It’s easy to tell that the primary season is almost upon us. The candidates are fighting in the press daily, trying to get their message out. This AP report features Rudy, Mitt and Fred sparring on illegal immigration.
Responsibility for stopping illegal immigration belongs to the federal government and not to cities, states or businesses, Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani said Tuesday.
Giuliani told small-business owners he would not punish them for unwittingly hiring illegal immigrants.
Hard to argue with that. It doesn’t help, however, when cities actively oppose federal law. And you shouldn’t punish unwitting employers, true. But you must take on those employers that systematically hire illegal labor to keep their costs down.
“And if you elect one of my (Republican) opponents, they want to crack down on cities and states, and they want to crack down on businesses, but they don’t want to solve the problem,” he said. “If I become president, in a very short while, you will not be able to walk into the United States without identifying yourselves.”
I hope that’s correct because at this point, Rudy is still leading in all national polls and is still the only candidate that, according to the polls, can defeat Mrs. Clinton in the general election.
But let’s hear from the other candidates.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has criticized Giuliani for defending New York’s “sanctuary” policy, which barred city workers from reporting suspected illegal immigrants who enrolled their children in school or sought hospital treatment.
“If the mayor is just looking to place blame, all he needs to do is look in a mirror,” Romney spokesman Kevin Madden said Tuesday. “Stopping illegal immigration is about actually enforcing existing immigration laws.”
I’d say that’s a fair rebuttal. What about Fred?
Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, has accused both Giuliani and Romney of being weak on immigration.
“As mayor, Rudy Giuliani told city employees to ignore federal law and barred them from assisting federal immigration agents, and yet he now expects voters to believe he’d be tough on our borders?” said Thompson spokesman Jeff Sadosky.
Another factual rebuttal.
The race is definitely heating up. Each candidate has a different strategy, makes for fun reading and good arguing!
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Which ever one of them that take office need to understand that the American public want the existing laws on the books enforced. It’s not just political it is the law.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMEN Dov!
Go Fred GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are being sold a blind horse with Giuliani. See the way the news media is telling us he’s the only one who can beat Mrs. Bill Clinton. If I can see that anyone who can’t has to just not be paying attention.
Fred is the best on this issue. If only he had a pocket Constitution…..
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjhkYzZiNTAxZjAyZTNjNzkxNjA2ZTNmNDBhNjhlYWU=
“A sovereign nation loses that status if it cannot secure its own borders and we are going to do whatever is necessary to do so, although our policies won’t be as harsh as yours (speaking to Mexican President Calderon) are along your southern border.”
There are no consequences for candidates who lie during the campaigne…candidates are limited only by what they can convince the public they believe and will do.
The public needs to consider other things about the candidate and less weight should be given to what they say…like who’s putting out the money for the candidate…Mitt, Rudy and Fred have raised huge amounts of money…big business, big government…the elites own them.
They’re not getting my vote….I’m voting for Duncan Hunter…a man faithful to the U.S. look at his record.
America is hypocritical when it come to immigration. On one hand some say employers are greedy simply because they hire illegals to keep their cost down. On the other hand , Americans shop for the lowest price they can find in order to save themselves money. You cannot have your cake and eat it, too. If you want to slow down illegal immigration - quit spending money, stop voting for politicians simply because they will increase your SS benefits, bring money back to your district, etc. etc. A great political leader is one that will do nothing for you - yet you will still vote for him.
# 6
“A great political leader is one that will do nothing for you - yet you will still vote for him.”
I agree.
Hmmm…. who would that be?
mayfly22 Says: “There are no consequences for candidates who lie during the campaigne…”
That’s exactly why Fred will never get my vote!
“I was walking the walk when others weren’t even talking the talk yet.”
Not true.
Thompson’s voting record: http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=TN&VIPID=743
#7
Hmm. I’m still thinking….
Welcome to the club, DinTN. That makes two of us. ;-(
Giuliana’s nomination would be a bad thing for the GOP. If we nominate him, we might as well throw the platform out and srart re-writing what it means to be a Republican. They might just have to re-write some of us out of that definition.
11.
I meant for that to read “what it means to be a Republican Presidential nominee.” I believe there is a place for Rockefeller Republicans, just not at the head of the national ticket.
Is it possible that we might actually see a split in the Republican convention, with no candidate getting a majority of the primary votes? I can see this election causing some real gut checks at the national party.
13. duhmoose
Good question. If it happened, it probably means a loss in the presidential election (based on the history of the fate of the party with contentious conventions - 1964, 1968, 1976) but it may be necessary to save the GOP as we know it.
It’s also over a year away from the election, and polls are notoriously prone to change. I strongly suspect that Rudy has peaked already and will find himself amidst an increasingly hostile Republican base after they discover the fact that he hires and takes campaign contributions from child molesters.
RickG, I think that if it became a fight between the Conservatives and the big money Republicans it could be very healthy. And if the result was getting a candidate that pushed the traditional party platform it could really rejuvenate the party. However, if the more liberal Republicans won, it could be the death of the party.
#’s 8, 9, 10 - voting on items listed as 10 YEARS ago when ‘we the people’ were not NEAR as focused and angry regarding gimmigration as we are NOW?
That alone doesn’t turn me away from Fred………(still got a gut feeling he IS our guy - I don’t see any other Pubbie that can kick Hellary’s butt)
Phil
Latest National Polls show Fred (who’s still not campaigning) within a statistical tie with Hillary
Phil, I think Rudy has all kinds of problems, not the least of which is the defrocked priest. His conflicts of interest with the endless entanglements of Giuliani Partners and Bracewell/Giuliani. The NYC mayoral positions on the 2nd Amendment, immigration and gay rights. The Dems are just salivating, waiting for Rudy to win the nomination. They believe they can destroy him.
Americans don’t want the absolute lowest price possible, regardless of laws or ethics. If we did, we’d get rid of meat inspections and bring back slavery.
No, sensible Americans want the lowest prices they can get from vendors who obey the law.
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Agreed. After all, if we’re going to run a Democrat, why have to parties?
21.
For shame, RickG - “two” parties.
RickG, not only that, but America is crying for someone with a plan for positive change and the will to follow through. Democrats are not offering it, and Republicans can’t seem to either.
Fred who?? This isn’t 1980, folks. You have to give a little to gain alot. The media’s not “picking” Rudy, the swing voter will. Wise up.
#14
Rick, You are no doubt correct about saving the republican party, however I would hate to lose the country while doing it.
l2r, I really don’t see any reason for an independent to pick Rudy over Hillary. The only issue that polls well with Independents that I can tell a difference between Rudy and Hillary is the not being a Clinton thing. Oh, except Hillary gets to take the moral high ground against Rudy.
ALL law agencies should have to fight ILLEGAL immigration, National, State and City.
There is no excuse. All the fingerpointing is unneccessary and only an excuse so they don’t do anything.
#20 you just said it best!!
Rudy is only conservative on the war. socially he is right along with the dems. He’s a great actor, a great debator, and a good liar. Electing Rudy, and that may be the case, will get us 4 more years of surprises, anger and shaking our heads.
AW: Bush turned out to be a disappointment. I can bear 4 years of Rudy better than 8 years of Clinton. Its your choice.
25 and 30
Tough choices, indeed. I don’t want to go through a higher taxes, bad judges, increased welfare state period. But I wonder if it’s inevitable, and whether we should face it now. If we don’t, are we in store for many more years of tepid Republican-ism?
Mitchel and Johnny, as of today, have not made have not made up their minds about LOST; I’d say lost pretty well describes them.
Only thing I like about Rudy is he did get tough on crime in NYC… with a lot of success.