KHARTOUM, Sudan — Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear “Muhammad.”
The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.
They massed in central Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed. They did not try to stop the rally, which lasted about an hour.
“Shame, shame on the U.K.,” protesters chanted.
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he protesters called for Gibbons’ execution, saying, “No tolerance: Execution,” and “Kill her, kill her by firing squad.”
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Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes — but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday’s rally was not organized by the government.
A Muslim cleric at Khartoum’s main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.
“Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion,” the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.
“This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad,” he said.
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Insaniity.
Wino has a better name for it than the religion of peace.
Children love thier Teddy Bears. So what is wrong with calling a beloved Teddy after a so called beloved Prophet. They name thier children Muhammad after this so called prophet, would a child’s name also be a crime.
Religion of C R A P!
These people are totally unacceptable to the human race. iSlAm needs to be eradicated. The ROP is a farce. There is no such thing as peace in iSlamIc teachings. It is not a Religion it is a CULT. and the only Peace they want is our unislamic heads (piece) after they behead us.
What began as a pedophiles teachings has nowhere to go but down.
Folks it comes down to the fact that the only people in places like that who have any education are the ones spewing the crap that you heard from that one IMAN….
When people are educated they realize that those people are no better than Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They are poverty pimps to that are 10 times worst than any we have over here….
Is there ANYTHING that DOESN’T outrage them?
Let’s see:
Saudi woman gang raped, for being in a car with a man she is not married to. Then gets lashes for it.
Teddy bear named Mohamed gets woman jailed and life threatened.
France is burned AGAIN by “youths” (wink-wink).
Bhuddists beheaded in Thailand (nearly daily).
Guess who was responsible for this in the month of October:
Jihad Attacks: 242
Countries: 19
Dead Bodies: 1252
Critically Injured: 2287
4, Dov, you sound just like them. Please tell us how your “kill them all” strategy is superior their “kill her” strategy.
I think I will go out and buy a black rat and name it Mu-ham-mad in honor of those great folks in that litter box know as Sudan.
Simple solution, For those of us who are sending them money, or over there teaching them modern life, Just take the money and teachings, leave and let them all go back to the 14th century
WB
Those people obviously haven’t heard of “Politically Correct”ness. Maybe we should export that to them or demand they “PC” everything or suffer not getting any foreign aid. The liberals are good at demanding it here and if it’s good enough for us, then it must be good for the rest of the world (or so a liberal would have you believe). It’s amazing how many dumb things are done in the name of “religion”!!!
“let them all go back to the 14th century”
I think that’s the problem. They haven’t left the 14th Century.
This is just awful stuff. These folks are out of control with their religious fanaticism. God Bless America!
You can’t be serious, izzy. Are you really equating Judeo-Christian beliefs in America with rampaging lunatics calling for the hanging of a schoolteacher for naming a freaking teddy bear Mohammed?
If it were true Islamic terrorism was a disease born of poverty and ignorance, we would not have had 19 educated, middle and upper-middle class men hijack planes and fly them into buildings killing 3,000 people.
If it were true Islamic terrorism was found amongst only a small fraction of Muslims, their violence and hatred would not be met with silent acquiescence of the masses.
# 7 Ghost Rider
I did not say anything about “kill them all”. You did. I said Islam needs to be eradicated. It is a cult of violence and is unacceptable. People can be taught, educated and there are many ways to remove Islam far short of killing them all.
#4 Dov says:
Um, weren’t you doing a bunch of self-righteous moaning just yesterday about how terrible the holocaust was for your people? But evidently you think it’s perfectly acceptable to eradicate non-Jews. Your hypocrisy astounds me.
#13hamous
what’d I say? Can’t we agree that this reaction by the Sudanese is awful stuff? By your reaction to my post, you’d think I said give the teddy bear 40 lashes. Jesus.
There was a group of respected Muslim physicians in the UK earlier this year who were arrested for sponsoring a violent and murderous terrorist cell. They were affluent, highly educated and had all the advantages of Western civilization available to them. How we can render this evil impotent is the most important question for this century. It will take far more than a war on poverty in Dar al-Islam.
#17 Izzy, based on your past participation in discussions on religion I read your comment as a feeble attempt at irony. If I was wrong, my apologies.
We are in the 14th century, from barbarian attacks to our very Spanish systems of accounting and until the masses remember what it is to be American we will continue to regress into the past.
#16 Maltboy
“self-righteous moaning”
Oh, so that’s all it is. Somehow I mistook it for deep, soul-wrenching horror at the wholesale industrial slaughter of Gypsies, Serbs, Roman Catholic Poles, Czechs and Slovaks, homosexuals, the physically and mentally handicapped, German Lutherans, Russian Orthodox and yes, Jews.
#17 Izzy. Now that I think about it I may have confused you with “houstondem”. Sorry.
That bear has a name, it is Teddy, and it is an insult to his sacred name and icon to be in a mohammadian land.
The question is; What Would Teddy Do?
texpat, we are talking about this group in the Sudan where the average education is that of a 2nd grader if that much. I was not talking about Islam as a whole.
that being said, it just goes to prove that you cannot define any group of people by one one description.
19 hamous
I find irony in all religions, as well as hypocrisy. I’m flattered that you pay such close attention to my posts. I was going to say “the article almost makes me want to vote republican til I read DOV’s #4 post”. But I thought that would be disingenuous. So you weren’t really wrong, but thanks.
Here’s a funny tabloid cover idea from John Cox of Cox and Forkum:
“I don’t think radical Islam has enough leverage in western media….”
http://www.johncoxart.com/2007/11/tabloid_idea.html
#23 Nat
Teddy had already taken Black Jack Pershing under his wing when he became President. Pershing served in the Phillipines during TR’s administration and was instrumental in crushing the Islamic Moro rebellion there.
#25 - Then I take back my sorry and let #13 stand ; - )
#24 bw
I know and I wish it were true all we had to do was just educate them. We’ve tried that and it doesn’t seem to really help.
Here is what I find interesting. Yesterday, ThisIsLondon.com ran a story about this story.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23423342-details/Teddy%20bear%20teacher%20appears%20in%20court%20as%20Islamic%20fanatics%20demand%20execution/article.do?expand=true
Within the ‘comments’ section, most people voiced opinions that critical, rightly so, of the Muslim side of the situation. People were pointing out that the Muslim community wasn’t speaking out and supporting the teacher. They pointed out the lack of tolerance. Some even pointed out that apparently you can’t just leave Islam alone and be left alone.
Of course, this is what I expected because only the most irrational people could possibly defend the Islamic government that is taking this action.
What I find interesting is that ThisIsLondon pulled the comments. You can no longer do a ‘view all’ to see what everyone said. I mean, I expect the press to go out of their way to appease Islam, but I really didn’t expect them to, in essence, silence their readers who were critical of the ‘religion of peace’ in this outrageous situation.
Muhammad, sounds like a good name for my PIG.
#25 izzie
Hey, izquierdo, why don’t you try reading Dov’s number 15 comment.
A high caliber education, taught by Fred’s million man Army.
Its all that cousin marrying going on. Didn’t work in Kentucky either ; - )
What we do not appreciate is that the U.S. is the radical nation: We represent and foster a fundamental change in how people live and are governed.
The world is stuck in totalitarianism, oligarchy and tribalism. We believe in and work for individual rights, even rights for women. That makes us anathema in much of the world.
We also believe in the right to pursue happiness, not the right to have it (or to be as miserable as everyone else). That adds to how the U.S. is hated, especially among Muslims, who nearly never admit individual fault, and liberals, who believe all but the elite should suffer in sameness.
If there is a secular answer short of thorough genocide … think Jericho … it is in convincing Muslim moms that their kids can be something other than a suicide bomber.
However, just the idea of women thinking is resisted in much of the Islamic world. Meanwhile, the Koran believing masses recognize what that book says, that death in jihad is the surest route to paradise.
Although the culture of death is too widespread, Westerners tend to worship life. Muslims worship death.
To survive for the foreseeable future, we must kill lots and lots of them. I see no conflict in praying for our safety and our soldiers’ safety and for the souls of ourselves, our soldiers and those in the soldiers’ sights.
#30 Peter
They seem to have closed the comments on that article, but this related, updated article has plenty of comments:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23423885-details/Thousands%20of%20Islamic%20fanatics%20wielding%20knives%20demand%20jailed%20teddy%20bear%20teacher%20is%20executed/article.do?expand=true#StartComments
# 16 Maltboy
Please refer to my post at # 15
People, even Islamics can be taught, educated, converted. There are many ways to eradicate a cult that follows the teachings of a pedophile without killing one person.
I am probably one of the greatest opponents of killing someone yet Islam is still a cult that can be done away with. I have several Iraqi and Iranian friends and guess what ? They are Christians. They recognize a better way.
Where did you see ANY hypocracy ? Like I said anyone can be educated and taught.
I have been searching for a name for my “other” Windows PC. One I call the anti-Christ and now the “other’s” name shall be Muhammad.
#32 texpat
please reread Dov’s #4:
The ROP is a farce. There is no such thing as peace in iSlamIc teachings. It is not a Religion it is a CULT. and the only Peace they want is our unislamic heads (piece) after they behead us.
What began as a pedophiles teachings has nowhere to go but down.
Now, substitute the word christian for islam…. sounds just like those Sudanese fanatics
#37 Dov
Islam is defined as:
1. A monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to God and to Muhammad as the chief and last prophet of God.
2.The people or nations that practice Islam; the Muslim world. The civilization developed by the Muslim world.
Based on your comment that “these people are unacceptable to the human race”, followed by “Islam needs to be eradicated”, it is only reasonable to conclude that you are condoning genocide of Islamic people. I’m not the only person who read your words this way.
#39 izquierdo
Huh, what ? Exactly what is your point, sir ?
How, then, can it NOT be insulting or blasphemous to give the name “Muhammad” to someone that’s a total moron or idiot? I have to believe it’s far more disrespectful to be a clown or human jackass bearing that name then for a stuffed bearing same.
41 texpat
What is your point in asking me to read #4 Dov”s post? Don’t play coy…..
#40 Maltboy
Stop putting words in people’s mouths. Dov didn’t write about genocide and you are being dishonest by insisting he did.
#21 Texpat
I find it interesting that you and other holocaust permavictims insist on maintaining sole ownership of the moral high ground surrounding THE holocaust (as if it were the only one), but when you rail against Nazi anti-Semitism, you never bother to denounce (or even care about) the 12 million Russian civilians who died due to German aggression, or the 16 million (give or take 5 million) Chinese civilians who were brutally slaughtered by the Japanese army - all during WWII. But they were “different” so they don’t even register a blip on your radar screen.
The Jewish holocaust was real and it was horrible. But it was not the worst atrocity in WWII – not even close. But evidently you and others of your mindset don’t want to know, or just care enough to mention, anything about that. Personally, I think you conveniently overlook them because acknowledgment of other WWII atrocities would threaten to dilute your exclusive ownership rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
#43 izquierdo
There is nothing coy about my question. You insinuate Dov wants to kill all Muslims. Maltboy insists the same thing. Nowhere does that appear in comment #4. You then reply with a comment comparing Christians to murderous Islamic fanatics and you want me not to question exactly what you meant by that absurd statement. Nothing coy about it, pal.
#44 - I quoted his words verbatim. How is that putting words in his mouth? He should either retract them or defend them. Besides, are you his Mommie? Let him defend himself instead of hiding under your apron.
#45 Maltboy
I’ll return to responding to your comments once you actually bother to read what I wrote in #21. I specifically mentioned Russian Orthodox victims of the Nazi regime. Also, while the mass murder of Chinese by the Japanese forces is abhorrent and repugnant, it is not directly related to this line of discussion.
Maltboy
And no, I won’t waste further time with you.
Maltboy, you were the first one to bring the holocaust into this discussion, not Dov.
And, as I recall, when Dov brought it up the other day, it was in the relevant context of people trying to remake the Nazi swastika into a quaint little relic from the rosy past. In that context he was perfectly justified in bringing up the holocaust.
#46 texpat
READ THIS:
These people are totally unacceptable to the human race. iSlAm needs to be eradicated. The ROP is a farce. There is no such thing as peace in iSlamIc teachings. It is not a Religion it is a CULT. and the only Peace they want is our unislamic heads (piece) after they behead us.
What began as a pedophiles teachings has nowhere to go but down.
When DOV says that islam needs to be eradicated, what does that mean to you? Take them to Galveston?
Your problem is that you are very much like those screeching Sudanese….intolerable to the point of hate. But hey texpat, I forgive you. Like Jesus said “let he who is without fault cast the first stone”.
To All
Maltboy is not worth the trouble. Best to just ignor it.
That the “religion” of Islam should go the way of other defunct belief systems that relied on human sacrifice and vengeance under the boots of false gods. Aztecs, Druids, Polynesians, you know the ones where they throw the virgin into the volcano to appease their gods, or strap bombs to their children and convince them that blowing themselves up is their only salvation.
#54 hamous
Clearly, the education system in Florida was better than the one in Texas. The meaning of the sentence is not ambiguous. I’m just not in the mood to tutor grown men in elementary reading skills today.
Mark Steyn called them “state-of-the-art primitives”….Khartoum is where there was mass hysteria that “merely shaking hands with a Westerner would deprive you of your manhood” - the rumor was spread by cell phones and text messaging.
Maybe the folks at STRATFOR were right: just after 9/11, they predicted that eventually the West will be compelled to completely withdraw from the Arab world. Sounds reasonable to me.
Mike gallagher tackled this bit of news today on the radio. You should have heard the angry callers, calling to tell him they would never name their bear Muhammed and standing up for the decision. The women are heard, were in the USA, educated and not so poor they couldn’t afford a phone or radio.
I’d like to remind all the Islamic defenders who write here, it’s their religion that wants to do away with us…. unless of course you follow the man, Mohammed, who did not do one miracle. If ya’all want to condone this religion, then I am all for sending them to live by and with you. Don’t give me, they are all not like this. I know they aren’t all like this. The problem is the psuedo Islamists are raising kids who become fantatics. It’s not something they plan, but it’s happening.
so I read online that someone wants to name his boxer (dog) Mohammed Ali - seems reasonable to me.
# 40
Maltboy
Again. In no way did I mention violence or killing. You can twist or read into my words whatever you like. It was you and one other that mentioned killing. I do not have to defend myself on any front because you decided to profess violence rather than peaceful methods of changing ones ways.
In no post have I ever condoned violence in any way.
Maltboy
I did not mention the Holocaust the other day. I said the swastika was disgusting to me because of what it had been turned in to. I also grabbed the wikipedia showing that it was originally a symbol of good.
However you want to twist it that’s up to you.
izzy
Here’s a good read on Islam. You equate Christian crimes with Islamic ones when you say:
“Now, substitute the word christian for islam…. sounds just like those Sudanese fanatics”
Hardly….
Here’s some thing to think about:
“So the basic tenet of the Christian faith is that people are the children of God, created in His image, and are all of value to Him. The basic tenet of Islam is that some people are chosen by God to be Muslim, but the rest are -not- the people of God, and that a Muslims duty is to expedite Allah’s plan for non-believers to be converted …or dispatched to hell! There are three major differences and distinctions that can be drawn between Christian crimes and the acts committed in Islam’s name. The first difference is that the unfortunate events were limited in both time and scope …they had an end. The second distinction is that terrorists acting from Christian cultures always did their vile deeds in violation its scriptural teaching (the words and example of Christ), not in fulfillment of it, as in Muhammad’s Islam. The third dissimilarity is that people from Christian cultures who perform terrorist acts against others are recognized as criminals, not worshiped as heroes.”
Read the whole thing, especially the part “Non-Muslim Christian Violence”.
http://www.islamundressed.com/#_Toc113793216
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This was the closest I came to referencing the holocaust and it was only done because some said
# 23 gadboy Says:
November 28th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
You’re learning, Jolly. And the answer is…………NO.
(It’s not relevant)
And I responded with
We Six Million Jews are not relevant ? No My A$S. Six million of us irrelevant people disagree with you.
And I ended it with a curse which I should not have done and apologize to any LST’er that was offended by it.
At jihad time, how do you people tell which Koran addicted Moslim “neighbor” wants to cut my head off for being a Christian? They all glare hatefully, alike.
Hamous great post!! and Dov, we won’t forget the six million. If anyone is in doubt this happened, then tell me where all the great aunts, uncles and grandparents are.
Here’s a scary read.
If Iran gets nukes and uses them on Israel, what would happen? Would little ole Israel survive? Would Iran be wiped off the map in return? What about Syria? Egypt? The rest of us, how would we be affected? I gotsta know?
http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Emerging_Threats/Analysis/2007/11/21/walkers_world_a_mideast_nuclear_war/9884/print_view/
A W
I didn’t mean to even bring it up but I wanted to straighten out what I said as compared to what I was accused of saying.
Faster
I have for years thought that Iran is going to get a nuke and aim it at Israel. I believe Israel has the resources to keep it from reaching Israel.
That will show the world that Iran started it not Israel. Than it’s time to take the gloves off. Even Syria, Jordan and Egypt would have to stand their ground as Israel makes a parking lot out of Tehran
Dov, did you read where they have found relics from the time of David, written about in Nehemiah… oh brother I can’t spell that word and if I go do dictionary, I have to retype this. No, I went to my Bible DUH! I think it was on Drudge yesterday.
AW
I am going to have to do some work on locating that tidbit. I was seeing a woman once that was on those digs. Somwhere I read that they even have discovered pieces of vases that have markings on them indicating they had been owned by David.
When you dig in Israel whether or not it is a valuable find you must fill it back in before leaving.
Regarding Mrs. Gibbons’ perilous situation, this would seem to be a good time for the Brits to do a Pedicaris alive–Razuli dead ultimatum a la Teddy Roosevelt in 1902. Or in the alternative, a rescue a la the raid on Entebbe. Bibi Netanyahu could provide invaluable advice on that.
After 11 seasons, there’s a South Park Episode for every occasion.
It was just a matter of time:
Buy your MOHAMMED TEDDY BEARS HERE!
http://www.cafepress.com/bobmccarty.194693988
Gillian is pronounced with a ‘j’ sound, newspeople. I figured out today that along with all else, the ‘religionists of peace’ are Racist.
#27 texpat
Precisely the allusion…
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&x=20071005143134esnamfuak0.9335138&m=October
I have two questions.
1) Would John McShame-McCain water-board any of the protesters?
2)Do you think any of the protesters brains would be visible under a microscope?