leader.
Don’t you love it when people have to rely on innuendo and flat out lies to get their guy elected?
But you know what? With the power of the internet, people are starting to realize that they can find their own information.
Thus the Paul revolution. While I do not embrace Dear Leader, people that are of that particular mindset can find information that tells them, hey, he’s okay, he’s not quite the nut people say he is. Maybe he gets elected, maybe he doesn’t, but I can find out the truth without the help of people who think politics should be about who can smear the loudest and longest.
And guess what? People that support other candidates can do the same. They no longer are stuck with false accusations about a candidates fiscal policy or tendency to hold rattlesnakes. They can read the facts, determine the truth and say adios, mofo.
And in those 18 days, a couple more million in the bank at RonPaul2008.com
Using LST logic, there must be an awful lot more NAZIs out there than I thought.
bob42,
Believe it or not, I know how you feel. Pick a candidate that has original ideas, goes against the “establishment” and BAM!, you are labeled a fanatic.
I’ll try to remember that.
There are—enough to make at least several hundred thousand dollars worth of donationas–if not a million or more.
That’s why it’s important that we don’t let them get thier hooks into any candidate.
Thus, it becomes an important and respnsible thing to do for people who care about such things to make them public knowledge.
I don’t think there’s anyone here that things there are a lot of Nazis out there. But any chance I have to marginalize their kind I’ll take it. That’s what I expect of our presidential candidates. It’s bizarre to me that we’re even having the discussion on whether the support of Nazis is a bad thing in the year 2007.
Hammie;
If theyb are only 3% of the population, there would be close to a million Nazis and/or White Supremacists out there.
The problem with that is that it takes some only nuttier than squirrel poop to be a nazis, which means they are goth easily swayed and incredibly dedicated—we have seen just a small example of how dedicated some of them are right here.
That can translate into some organization and bux for a canddaite who needs a bit of oomph, and who may become beholded to them if or when they provide it.
The Nazis in Germany never had a majority either.
Moral equivalence has come a long way baby.
The irony in making a big deal about this is that the NAZIs in America have their own party and candidate.
Here’s a pic:
http://fitsnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/american-nazi.jpg
Yet if I do a site specific search on “Tulia” I see a whopping 8 hits here at the devoutly anti-racist Lone Star Times (including those from open comments.)
Another blog, FITZnews.com, asked the Ron Paul campaign about his popularity within the NAZI party and received this reply on September 23, 2007:
I would think that this would answer some of the questions that LST has gone to such lengths to pose.
(But I suspect it won’t…)
bob42,
I’ll let Hamous or Squawk answer that one, there are specific quotes by Jesse Benton along other lines.
What is your point about Tulia?
You mean that John Bowles is running with Nazi support?!?!?!
/sarc
Give me a break, man. Of course, the Nazi party candidate is running with Nazi support.
Once again, real real real slow this time:
Nobody
is
suggesting
that
Paul
is
a
Nazi.
We’re just wondering why it isn’t OK to ask the man why he won’t repduiate support from fringe racist groups.
86. Tulia was a blatant example of contemporary institutionalized racism in action, in stark contrast to the nutjobs like Bowles. It’s the difference between bark and bite.
It stands to reason that a blog that is so concerned about racism would have mentioned Tulia more often…It was in all the papers.
Yes, bob42, and I’m sure a Nexis/Lexis search and a Google search will turn up a long list of public statements by Ron Paul about Tulia, Darfur, Genarlow Wilson, the Duke scandal and an endless list of racial controversies in America.
Yanno ah bet we could SELL this thread and the other 700 PLUS posting one to ole John Kerry - he could brush up on his digression skills…………
I’m tired of this red herring silliness. Defend your candidate’s position and I’ll discuss but pulling up crap from Reagan’s governors race in 1967 and worse, a drug czar from the 1920s, is disingenuous and I’ll no longer participate.
This is nice
Just sayin….
The real red herring is LST continuing to pretend to get their panties in a knot over insignificant amounts of money sent in by insignificant numbers of nutjobs, and pretending that it is new news.
LST’s questions were answered weeks ago, by an official of the Ron Paul campaign:
BigJolly
I never said he wasn’t a christian thats for Jesus to decide
However, whether he’s an ethically challenged tax and spend Rino who likes to tax dying veterans 5.25 cents a day or 2000 dollars a year (notice he didn’t even give them the Lord’s day off) is for everyone to decide - gee I’m sorry if everyday I see the DMSM praising and pouring propaganda into his campaign to disrupt the process and I don’t embrace him as a brother
And neither do 94% of the Republican likely primary voters and 90% of those elected GOP legislators and elders of his church who actually know the guy
opps…
The proof is here and there is no way around it. The supporters of Ron Paul are accomodating of their candidate regardless of his actions. If he repudiates the support and rejects the ideology of the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis, he is correct. If Paul doesn’t repudiate and reject, Paul is also correct.
Therein lies the truth. There is no independent framework within which to judge the man or his character. It is wholly the decision of one mortal, flawed human being to render that which ultimately is right or wrong. And that, my friends, is a disease-ridden and very dangerous philosophy. It renders the moral and ethical collective judgement of our society moot and useless. It has the scent, the trail and the markings of obsession and a certain metaphysical madness characteristic of followers in our recent historical past.
The Left has rejected the heritage of Thought and Reason embodied in our Western Canon. They believe, or have actually seized upon, a Theory of Irrelativity in which there is no objective reality. All the peripheral players, Right and Left, in history have searched for the leader to teach them to be inside actors - to give them keys to the Kingdom. It is an old story and it won’t soon end, and most certainly not here.
Big Jolly - Paul will not go third party because staunch longtime republicans like myself would never go for that.
Also, Paul’s polling is ONLY from among the GOP — we don’t know what other support there is out there from never voted, independents and libertarians. I assume it’s a lot. He also has the biggest black contingency.
Please read up on what isolation really is. It’s got to do with economic policies. Paul’s policy on the war is the same as W’s was in 2000 - non intervention. Not even close to the same thing. He’s for openly trading, talking and being friends with all nations. Just not bombing them or sending them money!
And there is nothing wrong with the JBS. They do great research, and are always correct.
Furthermore:
Press Releases › Ron Paul is Highest-Polling Republican Among Black Voters
October 24, 2007
ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA–Public opinion service Rasmussen Reports recently released data indicating that Texas congressman Ron Paul is the top Republican presidential candidate among African-American voters.
1200 individuals were polled and asked if they preferred Ron Paul to Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. 33 percent of Black voters chose Congressman Paul over Senator Clinton and 31 percent over Senator Obama. Rasmussen Reports polled voters on their preference for the other GOP contenders over Clinton and Obama, and all polled lower than Congressman Paul. John McCain was preferred over Clinton and Obama by 24 and 16 percent, and Mitt Romney by 20 and 27 percent, respectively. Rudy Giuliani was only preferred to Clinton by 15 percent, and to Obama by 17 percent.
Congressman Paul’s support among African-Americans is much higher than what Republicans have received in recent presidential elections. CNN’s 2004 presidential election exit polls show that Democrat John Kerry was preferred over George Bush by 88 percent.
The RealClearPolitics Insider Advantage Poll from early October also indicated that Dr. Paul was the leading Republican candidate among Black voters in key primary state, New Hampshire.
“Dr. Paul is the candidate who brings Americans together,” said Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. “His unifying message of freedom, peace, and prosperity is drawing supporters of all backgrounds back into the Republican party.”
Rasmussen Reports conducted preference polls for Ron Paul between October 12 and 14. Preference polls for Rudy Giuliani were conducted October 8 through 9 and 15 through 16, and for Mitt Romney and John McCain between October 10 and 11 and 17 through 18.
OH PS - I am more frightened of Rudy and his supporters than I am of any of these groups people want repudiated.
Rudy is a liberal, socialist and supporting the NAU and Hugo Chavez.
SHAME SHAME SHAME.
Okay
I’m gonna go back and read the thread again
However, But, WHO IS RON PAUL ? He ain’t even on the radar screen ! Unknown to too many people ! He’s not a candidate as much as he detracts from other candidates posititions.
Hamous:
You’re missing the point. Reagan’s response to questions about the Birchers was nowhere near as pointed as Hayward’s column implies. Hayward, in the post you cited about Reagan’s gubernatorial campaign in the mid-60s (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200107/ai_n8961512/pg_3), suggested that “Reagan regarded the leadership of the John Birch Society as kooky,” something that Reagan never stated, in the course of that campaign or any other.
“About the John Birch Society specifically, Reagan said that he would welcome the support of their members, but that such support was evidence that he had ‘persuaded them to accept my philosophy, not me accepting theirs.’”
Similarly, when people support Ron Paul, that is “evidence that he had ‘persuaded them to accept [his] philosophy, not [he] accepting theirs.’”
The reason Reagan had to respond publicly (after a lot more than 18 days) was that the Democratic Party and Governor Brown were publicly and plausibly labelling Reagan an extremist whose beliefs matched up with the Birchers. There is no one who has made such a claim about Congressman Paul, in part because such a claim is untenable.
There is no substance to this attack. It is vile innuendo, and it is unworthy of you, as it is unworthy of Lone Star Times.
This sort of Star Chamber tactic may amuse you, but it will drive supporters of Dr. Paul and his small-government, Constitutional fidelity ideals out of the Republican Party. Since he has virtually no chance of winning the nomination, such a purge will only serve to weaken the GOP for the general election contest. Come November, this course of action may prove a source of regret.
I note that a similar purge in my state House district caused the GOP share of the general election vote to plummet by one third in a single election cycle. Proceed as you will, but take care what we have built together that you put at risk for your own ends.
#39 DJ
Yes. Please. Immediately.