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  1. wfish on February 20th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Dr. Paul in trouble in his own district? Oh,no, how can that be?

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  2. Big45Iron on February 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Hey, according to the after debate polls, Ron Paul is still going to win the Presidency by a landslide.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwZsFKIXa8

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  3. Rastus on February 20th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Mean dogs and now Ron Paul. You’re starting to have about the same substantive content as a Barack Obama speech.

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  4. dcgirl on February 20th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Do you think Ron Paul keeps up his presidential bid in the hopes of swelling the campaign chest and then keeping the unused funds for himself?

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  5. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Ron Paul is determined to get to the convention so that he can tell the Republicans that it is time to take back their party. I am curious, would you prefer McCain’s republicanism over Paul’s. What is the real difference between, Obama, Clinton and McCain on policies. They all use the same rhetoric. Same bogus story over again and again. They are CFR puppets. At least Ron Paul stands for the Constitution, not the Bilderberg Group. He is awakening the people.

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  6. commonsense08 on February 20th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    This is one of the single most uneducated, moronic pieces of “journalism” I’ve ever read. My God have mercy on your soul.

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  7. ixeos on February 20th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    He’s created a movement away from the disgusting neoconservatives that have infiltrated the Republican party. Regardless of he wins the presidency, his congressional seat, or the local chili-cookoff he’s done more to help this country get back on the road to sanity than anyone else.

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  8. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Ron Paul is not going to keep his campaign funds. He is one of the few congressman that does not accept the pension plan offered to him as a member of congress. He also is one of the few who voted against the pay increase for congress. Do people really believe he is in this for the money? Ego? If so look at his voting record, at least it’s consistent with his convictions, it doesn’t sway in the wind like almost every other politician.

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  9. Adee on February 20th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    The march of the PaulBearers begins.

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  10. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    I guess it must be disturbing to Adee that people support Ron Paul, I wonder Adee, who do you support and why?

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  11. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    8.

    I agree that Paul is not interested in keeping the campaign funds. I don’t know if he could even do that. We can certainly agree that Paul is not driven by money.

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  12. wfish on February 20th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    To know him is to love him. Seems people are beginning to know him. How the people in his own district never got to know him (until now) is a mystery to me. He should have kept quiet and nobody would have known…..but now it’s too late. He dosen’t have a clue as to what’s going on in his own district or the state of Texas, but he can deliver babies, according to his radio and tv ads, so maybe that’s what he should be doing. I wish him well.

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  13. dcgirl on February 20th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    #6 - Sandy,
    First off, to call this piece “uneducated” I suggest you get educated yourself. Your Myspace page lists you as an alumni of a state college which you attended for a year. If you were educated you would know that ‘alumni’ is a plural term, so unless you have a split personality you are an alumna. I read your last blog and I must say that you have fallen hook, line, and sinker, for the MSM nonsense that is presented. How about not depending on NBC or CBS to tell you what to think but really INVESTIGATE things yourself. And if you think that terrorists should be given all the same rights as you have, perhaps you would like to have them live as guests in your home, right? After all, at the age of 21, having been a legal adult all of 3 years, and one year of college behind you, who are we, decades-long taxpayers to be able to say anything correctly? God I wish I were 21 again so that I could know everything!

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  14. dcgirl on February 20th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    #8 truthseeker - I have heard that Ron Paul votes against things that he knows will pass so that he can be on record as voting against them. I have heard that he routinely adds pork into bills and then votes against the bills since he knows they will pass - for the same reason - he can say he votes against pork. Does he accept the pay increases that are passed? And since he has not retired from Congress, if he loses his reelection bid, is he barred from collecting the pension just because “he does not accept the pension plan”? Really, I would like to know - I am not baiting you.

    Can you answer the question why someone who claims to be about border security and concerned about Ramos and Compean would not even know the name of the US attorney involved?

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  15. Adee on February 20th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    #10, Fred Thompson, and I voted for him yesterday.
    He has the good sense to take the Islamofacists seriously when they say “Death ro America” and move to accomplish that. He has the good sense to propose a serious plan to fix social secuiry before it bankrupts us. He has the wit to understand that soverignty means secure borders and seriously doing something to accomplish that.
    He has the wit to understand that strict constructionists must be appointed to Federal judgeships, most importantly SCOTUS if the Constitution, which Dr. Paul carries in his pocket but does not understand, is to be preserved.

    Is that enough for you, truthseeker? If not, tough darts.

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  16. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    wow, dcgirl, you sound as though you may need a sedative. polite debate is always better than being hypercritical. Can you tell me who you would vote for and why? Since we all care about our country it seems only right that we can discuss these things together.

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  17. DanielJames on February 20th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Atleast Peden will carry the neocon water cooler. Funny thing is several months ago he said Ron Paul was the most principled man he knew in politics.

    We deserve whats coming.

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  18. DanielJames on February 20th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    I pray that Huckabee and Paul stay in it to the end!

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  19. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    DJ, you’re such a fatalist. :-)

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  20. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Adee, no need to be so edgy, I respect your words about Fred Thompson and thank you for answering the question. Ron Paul agrees with some of the same things that Fred Thompson is for, so I don’t see why we can’t be friends. And while Ron Paul may be better as a federal judge I can tell you at least his paradigm of politics is awakening people to the fact the msm and neocon’s and globalists are taking away our country. None of us want to live in the NAU

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  21. DanielJames on February 20th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Does he accept the pay increases that are passed?

    I dont think he collects a pay check from the gov.

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  22. DanielJames on February 20th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    RickG

    Why?

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  23. Adee on February 20th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Correction to #15 To not ro/ sovereignty/

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  24. BigJolly on February 20th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    And while Ron Paul may be better as a federal judge

    I thought I had heard everything you guys had to offer. Wow.

    Ron Paul, Federal Judge.

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  25. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    #24 Ha ha, that comment was in reference to #15 Adee’s comment that “strict constitutionilist” should be relegated to federal judges. Anyway, that was certainly taken out of context. LOL. What do you think about Ron Paul Big Jolly?

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  26. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    A last flailing gasp from the organism before the head is chopped off and Dear Leader is relegated to LaRouche status in the history books…

    Out with the old spiritual mumbo jumbo, the superstitions, and the backward ways. We’re gonna see a brave new world where they run everybody a wire and hook us all up to a grid. Yes, sir, a veritable age of reason. Like the one they had in France. Not a moment too soon.

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  27. DaveB on February 20th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    What a joke. I hope your readers take the time to research your opinion of Dr. Ron Paul. Might be interesting to let them know he is the only Republican candidate that is currently solvent. McCain had to borrow against his life insurance policy and Hucka beee is broke. He raised it all by grassroots w/average donation under $100.

    I’m not really sure what to say about your premise on how much money it costs to but a delegate. People either do or do not get his message. Just look at all the money Romney spent. I think media coverage\censorship has more to do with how America votes.

    People in the 14th district appreciate RP’s restrained and uncomprimising use (or non-use) of Congressional power. You should spend a little time looking over some of those speeches and proposals he’s made over the last 30 years. If we heeded his advice this country would be a lot better off. Thanks for your time.

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  28. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    dcgirl, I cannot answer your question I in fact do not know the names either, I bet that McCain, Clinton, Obama, and the current president Bush do not know either. Please educate me regarding this issue. Also with regard to his voting record. I believe it is better to vote no and do that so that you have registered a position than to cowardly not vote as many do on issues. I do not know his reasoning I cannot. I believe his reasoning is based on his beliefs in the constitution. Would like to discuss further but I am at work and need to go. I’ll check back later.

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  29. Adee on February 20th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    #24 BJ, Your comment is on point. It was “strict constructionist” rather than “constitutionalist” as truthseeker misread and/or misunderstood.

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  30. BigJolly on February 20th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    What do I think of RP? I think he’s a nice enough old guy that long ago rose to the level of his incompetence in politics.

    Unlike 99.9% of the people that support him, I have lived in his district. In fact, I’m sitting here typing this in his district.

    Being a congressman is about working the system, persuading others to join you in legislation and getting as close to $1 back from the feds as your district sends up. All the while, moving your ideas of government forward, which, in Ron’s case, is a smaller federal government.

    Tell me, has he done a good job representing his district? Or moving his ideas forward?

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  31. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    #29 I both misread and misunderstood. Hope to continue the debate later, gotta run.

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  32. DanielJames on February 20th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    DaveB

    Edd Hendee knows whats best for the people of the 14th district. Dont ya know that?

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  33. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Big Jolly, thanks for your answer, I really would like to discuss further but gotta run. I am a supporter of Ron Paul’s ideas. I do not have the experience of living in his district as you do. It sounds as though you may not feel well represented. I would only respond by saying sometimes people take on an extreme message to get the pendulum swinging back in the other direction. the way usa is headed now is scary. no habeas corpus, legal wiretapping, legalizing torture for god’s sake. these are steps a democracy takes when it is slowly taking away the people’s rights. And so Ron Paul’s ideas do awaken my hope because everybody says the same crap. If a person is not for torturing potentially innocent people in guatonomo then they must be for the terrorists. if we are not willing to give up our rights and privacy for security we must be terrorist symphathizers and unpatriotic. This is craziness. Check out youtube, naomi wolfe “the end of america letter to a young patriot”

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  34. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    the way usa is headed now is scary. no habeas corpus, legal wiretapping, legalizing torture for god’s sake.

    F U D. Typical scare tactics of the Left. You guys have swung so far right you popped up on the other side. Naomi Wolfe?? LOL! I think the medical term for her is “paranoid delusional”.

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  35. DanielJames on February 20th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Scare tactics? The boogie man is coming! Give up all your rights so we can keep you safe from the boogie man. Booga booga

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  36. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    I know this is an exercise in futility but please enumerate the rights you’ve lost. Hell, just give me one real one without using Naomi Wolfe/Alex Jones freakshow rhetoric.

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  37. Adee on February 20th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    #34 Hamous, well it’s said that extreme left and extreme right eventually meet in the middle at the anarchy node. Kinda like a Stargate.

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  38. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Adee

    Teal’c: Indeed

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  39. josh on February 20th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    I found it interesting that Ron Paul appears to be the only, or one of the very few, congressman or senators in united states history who has returned his unused funds to run his congressional office for his terms to the treasury. He has done that 20 times.

    I also found that the Economist that I have spoken with side with Ron Paul over all his opponents.

    Also, there is some question as to Ron Paul voting for earmark: His opponent states “Ron Paul doesn’t vote for the pork” and deprives his constituents of money that are entitled too. Yet I saw and article and people chastising Paul for getting earmarks for his district. What this says is that his opponents are liars and incompetent lairs or they a incompetent and uninformed for they criticize him for what he does and then criticize him for not doing what it is they say he is doing.

    Many people don’t subscribe to Ron Paul views on Irq and the War on Terror but Dick Chenny on Tim Russert in 2001 and in reference to Bin Laden said: “his objective, obviously, is to try to influence our behavior to force us to withdraw from that part of the world”
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp20010916.html
    Which is what Paul, along with the 9/11 commission and the some CIA analyst say.

    It would be funny if Ron Paul loses his congressional seat because it might just be the better thing for him. He has a message spreading across the world and like our coveted Constitution, it seems like, and even in a place like Texas, many in America would rather ignore it or call it stupid and outdated.

    Isn’t it amazing that GW won over Clinton ( whom I supported until the Kosovo War) and GW (whom I did not support) and that GW won on a humble forgein policy , and yada yada yada… Then turned around and did what ever he wanted. Wow.

    I think Ron Paul will lose both the presidency and his congressional seat but even so I am going to vote for the guy, Ron Paul that is, because I think that after everything I could have read that he is the best way to go because the direction he will set for the country would be the best in decades and if the 14th district gets someone else then a democratic will challenge next time and will beat the one termer.

    It is very obvious that people do not want Ron Paul or conservative small government, free-trade (not managed trade as an economist friend of mine pointed out.), non interventionism. Or people are too lazy to do their home work on the issues and vote for other reasons. But Ron Paul’s message is not resonating and it appears that Freedom is not popular and many people are willing to trade their freedoms for security and they don’t care that they will lose both so long as someone else pays the bills they don’t care and so long as they vote for the winner they don’t care.

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  40. dcgirl on February 20th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    #28 - truthseeker - You don’t know the name Johnny Sutton either?!!! Amazing since it was the hottest topic in the news for quite a while. And you didn’t answer my question. Why does RP put pork in the bills, only to vote against them because he knows they will pass? He puts earmarks into bills that he knows will pass but be able to say he voted against. If he were truly against pork he wouldn’t put in the earmarks in the first place.

    To answer your other question, my first choices for President were Tancredo and Hunter, then Thompson. This is based on several questionnaires which asked what was important to you and how much was it important. Every one of them came back Tancredo/Hunter/Thompson as the candidates that most backed my beliefs.

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  41. dcgirl on February 20th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    #39 Josh - there are many ideals that I agree with in Ron Paul. However, for him to say that “if we just go home the terrorists won’t bother us” is delusional, dangerous, and just plain stupid. If you knew anything about Islamafascism you would realize that their goal is to either convert all to Islam or to kill those that won’t. That is too dangerous to ignore.

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  42. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    39. josh

    His opponent states “Ron Paul doesn’t vote for the pork” and deprives his constituents of money that are entitled too. Yet I saw and article and people chastising Paul for getting earmarks for his district. What this says is that his opponents are liars and incompetent lairs or they a incompetent and uninformed for they criticize him for what he does and then criticize him for not doing what it is they say he is doing.

    No, what this says is you are not reading closely enough. Both of those statements are true - Paul earmarks pork and the votes against the bill that he knows will pass. This allows him to do the pork thing and brag how he voted against spending.

    Kind of disengenuous, don’t you think? Clever, manipulating, but disengenuous.

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  43. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    hamous, not so sure I follow you. You are quoting what “brave new world” and yet you do not recognize it as such. I don’t need Naomi Wolfe or Alex Jones to tell me I’ve lost my rights. All I need to do is turn on the television. When the government can arrest who they want without a warrant based only on suspicion and then they can torture that person in Guantonomo Bay without representation, you tell me. Is that a right that has been taken away from people? What about the fact that the government can wiretap us and can listen in on our phone conversations without warrant? That is called a loss of privacy.
    To call this security is bulls###. I am not too far left or right, I have my eyes wide open and I suggest you open yours.

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  44. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    But Ron Paul’s message is not resonating and it appears that Freedom is not popular and many people are willing to trade their freedoms for security…

    What a load of horse dung. It’s condescending crap like that that turn people off and leads to the characterization of RP supporters as cultish.

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  45. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Examples truthseeker, examples. Not conspiracies that cannot be proven.

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  46. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    rick g and dcgirl , to answer the pork question, i again don’t know. I agree that if that is what he does then it is clever, manipulating, etc… but can you tell me a politician, preferably one you are voting for that does not do clever, manipulating or disengenous things. I do not think Ron Paul is perfect. I do think his message is important, without it all we have are the same people saying the same things and the bilderbergs and CFR’s in charge. I am sorry, but I do not think I need an antipsychotic because I can see that msm deliberately misleads people, that the CFR is interested in globalization and building a NAFTA superhighway. I am sorry that I find it suspicious that WTC 7 collapsed seven hours later without a plane hitting it and it is not even mentioned in the 911 commssion report.

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  47. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    hamous, what is conspiracy about guantonomo bay, shall I cut and paste the recent headline “we only waterboarded 3 people” would you like me to cut and paste you the patriot act. these are my rights being removed.

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  48. NH4RonPaul on February 20th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    FIRST OF ALL, “RINO” Peden is lending himself money.
    Paul has just raised $1M for his Congressional Race.

    Second, neither Peden nor Bilderberg Governor Perry care one crapola about the TTC.

    Only Ron Paul cares about the TTC Highway that will displace thousands of Texans.

    And to answer your question NO, RP will NOT take any pension from his time in Congress. He gives money back each year.

    Peden’s quote about Ron was:

    “I have an immense amount of respect for Ron Paul,” the letter read. “Politics has a way of forcing people to go against their core principles for political gain. That has never been the case with Ron Paul.”

    Apparently it IS the case for the disingenuous Chris Peden….

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  49. Adee on February 20th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    #38 Hamous, Bless you, laughter is the best medicine, and my sinuses are suffering this afternoon.

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  50. dcgirl on February 20th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    #43 - To begin with waterboarding is not torture. Uncomfortable, maybe, but not torture. Torture is those same terrorists that are given 3 squares and a directional pointer to Mecca slowly slicing off someone’s head. Or the Nazi’s pulling out your fingernails. Or Sadam sticking you feet first into a wood chipper.

    Secondly, the government is not listening in on your phone calls. Really now! Do you think your conversations are interesting enough to warrant the spending of time and money to listen to them? How many phone calls are happening around this country each second of the day? Do you think we have the manpower to sit around and listen to each one of them? The phone calls listened to are those either to/from foreign sources or of suspected terrorists.

    Tell you what, let’s stop the waterboarding, tracing of money, and listening in on terrorists phone calls. Then when a bomb goes off killing one of your loved ones you can cry about how the government didn’t do enough.

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  51. Matt Bramanti on February 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    I am sorry that I find it suspicious that WTC 7 collapsed seven hours later without a plane hitting it and it is not even mentioned in the 911 commssion report.

    Shimmysham Truthseeker, what is your opinion on fire’s capacity for melting steel?

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  52. dcgirl on February 20th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    #48 hopefully we can have RP prove that he won’t take his pension pretty soon - like next January!

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  53. Matt Bramanti on February 20th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    FIRST OF ALL, “RINO” Peden is lending himself money.
    Paul has just raised $1M for his Congressional Race.

    So now asking for money is preferable to self-reliance? ;)

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  54. dcgirl on February 20th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Boy Matt - you beat me to that one!

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  55. texpat on February 20th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Anyone who seriously cites Naomi Wolf as a credible source should be waterboarded…every week.

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  56. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    51. Matt

    May be time for a Shimmysham re-post. “Those who forget the past, . . . “

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  57. thirty3na3rd on February 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    This article is both funny and tragically stupid at the same time.
    The use of the word “ego” in the first paragraph is the same as was used in questioning Mike Huckabee’s persistence in the race. Something sounds like talking points here.
    The accompanying pro-Obama articles here makes me think that Democrats sense easy prey in John McCain.

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  58. squawkbox on February 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
  59. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    46. truthseeker

    Of course politicians are manipulative. The point is that many (not you) hold Paul up as somehow being pure as the driven snow (he is many times refered to as “the honorable” Dr. Paul), unlike other politicans, with more principles, etc. (You have not made that assertion.) And if you want pork, and many people do (see the King of Pork, Robert Byrd, elected to the Senate for about a thousand years by his constituents), then there is nothing wrong with earmarks. But to self-righteously say “I voted against the spending bill” when he knew it was going to pass and when he helped fill it with pork, doesn’t quite jive with him being the ultimate fiscal conservative.

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  60. texpat on February 20th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    The only Ron Paul supporters who are losing their rights of habeas corpus and due process are the ones in Afghanistan and Iraq planting IEDs, acting as snipers, making suicide bombs or slapping Ron Paul stickers on the butts of the burkas of the wives of local warlords. Otherwise, they are as free as any American has ever been.

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  61. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    would you like me to cut and paste you the patriot act. these are my rights being removed.

    Nope. I would like you to give me the exact rights that the Patriot Act has taken away from YOU. I want clear-cut examples, not nebulous troofer talking points.

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  62. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    60. texpat

    Touche!

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  63. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    rick G, thanks for the polite discourse. I agree self righeousness in any context is repulsive. So, who do you like for the whitehouse?

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  64. Shannon on February 20th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    55
    Yeah, but she knows how to dress an alpha male.

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  65. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    texpat hopefully the government does not decide freedom of speech is the next right taken away. especially with your brand of torture, waterboarding is my punishment daily for referencing Naomi Wolfe. You sound like a sensitive open minded guy. Wish you could debate like gentleman.

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  66. LTC on February 20th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    February 18, 2008

    They think they can defeat me in the Republican congressional primary in Texas on March 4th.

    And you know what?

    They may be right.

    Sincerely,
    Ron

    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002869.php

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  67. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    squawkbox, let’s assume it can, can you name any other building it has happened too, also can you tell me why it is not mentioned in the 911 commision report?

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  68. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Hard to debate like a gentleman when people use Naomi Wolfe as a source and accept 9/11 Troofers as legitimate theorists.

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  69. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    63. truthseeker

    Sadly, my first several choices are at home drinking beer (except Romney, 7-UP). But I am more or less forced to vote for McCain because I will not participate in putting HillObama in the White House. I fear that will happen anyway.

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  70. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Do you think if HillObama re-institutes the Fairness Doctrine to shut down talk radio, regulation of internet blogs is next? Or are there enough Lib websites that we’re safe?

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  71. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    can you name any other building it has happened too

    If the two second tallest buildings in the country aren’t enough evidence, what would be the point?

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  72. Matt Bramanti on February 20th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    squawkbox, let’s assume it can, can you name any other building it has happened too,

    Can you name any other building that remained standing after being hit by a 757 with a full load of fuel?

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  73. Matt Bramanti on February 20th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Incidentally, Shimmysham Truthseeker, what is your point about 7 WTC not being explained in the 9/11 report?

    Numerous other buildings were damaged in the attack, including St. Nicholas Church, a Manhattan Community College building, the Deutsche Bank Building and the Verizon Building.

    That document was not meant to be an engineering treatise covering every instance of damage. It was a general explanation of the attack and events leading up to it.

    The report isn’t — and was never intended to be — a complete technical manual of the attack.

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  74. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Shimmysham,
    Shimmysham,
    Won’t you be my Shimmysham?

    Here we go,
    Don’t say no,
    Fire won’t melt steel!

    Giddy-up, giddy-up, giddy-up,
    Goooooooooo,
    My Shimmysham

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  75. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    “The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7,” NIST’s Sunder tells PM. “On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out.” NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7’s upper stories and its southwest corner.

    NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST’s analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of “progressive collapse,” a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or “kinks,” in the building’s facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

    According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building’s failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. “What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors,” Sunder notes, “it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down.”

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5#wtc7

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  76. squawkbox on February 20th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    truthseeker

    I have a category that I place folks like you in. It is not defamatory nor absuive. So ummm welcome to the world of N.W.O.R.

    Give my love to Alex Jones.

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  77. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Numerous other buildings were damaged in the attack, including St. Nicholas Church [Knights Templar coverup], a Manhattan Community College building [Manhattan Project! Hello! "Neocon" i.e. joooz coverup], the Deutsche Bank Building [Prescott Bush coverup] and the Verizon Building [that nerdy guy from the commercial coverup].

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  78. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    77. hamous

    Alex Jones just called. Are you available Sunday night?

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  79. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Rick - I think Daniel James already had me put in Alex’s Fav Five. Every time my cell phone rings this image pops up.

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  80. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Naomi Wolfe. ROFL! I can’t get over this. Don’t that just beat all. Naomi Wolfe knows da troof. She should have stuck to trying to cure Gorezilla’s mannequinesque image.

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  81. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    squawkbox, i understand that you place “folks” in a category, that makes sense for people who need to simplify the world into black and white, unable to see the grey areas that exist. sorry you are unable to be more open minded.

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  82. squawkbox on February 20th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Oh man you ain’t that good. The world is black and white. You call yourself truthseeker? You wouldn’t know the truth much less handle the truth if it hit you in the face.

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  83. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    please enlighten me

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  84. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Is St. Pancake a hero of yours too?

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  85. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    matt, granted other buildings were not mentioned, however the other two buildings that collapsed that day were and WTC 7 was not hit by a plane so it is not like the other two tower that were. again, can you tell me any buildings that have collapsed like WTC 7 from a fire.

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  86. KentBook on February 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    truth: did you read the part about the 30% damage to the building and the load bearing columns, above???

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  87. squawkbox on February 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    And boring too. If i said anything to you the next question is always, “got a link for that”.

    C’mon TS bring something to the table besides a condescending attitude.

    You crack me up. Bahbah Ron is the greatest. He is the one that is gonna save United States from itself. And then down here you follow with I am:

    unable to see the grey areas that exist.

    Buhwahahahahaha and you wonder why I ignore fish like you.

    Ron Paul for all he is, lives in a world of black and white. He does not waver from his stance and YOU are gonna tell me that there are gray areas that I gotta see and that you support Ron Paul?

    Muhawahahahaha you are in way over your head.

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  88. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    well hamous and squawkbox, you guys are great, I really appreciate the time you spent schooling me. I am still lol that the name Naomi Wolfe is something that makes me worthy of being waterboarded which apparently some people do not consider torture, although it may be uncomfortable, again, lol.
    43 - To begin with waterboarding is not torture. Uncomfortable, maybe, but not torture. Torture is those
    I am representing an opposing view point, one which you obviously are disgusted with. You all seem to like to banter back and forth with sarcasm and aggression but no one wants to give any answers. What do we do about our economy, our crappy dollar that is dwindling, immigration, inflation? Any answers gentleman or just more intimidation.

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  89. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Still waiting on the list of those rights that have been taken away from YOU.

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  90. KentBook on February 20th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    A hear a changing tune, guys.

    BTW, Truth, you were asked what rights, You, as an individual Citizen of the US, have lost–no one else, YOU?

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  91. KentBook on February 20th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Beat me hamous

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  92. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Beat me hamous

    Uh, I’m not really into that ;-)

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  93. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    hamous, please, i did not say rp is the greatest. i do think his ideas are important because right now we are so far away from our founding fathers idea of what our country should be. and whatever bahbahbah muhawawaw means, right back at you, you know an extreme position is always needed as a catalyst for change. the world is grey and i am truthfully not trying to be condescending.sorry if i came off that way,but i do feel like fish surrounded by a bunch of sharks right now.

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  94. truthseeker on February 20th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    hamous gotta run, loved chatting with you, hopefully will catch up with you later

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  95. demsrepubsuck on February 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    we’re the american idol update. that type of reporting is up the lone star times alley.

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  96. Big45Iron on February 20th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    DaveB 27, uh, FYI, John McCain’s net worth is a bit more that you think:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/CIDsummary.asp?CID=N00006424&year=2005

    His campaign may owe more money than they have in assets, but John McCain himself is very solvent.

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  97. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    truth - I didn’t say you did. I’m confused. I just asked for the list of those rights YOU lost.

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  98. David Benzion on February 20th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    #95 Actually, demsrepubsuck, this type of reporting is right up LST’s alley.

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  99. Big45Iron on February 20th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Daniel #32, so are you saying unless you live in person’s district, you’re not allowed to express an opinion on what goes on there or support one candidate over another? If so, then since you don’t live on the border, you can only comment on illegals where you live.

    Can we limit that to the smallest geopolitical district where you live? You water district or something?

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  100. MSchaut on February 20th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    If you don’t want him, the rest of us do! Go ahead - set Dr. Paul free from the corrupt and power-hungry one worlders in office now, and see what the people can REALLY do! Thanks, neocons! You’ve proven how you’re losing your grip! http://mschaut.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/freeing-ron-paul-neo-cons-are-idiots/

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  101. hamous on February 20th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    If you don’t want him, the rest of us do!

    Yup, you’re right. All 4% of you. In a republican (small ‘r’) form of government that’s not really enough to get you elected. But keep trying!

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  102. KentBook on February 20th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Conspirists are so entertaining–TOWO, again00get a life.
    Maragaret, keep him please.

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  103. american woman on February 20th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Question: In the early days of LST Ron Paul posts, the article would get as many as 400 hits. Today, we have had very little action. Does the number of posts today, reflect the low percentage of votes at the polls? Where did they all go? ( hehehe)

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  104. debbie on February 20th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Back to Pork - RP puts pork in bills that he knows will “pass because, as Big Jolly points out, “Being a congressman is about working the system, persuading others to join you in legislation and getting as close to $1 back from the feds as your district sends up.” Not perfect, but the only way Paul can get his constituent’s money back and still go on record as being against pork-laden bill. How else would someone who wants to change things from the inside be able to keep getting themselves elected as RP has done 10 times? What are his options?
    On losing rights- It is not that the Patriot Act has been abused (which I’m certain it has) it is that the government WILL abuse it just as soon as it has time. Remember the Red Scare (me neither, but I read about it).
    The problem conspiracy theorists have is that there truly are some really shady things going on and it is hard to separate fact from fiction in such a mess. Case in point: Ron Paul was ridiculed on the debates about his North American Union conspiracy theory but just last night Lou Dobbs had a special segment on it. So is it for real? It is a widely held belief by a lot of people and there seems to be plenty of documentation to back it up. So???
    What bothers me is all the people who think of government as their benevolent protector who can do no wrong and alternately, the people who think everything is a conspiracy. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, but the conspiracy theorists are probably closest.

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  105. RickG on February 20th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    103. aw

    I think many decided, at long last, that we poor slobs would never see the true genius that is the Hon. Dr. Paul, so they washed their hands of us. ;-)

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  106. KentBook on February 20th, 2008 at 6:32 pm