You say you want a rHEIvoLution?
by LST Staff · 11/16/2007 7:01 am
The Fuhrer (sorry; furor) over neo-Nazi love for Ron Paul may be about to spill out of the blogosphere and into the real world.
It’s a disturbing phenomenon we first starting asking questions about back in early October. LST advanced the story by being the first (and to this point only) media source to confirm a campaign contribution to Paul by a leading neo-Nazi. The campaign’s (wholly inadequate, in our opinion) response came one week later.
Now there is a celebrity angle, which could easily cause the story to jump from mere “boring” politics to pop-culture infotainment.
Hutton Gibson, father of actor Mel Gibson, has endorsed Rep. Ron Paul (R., Texas) for president. “I intend to tell my 10 children and my 48 grandchildren that the only way to save the country is to vote for Ron Paul in 2008,” says Gibson, who appears in the video endorsement sitting on a sofa wearing a “Legalize Freedom” t-shirt.
Mr. Gibson is a paranoid, bigoted crank whose well-known and odious opinions on the Holocaust really need to be read in full to be appreciated.
We can’t help but wonder– if Ron Paul had blocked neo-Nazi websites from linking to his own, and returned neo-Nazi campaign contributions when they came to his attention, and issued an unambiguous statement back in October making it clear that there was no room in his Revolution for neo-Nazis, would Hutton Gibson still be so enthusiastically endorsing the Ron Paul campaign today?
Better yet, would his campaign now have to deal with this problem?
The Anti-Defamation League plans to ask Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul to distance himself from extremist groups.
Paul, a U.S. congressman from Texas, has come under fire for the support his campaign has enjoyed from leading white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups.
His campaign reportedly has accepted a donation from Don Black, the owner of the white supremacist Web site Stormfront. Sites for several extremist groups also feature prominent links supporting Paul’s candidacy.
ADL’s assistant director of civil rights, Steven Freeman, told JTA his organization planned to communicate with Paul privately and urge him to distance himself from those groups.
“If he doesn’t do that, then we will decide what we’re going to say publicly about it,” Freeman said.
We’re not always big fans of everything the ADL does (liberal bias, run as a fiefdom), but for the moment that matters less than this simple fact– the Paul campaign is about to reach a moment of truth on this issue.
They’re either going to continue with the same “We Don’t Judge Who Climbs Aboard the Love Train” song they’ve been singing thus far, or they’re going to change their tune.
Either way, once the ADL gets involved, in the eyes of the Mainstream Media you’ve got a legitimate news story. That means tough questions from real journalists, television reporters demanding a response from the candidate–not the spokesman– and best of all, reaction comments from competitor campaigns.
Enjoy your media-relations nightmare boys; you’ve earned it.
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i suggest dennis kucinich (sp) as his running mate.
I keep hearing that it is better to for something than against something in politics, LST hates Ron Paul! OK, OK, Geesh lets move on! I am starting to see why I visit this site less and less, because LST has gotten so lop-sided. Back up a little and remember that people tend to look at things with their own perspective, right or wrong.
Y’all are wearing it out about Ron Paul, ENOUGH!
Yawn…
I guess it is kind of a new wrinkle that the ADL is trying to benefit from Paul’s surge of popularity.
But overall, the fundamental illogic of LST’s approach still prevails. Making a mountain out of this molehill only gets traction with people who are already opposed to Dr. Paul.
Whether they originate from LST or ADL, baseless smear jobs like this one will be ineffective among his supporters, and reflect badly on those behind them.
You mean the 94 to 99 percent of Americans who are planning not to vote for him?
But…the LST contributors are people too! Are they not worthy of their own perspective?
Mona Charen has her own perspective:
Matt, If your referring to polling numbers you should be aware that you are distorting the facts. They don’t apply to all Americans, only registered republicans, with land lines.
You also misleadingly include the substantial numbers of poll respondents that are undecided.
Normally at this point in a conversation I’d try to say something encouraging, like “Nice try and keep trying!” Unfortunately in this case, neither apply.
But even if the statistics you distort were real, it still defies logic. If the man doesn’t stand a chance, why is LST so horribly concerned about him that they continue to embarrass themselves?
Racism by Dr. Ron Paul
” A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.
The collectivist mindset is at the heart of racism.
Government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combat bigotry. Bigotry at its essence is a problem of the heart, and we cannot change people’s hearts by passing more laws and regulations.
It is the federal government that most divides us by race, class, religion, and gender. Through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails. Government “benevolence” crowds out genuine goodwill by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility among us.
Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called “diversity” actually perpetuate racism.
The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence - not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.
In a free society, every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty.”
’nuff said
Yup;
Some folks think getting support from Nazis is no big deal——
Mel Gibsons father? Come on guys you are much smarter then this.
You are giving his father and the Nazi group much more power and influence then either one has. I bet there are mental patients, murderers, and many illegal immigrants that support President Bush but I do not expect him to make any statements seperating himself from them.
The Nazi party is dead, what happened during that time was terrible and so was what happened during slavery. It is unfortunatly part of our past like so many other terrible times in the evolution of man we should never, ever forget but we need to move on and not support them by giving them more importance then they really have.
I hold no grudges over what happened to Christians in the past, lets get on with our future. I am sure Ron Paul loves all this attention and free publicity, I am sure it results in more contributions and support.
Well, not quite “’nuff said”. Other quotes from RP (via his newsletter with his name under it):
Given the amount of information out there:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html
and the fact that this is showing up in the Wall Street Journal today, you guys can look forward to seeing it on O’Reilly soon, and the talk radio circuit is going to get hold of it as well.
Ron Paul will be lucky to be elected as Dog Catcher, certainly notn Congressman, and definetly NOT President.
“You are judged by the company you keep.” is not just some tired old aphrism—it’s the truth.
This is why Libertarianism absent Pragmatism doesn’t work. It’s similar to Socialism in that respect.
Pragmatically, you folks should have created the groundswell condeming Nazis in your midst. You were told about it early, you were kept updated, you knew who Nazis were and what they beleived in, and your response was:
“Nazis? No Big Deal. You’re the bad guys for pointing out the Nazis in our midst. This is GOOD for Ron Paul”
You’re fixing to find out the exact size a “deal” this is. Allegations like this which had a good deal less factual basis hurt Buchanan a few years ago. IN this case, there is a whole lot more “there” there.
# 2 “Yawn….”
My reaction too. LOL!
It ain’t gonna work, LST boys.
Next!
Hamous knows full well that the quoted comments were written more than 15 years ago by a staffer that was subsequently fired. Otherwise, he would have written “Ron Paul wrote…” instead of “via his newsletter with his name on it.” This is an old and thoroughly rebuked charge. To try to sell it as fact shows the complete dishonestly of those trying to discredit Paul.
AZ,
Forgive….you bet! BUT! folks that forget are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. Regrettably, there is a lot of that forgetting going around.
In fairness…I don’t believe Dr Paul is a racist or Nazi. Barry Goldwater got much the same treatment during his CREDIBLE run for President. He was associated with Nazis, Birchers, and other fringe groups, when his actual beliefs were pretty mainstream. Ironically, Barry Goldwater would be labeled a liberal by today’s standard.
I like some of Dr Paul’s ideas, but I can see where some of his wackier beliefs might appeal to fringe groups.
Dr Paul is a NECESSARY cost of admisssion to Democracy. He is that one guy that always shows up at townhall meetings with ideas that run counter to the conventional wisdom. Most of the time we dismiss these people, but occasionally folks like Paul are right. We ignore them at our own peril.
What Dr Paul is not is a LEADER. This is his biggest flaw and a deal killer for me. I want my President to LEAD. Regrettably, we haven’t seen a leader for a long time in the White House. I see no reason to continue that trend by putting Dr Paul in the White House. I do believe he serves a useful purpose a voice of contrarian reason in the Congress.
Simple
Then again I may be totally wrong on this one.
You’re not even reading the material.
LST is quoting an article that showed up in the Wall Street Journal today.
You Paulestinians once said that because these allegations showed in a small backwater blog, there was no need to respond to the fact that there is a considerable number of Nazis and White Supremacists in your midst.
It’s now bee commented on in the Wall Street Journal and on Micheal Medved’s Talk radio show, as well as on Hot Air, American Thinker, and Littel Green Footbals—and a host of other “backwater” blogs.
Is it time yet to denoucn the Nazis in your midst, or is it that youn know that the financial windfalls you;ve been reciving are dependent on thier support?
And if THAT is true, what can we, the American People, expect from a Candidate dfor the Nazis that ave contributed so richly to his campaing?
sorry for not closing the “bold” tag
I got yer back. LST Moderator
Hutton Gibson who lives just down the road is a looney racist scumbag. It tickles me to take my Goldwing and run down the road and turn around in his driveway. I know he sees red when I do it.
Oh did I forget to mention I have a large Magen David on my windshield that you can see from a block away.
I haven’t made any decision as to RP however some of his supporters are another question.
And LST Moderator. I promise not to post his address or pics of his house. Now Quannell 2 nickels address is another matter also :>)
Is there a retraction of the article in follow-up nesletters, or did the Paul campaign only respond once it was brought up in this campaign.
An article like that, absent a retraction and repudiation, is an indication of agreement—-
same as if you’re being supported financially and organizationally by Nazis and White Supremacists.
Ron Paul’s campaign employs black, Jewish, Mormon, Latino, and Chinese-American staffers. The assertion that he is a Nazi-sympathizer based on an unsolicited contribution from some nutjob in Florida is deeply silly.
By this logic, if that same nutjob bought a pair of jeans at Wal-mart, Wal-mart would be “supported financially and organizationally by Nazis and White Supremacists”
As Amadine knows full well, everything I posted in #10 is factual. What it proves is this. Not only is Ron Paul more than willing to accept Nazi money, he is also more than willing to surround himself with racists in his campaign.
But if this is “yawn… no big deal” why do you apologists continue to show up and come unglued every time we post one of these pieces? You guys crack me up.
I pretty much agree with Simple Simon’s take on things in #14, although after digging around in the cesspools of the internet during this whole affair I’m beginning to have my doubts about Paul’s true feelings. But if you acolytes truly believe in liberty why are you consistently telling us to shut up?
Oh PLEASE bring up “Jews for Ron Paul”! Please. I beg you.
It would seem the Little Oops(!) is growing and growing like the Energizer Bunny keeps going and going. This morning it is a considerably Bigger Oops(!)
It should be an object lesson to aspiring and current politicians of any stripe. Remedy the litte one before it grows or it could well come back to bite you hard in the rump.
14 I agree never forget, but to be constantly beaten around by it gets silly. Learn from it.
DOV, you admit to knowing where Mel’s father lives and even placing your vehicle in his driveway?
Be careful or you may be charged with guilt by association. Have you ever had eye contact with him? And I have been in the same Kroger store that you have been in and maybe Mel’s father has been there so am I
a Nazi? Have we ever been there at the same time? Oh my God!
That’s all you got, Hamous? I’m disappointed, you didn’t even try to rebuke my arguments. I had hoped that you had some intellectual chops. Guess not.
As Amadine also knows full well, this is not just about “an unsolicited contribution from some nutjob in Florida”. It is much deeper than that. But keep up the deride and deflect campaign.
Dov please email me his address, I want to be sure that my fluids never get mixed with his fluids in our community sewer system.
Do we drink from the same water wells? We need an investigation!
Does the Klein school district accept tax money from Mel Gibsons father!
They MUST return it, LST investigate!
Amadine, an off-the-wall comparison of a racist buying jeans at Walmart to Nazis supporting a man that wants to be the leader of the free world would not be classified as an argument worthy of rebuking.
AZ, lets get serious. You are coming here voluntarily. LST is not beating you with anything. The internet is a huge world with lots of places to visit. You don’t HAVE to come here and be subjected to this. You CHOOSE to do so.
AZ
That is pushing the envelope a bit. Hutton is known for the company he keeps and his ridiculous bigoted racist thoughts. Although he is a Catholic he even thinks the mainstream Catholics are unacceptable.
I was not going to say this but you got my attention. You said in # 9. The Nazi Party is dead. It is a tax free group in the USA. Dead my butt. And last but not least.
Forget it ? Forget it ? I can tell you horror stories about the holocaust and distant relatives. Forget it my butt.
And no KISD gets none of Gibsons money. Tomball ISD does.
When will Ron Paul Stop beating his wife?
This is a smear, plain and simple. I’m not sure it does any good to give a couple Nazis a couple hundred dollars back and beg them to keep Paul’s picture off their web sites. The truth is Ron Paul collected small amounts from over 35,000 Americans. The three biggest employers these donors listed were, the Army, the Navy and Google.
You know your opponent is desperate when he starts calling you a Nazi. Meanwhile Rudy has the backing of a priest accused of child molesting and a wide variety of crooks and thugs. The difference is Rudy sticks up for the priest and Paul’s campaign does its best to ignore a couple nut jobs who send him money. Paul is the number one Republican among black voters polled. Personally I hope, in the end, the Black Panthers, the KKK, the ADL, CAIR, the VFW, the AARP, teaher’s unions, the UAW, the John Birchers and the NAACP all get behind Ron Paul and send in their contributions.
Hamous, if you fail to see the logical validity of my Wal-mart analogy and maintain the validity of your non-sequitur and straw man arguments, then you have verified my claim that you don’t have the chops to engage in a serious, logical, and fact-based discussion. The readers should, therefore, rightly conclude that your argument is invalid. But I’m sure they already have.
Glad you mentioned those 35,000 Americans, Wanda. No doubt many of them were a result of “White Will” and his white supremacist buddies gaming the Youtube ThisNovember5th advert. “White Will” is Wil Williams. He was the southern coordinator for William Pierce’s (author of The Turner Diaries) National Alliance Party, the largest neo-Nazi party in the U.S. When setting up the Youtube gaming assault Williams said this: “”Everybody here can do this, except bjb w/his ni**erberry.” “bjb” stands for “Burn Jew Burn”, in case you were wondering. He’s the guy with the catchy little internet tag line: “Nothing says lovin’ like a Jew in the oven.”
You apologists are beginning to turn my stomach.
Hamous, Dov, just let these folks rant, soon enough they will see that denial is simply a river in Egypt, and their savior will go away..
We have much bigger fish to fry like Katy ISD’s plan to hire a sports/events marking firm that will come in and take 50% of all revenue from events that they plan, promote, and coordinate…
The story is here
and here
Ron Paul Macht Frei!
Does Godwin’s law apply here?
My beef is he wants our victorious troops to flee the battlefield like cowards.
Dhimmitude from a US President is not acceptable.
Hillary accepted money from Hsu (a runaway criminal) and the right leaning blogs (i.e. Michelle Malkin) nailed her for it. Ron Paul and Nazi contributers deserve the same treatment.
If we care about where the money that supports these campaigns comes from, then we care about where it comes from.
And to Ron Paul’s continued delight, in his case no news is bad news … and if the MSM is giving him press … it continues to give credibility to his campaign.
Either way … the guy doesn’t stand a ghost chance in hell of winning a general election. So it’s a moot point.
..and another invalid straw man argument from Hamous. Keep digging, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. You’re due.
31.
It’s not a smear if its true.
Why do the Pauliacs not want to discuss Jews for Paul? Hmmm?
Riddle me this: how many frauds and whackjobs must make up a campaign before the candidate is held accountable?
I think the Dishonorable Doctor Paul is about to find out.
“even a blind squirrel finds a nut”
dig…dig….dig…
Look, Ron Paul!
You’re fixing to find out the exact size a “deal” this is.
40
Quit channeling my brain, Sarge
Hamous you are 100% correct, but this is supposed to be a platform of shared opinions and in my opinion you have the potential for a great product here, you guys work hard and produce some good material, but you damage and cheapen all that good work with items such as this. Go to TalkinTexas.com I do post links there to here.
Dov, it is just as much pushing the envelope as using Gibsons father.
And please, please read what I wrote twice here in comments posted above, never forget, and learn from the mistakes of the past.
My mother-in-law was in a concentration camp, so please do not try and explain the horror of what they went through, I heard it from her. But she got on with her life, never forgot, was greatly affected by it, but got on with her life until the day she died.
Now please people read all that I write not just what you think I meant.
Bweldon, we’ve obviously got a couple of the stormfronters showing up here today. Real Americans fought and died for these low-life’s right to be Nazis but even if there are bigger fish to fry they still need to be called out for the scumbags they are. Real Americans also fought and died for my right to do it.
Funny you should bring that up. You see, a while back, Wal-Mart bought a bunch of t-shirts with a skull-and-bones logo that turned out to be a symbol of a Nazi SS division. It was an innocent error — some Wal-Mart buyer thought the design looked cool and didn’t know about the Totenkopf reference.
Within a day, Wal-Mart pulled the shirts from its shelves, publicly apologized, and pledged to review its buying procedures to avoid similar mistakes in the future.
Regardless, your analogy is flawed. A better one would be something like this: a neo-Nazi uses internet hate sites to declare support for Wal-Mart, calls Wal-Mart “The White People’s Store,” and posts Wal-Mart ads right below posts decrying the “n—-r situation.”
You can bet your ass Wal-Mart would back away from that guy in a heartbeat.
God Bless the circle jerks!
If it werent for a good circle jerk LoST would be dead already.
What is going on with LST? Really, I am not an RP nutjob. I do support the job he has done as congressman, and am not supporting his pres bid. I’m sure I could find scum of the earth thugs that support just about any candidate, even our golden boy in Austin.
Hamous I certainly hope you are labeling me a Nazi. Please clarify.
There are mice are coming out of the woodwork.
Last week I heard a mouse and I finally set some traps, checking a discretely placed trap I said to myself “got one, it’s still alive, look at that tail! SNAKE!
Man, getting rid of a mouse is easy, the snake slithered off under a cupboard door, and I’m really not sure of a “safe” way to get it.
I’ve sealed (taped) the door but I know that is only temporary, that snake is still in my house.
#45 And yet, here you are again. The consummate middle man
AZ - where on earth did you get that idea?
Dr. Paul has addressed the issue, and a while back, when he wrote that racism is collectivism.
Why not bring up Jews for Ron Paul? Because it would have been also ridiculed.
Most of what goes at LST, and it has been going on for a long time, with regards to Dr. Paul has been just to ridicule. Very few exceptions.
This is why I only visit every so often.
There is nothing on this issue except smear and best ignored but with the ADL getting involved, it will probably get national attention, Dr. Paul will have a good opportunity to address the issue once and for all on the national stage. Hopefully, Jews for Ron Paul will volunteer to be part of a press conference on the issue. No doubt that the same tired ole Paul’s detractors will find something to smear the JFRP.
And I will not smear the RP detractors on their new alliance with the ADL.
Matt, You analogy is flawed. WalMart pulled the shirt because of the numbers of people that would recognize it as a symbol of racism.
Such a relationship does not exist with Ron Paul, despite the nefarious and persistent efforts of the RonPaulTimes to create it.
Wow, Hamous, you can’t refute the substance of my arguments so you claim I must be a Nazi. That is intellectually lazy and I trust the good readers of LST to recognize that.
When you can’t win with facts, label your opponent an “enemy” and appeal to base emotions rather than reason. This is the classic “populist” tactic that has been used to great effect by scoundrels and enemies of freedom throughout the ages.
Hamous, 43
yes or no
Of course not AZ. Once again, why would you even think that?
Thirty-one comments before wanda gag invoked (sort of) Godwin’s Law.
Argumentum ad Nazium, good people on the Right. Or if you prefer, reductio ad Hitlerum.
This thread (unlike RP in my opinion) is climbing real fast however some of the post’s on here have brought up some bad gut wrenching feelings.
Ciao all. On to better things
Hamous you made a broad statement in #43, I asked for clarity before commenting on it, you have supplied the clarity so there is nothing for me to comment on since it was not about me. See clarity works when applied with honesty. I did not accuse you, I asked first.
thank you!
I’d point out that you guys just published a swastika, then called Paul a racist.
tasteless… and real tacky
FACT: A man and organization that espouses Nazi beliefs support Ron Paul
FACT: We have never accused Ron Paul of being a Nazi or espousing their beliefs
FACT: We believe it important to know Ron Paul’s stance on those groups.
FACT We are simply requesting that Ron Paul return the money and distance himself from those people.
FACT: Ron Paul is not “our enemy”
FACT: As part of the electorate of the United States of America we have the right to ask our candidates for the highest office in the land to explain or clarify their positions on any given subject.
FACT: Exposing truth is not smearing.
Ain’t living in a democratic republic grand?
Think I’ll join you, Dov. White supremacists or their apologists - I’m not seeing much difference today.
Please refer to Dr. Paul, in his own words, as reposted in comment #7, which appeared in the issues section of his web site a few days ago. His position, along with the rainbow coalition of employees working on his campaign seems to effectively answer these questions.
As for my “enemy” comment, I was referring specifically to comment #43 which suggests that those of us attacking the intellectual validity of this article and the subsequent comments are “Nazi’s,” not the motives of LST, which I read and generally enjoy, even when I disagree.
And last time I checked, even nazi’s could vote in this country. If you don’t like it, move to Germany. It’s illegal to even mention Nazi’s there. Is that what you want?
What if the white people want their candidate to distance from blacks? What if Jews want theirs to distance from Catholics? Where do you draw the line? I saw you don’t.
If a racists likes you, that’s another vote. If a grandma likes you, that’s another vote. Should the grandma not vote for you because a racist did too?
If we eliminated candidates based on their donations from racists, we wouldn’t have any candidates.
Every campaign has gotten donations from racists… are we going to start taking personality tests before we can donate?
Racists like beer and bread and sex… I aint given up a one, and I’m not saying sorry. And I’m not a racist.
If you think Paul should give the money back, then a LOT of you should give your money back to your bosses cause I bet you work with a racist.
Squawk
Is it more than Don Black - have there been more donations?
Really? Where did we call him a racist?
The very first reference to “racist” or “racism” was by one of your fellow travelers.
#43, Hamous
that is correct, however just like the governors race, and the 92 and 96 presidential races, those that are blind to the truth will sit here and refuse to discuss that which is important about the person running, like the fact that RP wants to go back to early 20th century isolationism, or that he has said nothing about what he would do with regards to immigration reform,(at least that I can find).
I mean the man sits there and talks about his pocket constitution, but I have yet to see any discussion about how or what he wants to do to get back to the constitution. I hear blah, blah, blah….
To take a line from Shakespear…
Sorry.. one more thing. Fox News and the Wallstreet Journal have the same master, if you’re curious. I’d hardly call them credible anymore. And this is coming from someone who used to respect the Journal.
Ok, more things… #65, he said we get back to the Constitution by….um…. following it.
Bweldon, you aren’t looking very hard…
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform/
The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:
* Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
* Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
* No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
* No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
* End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
* Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.
You don’t think there are a large number of people who equate white supremacy with racism? Wal-Mart rightly backed away when it accidentally got mixed up with a racist symbol.
Ron Paul refuses to back away when he accidentally got mixed up with racist activists. And his disciples actively defend his inaction.
FACT: The Ron Paul campaign has confirmed unequivocally that this support is unwanted and unsolicited: “Until three days ago, neither Dr. Paul nor anyone else in the campaign had any idea who Don Black was or is. We’ve never met or communicated with him. We did not solicit his support.” (http://lonestartimes.com/2007/10/30/rpb2)
FACT: Several prominent LST contributers have directly insinuated as much. One has even directly equated defense of Paul against this smear with closeted support for neo-nazism.
FACT: Ron Paul’s campaign already gave an unequivocal answer to that question: “[W]hat you’ve described is certainly repugnant, and completely anathema to everything Dr. Paul stands for.” Despite that clear condemnation, several here on LST have continued asking the same question in plain bad faith as if it had never been answered.
FACT: Ron Paul already *has* distanced himself from those people. While he has not publicly stated what he intends to do (or perhaps has already done) with the donation, this will come out in due time when the next disclosure filing is made. Until then it is disingenuous to insinuate his support for the donation.
FACT: Ron Paul, a minor presidential candidate polling at about 5%, has been the subject of more critical articles on LST in the last 3 months than any other presidential candidate, including those polling at 4 or 5 times his level. And yes, that even includes BigJolly’s weekly roundup on Fred Thompson
That you do, but you also have the obligation to recieve their answers fairly when those answers are made in good faith. Several around here have not done so.
Wait, I’m confused. Does the Good Doctor valiantly defend the Constitution as it’s written, or does he want to change it? Because ending birthright citizenship would require a constitutional amendment.
He refused to back away cause he’s not a panda bear.
And “Really? Where did we call him a racist?”
You published a swastika in his logo like it’s a joke. What more do you need to do in order to accuse him of being a racist/nazi.
The way I see it though, you published the swastika, not him. DISTANCE FROM YOURSELF! HURRY!
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So Fox and the WSJ are not credible? But the Dishonorable Doktor Ron Paul is?
That’s rich.
Of course, I guess it takes that kind of delusion to ignore the reality of Herr Paul.
Oh, and by the way - regarding the claim that “FACT: We have never accused Ron Paul of being a Nazi or espousing their beliefs”…
In case you haven’t noticed there’s a logo at the top of this page with a giant red swastika implanted in the middle of Ron Paul’s name.
If you want to call him a nazi or whatever, fine. I’ll point out that it’s a cheap political smear, but if that’s the position you are going to take so be it. But at least be man enough to own up to what you are doing. Don’t call him a nazi (or plaster a swastika across his name) and then lie about it in plain view of the very same thread.
Re: comment #72 - Dr. Paul does support the Constitution, which includes supporting the means created by the Constitution to amend the Constitution. His issue is that politicians ignore their obligation to follow the amendment process and just pass unconstitutional laws instead.
75,
You need glasses. There’s no swastika in Ron Paul’s name. Why did you lie about that?
lame
76.
Guess what? Just bedcause The Dishonorable Dr. Paul says it’s unconstitutional don’t make it so. That job belong to the Supreme Court - that is, if you follow the Constitution.
Mountain out of a molehill. I personally think you sank to a pretty low low using that swastika logo with Paul’s name. No one, including you, thinks he has any such tendencies. So what you did was despicable.
My own suspicion about Paul is that he doesn’t care about much that is unrelated to his 100-years-out-of-date economic philosophy. He probably doesn’t want to focus on anything else — you have to admit, he’s pretty nerdy.
the oath of office, of which EVERY elected official takes is to “swear to uphold and defend the Constitution, from all enemies foreign and domestic.” The supreme court is just one third of the process.
I wonder if I’m not just on a Internet flamers heaven cause you guys seem kinda irrational.
77 - There’s no need to be anal, Rick, even though it is apparently what you do. The swastika is splattered across a modified Ron Paul logo, and the intent is plainly to suggest his sympathy for nazism.
I suspect you would object if somebody took…say…the letterhead for your law firm and modified it to where a giant swastika appeared along side your name. I also suspect you would take issue when the very same people who made the fake logo adamantly denied ever calling you a “nazi” and purported in plain bad faith that they were only inquiring into whether or not you associate with other nazis.
Matt I think that anchor babies and birthright citizenship was mandated by the the courts in the 60’s… Cause as far as I know that there is nothing in the constitution that talks about immigration or citizenship in those levels.
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You admit Paul has not personlly, with his own pipsqueak voice, addressed this issue?
If he has, please post it here.
If he hasn’t, well, enough said.
Why the hell would he want to post anything here?
82,
I don’t take money from Nazis. The same can’t be said about the Paul campaign, can it?
sorry though you meant paul should post
84 - Why should Ron Paul have to respond to you, Rick? Would you respond to an obviously hostile blog like the Daily Kos if they called you up in the middle of a presidential campaign and demanded that you personally answer a loaded set of questions designed to insinuate you support Adolph Hitler?
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Cite me a case holding that the President (or a goofy congressman) gets to decide what laws are constitutional. I will post a whole piece about it.
I wonder if there’s a libel or slander suit for Dr. Paul against your website.
#86 - Question Rick - have you ever done criminal defense work? Have you ever represented a client you know to have been in the wrong?
85 and 88
Pay attention. I never said he should respond to me. I’ve always said he should personally address it, not hide behind some milquetoast spokesman.
Please show me where he personally has addressed it - in any forum.
#69, like I said I have not done extensive research on Mr. Paul because his foreign policy views eliminate him from my list of potential candidates…
That being said, I have over the past few months failed to see a SINGLE supporter of RP try to discuss the merits of his campaign. All I hear is bitching and moaning about how he is being disrespected, how he is being ignored, how he is being mocked, how he is being accused of being a Nazi, yadda yadda yadda….
If you support him then tell me WHY… What is is specifically about his platform and campaign points that make you feel so strongly about this man being the one who should be our next president. Until then you and all of your fellow RP supporters are nothing more than voices raging against the hurricane as it comes ashore…..
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Nice try, Phillibuster, but NO.
94 - So just to be clear, you are saying that throughout your entire 20 or 30-something year legal career, you have never represented a single client, be they criminal or civil, who was in the wrong in some capacity or another?
“Cite me a case holding that the President (or a goofy congressman) gets to decide what laws are constitutional. I will post a whole piece about it.”
Ok, how about a whole bunch…. not specific.
President Regular Vetoes Pocket Vetoes Total Vetoes Vetoes Overridden
George Washington 2 2
John Adams 0
Thomas Jefferson 0
James Madison 5 2 7
James Monroe 1 1
John Q. Adams 0
Andrew Jackson 5 7 12
Martin Van Buren 1 1
William Harrison 0
John Tyler 6 4 10 1
James Polk 2 1 3
Zachary Taylor 0
Millard Fillmore 0
Franklin Pierce 9 9 5
James Buchanan 4 3 7
Abraham Lincoln 2 5 7
Andrew Johnson 21 8 29 15
Ulysses Grant 45 48 93 4
Rutherford Hayes 12 1 13 1
James Garfield 0
Chester Arthur 4 8 12 1
Grover Cleveland 304 110 414 2
Benjamin Harrison 19 25 44 1
Grover Cleveland 42 128 170 5
William McKinley 6 36 42
Theodore Roosevelt 42 40 82 1
William Taft 30 9 39 1
Woodrow Wilson 33 11 44 6
Warren Harding 5 1 6
Calvin Coolidge 20 30 50 4
Herbert Hoover 21 16 37 3
Franklin Roosevelt 372 263 635 9
Harry Turman 180 70 250 12
Dwight Eisenhower 73 108 181 2
John Kennedy 12 9 21
Lyndon Johnson 16 14 30
Richard Nixon 26 17 43 7
Gerald Ford 48 18 66 12
Jimmy Carter 13 18 31 2
Ronald Reagan 39 39 78 9
George H.W. Bush 29 15 44 1
William Clinton 36 1 37 2
George W. Bush 2 2
Amendment 14:
Of course, we may quibble over the definition of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” but current law and practice are pretty clear.
#96, what does that prove? a persident does not veto something because it is unconstitutional. In many cases the veto is based upon other issues, including money and or other political plans….
Rhys, vetoes do not have to do with the constitutionality of laws.
A law, by its definition, is something that has already been enacted. It has either been signed by the president, or the president’s veto has been overturned by Congress.
So no, a president does not get to determine the constitutionality of laws. In deciding whether or not to veto, he may consider the potential constitutionality of bills.
#93, this is what I like about him. There’s a LOT ore I like about him too, especially his fiscal policy. I can provide a LOT of econ material about him and his Austrian Econ, if you’d like. For now, read this:
Working Americans like lower taxes. So do I. Lower taxes benefit all of us, creating jobs and allowing us to make more decisions for ourselves about our lives.
So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA are a threat to our independence as a nation.
The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them.
We must stop special interests from violating property rights and literally driving families from their homes, farms and ranches.
The biggest threat to your privacy is the government. We must drastically limit the ability of government to collect and store data regarding citizens’ personal matters.
The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked.
Americans are justifiably concerned over the government’s escalating intervention into their freedom to choose what they eat and how they take care of their health.
It is the federal government that most divides us by race, class, religion, and gender. Through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails.
Our nation’s promise to its seniors, once considered a sacred trust, has become little more than a tool for politicians to scare retirees while robbing them of their promised benefits. Today, the Social Security system is broke and broken.
The federal government does not own our children. Yet we act as it if does by letting it decide when, how, and what our children will learn. We have turned their futures over to lobbyists and bureaucrats.
Ha! Some libertarian you are.
“he may consider the potential constitutionality of bills.”
And not, “he may”. More like, “he shall”. We don’t have that now. We have “he probably wont”
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This is a shadier area than you may think. There are many instances in U.S. history where presidents have refused to “execute” laws they believed to be unconstitutional, and have even gotten away with it.
and im republican!
But not RON PAUL. The RPAcolytes are fond of pointing out that “comments” made by Ron Paul in his news letter in earlier were written by “ghost writers”.
“Insinuated” does not equal accusing. You are now insinuating that we are “acussing” Ron Paul a Nazi.
See my reply above.
Thank you for making my point.
Yep Ron Paul is a minor candidate. As you and I both know, in pol