Who has the ear of Ron Paul?
by David Benzion · 02/01/2008 3:38 pmUPDATED– Welcome LGF Lizards! (and the inevitable Rabid Paulistinians who will now follow in your wake).
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In other Ron Paul related news, former CIA officer Phillip Giraldi has joined the campaign as a policy adviser. Congratulations to them both.
Why would Paul want to listen to Giraldi?
What attracted Giraldi to the Paul camp?
While we await an official answer, here are some excerpts from a column by Giraldi that appeared last June on “The Huffington Post,” long known as a bastion of Republican intellectual ferment.
I’ve highlighted in bold a few lines that strike me as particularly noteworthy.
All of the leading president-aspirants from both the Democratic and Republican parties have embraced a fictional feel-good vision of the United States and its role in the world that is positively dangerous because it is so wrong. The story goes something like this: there is a gleaming city on a hill that is called the United States. The United States never does anything bad and is not to blame for anything that happens anywhere at any time. The U.S. has been targeted by evil doers called Islamofascists who hate America’s freedoms and who attack our cities for absolutely no reason. Islamofascists also hate Israel, which is a splendid little democracy that the United States has a moral obligation to defend. The war in Iraq is a necessary struggle to keep the evildoers from coming over to the United States to carry out their attacks. If one criticizes the war at all, it is in the context of it being a poorly executed diversion of resources that is impeding the real struggle against the selfsame Islamofascists, which is going on everywhere all the time. Islamofascists have no rights. Torturing them is okay, as long as you don’t call it torture and only if it produces “information that saves lives.” The United States, already exceeding the rest of the world in military expenditures, must spend even more and build a bigger Army and Marine Corps to be truly safe. And then there is Iran. Manifestly evil and something like Nazi Germany. “All options are on the table,” goes and mantra, including pre-emptive war and the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
Bin Laden and the rest of the world are aware, even if the presidential candidates are not, that the United States has used its post-World War Two primacy to invade more countries than all other nations combined. The fact is that in only five years George Bush’s go-it-alone America has become one of the most disliked countries in the world, universally reviled as a leading threat to peace. Everyone but America’s politicians is seemingly aware that the United States supports corrupt, dictatorial regimes worldwide while at the same time talking hypocritically about promoting democracy. When democracy does occur and the result is unpalatable, as has occurred in Palestine and Lebanon, the U.S. pulls the plug.
And then there is Iran, which is really about Israel because Iran does not actually threaten the United States. The Iran agenda includes pre-emptive military action if necessary and the implicit deployment of tactical nuclear weapons to destroy Tehran’s alleged weapons program, both issues that should make even the most hardened politician pause. But all the leading candidates have unflinchingly completed their obligatory obeisance to Israel and its principal lobby AIPAC. All have sworn to defend Israel to the last dead American soldier if that should become necessary though not a single one has bothered to make a coherent argument why that should be so beyond the usual assertions about terrorism, which, incidentally, have themselves been carefully crafted by Israel and its lobby to justify the “special relationship.” The rest of the world sees it all somewhat differently. Israel is engaged in a brutal occupation that is clearly visible on satellite television nightly. Its repression of the Palestinians is enabled by the United States. If the candidates actually believe that the United States should go to war for Israel no matter what Israel does, perhaps they should say so unambiguously. Ignorance of the negative consequences of the U.S.’s writing of a blank check for Israel, which fuels much anti-American sentiment and terrorism, should not be acceptable.
And then there is the support of all the leading presidential candidates for a larger army. Why on earth would the U.S. need more soldiers? To fight more wars, obviously. The wearing down of the armed services due to never-ending involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan has resulted from a series of bad decisions, not because the world’s most competent military was inadequate. More bad decisions to invade other places with a bigger army would not constitute a solution and increased resources only invite the politicians to engage in more mischief. Far better a lean and hungry Pentagon. The rest of the world is not confused by the patriotic rhetoric and crocodile-tear concern expressed by the candidates for “our troops.” It is simply following the presidential debates to learn “Who’s next?” on the Pentagon hit list.
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Ron Paul is either a coward or an idiot. I can’t decide which.
I can’t wait for the guys to tie into this piece. I am just amazed at the people who believe this stuff.
Fast, I think he is both a coward and an idiotic moron. He has the most disgusting view of America’s worth and is dangerous to our lives.
He is like an ant - he needs stepped on - quickly. Its a good thing he has no chance in hades of becoming president
I’m telling ya, Ron Paul is a mental disorder.
On the other hand rather than playing games and stupidly talking about doing a “war on terrorism” as our current Commander-in-Chief (sic) is prone to do, how about nuking anyone who threatens our physical security or who sends mass murderers to do their handy work on 9-11 like Saudi Arabia?
I would not be calling Paul names until you have admitted the the two knuckle heads running for Demo nominee and the grouchy old man [McPain] and the clueless one in the White House are also hopeless fools.
True Conservatives love consistancy!
The author of the above excerpt was a CIA officer so I’m sure he knows a little more than the average citizen about government corruption. At no point does the author blame the AMERICAN PEOPLE. The reason for the troubles today is because of a minority of politicians that serve their own interests. The author is right, remember the Golden Rule, you cannot kill someone’s mother and not expect them to hate you, add on top of that there are extremists as there are in EVERY society that do radical things. Ron Paul is trying to put everything into perspective for the American people. As far as government corruption look up CIA Black Ops and Afghanistan opium production levels before and after we were ordered to enter.
“remember the Golden Rule, you cannot kill someone’s mother and not expect them to hate you”
But it’s ok to blow up retarded girls? That’s America’s fault? You Paulistinians are nuts.
A summary of Joe’s comment above:
1. We deserve terrorism!
2. We have extremists too!
3. The CIA grows opium.
4. Fire cain’t melt steel!
The CIA grows opium.
I thought the Queen of England grew it…
#9 No, she just reaps the profits.
Writers 1-4 are sillies.
Ten Most Corrupt Politicians 2007
http://www.judicialwatch.org/
1. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)
5. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)
6. Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR)
8. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL)
Listen to the wisdom of Dr. Ron Paul at the CNN Florida debate, which he won again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLGMLpA-20
After debate CNN interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbncgMFrgtY&eurl=http://www.dailypaul.com/node/32104
Ron Paul’s new book is currently 4th on Amazon.com and moving up:
http://www.RonPaulBookBomb.com
Dr Paul will raise $1 million + today his 4th best day:
http://www.fiftyoneyears.com
#9 & #10
You both have it wrong. It is the Queen of The Netherlands who grows opium AND owns Royal Dutch Shell. She’s a twofer if I ever saw one !
I bought some lumber real cheap, it was warped and bent a little in each direction, thought I could make a pass on the table saw and have some good utility pieces, the work to make a straight piece was extensive and essentially the result was nothing but trash.
#13 Johnfive: Here’s 5 bucks. Do yourself a favor. Buy yourself a clue.
If it weren’t for a few good folks like bob42 I’d have to assume that all RP guys were like Shimmysham.
#13 johnfive
You win the Friday award for Most Original Composition By A Paulistinian.
Bravo !
Ronulans–wastes of skin
Texpat, hamous & fastern–holy frap, where have these guys been?? Are they trols or really in here alot? LoonieToons I guess!
I wish I could find a picture of a blood thirsty hawk, but I guess I’ll just look in the mirror and eat me some little paulettes.
The Other Ear of Ron Paul
Don’t miss the new post about another new adviser to the Paul campaign on the front page of LST now !
Kent
There are countless Paulistinians hovering over computer screens around the nation, around the clock, monitoring all the RSS feeds, Technorati, etc. for the slightest mention of RP’s name. They pounce like a pack of starved coyotes when they see a mention anywhere.
I don’t, other people call me that. I prefer bipedal carbon based life form.
I don’t watch the news, i get it from the single light bulb hanging in the center of my room. I stare at it long and hard, then stuff just comes to me. That’s why I are so smart.
Ron Popiel is a wuss who wants to pull out like some people’s parent’s should have.
Yeah, I’m bloodthirsty, only in response to a large smoking hole in the ground in NYC. The gauntlet was dropped, not by any one country, but by an ideology that hates America. If you are not smart enough to figure that out, get out of the way so people who know how to deal with it can work. But you people, like baby birds on the echo chambers of the Ron Popeil threads waiting to vent your hatred of this great nation.
Question:
What have YOU ever done in service of this country?
Ron Paul looks at vaginas and makes earmarks for shrimp, that qualifies him to lead us! So, if I drive through Long John Silver’s then stop and get a porno mag, I’ll be just as qualified as Dear Leader!
I was thinking more like Rosie O’Donnel on a fish sandwich.
Fasternu 426 recreating history says,
“Yeah, I’m bloodthirsty, only in response to a large smoking hole in the ground in NYC. The gauntlet was dropped, not by any one country, but by an ideology that hates America.”
What smoking hole did Iraq create?
1. 70%+ of Americans do not want to be in Iraq.
2. 60%+ of Americans do not think Iraq was worth it.
3. Ron Paul voted to go into Afghanistan to fight Al Queada.
4. Going into Iraq was about non existent WMD’s and getting rid of Saddam. Pre-emptive war versus countries that are not a threat to our national security is not a conservative position. Our previous method of bombing suspected locations of WMD’s seems much more sensible and saves 100’s of thousands of lives.
5. Having 700+ military bases in over 130 countries makes no economic sense and causes hatred by extreme groups. The governments of those countries may be okay with it but the citizenship probably has issues with it. If China built a military base here or in Canada with our governments approval, might there be a few citizens who might go to extreme measures to protest?
We as a country house WMD’s. Because Russia or China considers us a threat should they be allowed to invade our country to eliminate the weapons because they don’t like democracy and would like us to set up a socialist or communist government?
How many Iraqi citizens have died in this war? Is 100,000 a reasonable to believe number?
How do you sell this to the world?
A coalition of 20 countries got together and destroyed a good portion of a sovereign nation because they did not like the government and they thought there might be WMD’s there. Of course, the WMD’s were never found which just makes us look that much worse.
So, Ron Paul, wanted us to be more cautious in our approach to policy with Iraq.
Where is the flaw in this?
The overriding philosophy behind Dr. Paul’s beliefs is not one of “blame America” or pacifism. It is the idea that federal government project DO NOT WORK. I have always respected Texans for their keen understanding of this principle. Texans know that what a New York mayor enacts for his constituents with their consent might work in New York, but would never fly in Texas and smacks of fascism if it is enacted without the Texans’ consent. This same principle of restraint of federal power is the glass through which we should be viewing our participation in Iraq and the Middle East. As much as I would love to see most of Middle East a smoldering pile of radioactive dust, I think sacrificing my freedom and liberty to the federal government to do so is far too high a price to pay.
Don’t fall into the trap of burning down your house to kill the mice.
Another Fasternu beaut,
“Ron Paul looks at vaginas and makes earmarks for shrimp, that qualifies him to lead us! So, if I drive through Long John Silver’s then stop and get a porno mag, I’ll be just as qualified as Dear Leader!”
I sure that Long John Silver game plan is typical for you on a Friday night…but no it does not qualify you for anything other than a future date with Dateline’s Chris Hansen.
Ron Paul, on the other hand, is very qualified.
- 10 term REPUBLICAN Congressman
- Ranking member of the House Committee on Financial Services and Monetary Policy
- Air Force Officer during Vietnam
- Endorsed by Reagan throughout his Presidency.
Fasternu,
Is all this in an effort to get on the 1st contributors list?
…who in’ell left the flapper valve in the septic tank line open?
And of course we know all intelligence folks are always reliable:
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/dockwilsonnation.htm
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/05/11/1021002402579.html
Some Paulistas forget that only 1/3 of Americans supported the Revolution against England. Perhaps they think we should give it back?
Almost forgot this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames
WHO is Ron Paul ” A no hit on my hit list ! Ron WHO ?
Okay, if that’s really how they want to portray his service,
g8rVictor & ajtdonahue
I’m all for the restraint of federal power in its insistent efforts to invade every crevice and corner of mine and everyone else’s lives. On the other hand, I exuberantly support a robust intelligence, counter-intelligence and military presence in all parts of the world.
There is a clear, clean line of morality for those who choose to see it concerning our nuclear weapons and those belonging to tyrants and madmen. Ignore it at your own peril and risk looking looking like a foolish idiot. You may not like the role we have inherited in the world and there is no doubt no American would choose it. However, we have to play the hand that is dealt us in the world we live in today, not the world Paul supporters fantasize about.
Is there any dilter to see these bugs before they hit my winshield? eeeewwww, what a slimy mess.
Although that was a pretty funny snappy crack, how ’bout this? The dollar can crash all it wants. (and yes, it’s crashing) I’ve got gold fillings, plus ammo, plus I raise and grow my own food, just to name a few. I can trade goods. Been doing it most of my life, because I am poor.
When the next attack on the U.S. comes, I will miss salt the most.
I’m sick and tarred of you Paulbearers claiming that it’s because we attacked Iraq is the reason why the terrorists hate us. I’ll give you a clue for free. Terrorists want to kill us because we won’t conform to being a (radical) Muslim. (sharia law, which they are already trying to force upon us. Muslim cab drivers ring a bell?) Period.
Let’s just take what you RP wackos say to be true. What did Spain, London or Romania do to these people to bomb their countries? I could go on with other bombing attacks, but I’ll digress….(Not being muslim, is another clue). I’m a generous type of gal. Please feel free to read other threads on this blog. Not just the RP threads.
Don’t worry, I already hear crickets chirping.
Know I KNOW that I ended my bold tag. It’s the Paulbearers fault and a conspiracy against my post!!!!/putting tin foil on the roof now
I know it ended at trade goods. I know it was!!!!
#20, Kent, the above are but a sample of the PaulBearers who swoop in here at any mention of RP and try to dominate things with their nonsense and illogic. They give trolls a bad name. They aren’t locals but rather exist in all segments of The Ether. Perhaps they are also in several parallel universes or are double-parked in the Twilight Zone. They eventually go away to some other blog.
The entertainment value diminishes when they become tedious, or when The Moderator keeps blocking their less than civil language.
#30, absolutely smashing comment, sir.
Yea…. we know the mantra. Not wanting to bomb arabs is akin to holocaust denial. Questioning whether we should be financially supporting any of the nations in the middle east (if Israel is included) is tantamount to calling for more gas chambers.
Stereotypical ‘conservative’ tripe from morons who wouldn’t know a conservative if he was running for President from their own state. If you’re smart enough to know what conservatism is (hint - there is no ‘do you wanna kill towelheads’ test), then I’m not talking about you.
mty: My statement from the OC stands–RP is subverting Conservatism just as Islamofascists subvert Islam.
Now go away before I am forced to smite you.
/may I moderator?
Kent…. Do your damnedest, but you better bring your lunch. I can tell from the few posts of yours that I’ve read that you aren’t equipped for a mental test of wits with anyone possessing the same.
Take it to the other thread and please (pretty please) tell me exactly how Ron Paul is subverting conservatism. It might be helpful if you give us the operative definition of conservatism - just so we’re all on the same page.
Ummm Kent
I blast Ron Paul for some of what I consider are whackjob stances on certain issues
BUT
That has to be the most outlandish thing I have ever heard said about Ron Paul. In fact Conservatives can learn many lessons from the man.
#45 Squawk
Why do you have to come in here and ruin all the fun ? Who needs logic and reason ?
texpat
/shakes head and mumbles to himself about not being able to win.
As we are all painfully aware mty is the smartest man on the planet. Just ask him.
29
“Is all this in an effort to get on the 1st contributors list?”
No, I’m trying to appease my Zionist masters. I’m bucking for a promotion from lackey to minion. They get a cool Tee shirt: “MINION of ZOG”
I’m game!
#49 Faster
I just can’t imagine life without you, pal.
My wife tries….
Time for bed… gotta do little league tryouts tomorrow with the critter. Enjoying my time with him while I can.
He’s not very good, but he has fun…..
I’d be worried if Ron Paul were actually subverting conservatism. Members of the Republican Party seem to be doing that quite well without his help, though.
Hold on there bucko. You have to do time at toady before you move to minion.
Hardly. I do happen to be observant and studied, and confident in my positions regarding a subject or two. I’ve never claimed genius or infallibility or universality of knowledge. On the subjects on which I opine, I have some interest and an informed perspective.
If I have to play dumb and think in slogans to be your friend, Hamous, then we shall not be friends. How about just sharpening your arguments a bit? Your attitude smacks of the insecure playground bully who beat up the smart kid in third grade simply because he was smart. We all do some of this as children, but as adults such anti-intellectual thinking should be anathema.
#53 texpat - I think I agree. It may actually be good to have a snake oil salesman jump in the political process every once in a while and hopefully focus the rest of them.
#56 hamous
It has been an interesting ride so far and promises to be until November. I’m watching alot of things now in pure amazement and wonder. It will be this time next year before we really are able to sort things out properly.
#55 mty
Have a good night and we’ll take this up at a point down the road.
Hat tip, gents.
(Gents, I assume)
mty, it is not about you playing dumb. It’s your penchant for belittling anyone who disagrees with your lofty opinions. As far as your playground bully description, not even close. I will say this - most of the time the smart kid doesn’t get beat up because he’s smart. He’s thrashed because he makes sure the playground bully knows he’s smarter than him. Such über-intellectual behavior should be discouraged as well. Taken to extreme you end up a unabomber.
#60
I guess it’s a good thing that I’m firmly rooted in the tried and true principle that you don’t harm a man who hasn’t harmed you. Thanks for the unabomber comparison…. you must have read
my latest post…
You are amiss in your broader characterization for this reason: People are here discussing politics and political theory, often disagreeing. They engage in a discourse called debate, where the goal is to logically prove that your position is the correct one. Those wishing not to engage in a debate understand that challenging the assertions of the other are likely to draw a response, and involve the challenger in a debate.
Explain to me how I might have done anything out of line in light of the setting to ‘bring it on myself’, as you clearly imply.
I guess having a superior argument makes me uber-intellectual. Well that is hella-cool. I don’t think I’ve ever been uber-anything.
No, didn’t read your latest post but I’ll go check it out.
And I didn’t clearly imply that you brought anything on yourself. I simply meant that both actions, the bully beating up the smart kid and the smart kid rubbing his intelligence in the bully’s face, are behaviors that should be discouraged.
Your last paragraph is an example of the attitude that I find off-putting. You don’t have a superior argument, you have a different opinion. You think RP is the savior of conservatism. I think he’s a charlatan. Both of us are expressing our opinions. I show you the definition of isolationism and demonstrate the similarity between RP’s positions and you call me stupid. I wouldn’t characterize that as an intellectual debate.
Just skimmed your post. But before I launch the ” you’re anti-American” response you are so counting on, nay, fishing for, I think I’ll sleep on it.
Logic isn’t subjective. I don’t remember my logic even being challenged, let alone shown to be clearly inconsistent. There are a few people who I disagree with here who generally keep the discourse on point without devolving into attacks and ridicule, but that is not generally the tact taken.
No. That is hyperbole and detracts from any point you might be trying to make. I believe he is hands down the most conservative - the only one who is even marginally so - candidate to vie for the presidency. There is a huge difference.
Great. Some supporting evidence would be in order. That is how, through a debate, we move from tossing around whimsical ideas into something that resembles a reasonable position. The point of the exercise isn’t to collect a string of random observations. There is a goal, and it is to persuade the opponent and/or the audience of the logic of your position.
Point it out. I’m not saying it couldn’t have happened, but I don’t recall that one…… If your characterization is correct, then I’d only offer that one gets muddy when resorting to rolling with the pigs. I get called names directly more than my share in here, and it’s bound to elicit an in-kind reaction at times. Either that, or what you said may have been stupid. Point it out and I’ll let you know my intentions. If I was out of line, I’ll apologize.
Let me start by saying I’m an [Insert preferred Paul supporter colloquialism here] and I am not rabid or a conspiracy theorist, I’m just a regular hard working family guy. Now I’m always up to hear peoples viewpoints and consider all angles, but when I hear so many people propagating this “We’re innocent and they just hate us cause we’re not Muslim” myth it astounds me. Have any of you ever read the fatwa Osama Bin Laden issued preceding 9-11? It outlines pretty specifically the reasons why they feel it’s necessary to do what they do, you should check it out…
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm
These posts just show how utterly lost we are as Americans. Ron Paul is right in line with the Constitution, but you naysayers are only versed in Fox News and other forms of propaganda. So, you aren’t grounded in anything, but despite this you spout off at the only congressman that could actually stand with the founding fathers and be counted among them.
If you want to become a liberal, then stay with the status quo Republican Party who already have you 75% there. Sean Hannity came on this past Wednesday and renounced everything conservative that he said he once stood for (including endorsing McCain and his Amnesty for illegal aliens) under the guise of “we can’t win if we don’t change.” If we change, we become liberals and might as well vote for Hillary. This is not a joke. Ron Paul is the only true conservative. The rest are up moving any direction based on which way the wind is blowing; and it’s blow toward further socialism.
And therein lies the problem. You continue to confuse your opinions with logic and refuse to entertain the possibility that others may rightly disagree with them. That probably explains why you assume I am the “playground bully”. In your mind you have won any argument since it is impossible for you to ever be wrong. I think I’m done responding to your pretentiousness. It’s a waste of both our time.
Buhwahahahahahaha
Man you gotta quit getting your information from the RP blogs. You took the bait hook line and sinker. The very next hour he explained that he was yanking everyones chain including yours.
Yes, I have. It specifically quotes the Koran’s imperative to kill non-Muslims because they are non-Muslims:
Hmmmm, you forgot these quotes:
I confuse opinions with logic - HUH??!?!?
Opinions are logical or illogical. They are factual or fallacious. Debate is about testing the validity of opinions. Galileo and his anthropocentric supporters didn’t just have different opinions - one of them was correct!
(Man am I gettin a friggin headache from this circuitous conversation)
Here’s how you do it, Hamous.
“Micah, you are wrong about _______________ (X) because of __________________ (Y).
You refute my position, and offer evidence to support your refutation. There are knowable truths. Act like you know this, and fill in blank ‘X’ with the position you find to be incorrect and blank ‘Y’ with the reason I am incorrect.
Please just pick any random assertion that I’ve made that you disagree with, and illustrate that you understand the concept. I won’t offer a response to the argument - I really want to see if you know what I’m talking about at this point!
Let’s review how our war on terror in Iraq has caused them to attack us: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001454.html
Bigs
The Paulbots will only argue that if we had not intervened for the Shah we would not have this problem.
I would submit two words. SO WHAT? We were attacked. The formal declaration of war between the US and Islam was 911 as far as we are concerned.
I would submit that war was declared on the United States in 1978, first action taken in 1979 and we did not “properly” respond to the attacks till 911.
I can even argue OK we should not have meddled. But then Iran since the Ayatollah has not been willing to broker an amiable peace either. Generally in civilized situations the offended party will give the offender the opportunity to make restitution or correct their mistake. The Ayatollah and his minions have never offered that chance. Short of dictating our actions with our friends in the World
Then we come to Al Qaeda. They’re actions are an extention of the Ayatollahs Khoemeni’s “teachings”. Those people have been wanting a war with the United States because we have “always” been friends with Israel, and Islam has always been at odds with Israel and anyone that befriends Israel.
Oh and Ron Paul wants to throw our friends (Israel in particular) under the bus under the guise of “The U.S. handcuffs Israeli policy”.
#36 says,
“On the other hand, I exuberantly support a robust intelligence, counter-intelligence and military presence in all parts of the world.”
Yeah - our intelligence kicked ass before 9/11.
#36 goes on to add,
“There is a clear, clean line of morality for those who choose to see it concerning our nuclear weapons and those belonging to tyrants and madmen. Ignore it at your own peril and risk looking looking like a foolish idiot. You may not like the role we have inherited in the world and there is no doubt no American would choose it. However, we have to play the hand that is dealt us in the world we live in today, not the world Paul supporters fantasize about.”
Hmm, #73 can you help him out,
“I would submit that war was declared on the United States in 1978, first action taken in 1979 and we did not “properly” respond to the attacks till 911.”
Okay, I get it now. Thanks.
Just one little thing though.
If Saddam & OBL were and are these evil ‘tyrants and madmen’ should we not be looking to try President Reagan for TREASON for supplying both of them WMD’s during the 1980’s?
UH…uh…uh…they must have been okay back then.
Yeah because as Hamous says,
“Hostility toward America is a religious duty, and we hope to be rewarded for it by God . . . . I am confident that Muslims will be able to end the legend of the so-called superpower that is America. Time Magazine
“Every American man is an enemy to us.” — Independent.
Alright so help my small intellect with this.
#69 says,
“Have any of you ever read the fatwa Osama Bin Laden issued preceding 9-11?
Yes, I have. It specifically quotes the Koran’s imperative to kill non-Muslims because they are non-Muslims:”
So if the Koran, which I am going to assume has been around since before the 1980’s was around and our intelligence knew about it and we still gave madmen and tyrants who want to ‘kill all non-Muslims’ weapons of mass destruction, does that not make Reagan and Rumsfeld traitors?
Man this foreign policy stuff is interesting…isn’t it?
If they would only study the roots of Wahabi Islam they would learn Wahabists have been at war with the world since the 1740s. This is just the latest rendition.
Thanks for the links, quotes and general discussion, like I said, I appreciate all the different viewpoints… We have to all strive to figure this out, if you say to yourself “I know what’s going on” you are mistaken, no one really does, including me.
Now, back to the link I posted, the response from Hamous was pretty typical of the “We’re not Muslim” crowd, he puts quotes of OBL which taken out of context support his argument. However, the reason I linked the fatwa was so people could read THE WHOLE THING, not cherry pick scary quotes to push their view. If you read it, it clearly states the reasons why he feels justified under Muslim law to have the viewpoints he has. The Muslim world is never going to like us and we will never like them. But in IMHO that doesn’t make it ok to do whatever we want wherever we want just because we have (soon will be “had”) the resources to.
ajtdonahue
#74
So too sum up your blather
Let’s blame America first and forget everything else I pointed out in my comment.
/Glad I cleared that up for you.
squakbox
#77
Do me a favor and never try sum up my statements.
You are too simple minded.
Blame America for what? What in the hell are you talking about?
ajtdonahue
Well let me make it even more simple for you.
You said
and
so what was your point again?
Like I said, well you can go back and read it for yourself.
Big45Iron #72,
Thanks for the link that proves we have NEVER been attacked by Iraq.
I missed the memo that changed the name of the war from the “War in Iraq” to the “War on Terror in Iraq”.
Could you post me the link?
I’m a big Reagan fan (1st President I voted for) don’t really want to see him denegrated.
It is obvious, that Reagan did not see Saddam as a threat to the USA.
I trust Reagan’s opinion over yours, GWB II’s, and GWB III.
Here is how GHWB I felt about Saddam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9YuD9kYK9I
Another good one for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9YuD9kYK9I
For you people who think that Muslims are are Religion of Peace, take a look at some of these verses:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm
Cherry pick? Dang, how can you cherry pick with so many verses disputing your opinion?
I’ve got plenty of websites about people who have left the Religion of Peace and what their imput is, but I’m sure that I’d be wasting my time posting them for you.
Most of you Paulbearers are like nailing jell-o to a tree.
southerntragedy,
who are you addressing?
as for your jello fettish…you might want to get together with fasternu #24 and head on out to Long John Silvers, sounds like you two would make a good couple.
southerntragedy #38 says,
“Let’s just take what you RP wackos say to be true. What did Spain, London or Romania do to these people to bomb their countries?”
Spain Train Bombing
After 21 months of investigation, judge Juan del Olmo ruled Moroccan national Jamal Zougam guilty of physically carrying out the attack, ruling out any ETA intervention. [30] The September 2007 sentence established no known mastermind nor direct al-Qaida link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings
London July 2005 Bombing
The announcement claims the attacks are a response due to the British involvement in the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. The letter also warned other governments involved in Iraq (mentioning specifically Denmark and Italy) to withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Romania
I guess they just hate them for their freedom and prosperity.
Sorry, I coudn’t find any terrorist attacts against Romania.
#84 and 85: Guess ya didn’t read some versus out of the Koran, did ya? That’s why I didn’t waste my time posting others.
I could find plenty of posts of Muslim terrorists attacks in other countries, and there have been numerous posts with information on this blog. I’m not wasting my time pointing them out to you because #1: You won’t read them #2: It won’t change your mind.
Anyone who goes to Wikipedia to make a point is moot, due to the fact that ANYONE can add information to it.
As for the Long John Silver comment….I believe Long John Silver’s is over-rated. I prefer to catch, clean, and cook my own fish. As for catfish, I just throw them back. They are bottom feeders.
Good luck with the defeat of your dear leader. I hope that you will be able to cope with your loss.
Now I must go and wash my hands. They smell like stink bait. I’m sure you’ll find another blog to infiltrate. That’s what you do best and it sure opens more eyes about why they should NOT vote for your dear leader.
Goodbye.
“We leave them alone and they’ll leave us alone.”
I often wonder how such seemingly intelligent people can be so ignorant.
#87,
I only come to this website to straighten out misinformation about Dr. Paul.
If you followed the policy of
“We leave them alone and they’ll leave us alone.”
concerning Dr. Paul, I bet it would work.
I do enjoy the conversation though.
southerntragedy #86,
If you find me information of terrorist attacks where the only reason they attacked was because the other party was non-muslim…I would read it.
That is way to simplistic though.
I bet there are people blogging in Muslim countries right now trying to figure out why the United States attacks them.
One side is arguing because they are Christians and they can not put up with non Christians.
Others are saying they want all countries to be democracies.
I wonder how many think our intentions are honorable.
Are you kidding me?
There are so many instances of Muslims attacking Non-Muslims in the news, the only way you can miss it is by burying your head in the ground.
Google is your friend.
Yeah, but they were asking for it.
#89,
Than it would not be hard for you to link some here, would it?
Please, help me get my head out of the sand.
I’m still trying to figure out why you think I blame America first?
Go look it up for your self. Everyone else has.
As to your second question I’m too simple to answer that.
Typical Lone Star regular…make a comment and not be able to back it up…that’s cool.
But, don’t expect others to try and find something that doesn’t exist.
Yeah right.
#91: Pssst! Click on that blue link in the #89 post. Yanno, the one that says Google is your friend. Go ahead. Click it! I triple dog dare you.
/ajtdonahue and the resta them will still be back in five…..four….three…two….one
Talk about Ron Paul supporters being lazy. Can’t even do their OWN research other than the Great One’s website.
Kinda reminds me of the wife beater who says that he loves his wife.
Listen squawky,
southerntragedy already sent me on a wild goose chase trying to say that muslims blew up Spain, London, and Romania for no reason. Then she went to Long John Silvers with Fasternu.
That would be an example of making a comment and not being able to back it up.
Goodbye aj. I’m tired of you.
Dang, I wasn’t even finish with counting…
Now it kinda reminds me of shooting fish in a barrel.
Go back up and click on Google is your friend…
AHEM: We have this, which is my post:
and then we have this:
southernmetaphortragedy,
I clicked and feel so enlightened.
You got me.
Boy are you guys/gals smart.
Is that it!
Boy now I want to vote for McCan’t.
Dang, we’ve got a speed reader amongst us! I’m impressed. Sorry AJ, can’t play with you anymore tonight. I’ve got to go support our troops with a homecoming tomorrow. Continue on.
I completely agree with Giraldi. As far as that nasty little Middle Eastern gangster state that saw fit to harbor some of Americas’ most murderous criminals, including Meyer Lansky, which viciously and with full knowledge of its nationality, attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 crewmen and seriously wounding many more (a state terrorist act that John McCain’s father aided in covering up), which is chronically caught engaging in espionage against the U.S., which perpetrated the infamous Lavon Affair to draw the U.S. into war against Egypt and possibly the USSR, I say, “to Hell with it!” We have far more reasons to bomb Israel than Iran.