If nothing else, the 2008 Presidential race is showing that a candidate can go around the traditional media, straight to the people and make huge strides in public awareness.
Ron Paul was the first to take advantage of it, raising huge amounts of money and attracting a diverse group of fanatical believers. Unfortunately for Mr. Paul, it has not resulted in significant gains in public polls, for any number of reasons.
Mike Huckabee has also used the new media to get his message out. With very little money, he has managed to move into second place in Iowa polls behind Mitt Romney and third in national polls behind Rudy Giuliani and Romney. A new poll out shows stunning success in Florida, where he came in second to Mr. Giuliani:
Rudy Giuliani (26%)
Mike Huckabee (17%)
John McCain (13%)
Mitt Romney (12%)
Fred Thompson (9%)
Ron Paul (3%)
Duncan Hunter (1%)
Tom Tancredo (1%)
Undecided (18%)
We are just over a month away from Iowa and the rhetoric is sure to rise. Millions will be spend in the traditional media to stop Huckabee and Paul from gaining. Paul has the ability to fire back should he choose to, Huckabee has a bit of money to spend but will have to continue to rely upon word-of-mouth and non-traditional media.
It’s going to make for a very interesting month. Will the plethora of negative ads, negative traditional media stories and outright distortions, lies and smears that we will hear from the guys with the most money and establishment support be countered by the direct to the people approach of Huckabee and Paul? Should be interesting and I wouldn’t bet against it.
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carter, clinton not once but twice, bush I, bush II, and now huckabee
enough said - I’m so proud….
Now it will be 30 out of 38 years that the media has picked the candidates (Reagan they hated, but alas CNN wasn’t really going yet)
Man, it took Bannable a whole 6 minutes to slam on Huckabee, you’re slippin’ man.
This is a prime example why you don’t invite little candidates to debates - letting Huckabee with no money and support get 100’s of millions of dollars in free press overwhelming those republicans with organizations and years of HONORABLE public service
Now we have a lyin conivin politician from arkansas that no one heard of having a few thousand idiots in Iowa determine the next president after listen to some good ole country preachin
Great
I kind of like the negative stuff. HEHE Distortions yes, slander probably, but there is also some truth.
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Was heading out the door man I’m glad foryet another try to put some sense into BigJolly before his man takes what little money we are going to have when ole Hucky is finished saving all those children at our expense
business will be good for me - bad for you guys - bad for America - lots of foreigners are asking me about buying this company and that company - and don’t think for one minute they are going to stay in a TaxHikeMike government - its offshore baby for those jobs
Recession naw how bout depression - then we will all be listening to the radio cause the cable bill got 100 dollars more a month in taxes
2.6 times the spending coming soon to a Federal Government near you
Hamas has a little tear in their eye right now…..
vote Huckabee, doing to America what he did to Arkansas……….
Bannable
Just curious, who do think should be the next President? You do not seem to like anyone.
Ohh,…CRAP! bigjolly has done it again. He said “noR luaP” Cha-Ching. I hear the counter clicking already.
He does support one candidate and the guy is a decent conservative. I’ve tried to tell him he should be singing his praises instead of attacking everyone else but alas, I have failed to convince him that this isn’t 1787. So, the negatives continue.
Nah, I said it in a positive way. They only show up if you say something negaive. We’re safe.
I do think it is interesting that the media seems fond of the two most liberal Republicans - Rudy and Huck.
RickG,
It depends upon which media. I was listening to the Bill Press show on the way in this morning and they were talking up Ron Paul, almost as much as the Paulbots do on the net. Very interesting.
Trl3
Fred, is the most conservative but there are his health issues and the fact that most people don’t like him saying we are going to make serious cuts in entitlements
BigJolly
Your guy is a proven liar - I don’t need to talk up Fred
He’s a federalist
He’s a tax CUTTER
He’s the only candidate to publish white papers - even though he got in to late
Hucky is a proven liar and he will have 4 years to apologize before he starts his reelection bid in 2012
Can America take 24 straight years of out of control liberalism?
See, those type of tactics just don’t work as well as they used to. Saying someone is a liar because you don’t like them or their policies won’t cut it, at least not at this point in the campaign. It probably will work in the general election, who knows?
As AW noted above, a certain percentage of the voting public likes that kind of campaigning but more and more of us would prefer to read for ourselves and form opinions based upon fact, not smear.
I could also ask the question of incessant hucky supporters - why is it so important to raise taxes on your fellow bloggers, neighbors, family and ruin their lives by putting the country certainly into a deep recession or even a great depression
In this hour of need we don’t need pie in the sky lyin spenders from the same state that gave us bill and hill
Now lets be fair, a buddy of mine has 121 favorable articles since june on Huckabee and 7 negative ones 3 were on blogs
Don’t cry the victim please its an insult to everyone’s intelligence
16 BigJolly
You know darn well those are proven and he has been caught by every single new media lying about the gas tax, lying about the bed tax, lying about the courts ordering his spending
I’ve posted dozens of links sir and you have never responded to the data accept to say things like I’m a smear merchant
Yet you still post no proof that counters anything except angry denials from the Huckabee camp
Bannable, based on the polls I’ve seen, Thompson could use some talking up by his supporters.
No, I know darn well that that is your spin. That is what I know.
You have a perfectly legitimate candidate that is falling like a rock in the polls because people that support him are spending their time fabricating tales about other candidates.
And please, free publicity? This coming from a supporter of a guy that is on reruns on every freaking cable station in America, every night? Gimme a break.
You have indeed posted many links and in each case commented on them with your spin or smear. I have not responded to you because I think most reasonable people can see what you are doing.
Why I have chosen to engage you today is beyond me.
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Your dodging Jolly, and you know it. There is more than enough evidence from too many independent sources far greater than club for growth for you to ignore.
the real reason you are ignoring is what?
And I’m not a Thompson supporter -
Fred unlike Hucky - had a job and a well paying one - one he earned strangly enough they called him - fred was retired and actually the show that you are bemoaning - I watched it and if anyone thinks that Fred plays a likable character on that show - your stretching.
Thompson plays a mean grouchy supervisor who lets murderers go if they don’t have a strong case
Fred was a senator and a good one, a prosecutor
Huckabee seriously divided his Texarkana congregation, divided the regional SBC and then had 10 contentious years in Arkansas government that had a spate of embarassing incidents.
Huckabee was a three time loser before he got lucky cause Ken Starr has all Arkansas dems on the run.
Please, too many people have caught him lying and now too many people are lying in the media for Huckabee, like Dick Morris comparing all the states vs Huckabee - except he campared a 18 year period to a ten year period of Mikes spending and convienently left off Hucks engorged 2007 budget of 27 billion thats 10 thousand dollars of state spending per man woman and child in Arkansas - vs about 4,000 for Texas
Or is that another smear bringing up an actual Budget well may a bolt from heaven strike me dea……
Note to Dick Morris - some of us took math in HS.
Same for you BigJolly, some of us can use a spreadsheet and read a chart.
Bannable, If you’re not a Thompson supporter, who do you support?
And your engaging me cause you posted that and know on here is surprized are they?
you wanted it, you got it, I can start posting continous series of numbers, tax increases bounces in public spending
Your only retort - ummmm he’s a preacher?
Geez
well we got Clinton twice, both bushes three times, hell even Carter, and between Rudy, Romney and the Reverend there’s not a lick of difference
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I was a Brownbacker
Haven’t made up my mind yet
Eliminated
Ron Paul, Tank, sometimes McCain and Romney
On the edge
Romney, Rudy
Still positive about and probably will donate the max too
Hunter, Fred
Here’s a little about Huckabee that you won’t see too often. Not all good but not all bad.
Here’s another, pretty much a hit piece but not too bad. No real smears, just gives too much weight to ethics complaints. Hey, you know, that blanket was too expensive.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gkfXkg3DkMN5WtJujbQ5FPI-iyZgD8T6I6T00
Post them. Without the smears. People can decide for themselves whether or not they want someone that is effective or if they want the status quo.
Improved roads, improved schools, improved health care.
Or spending on earmarks and pork.
Either way, you are going to be taxed. No one, with the singular exception of Ron Paul, is a fiscal conservative in this race. No one. You just have to decide what you want the money spent on.
Ah, I see you’ve taken the easy way and decided to belittle preachers. Nice. Preachers can’t be trusted, we all know that. Is that what you are saying? Sure it is.
There are huge differences between the people you mentioned above. You choose not to see them. Simply choosing not to see the differences doesn’t mean that they do not exist.
#28
“No one, with the singular exception of Ron Paul, is a fiscal conservative in this race. No one.”
You are correct, sir!
Bingo!
Hmmmm…… if a conservative is not a “fiscal conservative”, are they really a conservative at all?
BigJolly
I just ripped in an email a prominient national blogger who posted a story today that Huckabee’s support in Iowa is because they are anti-mormon
I give him his due
But the AP story - those are facts - footnoted with documents - not Clinton love child rumors
Think Perry instead of huckabee?
If Perry had reimbursed himself 43000 for flying his personal plane on vacation creating a fake company and invoice to hide it and was fined and then sued the ethics commission with the argument that there should be a statutory limit on fraud for politicians?
Who do you think would be at the front of the line - posting the anti-perry article the next day on LST (Benzion cause he’s the owner :))
But on the off chance davids Kid accidently rendered him unconcious in a game of backyard fastpitch - again - you would be right there posting it as the holy scripture that it is.
So don’t blame everyone else out there who DARES to tell Huckabees sordid story
Um…….er……uh……….and a poll from the land where folks can operate 25 BINGO cards simultaneously but CAN’T figure out a simple election ballot is worth_____________??
little_mike, please point to a single bill that Ron Paul has gotten passed that furthers the cause of fiscal conservatives. If a person is ineffective getting legislation passed when in the legislature, what makes you confident they will be able to get legislation passed when they are in the executive?
28 Don’t try guy - its too painfuul for me to do this to you - almost
Improved Schools - translated - more taxes for you and me
Improved Healthcare - translation - more entitlements for illegals more taxes for you and me
I think you see where this is going
He also raised the minimum wage too
I dunno, Mr. Fish, how much is a poll worth in South Carolina?
Clemson U just released a poll showing Romney now has the lead there, Fred dropping to # 2 and guess who at # 3? Oh, and Rudy dropped all the way to #5.
If people would start talking about Fred’s policy positions (very good, btw), maybe, just maybe the freefall would stop.
Not true at all. More effective use of the money raised. Hey, it’s that choice or you could continue building highways to nowhere.
Smearing a preacher
Fact
Huckabees a preacher and is giving sermons on the stump
Tacky but okay
Fact
Huckabee is habitually lying in the debates
Tacky - not okay
Huckabee is a preacher whose lying - is not equal to smearing all preachers
Jesus was a preacher, lots of people in the bible were - lots of great great people were
Huckabee’s book of lookatme has not been included in the bible - yet
#30 little mike
I jes calls ‘em as I sees ‘em.
Polls with 3 or more strong candidates break down - so its really a ballot box kind of thing
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Care to put that to an LST vote?
Okay I’m done
Vote For Huckabee - you’ll never look at America the same way again
Doing for America what he did for Arkansas
Nothing that’s been posted here backs up that statement. I can, however, think of one LST commenter here who habitually “invents” truth…
Yeah, I’ll put that to a vote. Let’s poll LST voters and see how many of them think the government is going to reduce spending. Okay?
The only one that would reduce spending is, you guessed it, Ron Paul. With everyone else, it is a question of how fast they allow the gov’t to continue to grow. If fiscal conservatism is your only requirement for a candidate, you only have one choice.
No No No don’t change the question
Here’s the poll:
When Gov Huckabee says he improved roads, schools and healthcare in Arkansas he:
Lowered Taxes
Decided to run for President
Raised Taxes
Decided to put a hit out on that guy in Doha
So you are admitting Hucky will raise taxes and spending?
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Self reflection is good for the soul
So there it is Post my poll post your poll, Hamous is getting testy and I have a function to go to
Thanks for the good debate - until the next one
I’m not giving the pocketbooks of my fellow citizens up without a fight
Bannable, I thought the question was,
When Huckabee says he improved schools in Arkansas, he:
A. Increased Taxes
B. Found more effective ways to spend money
C. Both
Seems like you can be fiscally responsible and raise taxes when there is a need. Where did Arkansas stand before Huckabee was Governor, where do they stand now? Is there any correlation between policies instituted by Huckabee and any changes in the schools performance?
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Polls can be manipulated and I believe, most of the time, they are used to manipulate the voters.
Duncan Hunter is the best man for the job….GO HUNTER!
#48 - Despite what others say about LST it takes a helluva lot to get banned. He may be like that skeeter buzzing around your ear but he hasn’t done anything bannable. If you are banned from LST it is because you truly deserve it and not for your wacky politics.
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Education improved in Arkansas in a 20 year effort started by Senator Bumpers, pushed by Hill and Bill and Jin Guy Tucker according to the data Texpat posted awhile back
No one before credited Huckabee with improving anything out of the ordinary - and Huck has said it but not posted anything other than opeds no studies or proof.
Plus
How much more improvement can the good taxpayers stand?
thats a thought
The most conservative candidates are at the bottom of the heap/poll.
America RIP!
The gov media complex runs the show.
I love dancing monkeys…
I don’t much like dancing monkeys.
More spin. Even the hit pieces usually acknowledge the improvements before they cry about “increased tax burden”. People enjoy traveling to work on safe roads, I know I do.
From the hit piece I posted above:
see the republican party has given us a choice in the primaries and we know 1 candidate that would cut spending. would he ignore the rest of the platform?
bigjolly
Self hate is not a very good quality to have. You are a dancing monkey. This place is full of them.
Why am I a dancing monkey?
I’m a happy dancing monkey. I don’t disco dance, though. But it could be worse. I could be a Cedar Chopper…
Life is good. DANCE, MONKEY, DANCE!
eh marará¡ i lle llea…
“You are about to embark on a journey.
You are going to visit monkeys, dolphins, and people…”
I look around and all I see are politicians on the take
I look at me I am the same but I don’t notice
And I have learned that everybody has a price tag on his head
Though it’s money that will make the monkey dance
Yes it’s money that will make the monkey dance
And it’s money that will make the monkey dance
Yes it’s money that will make the monkey, monkey, monkey dance…
On Sunday mornings when I went went to church a buck was always made
A true parade to pave the way into the glory
And 30 coins was all they paid for all the ways I should behave
Though it’s money that will make the monkey dance
Yes it’s money that will make the monkey dance
And it’s money that will make the monkey dance
Yes it’s money that will make the monkey dance
And I have paid my way through life I’ve kept myself so far removed
From everyone and everything that could be purchased
I will collect what I’ve put in my piggy bank is locked within
Though it’s money that will make the monkey dance
Yes it’s money that will make the monkey dance
And it’s money that will make the monkey dance
And though my pockets have a hole I feel content within my soul
I’ve been sincere with all the customers encountered
I can’t complain I’m rich in love and I must thank my God above
Though it’s money that will make the monkey dance
Yes it’s money that will make the monkey dance
And it’s money that will make the monkey dance
Yes it’s money that will make the monkey dance
– Nil Lara
No one seems to be talking about Huckabee’s deplorable position on immigration. As far as I can tell it seems to be “Come on in! The water’s fine.”
Fiscally, he’s at least somewhat suspect, he has no experience in foreign affairs, he’s somewhat conservative in social areas, but frankly I doubt that he has the cojones to stand up to a contrary congress or a hostile media.
#35 - Hey a valid pernt suh!
I officially will now begin studying “My man Fred”
………….back to you soonest…..
Back from cutting another ribbon
BigJolly
In all honesty we could go back to the nanny state
In other words
Improvements for some, mean taxes for others - lots and lots of taxes
People generally hate more taxes
Rudy Romney and the Reverend didn’t meet a tax they couldn’t hike
#42 Hamous
I can imagine who you are talking about but just as a guess are his Initials BANNABLE LECTURER?
Bannable, we cannot “go back” to the nanny state. We are in it and will remain in it because LBJ’s policies (brought about by Goldwater splitting the Republicans so) have created a permanent underclass. To rid yourself of the underclass, you have to eliminate those programs or design them so that people rise out of them.
My contention is that only one candidate has even addressed that - Huckabee. I still think Romney would be a better choice at this point, although I’m pretty much tired of his negative campaigning style against all other candidates.
Rudy, Fred, Mitt, and McCain have only themselves to blame for letting Huckabee and Paul gain on them. All four of the supposed “top tier” candidates decided to skip the Values Voter debate, a disastrous decision.
You would think their high-priced campaign consultants would know better. Huckabee and Paul placed first and second in voting at that debate, and have been moving up ever since.
Huckabee’s ascent is even more surprising than Paul’s, since Huckabee has done it with just a fraction of the money Paul has been raking in, and despite a spending record in Arkansas that would make George W. Bush blush.
Dance Monkeyboy!
I’ll buy a bunch of monkeys, dress them up, and make them re-enact the civil war. - Homer Simpson
I’ll do a crooked little dance with my funny little monkey - Marilyn Manson
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Bigjolly
if we double the pay of the teachers will education improve, triple it?
things will improve when - we end entitlements and everyone has to work for a living
When teachers unions discuss quality instead of quantity $$$$
Now this is stupid
But hey its the Grey Lady Huckabee’s ahead because evangelicals like him - not because they are racist intolerant mormon haters
But leave it to the times to try and embarass voters to switch
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us/politics/28repubs.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin
Did I say anything about doubling or tripling teacher pay? Did I say anything about raising anything to improve it?
No, I didn’t. Go figure.
What I said was that it is about what a leader does with the resources he is given by the voters. You can spin it all day long, but the facts are that Arkansas is a better (much better) state for doing business or sending your kids to school than it was before Huckabee took over.
What is your guy going to do? How is he going to reduce entitlements? Tell me about that.
LOL
In # 31 above you say:
to get sympathy points, I guess. Then in # 71, you go ahead and post it, trying to tie it to Huckabee. It’s that kind of commentary that isn’t helping your guy.
It is my observation that anyone who claims to be a fiscal conservative and a “compassionate” conservative ends up losing the conservative in fiscal area.
Anyone knows of an exception?
If it’s Huckabee and Clinton, or Huckabee and Obama, Huck gets my vote. Right now I am a Duncan Hunter fan. I don’t necessarily have to back a winner, just someone who stands for what I believe.
Ron Paul is the only offering are freedom back from the government. Yes… he has broad support this is a guy who could actual do this country alot of good. Ron Paul is backed by the people and big business. Don’t be fooled!