They say that there are three legs to the conservative movement, social, security and economic. As many know, I come from the wing that believes social issues are the most important ones for our future as a whole. Of the two current “viable” contenders (by the polls), John McCain doesn’t much care about my issues.
McCain seems distinctly uninterested when asked questions concerning abortion and gay rights. While campaigning in South Carolina, he told reporters riding with him on his bus that he was comfortable pledging to appoint judges who would strictly interpret the Constitution in part because it would reassure conservatives who might otherwise distrust him.
“It’s not social issues I care about,” he explained.
And I believe that. McCain is unique among the candidates left in that his sole focus is on national security. And to be frank, that is probably the most important part of the commander-in-chief’s job. So what is a social conservative to do?
Well….I don’t exactly know. I tend to believe him when he says he will appoint strict constructionist judges because those are the ones he has supported in the past. Still, there is that little gang of 14 thing to worry about.
But mostly, I guess I believe him because it doesn’t matter to him. He doesn’t care. He’ll toss a bone to us because he needs our votes.
Isn’t that a strange way to judge a candidate?
The truth is that I think those of us that think social issues are the most important are going to have to focus on trying to maintain the status quo instead of hoping we can reign in things such as abortion, homosexual marriage, special rights for various groups, expanded sex education, etc.
And to do those things, we are going to have suck it up and vote for either John McCain or Mitt Romney. With either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in the White House, we will not be heard.
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And that is why the majority of conservatives will not be voting for McCain (except maybe my uncle because he’s still in the deluded mindsight of vote-for-whoever-can-eat-Hillary-easiest).
oops…that should be BEAT not EAT…
2. Meglet
Duck, the puns are surely coming.
I really never thought I would be watching John McCain become the GOP nominee. I have to ask myself the question: Is it that we don’t have good enough conservative candidates, or is that we conservatives no longer represent the views of the party as a whole? I’m beginning to wonder if the bulk of the party has moved to the left? It will be interesting to see if there are any significant changes in the party platform.
I am also conservative and will not vote for McCain under any circumstance. He does not measure up on most conservative issues. I voted for Ross Perot and it gaves us the Clintons but it also fueled a great resurgence of conservatism in 1994.
The trouble back then was that we elected a lot of rinos who ran under the conservative mantle. Now the rino party once again is trying to elect their left leaning types and they will have to go without me.
Mitt apparently makes decisions after sifting through the data to determine the facts. McAssrod apparently makes decisions based on how he “feels” about the issue. Doesn’t that, by definition, make him a Dim? Who would have thought we’d have to choose between two Dims for President? No choice, no hope.
And he will “toss us a bone” just as easily as he tosses a bone to the other side on issues “he doesnt really care about”. What bone will we get? I am really tired of this “mantra” that he is good on national security. So shutting down Gitmo and telling our enemies we will not use waterboarding but will ask a polite series of questions, is TOUGH? Show me not-tough, then.
McCain is the Manchurian Democrat, he has the ethics of a Democrat, and it is testimony to his slickness that he survived the Keating 5 Savings and Loan debacle.
I’m becoming increasingly convinced that we conservatives no longer represent the views of the party as a whole. You can’t win elections without the “middle” and while that “urinates off” the conservatives, it is what it is…
Halloween in February. SCARY.
I think it is more that we conservatives are failing to educate our fellow voters on why we believe what we believe. The liberal agenda is appealing. You don’t have to worry about things, the governments just kinda fixes everything. Until we, as conservatives, can start educating voters about consequences, we will continue to lose standing.
Not that I want to hasten the process, but this generation will probably need to “burn themselves at the stove” once or twice. I have found that it is difficult, much like with children, to educate someone about consequences. They have to experience it.
I tend towards conservative positions largely because my experiences have taught me that the Liberal/Socialist way is not something I want any part of. It doesn’t work.
McShame is Lucy holding the football. The repubs who vote for him are Charlie Brown.
Frank, just put some suck it up cream on and vote for the R, because we all know that D is worse.
/Dang that Mary McGregor song is stuck in my mind.
Posted on the OC:
I think Mitt takes his stand, the way I do my income taxes. I start with the desired refund and work my way backwards. — Then we only have McCain left. He is not my choice, but then who else is there, the Hillary-Barack winner? We better all start liking McCain because he is the one we will be voting for in November. Hopefully he will win and make a good President. The alternative is not very good.
And another:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGY2ZDg4YTcxYWRlMWYwNzJlZDUzNDczYTVmNzZmNDE=
Yeah, I know that people around here like to mock that argument.
And perhaps, on their issues, it is true.
On social issues, it is absolutely, positively certain that the guy with the R after his name will be lightyears closer to my position.
/very much used to being mocked around here
McLib is trutworthy alright.
http://www.crosstabs.org/blogs/spiral/2008/jan/25/the_new_york_times_and_some_republicans_support_john_mccain_they_cant_both_be_right
When McCain announced that he supported the right of Democrats to filibuster conservative judicial nominees he added that he might want to filibuster a liberal nominee made by a Democrat president. But during 8 years of Clinton, McCain didn’t filibuster a single judicial nominee. He even voted for former ACLU General Council Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer. It’s likely that McCain uses such slippery explainations in the hopes that most Republicans aren’t very familiar with his record and past statements.
But why else would McCain be less than candid? As Ann Coulter writes:
I might lie constantly too, if I were seeking the Republican presidential nomination after enthusiastically promoting amnesty for illegal aliens, Social Security credit for illegal aliens, criminal trials for terrorists, stem-cell research on human embryos, crackpot global warming legislation and free speech-crushing campaign-finance laws.
I might lie too, if I had opposed the Bush tax cuts, a marriage amendment to the Constitution, waterboarding terrorists and drilling in Alaska.
And I might lie if I had called the ads of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth “dishonest and dishonorable.”
McCain angrily denounces the suggestion that his “comprehensive immigration reform” constituted “amnesty” — on the ludicrous grounds that it included a small fine. Even the guy who graduated fifth from the bottom of his class at the U.S. Naval Academy didn’t fall for this a few years ago.
In 2003, McCain told The Tucson Citizen that “amnesty has to be an important part” of any immigration reform. He also rolled out the old chestnut about America’s need for illegals, who do “jobs that American workers simply won’t do.”
McCain’s amnesty bill would have immediately granted millions of newly legalized immigrants Social Security benefits. He even supported allowing work performed as an illegal to count toward Social Security benefits as recently as a vote in 2006 — now adamantly denied by Mr. Straight Talk.
Again, there within, lies the problem.
Voting for the lesser of 2 evils, and so on, and so on, and so on….what do ya get?
The Debbil himself. No thank you. I’ll be just fine at the end of the wash cycle. It’s gonna get real bad, before it gets real good again. I want my party back. Right now, I’ve got “It’s my potty”. Sorry, but I’m going to flush it.
I’ve got a gallon of suck it up cream to slather on.
MARK MY WORDS, He’s going to Jump ship either in fact, or de facto. The snivelling slim……
Whom, sir, are you referring to, praytell?
#17 Kent
Great post. Levin is one of my heroes.
#19 DJ
Ann may be, after Hillary, the most hated woman in America, but that doesn’t she isn’t dead right in that column.
23: Amen to your referring to 19, Sorry I missed that.
McCain sticks his thumb in Conservatives eye 99% of the time he sticks his thumb in Republicans eye 80% of the time, he will not receive my vote.
I keep hearing people talk about voting for the lesser of two evils. News flash people, you will always be picking from the lesser of two evils unless you are the one running.
Is not the lesser of two evils still evil?
Although you are such a cutie, and I love your smile, and your “verbal information” of your lab….Do you really WANT ME to run for office?
I didn’t think so. I’ve always lost in a Popularity Contest…. Beotch contest….well….
26&27: Yeahyeahyeah–Evil is Evil, but the Dems are more EVIL!
Dems are more evil? Other than sex, I cannot tell the difference between St John and the Hillbilly’s.
At least with a RINO, you might get some of the things you want. But with a Dimwit, either HELLary or Obama, you will get NOTHING of what you want. If the party cannot get the conservative they want, then the next best thing, any other Republican, is better than sufferring thru at least four years of HELLary or Obama. You saw what you got with Bill, with HELLary you’ll get further to the left then you want and it will take forever to correct. With Obama, you don’t know what you will get but you probably won’t like it.
30&31: Perzactly! Vote Romney!
Under no circumstance will I vote for the she-devel hellary. I also can not bring myself to vote for that cretian mccane. both are disgusting. so that only leaves me with a write in vote.
What do you think about the idea of true conservatives forming our own party? It’s time to separate the wheat from the chaff. It is for certain that the rinos can not get elected without the conservatives, and I think that conservatives will turn out en masse once we have candidates true to our principles. The problem this primary season is that we really don’t have a candidate we can trust.
southertragedy for President!!
I’ll be your couture consultant.
/after June 1st, of course.
:>)
#1. Meglet, I think the answer is Janet Reno.
I heard this today on Laura Ingraham and did a tiny bit of research. Not nearly enough, but it’s worrisome as it is. Of course, I won’t abandon my principals to vote for an R or a D anyway.
McCain denies that he was in discussion with Kerry’s campaign about running as Kerry’s Vice-President. But how many people would have to be lying for McCain’s version to be truthful? Well, consider first that this was not McCain’s first flirtation with the idea — it appears that losing the 2000 nomination deranged him rather quickly into the Bush presidency. ________________________________________ Democrats say McCain nearly abandoned GOP By Bob Cusack 03/28/07 Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was close to leaving the Republican Party in 2001, weeks before then-Sen. Jim Jeffords (Vt.) famously announced his decision to become an Independent, according to former…
Ugh messed that up sorry
Anyway the whole idea is…….. Mc Cain and Kerry discussed his being Kerry’s VP…….. amazing thing to think about.
Here is an article where his aides thin McCain would be best. ..vomit
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/04/06/for_kerry_aides_mccain_would_fit_bill_as_running_mate/
Kraut suggested that on Sat–didn’t get much support–go look in the 40s (then there’s one around 86 and another areound 106, I think)on Sat AM and tell me what you think.
AW: It was common knowledge at the time–there was quite a bit of talk about it–there’s probably youtube about somewhere–but how he can say it didn’t happen is just another lie.
Y’all say social issues. I see social engineering.
That will never work. The people you need to influence are in the legislature not the executive office. The Supreme Court is also one of your desired targets although the Constitution is written and is NOT a living changing document no matter what opinion some may hold. Everyone can choose their own road to hell (in the opinions of those who do not get to be the Supreme Judge). Remove the beam from your own eye (etc. etc.) Hold fast to your own principles. Remember the story of Lott.
Odin, would that be Trent Lott or John Lott?
Oh boo, freakin’ hoo. Want some cheese with that whine, or some suck it up cream? Decisions, decisions…….I’m guessing cheese.
I can just hear McCain’s speech to the American people when he announces his appointments to the supreme court. I understand there is a group of conservative Americans who want me to appoint a conservative judge to the supreme court. I respect their views, however I was voted president to represent all the people. At this time, with certain judges retiring, I feel it is necessary to appoint judges who have a more populist leaning to make the court a balance. There for I am nominating ( Ruth Bader Ginsberg clone, etc.)
46: THAT”S MY FEAR!! with this sob and LSOS!
Kraut, did you find my posts from the Sat AM OC?
No insult intended cuz ya know I lubs most of y’all…
But why do I have this mental image of y’all bein’ the band left playing on the Titantic as it went down? C’mon bucko’s, if you can’t or won’t change your situation you might as well go out playing a happy tune…
ST Sweetie - you are priceless!
I have said it before and I will say it again. The far right wing of the Republican party(social conservatives) are losing touch with the majority of the american people.
I have friends with sons and daughters in Iraq. Whether or not a border fence gets built is not important to them right now.
I have many friends in the financial industry who are politically conservative. Right now, though, the future of their jobs is much more important to them than a supreme court that would overturn Roe v. Wade
I have many friends with school age children. The quality of the education and cost of college is more important than prayer in school. They teach their children to pray at home
My 85 year old mother in law( who loves Fox news by the way)is worried about what a recession would do to stock prices and her retirement income. If the lesbian couple who live two houses down get married, she said it would not bother her at all.
I think this is why Tancredo, Hunter, and Huckaby aren’t doing well. By and large, the public realizes we need concrete solutions to issues that touch everyone, and we should leave certain issues to individuals or the states to solve
You want some advice bigjolly? Maybe it is time for you and your fellow “social” conservatives to evolve. You cannot legislate morality. You can only worry about yourself. Don’t lose sleep over 2 men in Massachusetts, who you will never meet, wanting to get married. Don’t stress out over a woman in California ,who you will never meet, wanting to do what she will with her body.
Live and let live.
That’s pretty much what Nero said.
call me naive - but won’t the VP selection be heavily weighed this election? How old is McCain again? McCain - Thompson (or another) sounds better than just McCain, and it also sets that person up 4-8 years down the road
That’s hilarious coming from a sycophant of the party that wants us to take care of every single person in the country who feels they’ve been wronged. Hey, I’d love to worry about myself, or decide for myself to whom I’d like to give my money away. Y’all won’t let me. Somehow the moral Democrats have taken that responsibility away from me.
I’ve heard from a friend in high places in government position who hears rumors from people in higher places…they are talking a McCain/Huckabee ticket??? How bizarre-o is that?? And yet I think I would like Huck as a VP, just not MCCAIN’S VP…
This election is about replacing two Supreme Court justices. The Democrats have shifted the country to the left through two allies: the media and the courts.
We are not going to win the media wars. We must win the court wars.
I’m supporting Huckabee in the primaries but if either McCain or Romney get the nomination, that is who I will vote for in the general alection.