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  1. ShinerBlonde on February 6th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    But Willie said he saw the building fall that “didn’t get hit by nothing” which, of course, being a double negative means he thinks it DID get hit by something….no? yes? Anyone speak Willie-speak around here that is sufficiently stoned to answer?

  2. KentBook on February 6th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Actually heard the tape on Laura Ingraham yesterday AM–yes, it was intertaining.

  3. KentBook on February 6th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    All I have to say is: Rosie O’Donnell, Google It!

  4. Shannon on February 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Shut up, Willie.

  5. Simple Simon on February 6th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Soliciting or listening to Engineering opinions or tax advice from Willie is like taking parenting lessons from Britney Spears.

    Of course if there is anyone out there so incensed by Willie’s remarks and wants to get rid of your Willie/Highwayman CD’s please leave your name for me to contact.

    Simple

  6. Big45Iron on February 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    AYWWINBAWWNOI - And You Wonder Why I Never Buy Anthing With Willie Nelson On It

  7. Big45Iron on February 6th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    ON BULL HORN (HOW APPROPRIATE) Willie - drop the hose, stand up, and back away from the bong.

  8. DeepPurple on February 6th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    I used to work with one of Willie’s ex-wifes. They had two kids together - neither of which wanted anything to do with him.

    ‘Nugh said.

  9. Sherri on February 6th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Does this mean we’re boycotting Texas Roadhouse?

    Taste of Texas is better anyway.

  10. american woman on February 6th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    I feel sorry for him. He’s making a fool out of himself. Not that he cares. But, he is no spring chicken. ( I am a spring chicken)

  11. KentBook on February 6th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Sherri–Amen to that the last statement! Does Roadhouse have a connection to Willie?

  12. Shannon on February 6th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Willie Nelson–The Laziest Man In Show Business.

    He’s been “mailing it in” for twenty years.

    Shut up, Willie. And don’t sing. Because you quit putting any effort into it in 1985.

  13. Sherri on February 6th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    KentBook-Willie is owner (maybe part owner) of Texas Roadhouse. The website doesn’t say what percentage he owns.

  14. KentBook on February 6th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    No wonder it sucks–lousy food–no real beers, just the usual crap lite.

  15. Shannon on February 6th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
  16. american woman on February 6th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    See Shannon, that’s what I mean HEHE. I like Texas Roadhouse. It’s cheap and it’s fun. Edd’s place is the best but my pocket book doesn’t allow it very often.

  17. Katfish on February 6th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Willie Nelson - commenting on geopolitical stuff……..is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart doin WWF play-by-play fer KeeeeeeRISSAKES

  18. Shannon on February 6th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    american woman - our very own Roadhouse momma.

  19. DanielJames on February 6th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Your government would never do anything to harm its own citizens.

    Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan by the U.S. Department of Defense to stage acts of simulated or real terrorism on US soil and against U.S. interests and then put the blame of these acts on Cuba in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro.

  20. carbon-credit on February 6th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    #19…you smoking the same stash Willie is?

  21. fat albert on February 6th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Daniel:

    ON BULL HORN (HOW APPROPRIATE) Daniel - drop the hose, stand up, and back away from the bong.

  22. DanielJames on February 6th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    In response to a request for pretexts for military intervention by the Chief of Operations of the Cuba Project, Brig. Gen. Edward Lansdale, the document lists methods (with, in some cases, outlined plans) the authors believed would garner public and international support for U.S. military intervention in Cuba. These are staged attacks purporting to be of Cuban origin, with a number of them having real casualties. Central to the plan was the use of “friendly Cubans”–Cuban exiles seeking to oust Fidel Castro.

    The proposals included:

    Starting rumors about Cuba by using clandestine radios.
    “Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba.”
    Staging mock attacks, sabotages and riots at Guantanamo Bay and blaming them on Cuban forces.
    Blowing up a U.S. ship in Guantánamo Bay and blaming it on Cuba (reminiscent of the destruction of the USS Maine at Havana in 1898, which helped to precipitate the Spanish-American War). The document’s first suggestion regarding the sinking of a U.S. ship is to blow up a ship at sea and hence would result in U.S. Navy members being killed, with a secondary suggestion of possibly using an unmanned ship and fake funerals instead.
    “Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type [sic] planes would be useful as complementary actions.”
    Destroying an unmanned drone masquerading as a commercial aircraft supposedly full of “college students off on a holiday”. This proposal was the one supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
    Staging a “terror campaign”, including the “real or simulated” sinking of Cuban refugees:
    “We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute [sic] to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.”

  23. DanielJames on February 6th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
  24. Wadefishin on February 6th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Willie was a big supporter of Ma Richards didn’t that give you a hint he might be losing it….and what was that BrokeBack Mountin…song all about?

  25. Fontessa on February 6th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Remember when Willie send cases of whiskey to the Democratic legislators who jumped state to keep from voting on legislation they didn’t like. That’s went I parted ways with Willie.

  26. southerntragedy on February 6th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    But, but…Willie adopted a lot of horses from Habitat For Horses. He’s only 1/2 bad, right?

  27. bigcat on February 6th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    Willie is not alone. Take a look at the Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, Government Officials, Professors, Architects, Engineers, Pilots, 9/11 Survivors and Family Members who are questioning 9/11 found here:
    http://www.patriotsquestion911.com

  28. texpat on February 6th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Comment of the Week !

    #12 Shannon

    Willie Nelson–The Laziest Man In Show Business

  29. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Well, what do you expect from a guy who supported Dennis Kucinich?

  30. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Shut up, Willie. And don’t sing. Because you quit putting any effort into it in 1985.

    No kidding! Willie has started to sound like Susan Estrich with a Southern accent.

    Daniel, time to take a break from Alex Jones again ; - )

  31. Tektite on February 6th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    AS far as Willie and Texas Roadhouse goes, it appears that they are using him as celebrity sponsorship. He may be an investor but from what I have searched over he is not the owner or co-owner.

  32. DanielJames on February 6th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    need more?

    Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.[13]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

  33. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    32. Daniel

    With due respect, Wikipedia is, at the least, a weak source for anything.

  34. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    To quote fasternu426:

    Booga Booga!

  35. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    In this case, one of the documents actually added fuel to the fire. It was a copy then-Defense Secretary Robert McNamara had kept of a proposal called “Operation Northwoods.” The Joint Chiefs cooked up this lame-brained idea in early 1962, in response to the Bay of Pigs fiasco in Cuba.

    Realizing the American people would never support a full-scale invasion and “regime change” in Cuba unless Castro was thought to be attacking the U.S., Operation Northwoods proposed to fake several attacks, such as “attacking” Guantanamo and blowing up empty battleships, in order to blame Cuba for them, so the American people would support an invasion to overthrow Castro.

    Naturally, Sec. McNamara rejected the plan out-of-hand. Nevertheless, not only did this revelation provide Kennedy conspiracy theorists with a motive for our military to want Kennedy dead, the fact that our military would even consider such an audacious plan has meant that every domestic terrorist attack since has been accompanied by a conspiracy theory that the Government really was behind it. The revelation of Operation Northwoods made these kinds of conspiracies more believable.

    Which brings us to 9/11.

    http://www.ntskeptics.org/2007/2007october/october2007.htm

    Ask Jackie Gleason!

  36. DanielJames on February 6th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Here ya go.

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/index.html

    In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”

  37. DanielJames on February 6th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    It is possible that 911 was an inside job. That is a fact.

  38. carbon-credit on February 6th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    #32…DUCK! Black helicopters overhead…

  39. squawkbox on February 6th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup Whup

  40. FourAlarm on February 6th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Inside jobb? What a Nutt Jobb!

  41. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    It is possible that 911 was an inside job. That is a fact.

    Only in that it is a fact that almost anything is possible.

    Tell me: What would the government gain by perpetrating 9/11 on its own citizens?

    Unless it is some sort of 100-year-master-plan, I haven’t really seen anything come to fruition that would make any sense.

  42. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    It is possible that someone will give me a billion dollars tomorrow. That is a fact.

  43. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    …and if that happens I’ll personally travel to Austin and kiss Alex Jones’ ass.

  44. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Squawk, your black helicopter is broken…

  45. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    And now it is gone!

    /putting the heavy duty steel salad bowl on my head

  46. squawkbox on February 6th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    It crashed

    /Shhhh don’t tell anyone

  47. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    43. hamous

    . . . and I’ll go with you to take pictures.

  48. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    I wonder what life is like in Willie’s World.

  49. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    37. DJ

    If that is true, what does it do to the BLOWback Principle?

  50. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    The black helicopters got Squawk’s black helicopter.

  51. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    #49 Wow! Excellent point! If you believe in Alex Jones and the Troofers it nullifies the blowback principle put forth by Dear Leader. Quite the conundrum.

  52. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    51. hamous

    God, I thought we would never get back to talking about RP! That’s a relief! :-)

  53. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    My wifed and I went to Willie Nelson’s picnic in THE Woodlands several years back. He was awful. For a minute I thought I was at a Red Sovine concert because Willie talked all his songs.

    Before that, however, David Alan Coe had appeared on-state, in the middle of the stinking heat on an oppressive August day, wearing a calf-length leather duster. We decided he must’ve just come from Willie’s bus, if you know what I mean.

  54. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    53 - did he sing about how beer was good for you??

  55. FourAlarm on February 6th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    The conspiracy continues… In French but be certain to click the “Page web:defenselink…” to view huge photos of the Pentagon that was merely a ‘coincidence’ (Willie kinda thinking).

    http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/visites.htm

  56. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Come on back truckers and talk to Teddy Bear

  57. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    56. hamous

    My God, you’re old. :-)

  58. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Giddyup go daddy! Giddyup go!

  59. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    54. jimb

    Coe sang “You Never Even Call Me By My Name” if that’s close enough.

  60. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Better quit before I start singing Little Jimmy Dickens.

  61. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    58.

    hamous, he’s been dead for 28 years. Get a grip!

  62. RickG on February 6th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    60 hamous

    Do you think anybody else has a clue what we’re talking about?

  63. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Maybe Squawk.

  64. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    I am familiar with “Teddy Bear” - used to love that song. I admit it is before my time, though…

  65. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Before your time? It came out in the mid ’70s. You ain’t THAT young. You have adult children!

  66. squawkbox on February 6th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    hamous

    Maybe Squawk, what?

  67. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    OK, so I was 5 or 6 when it came out. I didn’t remember if it came out in the 60’s or 70’s…

  68. squawkbox on February 6th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    “Teddy Bear” = 70s

  69. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    You have adult children!

    Correction: I have adult CHILD. I’ll have adult CHILDREN in 2009. No need to rush things…

    :mrgreen:

  70. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    #66 Knew what we were talking about.

  71. squawkbox on February 6th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    ;) Moi?

  72. mty on February 6th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    #49

    If that is true, what does it do to the BLOWback Principle?

    It does nothing at all to repudiate the concept of blowback. Believing that the government planned 9/11 doesn’t indicate a belief that terrorism isn’t real. It is perfectly congruous to believe that government insiders brought down the twin towers in 2001, but that they didn’t help in the 1993 attempt, or in the USS Cole bombing or other various ‘terrorist’ actions.

    While I don’t personally subscribe to the truth movement’s outlook on the subject, I think it’s quite naive to think that our government doesn’t have connections to manipulations of popular sentiment that include manufactured events to facilitate the implementation of a desired policy change. This is what big governments do. Do you suspect that the oligarchs are dispassionate and disinterested in retaining the reigns of power? Governments do engage in covert acts to sway public opinion, and they always will.

    #51

    Wow! Excellent point! If you believe in Alex Jones and the Troofers it nullifies the blowback principle put forth by Dear Leader. Quite the conundrum.

    Not a conundrum.

  73. southerntragedy on February 6th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Dudes: Y’all really need to listen to that country oldies radio station. It’s the one that’s programmed #6 on my radio? Hello? Punch #6 and check it out!/ducks and runs

  74. southerntragedy on February 6th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    mty: Yanno, I’m so proud of George Bush and Carl Rove. 9-11, the only secret that managed not to escape into the press from everyone who hates them.

  75. mty on February 6th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    One more time…..

    I don’t personally subscribe to the truth movement’s outlook on the subject

  76. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    You cannot subscribe to the theory that blowback caused 9/11 while simultaneously believing that that 9/11 was an inside job. Well I guess in the twisted spaghetti bowl world of the troofer wing of the RP camp you could surmise that Bush brought down the Twin Towers to cover up the blowback that was inevitably going to happen. Yeah…that’s the ticket.

  77. 8643 on February 6th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    jimb Says:
    “Tell me: What would the government gain by perpetrating 9/11 on its own citizens?

    Unless it is some sort of 100-year-master-plan, I haven’t really seen anything come to fruition that would make any sense.”

    What was Cheney saying… something about a war that won’t end in our lifetimes? hmm.
    Regards,
    JC
    “and so the mood of the country is definetly different than it was on sep. the 10th…
    but I find the mood of the country to be incredibly refreshing” GW Bush - 10/29/01

  78. mty on February 6th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    I do not believe that 9/11 was an inside job, and won’t offer a defense of arguments proposing such.
    While you note that the positive statement does not also imply it’s inverse (one would have thought that obvious), allowing that 9/11 could have been an act of someone other than violent Muslim radicals does nothing to support the contention that ‘they hate us for our freedom’.

    Blowback as a concept isn’t contained to the 9/11 attacks; it is the reason for the anti-American sentiment that allows cynical interests to foment suicide bombers and other willing purveyors of anti-American terrorism.

    The rationale of truthers goes like this:

    American interests meddle in middle eastern affairs for years, causing deep-seeded resentment amongst the populace.

    In more recent history, American troops have permeated the region, with scores of soldiers permanently stationed in the strategic Persian Gulf region.

    Indigenous leaders encourage radicalization, and employ terrorism as a tactic to effect the ultimate removal of the occupiers.

    Interests in our government hierarchy cynically plan the 9/11 attacks, framing middle eastern terrorists in an attempt to push through desired policy changes.

    I’m on board up to that last one.

  79. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Why the dearth of radical Shinto terrorists? They’ve got 63 years of built-up blowback.

  80. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    #77 - you gotta do better than that. Radical Islamic terrorism has existed for longer than I’ve been alive, and will be around after I’m dead. 9/11 didn’t change that, nor some statement from Cheney or Bush that you dredged up off the web.

    <sarc>Besides, if this was a government consipracy, it had to have existed before Bu$hitler took office, right? He didn’t have time to concoct such a plan, and in all fairness, he’s too stupid to pull off such a plan, anyway, no?</sarc>

  81. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Oh, so now HAL has been upgraded? Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    :mrgreen:

  82. mty on February 6th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    #79

    Why the dearth of radical Shinto terrorists? They’ve got 63 years of built-up blowback.

    This is errant reasoning. Failure of one set of people in a decidedly different situation to resort to terrorist actions don’t invalidate the concept of blowback.

    If you walk into a bar and spit in a man’s face and he doesn’t punch you, does that mean you can generalize that spitting in a person’s face in a bar won’t get you punched out?

    Beyond the inherent illogic, there are sweeping differences between our interactions with post-war Japan and the middle east.

  83. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    #82 - Why do you think we’ve experienced this “blowback”? What specific events drove it?

  84. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Of course it is. How silly of me. I forgot I was talking to the arbiter of all things logical (yes, that was an ad hominem attack). You’re the “decider”.

    there are sweeping differences between our interactions with post-war Japan and the middle east.

    Nope. Just two of ‘em. There are many similarities between the Shinto Warrior culture and Islamofascists. Good night O Wise One ;-)

  85. 8643 on February 6th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    #80 - jimb Says:
    “#77 - you gotta do better than that. Radical Islamic terrorism has existed for longer than I’ve been alive, and will be around after I’m dead. 9/11 didn’t change that, nor some statement from Cheney or Bush that you dredged up off the web.”

    I’m having a hard time with the logic jimb- are you inferring that the “war on terrorism” that “won’t end in our lifetimes” might fare better in the court of public opinion sans 9/11.
    JC
    btw, fwiw GW being nefariously involved or not is moot- imho.

  86. texpat on February 6th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    You know why I love Mark Levin ? I love Levin because he understands when someone is using his forum for their own personal agenda and he always stops them dead with, “Get off the phone, you moron!”.

  87. Meglet on February 6th, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    *jumps up and down waving hand excitedly* I know the Teddy Bear song!!!! There’s this radio station that plays old country songs, you know from the 1800s the ones that Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton sang…

    /ducks and hauls booty

  88. texpat on February 6th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    hamous

    Mty uses LST as a sort of vanity press to impress himself with his high school chess club jargon and the fact he took a couple of logic classes in college somewhere. Oh, the fallacy of it all !
    I was bored several days ago, a couple of nights ago and I continue to be bored tonight.

  89. mty on February 6th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    #83

    A concerted program of asserting American hegemony in the region through the use of force, manifested as:

    -Propaganda campaigns against indigenous governments
    ____________________________________

    A concerted program of asserting American hegemony in the region through the use of American might and ultimately force, manifested as:
    # Propaganda campaigns pitted against indigenous governments
    # Support of minority party insurgencies to destabilize legitimate governments
    # Installation and support of unpopular pro-US dictators
    # Imposition of a US military presence in sovereign nations through the acquiescence of puppet regimes.
    # Creating outlaw warlords for our own purposes
    # Devastating civilian populations in an attempt to destroy the outlaw warlords we created
    # Heavy-handed aid packages that subvert the autonomy and sovereignty of regional governments

    That’s a start, and by no means an exhaustive list. If you doubt the validity, I can supply a few links for each claim….
    ____________________________________________
    #84

    I can’t help it that you spew every possible cliche and logical fallacy in place of sound reasoning. It is becoming tiring to even acknowledge your oversights, they are so numerous.

    I love the nuclear references. Very enlightened. So you’re one of the ‘nuke em all - let God sort em out’ crowd. I must say I’m not terribly surprised. I’ve had suspicions that you were unable to fathom thoughts that couldn’t be applied on the bumper of your pickup. Thanks for another illustration.

  90. mty on February 6th, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Texpat & hamous pony up the most illogical arguments, and take me to task for pointing it out rather than defending their positions.

    Oh…. poor me. Don’t pay attention to the vapidness of my logic - look at the bully who isn’t playing fair….

    Funny, ladies.

  91. Matt Bramanti on February 6th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    #35: We must report this to Rosie O’Donnell and Charlie Sheen!

    Chaaaarlie Sheeeeen!

  92. texpat on February 6th, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    #90 mty

    I have no arguments for you. I reserve my argumentation for those are worthy of them. I do reserve my ad hominem attacks, personal insults, deprecations and disparagements for you and those like you.

  93. mty on February 6th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    I understand, Tex. It’s the same reason I’d never fight Tyson without a crowbar…..

  94. southerntragedy on February 6th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Meglet Says:
    February 6th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
    *jumps up and down waving hand excitedly* I know the Teddy Bear song!!!! There’s this radio station that plays old country songs, you know from the 1800s the ones that Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton sang…

    /ducks and hauls booty

    Ah HA! You punched my #6 button on my car, didn’t cha?

    /scrolling back up to find out who mentioned “you know who”…I’m taking names.

  95. mty on February 6th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    and the fact he took a couple of logic classes in college

    I know trailer folk don’t think too highly of education, but your anti-intellectual reaction should be a bit troubling even to you. So being learned is a viable point for derision now?

    Okay…. whatever you say…..

  96. Meglet on February 6th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    *claps hand over mouth* Is Dolly Parton a bad word?

  97. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    #89 - Nice cut-and-paste. I thought educated people didn’t make sweeping generalizations like that.

    I’d prefer specifics, thanks.

  98. mty on February 6th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Not a cut and paste, jimb, and not ’sweeping generalizations’. I can back each up with specifics. Which points do you reject? All of them?

  99. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    …and one of them a know-it-all that can’t keep his trap shut.

  100. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    #98 - Actually, the way you wrote your points, they were indeed sweeping generalizations.

    At least you didn’t refer to US support for Israel right out of the chute. I’m going to wait and see if the subject comes up.

    So, to start with, which region is “the region”?

    Then, I guess, let’s just see a list of the countries you refer to that we did some of these things in.

    I don’t flatly reject any of your points, but some context would be nice.

    I’ll check back in the AM and see what you’ve got. If/when I respond, it will be in the Thursday Open Comments Thread…

  101. jimb on February 6th, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Oh, by the way, MTY, saying you’re smarter than everyone who disagrees with you don’t make it so.

  102. hamous on February 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Here jimb, hold mah beer!

  103. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    I’m going to wait and see if the subject comes up.

    It undoubtedly will. US policy as it relates to Israel is representative of the flawed thinking underlying our foreign policy in general.

    which region is “the region”

    The broader middle east.

    I don’t flatly reject any of your points, but some context would be nice.

    I can give you very specific context for my assertions if you tell me with which you take issue. There are volumes of scholarly work on the subject - should I just cite book titles for you to read? I’ve stated my contentions. Tell me your objection to them.

    Let’s start with one nation - Iran. I contend that these points can easily be illustrated with Iran in the context of relations in the broader middle east.

    Let’s start with the CIA-backed coup to depose Iranian Prime Minister and ardent nationalist Mossadeq in 1953. It is a great illustration of how American hawks used our foreign policy instruments to do precisely the things I note.

    After our early attempt at national-building devolved into the Iranian Revolution of 1979, we helped install Saddam Hussein into power in Iraq as a regional power to balance out the military might we’d facilitated in Iran.

    I’m trying to remember exactly how this one turned out. If my memory serves me, our new puppet started two different wars with the Iranians and invaded Kuwait (with the implied ambivalence of the Undersecretary of State) before we decided that he no longer served our interests and stopped subsidizing his military domination of the region.

    Policies that multiply this collateral damage to scores of nations in that region facilitate the radicalization of the people. They see their elected leaders deposed or their governments dominated (out of fear of being deposed, in many cases), and they flock to leaders who promise a way to regain their autonomy. They strike out at the great power who dominates them in the only way they can - through covert ‘terrorist’ actions. This is blowback.

    I’ll see if I can check in tomorrow to see if you care to challenge anything specifically.

    Oh, by the way, MTY, saying you’re smarter than everyone who disagrees with you don’t make it so.

    Did I say that? I might have implied mental superiority to some very specific posters at some point, but I’m pretty sure I have made no such universal claim.

    Of course, if I did say it, it wouldn’t preclude my being smarter than everyone else. Are you trying to pick a fight, jimb?

  104. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 12:30 am

  105. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    #100

    I’m going to wait and see if the subject comes up.

    It undoubtedly will. US policy as it relates to Israel is representative of the flawed thinking underlying our foreign policy in general.

    which region is “the region”

    The broader middle east.

    I don’t flatly reject any of your points, but some context would be nice.

    I can give you very specific context for my assertions if you tell me with which you take issue. There are volumes of scholarly work on the subject - should I just cite book titles for you to read? I’ve stated my contentions. Tell me your objection to them.

    Let’s start with one nation - Iran. I contend that these points can easily be illustrated with Iran in the context of relations in the broader middle east.

    Let’s start with the CIA-backed coup to depose Iranian Prime Minister and ardent nationalist Mossadeq in 1953. It is a great illustration of how American hawks used our foreign policy instruments to do precisely the things I note.

    After our early attempt at national-building devolved into the Iranian Revolution of 1979, we helped install Saddam Hussein into power in Iraq as a regional power to balance out the military might we’d facilitated in Iran.

  106. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    I’m trying to remember exactly how this one turned out. If my memory serves me, our new puppet started two different wars with the Iranians and invaded Kuwait (with the implied ambivalence of the Undersecretary of State) before we decided that he no longer served our interests and stopped subsidizing his military domination of the region.

    Policies that multiply this collateral damage to scores of nations in that region facilitate the radicalization of the people. They see their elected leaders deposed or their governments dominated (out of fear of being deposed, in many cases), and they flock to leaders who promise a way to regain their autonomy. They strike out at the great power who dominates them in the only way they can - through covert ‘terrorist’ actions. This is blowback.

    I’ll see if I can check in tomorrow to see if you care to challenge anything specifically.

    Oh, by the way, MTY, saying you’re smarter than everyone who disagrees with you don’t make it so.

    Did I say that? I might have implied mental superiority to some very specific posters at some point, but I’m pretty sure I have made no such universal claim.

    Of course, if I did say it, it wouldn’t preclude my being smarter than everyone else. Are you trying to pick a fight, jimb?

  107. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Oops - 104 & 105 weren’t formated for quotes and links…
    ___________________

    #100

    I’m going to wait and see if the subject comes up.

    It undoubtedly will. US policy as it relates to Israel is representative of the flawed thinking underlying our foreign policy in general.

    which region is “the region”

    The broader middle east.

    I don’t flatly reject any of your points, but some context would be nice.

    I can give you very specific context for my assertions if you tell me with which you take issue. There are volumes of scholarly work on the subject - should I just cite book titles for you to read? I’ve stated my contentions. Tell me your objection to them.

    Let’s start with one nation - Iran. I contend that these points can easily be illustrated with Iran in the context of relations in the broader middle east.

    Let’s start with the CIA-backed coup to depose Iranian Prime Minister and ardent nationalist Mossadeq in 1953. It is a great illustration of how American hawks used our foreign policy instruments to do precisely the things I note.

    After our early attempt at national-building devolved into the Iranian Revolution of 1979, we helped install Saddam Hussein into power in Iraq as a regional power to balance out the military might we’d facilitated in Iran.

  108. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Sorry…. formatting was bad - quotes and links gone

    #100

    I’m going to wait and see if the subject comes up.

    It undoubtedly will. US policy as it relates to Israel is representative of the flawed thinking underlying our foreign policy in general.

    which region is “the region”

    The broader middle east.

    I don’t flatly reject any of your points, but some context would be nice.

    I can give you very specific context for my assertions if you tell me with which you take issue. There are volumes of scholarly work on the subject - should I just cite book titles for you to read? I’ve stated my contentions. Tell me your objection to them.

    Let’s start with one nation - Iran. I contend that these points can easily be illustrated with Iran in the context of relations in the broader middle east.

    Let’s start with the CIA-backed coup to depose Iranian Prime Minister and ardent nationalist Mossadeq in 1953. It is a great illustration of how American hawks used our foreign policy instruments to do precisely the things I note.

    After our early attempt at national-building devolved into the Iranian Revolution of 1979, we helped install Saddam Hussein into power in Iraq as a regional power to balance out the military might we’d facilitated in Iran.

  109. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    I can’t get it to take my post with the formatting for some reason (I thought it was size, but cutting it in half didn’t take the formatting either), rendering it very difficult to decipher where I am quoting…

    Here’s a link to a formatted version of the above two posts.

    http://criminalthoughts.com/?p=48&preview=true

  110. Matt Bramanti on February 7th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    MTY, if you want to see blowback, continue to post your comments in duplicate.

    -The Management

  111. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    Matt,

    You’re either having server issues, or you’ve changed the global handling settings for handling (at least my) posts. I’m assuming that you changed it to where tags must be approved by a moderator….

    Of course, if you really found it annoying, you could just snip the duplicates. It’s interesting that the moderation team will alter a writer’s posts for comedic value but not in the interest of coherence….

  112. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    At it again….. I had in there before the tags. You did change the global settings - stop acting as if I was being rude and double posting.

  113. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Jesus, the new settings butcher any post with the traditional open-a, close-a tags.

  114. hamous on February 7th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Had you bothered to ask you would know that comments with more than two links are kicked into the spam bucket where they await the VOLUNTEER moderators to approve or deny them, which may take a few hours.

    But its all about you, mty. All about you.

  115. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    You are a cretin. I’ve certain I’ve made posts with more than 2 links several times, and no lag in posting. This post had only 2 links. Why would I assume that it wasn’t just a momentary glitch? Why did I not get the standard message about double-posting that is generally standard on wordpress?

    You are right, Hamous. It must be all about me. You can’t help making an ass of yourself in responding to me no matter what I say. If I say the sky is blue, you have to launch into a tirade about how I worship Ron Paul and think I’m smarter than you.

    You can’t have a conversation that stays on topic and doesn’t devolve into an attack on irrelevant personal characteristics (to head off your standard tactic - the lack of logic in an argument is not a personal attack and is the definition of relevance). It might whip a few cretins into a round of retarded high fives, but it only serves to illustrate your inferior position to those looking for a reasoned discourse.

    As for pointing out that the moderators are ‘Volunteers’ - are you concerned that this is somehow different than 99.9% of all blog-based sites on the net? I can easily work around the blog settings, but had no idea they’d been changed.

    Thanks for your concerns.

  116. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Oops. There were more than 2 in the original post, but only two after it was cut into two parts. It still didn’t show up.

  117. hamous on February 7th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Note: extra large, rambling comments ≠ coherence

  118. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Yes…. anything that won’t fit on a bumper sticker is incoherent to you. I get it. I’ll keep the words as mono-syllabic as possible when talking to you.

  119. LST MODERATOR on February 7th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    I’ve certain I’ve made posts with more than 2 links several times, and no lag in posting.

    All comments containing 3+ links go directly to moderation (which only the originating author or I can see on the thread) or into the Akismet spam area.

    This is done to stop spammers.

    These comments can be restored by any front page bloggers.

    Moderation of comments or checking for comments held in moderation or Akismet is done on an adhoc basis.

    Squawkbox
    LST Moderator

  120. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    That would fail to explain the lag on #100.

    Whatever, though. I’ll make note of those parameters and temper my posts accordingly. Thanks for the cretin link - again, it is interesting that you choose to alter poster’s writing for your own amusement with little regard for the coherence of threads. Interesting editorial policy…..

  121. mty on February 7th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    #108, that is.

  122. hamous on February 7th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    Interesting editorial policy…..

    Yes. We call it Suckforward.

  123. KCS on February 11th, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Willie i believe is right

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