It’s simple for me: the economy. I can live with him as CIC, that is his passion, although, as Mark Levin likes to point out, he has not laid out a “vision” of how he would shape foreign policy.
And on the social issues, I tend to think he’ll at least try to maintain the status quo, not expanding the liberal agenda, based upon his actual voting record, not his dalliances with liberal Democrats. And that he will appoint judges that are more conservative than not. Again, based upon his voting record.
What frightens the bejabbers out of me about him is that I think he would raise taxes - even though he is on record as saying he would not sign any legislation that authorized new taxes and that he would attempt to make the Bush tax cuts permanent. We saw how well that worked with G.H.W. Bush.
Alan Reynolds at the Cato Institute makes the case quite well:
McCain would be eager and enthusiastic to join with past co-authors — Kennedy, Edwards, Lieberman and Feingold — to raise tax rates on high incomes, capital gains, dividends and estates.
McCain could surely be persuaded to remove the cap on the Social Security tax. That move, added to a state-local marginal rate above 45%, would make the top tax in the U.S. much higher than in any other civilized country, including Sweden (which has the least progressive tax system of them all). Many European countries allow the payroll tax to be deducted from the income tax, but it’s a nasty add-on for us. It’s loosely tied to benefits, but Social Security would become a pure redistribution scheme if they uncapped the tax.
All the Democrats need to do in exchange for such higher tax rates on the rich is to offer to “fix” the AMT (to make sure it just hits the rich) and cut the nominal corporate tax rate (after “closing loopholes” like quick depreciation), and also to fund any and all U.S. troops in the Middle East.
In McCain’s view, this would be another bold act of leadership, like pushing McCain-Feingold after being tarnished as a member of the Keating Five.
It would show how marvelously bipartisan he is, how fiscally responsible, unlike that upstart George W. Bush. I can see the smug grin even now.
And that would be exactly the wrong approach to the economy. We already have some of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. I fear that in McCain’s view, keeping a strong military would require us to maintain the high rates rather than slash them.
The Eisenhower-Nixon years defined the phrase “fiscal conservative.” If Democrats spent too much, a “fiscal conservative” would regard it as his duty to do the honorable thing and raise tax rates as much and as often as required, if only to protect the military budget.
And that is why I hope we have a brokered convention.
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Big J:
That’s exactly why Huckameister gives me the willies. He’s already shown a proclivity for such shenanigans in Arkansas, and I think that playing on a national stage would just encourage him. By the same token, Mitt’s record isn’t spotless in this area either.
I’m not a big fan of gin, how ’bout Wild Turkey?
B.I.G. - Lifting the SS tax cap and means testing are coming as sure as tomorrow’s sunrise. I have to hand it to Romney, at least he mentioned the pink elephant in the room during the last debate - entitlement spending.
B.I.G. - What’s your plan to fix the looming SS/Medicare financial crisis?
Not only are none of the candidates talking about it, most are promising to add to it.
Check out Investor’s Business Daily’s OP/Ed page today. A column written by Democrats, mind you, touches on this very issue.
BigJolly, I can finally agree with you, at least on the issue of taxes and McCain’s position. Suddenly McCain will make permanent the tax cuts that he opposed? I don’t believe him any farther than I could throw a mule.
B.I.G. FYI, I’m not a McCain supporter, will not vote for him in the general. Thompson was my guy but I never got a chance to vote because the gig is rigged. How can Iowa, New Hampshire South Carolina and Florida determine the destiny of voters in 48 other states?
Phil Gramm will almost certainly be McCain’s Treasury Secretary (if McCain wins election) and an architect of his economic policies.
Do you really see Phil Gramm collaborating with Dems to raise taxes and surely open McCain to a conservative primary challenger (a la elder Bush after “no new taxes”) in 2012?
I don’t.
BigJ–good post; one of main reasons he scares me, outside of the judges and border things.
#4: That’s why we need to have a National Primary/Caucus Day–depending on some Yankees and east Coasters to make decision for the other states is ludicrous (not the singer).
At aleast this year TX will count in the Primaries.
5. You mean, mush-mouth Phil Gramm, or someone I’m getting confused about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVG4ROuLSf0
I agree BJolly, I also feel McCain would follow Ike’s lead in Judges….remember Ike gave us the Warren Supreme Court. Throw in amnesty and we’re looking at a disaster.
He voted FOR McCain-Feingold, FOR McCain-Kennedy, FOR embryonic stem cell research, and joined the Gang of 14 to try to control Supreme Court appointments. Don’t any of these involve social issues?
So here is what I am going to do. I was going to vote for Hillary in the primary (Just to help the Republicans out) but now that Texas is clearly in play now I am going to do my John Kerry impression. I am gonna flip flop.
I am voting Romney in the primaries because I think that is what ENTERTAINMENT TALK RADIO wants me to do.
Some dalliances. More like political orgies.
FOX News said earlier today that Huckabee won the states with the lowest socio-economic, less educated group of voters. Does that tell you anything?
Nixon a conservative, The Richard Nixon that brought to the USA, the EPA, the Department of Education, OSHA, and took us off the gold standard and allowed the dollar to float, is that the conservative Nixon
he is speaking of?
squawk, ah’m hurt, thought you were going to vote Romney cause I asked you pretty please.
Shannon, along with my post #3 above, in my opinion, McCain is a liar of epic proportions. He’ll [obviously] say whatever he thinks is needed to get the vote. I also am of the opinion that it is all a bunch of BS. He will continue to pursue the same tact he has supported in the past. He will continue his position on not protecting the border by favoring amnesty. He will continue to push for any program his Democrat brothers ask of him.
And because Nat Pierce convinced me to rethink my position.
To #11, I would disagree with your conclusion. Those voters viewed Huckabee being more like them than a McCain, or Romney. Just because his supporters in those states are classified as “Less-educated” does not equal Less Intelligent.
Well, bless your soul. Assuming he hasn’t dropped out, of course.
Publius,
I don’t think it is a lock that Gramm gets the nod. There is another guy on his team that would like it as well - Jack Kemp.
Besides which, I doubt seriously that McCain would listen to either of those guys - he’s a maverick remember - and would go with his gut instinct, which, I think, is as outlined above.
Wulp if Romney drops out then I flip flop back to my hillary Stance.
Don’t forget that McCain has acclaimed that John Kerry is a good friend. Could the maverick give Kerry the nod in an effort to unify the country by reaching across the isle. Just a thought. Yea I know -
#18: I see a write in candidate in my future!
NAT #12
That my friend is conservatism in modern America.
Big gov love.
And if Romney drops out, and you really want to stop McCain, there is only one way to do it. ;-O
But I think there is only one way to do it anyway. Romney can’t win Texas. IMO.
Republicans McCain and Huckabee want to reach across the isle to Democrats, Democrats Hillary and Obama want to grab those extended hands twist them hard drawing them painfully behind the back forcing Republicans into submission.
BJ, I anxiously wait to see statements from Cornyn and Kay Baby, more than one truth will come from this election.
I don’t think Republicans can win the general unless they are running against Hillary.
In 2006 “Conservatives” stayed home. Democrats running on “conservative” platforms won traditonally Republican seats in 2006. I think circumstances and candidates are shaping up in such a manner that history is about to repeat itself.
Did you say reach across the isle?
Social Security Change For 2008
The United States Senate voted to extend Social Security Benefits to Illegal Aliens beginning in 2008. The following are the senators who voted to give illegal aliens Social Security benefits. They are grouped by home state. If a state is not listed, there was no voting representative.
Alaska: Stevens (R)
Arizona : McCain (R)
Arkansas : Lincoln (D) Pryor (D)
California : Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)
Colorado : Salazar (D)
Connecticut : Dodd (D) Lieberman (D)
Delaware : Biden (D) Carper (D)
Florida : Martinez (R)
Hawaii : Akaka (D) Inouye (D)
Illinois : Durbin (D) Obama (D)
Indiana : Bayh (D) Lugar (R)
Iowa : Harkin (D)
Kansas : Brownback (R)
Louisiana : Landrieu (D)
Maryland : Mikulski (D) Sarbanes (D)
Massachusetts : Kennedy (D) Kerry (D)
Montana : Baucus (D)
Nebraska : Hagel (R)
Nevada : Reid (D)
New Jersey : Lautenberg (D) Menendez (D)
New Mexico : Bingaman (D)
New York : Clinton (D) Schumer (D)
North Dakota : Dorgan (D)
Ohio : DeWine (R) Voinovich(R)
Oregon : Wyden (D)
Pennsylvania : Specter (R)
Rhode Island : Chafee (R) Reed (D)
South Carol ina : Graham (R)
South Dakota : Johnson (D)
Vermont : Jeffords (I) Leahy (D)
Washing ton : Cantwell (D) Murray (D)
West Virginia : Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting
Wisconsin : Feingold (D) Kohl (D)
I am no fan of McCain. Never really have been. I would prefer Thompson, Hunter, Huckabee or even Romney to be the Nominee. But if McCain is the nominee, I would vote for him. Not because he is the “Parties” choice but because when you compare him to either Clinton or Obama, McCain is the better choice. I have no really problem with him on foreign policy. I believe that on socio-=economic issues he is not really interested in those subjects. But look at his record. His whole record and not just the last 8 years. He has been unabashed pro-life. He has been a supporter of good judicial candidates. Although he has not been as smittened by tax cuts as Bush has been, He surely has not been one for raising them. McCain voted for the Reagan tax cuts. He Also has never in 25 years voted for a tax increase. He is now proposing to drop corporate income taxes from 35 to 25 percent. He has also said that he endorses securing the border first before any other immigration legislation is acted upon.
I realize that McCain has been at times a stinker (McCain-Feingold and McCain-Kennedy). Bur he would be light years better than what would get from a democrat President and Congress.
For those who call themselves a Conservative voter, if you stay home, remember that in the future you will be ignored and a more liberal candidate could be nominated. There is no reason to place yourself into a self-imposed exile Because what you may think may be a temporary exile could turn into a forced exile by the other party for a long time or even a permanent exile with their court nominees help.
Nat, I almost hate to ask, but….
What statements are you waiting for?
LC,
Thompson did talk about SS but he also proposed giving you $2.50 for every $1 put in.
Romney wants to index it to the CPI, that has a few proponents.
Paul has the most coherent policy. Mc and Huck don’t address it fully.
Me? 401k.
Tektite: keep in mind that everything McCain CURRENTLY supports, says or does is du in total to his effort to secure the Republican nomination. I don’t trust the man. It’s OK if you do, but based on his history, I don’t.
Squawk is voting for Romney.
It’s a miracle, I tell ya.
Oh fine, Sqauwk, Nat sweet talks you and you’ll vote for Romney, I ask and I get blahblahblah, going to hell, blahblahblah, voting for Hillary blahblahblah, going to skip the box. Well at least somebody got through to you, thanks Nat!
Shannon
Yeah and I just discovered that I can walk on water too.
I wonder what happens when Huckabee finds out McCain’s courtin’ someone else for VP and not him!
KentBook
#32
It ain’t nuttin personal. It’s just that Nat and I have been battling for quite a long time, there’s LST history goin on here.
Hucks going to respond to “somthing” in 10 mins on FOX, maybe others, don’t know–330 our time.
\
I know–I’m the new high on caffiene guy. ’sokay
/ he sniffs and wipes his eyes
This whole argument is moot. Either of teh Dem candidates will wipe the floor with poor ol’ John. The election’s gonna be Bob Dole Part Doh!
38: Probably
Observer,
I understand your issue with trust. I wonder about him as well when looking at his cavorting with Lieberman or Kerry as well as McCain Feingold. Again he is not my perfect candidate and hope that Romney or Huckabee pull a rabbit out of the hat and get the nomination. Yet if they do not then what. I would be left with the option of McCain or a democrat. Not voting would be the same as voting for a democrat.
That is why I have looked at McCain’s whole record in Congress. He has been a supporter of tax cuts. He has also supported conservative judges. Because of his record, I would tend to to give more credence to him being true to what he is saying now. History has shown him to be the better choice in November than a democrat.
Here’s another Endorcement for McCain–it just gets better and better:
Wow, HAL that took a while–guess it was okay the first time. Hope it doesn’t post them all.
#28 BigJolly,
I don’t think our senators will be able to go the primary cycle without an indication the candidate they support, I wrote and asked them to do so before Scooper Tuesday, they didn’t.
The next letter receive will suggest that not standing for someone an indication they have no core values, and are not to be supported or trusted, letting the governors endorsement go unchallenged is no way to gain my support for re-election.
Conservatives must take every opportunity to make our representatives and party leaders understand moderation is unacceptable.
The Senators are going to show their colors until they have to–KBH want to get along with McCain, she’ll get the VP nod.
So many times we hear this “gotta raise taxes to pay for __________.” Well, even I know that if you want to increase revenues to the government you lower taxes, not raise them. The minute someone says something about the “need” to raise taxes, do yourself a favor and brand them a liar and move on. It’s all about social engineering and taking care of buddies.
BTW, has anybody seen my $300 check I was supposed to get from the government? Maybe it was $600, I can’t remember. Maybe they forgot to send it.
Senate Dems are tryin’ to add stuff, having nothing to do with improving the ecomnomy, to the bill, so it may be awhile. Don’t hold yer bnreath, brotha.
I just have a problem with a politician tellin’ me to, “Just Calm Down.”
Food for thought:
As important as politics is, I know for a fact that I’m going to do myself and my family a lot more good by concentrating on the following things BEFORE politics:
My faith, and that of my family.
My own “economy”
Getting my kids a proper education and teaching them personal responsibilty, self-reliance, etc.
Everybody seems to be wrapped around the axle about getting the right politicians in office, and counting on them to solve our problems. Yep, you heard right. Conservatives want smaller, less intrusive government. And they think that the way to get it is to elect another Ronald Reagan and conservative Congressmen and turn them loose.
Well, I’m beginning to think that’s not the way it needs to happen. It isn’t even the Conservative way. Trusting government to fix itself? Nope.
I suggest that if America’s “house” is to be set in order, then we need to collectively set our own houses in order first.
Sub-Prime mortgage crisis? It isn’t the government’s fault, it is our fault for signing up for more house than we could afford.
Illegal immigration? WE have tolerated it for years, not the government.
Oppressive taxes? WE are the ones clamoring for Social Security to be saved. Politicians are just trying to give us what we are clamoring for.
The list goes on…
#47 If government spending or giving money away is good for the economy, how could additional stuff being added by the Dems do anything but improve the economy even more. If government spending = good economy, then we should never have any problems. Don’t fall for that one either - it’s the tax rate that stymies the economy, not the spending rate. I still want my check or I’m not gonna vote.
McCain did not get the conservative vote. He won states that he cannot win in a general election. I say let’s make him come to us. I want to hear what he promises us to get us. He cannot win without us. Some are fearful he will promise us wonderful things, then when he has the nomination sewed up, he will start moving left…. He cannot win without us.
Tektite
Good grief, where have you been ? Nice to see you back.
Should get a good look at him at the CPAC tomorrow–they should make him come to “US” while he’s there.
Drudge has a story I skimmed, but I think McCain is going to use Ronald Reagan to introduce him. Yep, he’s going to do a slick video.
McCain has prepared a video featuring President Ronald Reagan to make the introduction. [to CPAC]
If McCain uses this video, it is very likely to backfire badly. This is the group before which Ronald Reagan said in 1975 that, “A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell its numbers.”
Very few of the 2008 CPAC crowd will see McCain as the successor to Reagan and Reagan’s principles.
McCain has sacrificed conservatives’ fundamental beliefs throughout his Senate career. If McCain uses this introduction, the boos will be very loud.
McCain faces a real quandary. If he fails at CPAC — and doesn’t win the CPAC straw poll (he finished dead last in 2007) — the word will be out that the conservatives are off his team this year. The results of the poll will be announced at about 2 pm Saturday.
McCain has prepared a video featuring President Ronald Reagan to make the introduction. [to CPAC]
If McCain uses this video, it is very likely to backfire badly. This is the group before which Ronald Reagan said in 1975 that, “A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell its numbers.”
Very few of the 2008 CPAC crowd will see McCain as the successor to Reagan and Reagan’s principles.
McCain has sacrificed conservatives’ fundamental beliefs throughout his Senate career. If McCain uses this introduction, the boos will be very loud
McCain faces a real quandary.
McCain faces a real
quandary. If he fails at CPAC — and doesn’t win the CPAC straw poll (he finished dead last in 2007) — the word will be out that the conservatives are off his team this year. The results of the poll will be announced at about 2 pm Saturday.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24859
Wooo Hal is hungry tonight
Thank you sweet Nat. I was too lazy to do a look up.
I am convinced that McCain suffered real brain damage while in the Hanoi Hilton
If the collective stupidity of Republican primary voters nominate him, I beleive that he will receive a smaller percent of the total vote in the General Election than McGovern did.
BTW, Under no circumstances will I vote for the RINO. George Bush was my last RINO vote and that was bad enough to gatg a maggot!
59 - who will you vote for then? Skip the box? I’m convinced that’s not the answer. You gotta vote FOR someone, or biotching about the RINO here is a complete waste of time…
Skip the box and they know you voted but avoided Captain Kyoto, Capt. Kyoto as president will not help conservatives, the Hillbillys as president will align Pubbys to the Conservatives creating a block against the socialist agenda otherwise the old colleagues of Senator Open Borders will align with him.
Ummm, how? Your ballot is not associated with your name, much less your political affiliations. They may be able to find out how many ballots had the box for president skipped, but that don’t mean doodly squat when they start asking why. They won’t even be able to tell if a Dem voter or Rep voter skipped the box.
That argument makes no sense whatsoever.
I assumed you were speaking of the GE.
They compare the number of votes cast for each office so if there are 10% less votes for the Republican president than other Republican offices it is obvious.
I’ll concede that as a possibility. It still doesn’t necessarily translate to lack of support for a candidate’s RINO-ness (ie, they aren’t conservative enough).
Just out of curiosity, do you think that there will really be that many “skip-the-boxers”?
There will be a measurable percentage; it will be distorted because some skippers will click the Hillbillys or Obama.
I believe Republicans aligning against a Democrat president will be more affective than old colleagues aligning with Captain Kyoto will.
Thanks for wrecking another Republican party Huckabee, thanks
Let’s fact it, kids. McCainiac will probably take the nomination. At that point, is is all over but the crying because he cannot stop Obama, who I think now will be the “D” nominee.
Today, the ever arrogant McCain, told us that we need to “suck it up” and accept that he is the presumptive nominee for the Republican party. Not ever after taking Super Tuesday can this man show graciousness and appreciation for his wins. Instead, he still sticks his thumb in our eye and tells us to like it. He is trying to tell us that Reagan was a “maverick”. Well, Reagan was a “maverick” but the big difference is that Reagan tried to move the Republican Party to the right. McCain has tried to move it to the lest.
No one talks about McCain’s votes to give Social Security to illegals or his vote FOR the Specter amendment to the Shamnesty Bill.
I will not vote for McCain and have now refused to donate one more dollar to the RNC. I will back local/state conservatives, but since there is no frontrunner conservative, guess I will just do a write in for President.
69 - Yeah, it’s all Huckabee’s fault. That’s the ticket.
To quote Captain Quint in the movie Jaws.
“This RINO Shark McShame will swallow the Republican Party whole. A little shakin’, a little tenderizin’, down it goes”
The Delusional Dunce Bushnandez dumped the Repub party in the Kitty litter box.
McShame will be the one to bury the stench under the sand.
Mama always said Republican primary voters was like a box a chocolates. You never knew how many brain-dead nuts you were going to get.
My vote will go to my write in candidate, Duncan Hunter.
Here’s to swimming with bowlegged women!
I’ll catch that bird fer ya but it ain’t gonna be pleasant.
Hooper drives the boat, Chief!
LOL. Over at Democrats.org, according to an email I saw posted somewhere, we have Howard Dean suggesting that McCain is hard right.
We have the hard right suggesting that McCain is indistinguishable from HRC.
Is it just me, or are elements of both the Left and Right in danger of driving off the cliff?
Thanks Texpat. I have been around. I just read mostly. It seems that on a lot of the discussions I get in very late or someone has already essentially said what I wanted to or was needed to be said. Frankly I try not to input that much. I find it takes too long some time to respond to the things that I want to and in the end I find that spend way too much time on these discussions. So I prefer to read mostly.
Tektite
Chime in whenever you can. I always need help over here in the Voice of Reason corner.
To Retire05:
I understand your angst. McCain is not my top candidate. Heck I told a client of mine that I would vote for Ron Paul over McCain and then he said he would fire me have me force ably admitted for 72 psych hold.
In the primary it is all about trying to get your party to select the candidate you think is the best. We will get our chance in March.
Come November it is a different story. It is not about party but about who will be the better President. Since it seems that you favor the Republican party then how you judge a candidate is probably guided by those beliefs and criterion. Then use that guide and compare and contrast it against Obama and Clinton and then against McCain. I bet you will find that McCain comes closer to meeting your criterion than either of the Dems. Also, when looking at McCain or whatever candidate, look at their whole record.
Sure McCain has irritated a whole bunch of people especially the Conservative right in these past 8 years by being friendly to Lieberman and Kerry. Could that be due over the perceived slight that he got from people, including some conservatives in South Carolina during the 2000 election? Do you think that McCain Feingold was a result of what he saw were undue influences that affected his campaign in 2000? Again, look at the whole record of McCain’s. All 25 years worth.
I have started that journey. So far I think that IF he is the nominee ( although not my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th choice in the republican race), We as a nation would be far better off with him than Obama, Clinton, Bloomberg, Paul, Guiliani, Nader or the libertarian.
Far too often we get so wrapped up with our “cause” that in the end if we do not get “our” way we run home crying. That is okay if you are playing chess, monopoly (unless you are Enron), Trivia pursuit or marbles. But we are not playing when it comes to electing our leaders. To stay home and not vote because you did not win or get your way is childish.
If you are disappointed with the RNC, then get involved and change it! The RNC helps not just presidential candidate but candidates at all levels. So to just write them off is hurting those State and Local candidates.
All too often I am told that they would rather have this country suffer at the hands of the democrats than vote for the Republican nominee even though he is more conservative than anything else out there just because he is not conservative enough. Well then stop pretending and go vote for a democrat.
Thats it…see Texpat what happens…gotten way to involved. Oh well at least its better than crank calling Democrats….
Dang…did not realize how long that post would be!!!
jimb
I’ve seen you ask a few times if conservatives will really “skip the box”.
You don’t have to go far back to see evidence of that.
#80 - If you’re referring to the 2006 elections, I’m not at all sure that “skipping the box” was the root cause of it.
Either way, “skipping the box” is the the way to “teach the damn Republicans” anything.
Just MHO. That and 50 cents won’t even get you a cup of coffee anymore…
McCain can probably get elected WITHOUT the conservatives, because he can get some Dems and Independents to cross over. That’s why he’s taken the positions he has . His voting record is secondary to his performance as a ‘maverick’ i.e. the gang of 14 to stop the repubs trying to salvage some good from the Bush political treachery. If we just stay home, he’ll punish us. We may have to consider voting Dem in the remaining ballots once it’s clear that he’s won. That way we can choose our poison and vote against McCain, when we vote for Osama or Hillary. Headline, “White conservatives, NOT Racist after all; with votes for a Black (1/2 Black) Man for President”. We’ll actually be voting against the racist Democrats ( who’ll be voting for McCain)who have kept the Blacks on the Plantation for votes but don’t want to spend any time with them. Remember New Orleans?? The Super Dome was the ‘underbelly’ of the welfare system.
82.
I highly doubt McCain can get elected without the conservatives. Look at the so-called super Tuesday. The liberal democrats love their choices and 15 million people voted for democrats, no reason this should not carry over to the general. On the other hand the conservatives stayed home for the most part and only 8 million people voted for republicans, because there was no conservaive choice. Even with the late push for Romney, lets face it he’s no conservative; he’s just the best we have left. I don’t see how McCain can win. The lib media that is pumping him up now will turn on him the day he wins the GOP nomination. Alot of the lib states he winning now will go the other way. McCain has near no chance.