Forget about the GOP Presidential nomination. Ron Paul never had a chance at it and never will. Why he remains in the race (other than ego) is a mystery to me, since his “message” is being almost universally ignored at this point anyway.What was also being largely ignored by many was Paul’s bid for re-election to the U.S. House in Texas’ 14th Congressional District. After all, given the success rates of incumbents and Paul’s repeated re-election to the House, Chris Peden’s challenge to Paul seemed, at best, quixotic.
But Dr. No’s return to Washington in 2009 just might not be a sure thing - at least according to the folks at Pajamas Media (PJM):
Now, polls show Dr. Paul falling behind relatively unknown challenger Chris Peden in his 14th Texas District endangering his congressional seat in the Texas primary.
In fact, the website claims that internal polling of both campaigns shows Peden holds a double-digit lead over “the taxpayer’s best friend.”
While Paul has been a hugely successful fundraiser (and not so succesful vote getter) in the Presidential race, that may not help him in the House battle:
With reports for January 2008 not yet out, Congressman Paul has spent (according to OpenSecrets.org) $20,262,084 on his presidential campaign - well over a million dollars per delegate (he has 14 to John McCain’s 903). Paul still has nearly eight million in his presidential war chest, possibly more when the new report comes out on Feb. 20, but cannot use any of it in his contest against Peden unless the OBGYN-politician drops out of the presidential race.
Over a million dollars per delegate? That’s an interesting example of efficiency and fiscal conservatism. (While Paul continues to count the ways he can vote “no” on legislation, his presidential website curiously brags that he “introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress,” though we are not told how many of them pass.) Paul has spent three times the money as Mike Huckabee, yet Huckabee has over 200 delegates to Paul’s 14 (or 16, depending on the source).
Challenger Peden, whose views overall seem much more in tune with this conservative district, suggested to PJM that Paul couldn’t make himself give up the national race because he so dearly wanted to deliver a speech to the GOP convention (ego, maybe?).
That preoccupation has apparently taken precedence over mending fences at home. For example, Peden points out that the current 14th District includes many residents who work at NASA, while Paul consistently opposes funding of NASA on constitutional grounds. I will leave it to the pocket-Constitution carrying experts to determine the validity of Paul’s position legally, but it doesn’t take much acumen to see that it doesn’t sit well politically down around Clear Lake.
Peden told PJM that, in the remaining days before the primary, he intends to take other matters to the voters, such as the “yet unsolved mystery of the racially controversial newsletters authored under Paul’s name during the nineties.” He also is reminding voters in this conservative district of Paul’s position on funding of our troops in a time of armed conflict. (He also might want to mention Paul’s 9-11 delusions and his belief that mall security guards were providing better security than our troops in Iraq.)
It appears, though, that the Paul Congressional campaign has awakened and is ramping up its efforts to keep the seat:
Paul’s supporters themselves seem to be worried. They have switched fund-raising efforts on their website The Daily Paul in recent days from the presidency to his congressional race.
So Dr. Earmarks seems to have a bit of a tussle on his hands after all. But Peden may well wish Paul’s re-election staff had remained asleep at the switch. It is well-documented how Paul can call upon his devoted followers, on short notice, to deliver the cash (from whatever source) and Paul is likely to swamp District 14 voters with his congressional pitch between now and March 4. That and the power of incumbency combine, in my book, to keep Peden the underdog in this race. On the other hand, how many would have predicted that Peden would even become a serious threat to the Lake Jackson physician who has “delivered more than 4,000 babies”?
At least the next 12 days might be interesting down yonder.
(Note: Pajamams Media has both a podcase and a transcript of the interview with Peden available on its website.)
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Dr. Paul in trouble in his own district? Oh,no, how can that be?
Hey, according to the after debate polls, Ron Paul is still going to win the Presidency by a landslide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwZsFKIXa8
Mean dogs and now Ron Paul. You’re starting to have about the same substantive content as a Barack Obama speech.
Do you think Ron Paul keeps up his presidential bid in the hopes of swelling the campaign chest and then keeping the unused funds for himself?
Ron Paul is determined to get to the convention so that he can tell the Republicans that it is time to take back their party. I am curious, would you prefer McCain’s republicanism over Paul’s. What is the real difference between, Obama, Clinton and McCain on policies. They all use the same rhetoric. Same bogus story over again and again. They are CFR puppets. At least Ron Paul stands for the Constitution, not the Bilderberg Group. He is awakening the people.
This is one of the single most uneducated, moronic pieces of “journalism” I’ve ever read. My God have mercy on your soul.
He’s created a movement away from the disgusting neoconservatives that have infiltrated the Republican party. Regardless of he wins the presidency, his congressional seat, or the local chili-cookoff he’s done more to help this country get back on the road to sanity than anyone else.
Ron Paul is not going to keep his campaign funds. He is one of the few congressman that does not accept the pension plan offered to him as a member of congress. He also is one of the few who voted against the pay increase for congress. Do people really believe he is in this for the money? Ego? If so look at his voting record, at least it’s consistent with his convictions, it doesn’t sway in the wind like almost every other politician.
The march of the PaulBearers begins.
I guess it must be disturbing to Adee that people support Ron Paul, I wonder Adee, who do you support and why?
8.
I agree that Paul is not interested in keeping the campaign funds. I don’t know if he could even do that. We can certainly agree that Paul is not driven by money.
To know him is to love him. Seems people are beginning to know him. How the people in his own district never got to know him (until now) is a mystery to me. He should have kept quiet and nobody would have known…..but now it’s too late. He dosen’t have a clue as to what’s going on in his own district or the state of Texas, but he can deliver babies, according to his radio and tv ads, so maybe that’s what he should be doing. I wish him well.
#6 - Sandy,
First off, to call this piece “uneducated” I suggest you get educated yourself. Your Myspace page lists you as an alumni of a state college which you attended for a year. If you were educated you would know that ‘alumni’ is a plural term, so unless you have a split personality you are an alumna. I read your last blog and I must say that you have fallen hook, line, and sinker, for the MSM nonsense that is presented. How about not depending on NBC or CBS to tell you what to think but really INVESTIGATE things yourself. And if you think that terrorists should be given all the same rights as you have, perhaps you would like to have them live as guests in your home, right? After all, at the age of 21, having been a legal adult all of 3 years, and one year of college behind you, who are we, decades-long taxpayers to be able to say anything correctly? God I wish I were 21 again so that I could know everything!
#8 truthseeker - I have heard that Ron Paul votes against things that he knows will pass so that he can be on record as voting against them. I have heard that he routinely adds pork into bills and then votes against the bills since he knows they will pass - for the same reason - he can say he votes against pork. Does he accept the pay increases that are passed? And since he has not retired from Congress, if he loses his reelection bid, is he barred from collecting the pension just because “he does not accept the pension plan”? Really, I would like to know - I am not baiting you.
Can you answer the question why someone who claims to be about border security and concerned about Ramos and Compean would not even know the name of the US attorney involved?
#10, Fred Thompson, and I voted for him yesterday.
He has the good sense to take the Islamofacists seriously when they say “Death ro America” and move to accomplish that. He has the good sense to propose a serious plan to fix social secuiry before it bankrupts us. He has the wit to understand that soverignty means secure borders and seriously doing something to accomplish that.
He has the wit to understand that strict constructionists must be appointed to Federal judgeships, most importantly SCOTUS if the Constitution, which Dr. Paul carries in his pocket but does not understand, is to be preserved.
Is that enough for you, truthseeker? If not, tough darts.
wow, dcgirl, you sound as though you may need a sedative. polite debate is always better than being hypercritical. Can you tell me who you would vote for and why? Since we all care about our country it seems only right that we can discuss these things together.
Atleast Peden will carry the neocon water cooler. Funny thing is several months ago he said Ron Paul was the most principled man he knew in politics.
We deserve whats coming.
I pray that Huckabee and Paul stay in it to the end!
DJ, you’re such a fatalist.
Adee, no need to be so edgy, I respect your words about Fred Thompson and thank you for answering the question. Ron Paul agrees with some of the same things that Fred Thompson is for, so I don’t see why we can’t be friends. And while Ron Paul may be better as a federal judge I can tell you at least his paradigm of politics is awakening people to the fact the msm and neocon’s and globalists are taking away our country. None of us want to live in the NAU
Does he accept the pay increases that are passed?
I dont think he collects a pay check from the gov.
RickG
Why?
Correction to #15 To not ro/ sovereignty/
I thought I had heard everything you guys had to offer. Wow.
Ron Paul, Federal Judge.
#24 Ha ha, that comment was in reference to #15 Adee’s comment that “strict constitutionilist” should be relegated to federal judges. Anyway, that was certainly taken out of context. LOL. What do you think about Ron Paul Big Jolly?
A last flailing gasp from the organism before the head is chopped off and Dear Leader is relegated to LaRouche status in the history books…
Out with the old spiritual mumbo jumbo, the superstitions, and the backward ways. We’re gonna see a brave new world where they run everybody a wire and hook us all up to a grid. Yes, sir, a veritable age of reason. Like the one they had in France. Not a moment too soon.
What a joke. I hope your readers take the time to research your opinion of Dr. Ron Paul. Might be interesting to let them know he is the only Republican candidate that is currently solvent. McCain had to borrow against his life insurance policy and Hucka beee is broke. He raised it all by grassroots w/average donation under $100.
I’m not really sure what to say about your premise on how much money it costs to but a delegate. People either do or do not get his message. Just look at all the money Romney spent. I think media coverage\censorship has more to do with how America votes.
People in the 14th district appreciate RP’s restrained and uncomprimising use (or non-use) of Congressional power. You should spend a little time looking over some of those speeches and proposals he’s made over the last 30 years. If we heeded his advice this country would be a lot better off. Thanks for your time.
dcgirl, I cannot answer your question I in fact do not know the names either, I bet that McCain, Clinton, Obama, and the current president Bush do not know either. Please educate me regarding this issue. Also with regard to his voting record. I believe it is better to vote no and do that so that you have registered a position than to cowardly not vote as many do on issues. I do not know his reasoning I cannot. I believe his reasoning is based on his beliefs in the constitution. Would like to discuss further but I am at work and need to go. I’ll check back later.
#24 BJ, Your comment is on point. It was “strict constructionist” rather than “constitutionalist” as truthseeker misread and/or misunderstood.
What do I think of RP? I think he’s a nice enough old guy that long ago rose to the level of his incompetence in politics.
Unlike 99.9% of the people that support him, I have lived in his district. In fact, I’m sitting here typing this in his district.
Being a congressman is about working the system, persuading others to join you in legislation and getting as close to $1 back from the feds as your district sends up. All the while, moving your ideas of government forward, which, in Ron’s case, is a smaller federal government.
Tell me, has he done a good job representing his district? Or moving his ideas forward?
#29 I both misread and misunderstood. Hope to continue the debate later, gotta run.
DaveB
Edd Hendee knows whats best for the people of the 14th district. Dont ya know that?
Big Jolly, thanks for your answer, I really would like to discuss further but gotta run. I am a supporter of Ron Paul’s ideas. I do not have the experience of living in his district as you do. It sounds as though you may not feel well represented. I would only respond by saying sometimes people take on an extreme message to get the pendulum swinging back in the other direction. the way usa is headed now is scary. no habeas corpus, legal wiretapping, legalizing torture for god’s sake. these are steps a democracy takes when it is slowly taking away the people’s rights. And so Ron Paul’s ideas do awaken my hope because everybody says the same crap. If a person is not for torturing potentially innocent people in guatonomo then they must be for the terrorists. if we are not willing to give up our rights and privacy for security we must be terrorist symphathizers and unpatriotic. This is craziness. Check out youtube, naomi wolfe “the end of america letter to a young patriot”
F U D. Typical scare tactics of the Left. You guys have swung so far right you popped up on the other side. Naomi Wolfe?? LOL! I think the medical term for her is “paranoid delusional”.
Scare tactics? The boogie man is coming! Give up all your rights so we can keep you safe from the boogie man. Booga booga
I know this is an exercise in futility but please enumerate the rights you’ve lost. Hell, just give me one real one without using Naomi Wolfe/Alex Jones freakshow rhetoric.
#34 Hamous, well it’s said that extreme left and extreme right eventually meet in the middle at the anarchy node. Kinda like a Stargate.
Adee
Teal’c: Indeed
I found it interesting that Ron Paul appears to be the only, or one of the very few, congressman or senators in united states history who has returned his unused funds to run his congressional office for his terms to the treasury. He has done that 20 times.
I also found that the Economist that I have spoken with side with Ron Paul over all his opponents.
Also, there is some question as to Ron Paul voting for earmark: His opponent states “Ron Paul doesn’t vote for the pork” and deprives his constituents of money that are entitled too. Yet I saw and article and people chastising Paul for getting earmarks for his district. What this says is that his opponents are liars and incompetent lairs or they a incompetent and uninformed for they criticize him for what he does and then criticize him for not doing what it is they say he is doing.
Many people don’t subscribe to Ron Paul views on Irq and the War on Terror but Dick Chenny on Tim Russert in 2001 and in reference to Bin Laden said: “his objective, obviously, is to try to influence our behavior to force us to withdraw from that part of the world”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp20010916.html
Which is what Paul, along with the 9/11 commission and the some CIA analyst say.
It would be funny if Ron Paul loses his congressional seat because it might just be the better thing for him. He has a message spreading across the world and like our coveted Constitution, it seems like, and even in a place like Texas, many in America would rather ignore it or call it stupid and outdated.
Isn’t it amazing that GW won over Clinton ( whom I supported until the Kosovo War) and GW (whom I did not support) and that GW won on a humble forgein policy , and yada yada yada… Then turned around and did what ever he wanted. Wow.
I think Ron Paul will lose both the presidency and his congressional seat but even so I am going to vote for the guy, Ron Paul that is, because I think that after everything I could have read that he is the best way to go because the direction he will set for the country would be the best in decades and if the 14th district gets someone else then a democratic will challenge next time and will beat the one termer.
It is very obvious that people do not want Ron Paul or conservative small government, free-trade (not managed trade as an economist friend of mine pointed out.), non interventionism. Or people are too lazy to do their home work on the issues and vote for other reasons. But Ron Paul’s message is not resonating and it appears that Freedom is not popular and many people are willing to trade their freedoms for security and they don’t care that they will lose both so long as someone else pays the bills they don’t care and so long as they vote for the winner they don’t care.
#28 - truthseeker - You don’t know the name Johnny Sutton either?!!! Amazing since it was the hottest topic in the news for quite a while. And you didn’t answer my question. Why does RP put pork in the bills, only to vote against them because he knows they will pass? He puts earmarks into bills that he knows will pass but be able to say he voted against. If he were truly against pork he wouldn’t put in the earmarks in the first place.
To answer your other question, my first choices for President were Tancredo and Hunter, then Thompson. This is based on several questionnaires which asked what was important to you and how much was it important. Every one of them came back Tancredo/Hunter/Thompson as the candidates that most backed my beliefs.
#39 Josh - there are many ideals that I agree with in Ron Paul. However, for him to say that “if we just go home the terrorists won’t bother us” is delusional, dangerous, and just plain stupid. If you knew anything about Islamafascism you would realize that their goal is to either convert all to Islam or to kill those that won’t. That is too dangerous to ignore.
39. josh
No, what this says is you are not reading closely enough. Both of those statements are true - Paul earmarks pork and the votes against the bill that he knows will pass. This allows him to do the pork thing and brag how he voted against spending.
Kind of disengenuous, don’t you think? Clever, manipulating, but disengenuous.
hamous, not so sure I follow you. You are quoting what “brave new world” and yet you do not recognize it as such. I don’t need Naomi Wolfe or Alex Jones to tell me I’ve lost my rights. All I need to do is turn on the television. When the government can arrest who they want without a warrant based only on suspicion and then they can torture that person in Guantonomo Bay without representation, you tell me. Is that a right that has been taken away from people? What about the fact that the government can wiretap us and can listen in on our phone conversations without warrant? That is called a loss of privacy.
To call this security is bulls###. I am not too far left or right, I have my eyes wide open and I suggest you open yours.
What a load of horse dung. It’s condescending crap like that that turn people off and leads to the characterization of RP supporters as cultish.
Examples truthseeker, examples. Not conspiracies that cannot be proven.
rick g and dcgirl , to answer the pork question, i again don’t know. I agree that if that is what he does then it is clever, manipulating, etc… but can you tell me a politician, preferably one you are voting for that does not do clever, manipulating or disengenous things. I do not think Ron Paul is perfect. I do think his message is important, without it all we have are the same people saying the same things and the bilderbergs and CFR’s in charge. I am sorry, but I do not think I need an antipsychotic because I can see that msm deliberately misleads people, that the CFR is interested in globalization and building a NAFTA superhighway. I am sorry that I find it suspicious that WTC 7 collapsed seven hours later without a plane hitting it and it is not even mentioned in the 911 commssion report.
hamous, what is conspiracy about guantonomo bay, shall I cut and paste the recent headline “we only waterboarded 3 people” would you like me to cut and paste you the patriot act. these are my rights being removed.
FIRST OF ALL, “RINO” Peden is lending himself money.
Paul has just raised $1M for his Congressional Race.
Second, neither Peden nor Bilderberg Governor Perry care one crapola about the TTC.
Only Ron Paul cares about the TTC Highway that will displace thousands of Texans.
And to answer your question NO, RP will NOT take any pension from his time in Congress. He gives money back each year.
Peden’s quote about Ron was:
“I have an immense amount of respect for Ron Paul,” the letter read. “Politics has a way of forcing people to go against their core principles for political gain. That has never been the case with Ron Paul.”
Apparently it IS the case for the disingenuous Chris Peden….
#38 Hamous, Bless you, laughter is the best medicine, and my sinuses are suffering this afternoon.
#43 - To begin with waterboarding is not torture. Uncomfortable, maybe, but not torture. Torture is those same terrorists that are given 3 squares and a directional pointer to Mecca slowly slicing off someone’s head. Or the Nazi’s pulling out your fingernails. Or Sadam sticking you feet first into a wood chipper.
Secondly, the government is not listening in on your phone calls. Really now! Do you think your conversations are interesting enough to warrant the spending of time and money to listen to them? How many phone calls are happening around this country each second of the day? Do you think we have the manpower to sit around and listen to each one of them? The phone calls listened to are those either to/from foreign sources or of suspected terrorists.
Tell you what, let’s stop the waterboarding, tracing of money, and listening in on terrorists phone calls. Then when a bomb goes off killing one of your loved ones you can cry about how the government didn’t do enough.
ShimmyshamTruthseeker, what is your opinion on fire’s capacity for melting steel?#48 hopefully we can have RP prove that he won’t take his pension pretty soon - like next January!
So now asking for money is preferable to self-reliance?
Boy Matt - you beat me to that one!
Anyone who seriously cites Naomi Wolf as a credible source should be waterboarded…every week.
51. Matt
May be time for a Shimmysham re-post. “Those who forget the past, . . . “
This article is both funny and tragically stupid at the same time.
The use of the word “ego” in the first paragraph is the same as was used in questioning Mike Huckabee’s persistence in the race. Something sounds like talking points here.
The accompanying pro-Obama articles here makes me think that Democrats sense easy prey in John McCain.
Nahhh steel can’t melt. Heat has absolutely no effect on steel.
46. truthseeker
Of course politicians are manipulative. The point is that many (not you) hold Paul up as somehow being pure as the driven snow (he is many times refered to as “the honorable” Dr. Paul), unlike other politicans, with more principles, etc. (You have not made that assertion.) And if you want pork, and many people do (see the King of Pork, Robert Byrd, elected to the Senate for about a thousand years by his constituents), then there is nothing wrong with earmarks. But to self-righteously say “I voted against the spending bill” when he knew it was going to pass and when he helped fill it with pork, doesn’t quite jive with him being the ultimate fiscal conservative.
The only Ron Paul supporters who are losing their rights of habeas corpus and due process are the ones in Afghanistan and Iraq planting IEDs, acting as snipers, making suicide bombs or slapping Ron Paul stickers on the butts of the burkas of the wives of local warlords. Otherwise, they are as free as any American has ever been.
Nope. I would like you to give me the exact rights that the Patriot Act has taken away from YOU. I want clear-cut examples, not nebulous troofer talking points.
60. texpat
Touche!
rick G, thanks for the polite discourse. I agree self righeousness in any context is repulsive. So, who do you like for the whitehouse?
55
Yeah, but she knows how to dress an alpha male.
texpat hopefully the government does not decide freedom of speech is the next right taken away. especially with your brand of torture, waterboarding is my punishment daily for referencing Naomi Wolfe. You sound like a sensitive open minded guy. Wish you could debate like gentleman.
February 18, 2008
They think they can defeat me in the Republican congressional primary in Texas on March 4th.
And you know what?
They may be right.
Sincerely,
Ron
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002869.php
squawkbox, let’s assume it can, can you name any other building it has happened too, also can you tell me why it is not mentioned in the 911 commision report?
Hard to debate like a gentleman when people use Naomi Wolfe as a source and accept 9/11 Troofers as legitimate theorists.
63. truthseeker
Sadly, my first several choices are at home drinking beer (except Romney, 7-UP). But I am more or less forced to vote for McCain because I will not participate in putting HillObama in the White House. I fear that will happen anyway.
Do you think if HillObama re-institutes the Fairness Doctrine to shut down talk radio, regulation of internet blogs is next? Or are there enough Lib websites that we’re safe?
If the two second tallest buildings in the country aren’t enough evidence, what would be the point?
Can you name any other building that remained standing after being hit by a 757 with a full load of fuel?
Incidentally,
ShimmyshamTruthseeker, what is your point about 7 WTC not being explained in the 9/11 report?Numerous other buildings were damaged in the attack, including St. Nicholas Church, a Manhattan Community College building, the Deutsche Bank Building and the Verizon Building.
That document was not meant to be an engineering treatise covering every instance of damage. It was a general explanation of the attack and events leading up to it.
The report isn’t — and was never intended to be — a complete technical manual of the attack.
Shimmysham,
Shimmysham,
Won’t you be my Shimmysham?
Here we go,
Don’t say no,
Fire won’t melt steel!
Giddy-up, giddy-up, giddy-up,
Goooooooooo,
My Shimmysham
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5#wtc7
truthseeker
I have a category that I place folks like you in. It is not defamatory nor absuive. So ummm welcome to the world of N.W.O.R.
Give my love to Alex Jones.
77. hamous
Alex Jones just called. Are you available Sunday night?
Rick - I think Daniel James already had me put in Alex’s Fav Five. Every time my cell phone rings this image pops up.
Naomi Wolfe. ROFL! I can’t get over this. Don’t that just beat all. Naomi Wolfe knows da troof. She should have stuck to trying to cure Gorezilla’s mannequinesque image.
squawkbox, i understand that you place “folks” in a category, that makes sense for people who need to simplify the world into black and white, unable to see the grey areas that exist. sorry you are unable to be more open minded.
Oh man you ain’t that good. The world is black and white. You call yourself truthseeker? You wouldn’t know the truth much less handle the truth if it hit you in the face.
please enlighten me
Is St. Pancake a hero of yours too?
matt, granted other buildings were not mentioned, however the other two buildings that collapsed that day were and WTC 7 was not hit by a plane so it is not like the other two tower that were. again, can you tell me any buildings that have collapsed like WTC 7 from a fire.
truth: did you read the part about the 30% damage to the building and the load bearing columns, above???
And boring too. If i said anything to you the next question is always, “got a link for that”.
C’mon TS bring something to the table besides a condescending attitude.
You crack me up. Bahbah Ron is the greatest. He is the one that is gonna save United States from itself. And then down here you follow with I am:
Buhwahahahahaha and you wonder why I ignore fish like you.
Ron Paul for all he is, lives in a world of black and white. He does not waver from his stance and YOU are gonna tell me that there are gray areas that I gotta see and that you support Ron Paul?
Muhawahahahaha you are in way over your head.
well hamous and squawkbox, you guys are great, I really appreciate the time you spent schooling me. I am still lol that the name Naomi Wolfe is something that makes me worthy of being waterboarded which apparently some people do not consider torture, although it may be uncomfortable, again, lol.
43 - To begin with waterboarding is not torture. Uncomfortable, maybe, but not torture. Torture is those
I am representing an opposing view point, one which you obviously are disgusted with. You all seem to like to banter back and forth with sarcasm and aggression but no one wants to give any answers. What do we do about our economy, our crappy dollar that is dwindling, immigration, inflation? Any answers gentleman or just more intimidation.
Still waiting on the list of those rights that have been taken away from YOU.
A hear a changing tune, guys.
BTW, Truth, you were asked what rights, You, as an individual Citizen of the US, have lost–no one else, YOU?
Beat me hamous
Uh, I’m not really into that
hamous, please, i did not say rp is the greatest. i do think his ideas are important because right now we are so far away from our founding fathers idea of what our country should be. and whatever bahbahbah muhawawaw means, right back at you, you know an extreme position is always needed as a catalyst for change. the world is grey and i am truthfully not trying to be condescending.sorry if i came off that way,but i do feel like fish surrounded by a bunch of sharks right now.
hamous gotta run, loved chatting with you, hopefully will catch up with you later
we’re the american idol update. that type of reporting is up the lone star times alley.
DaveB 27, uh, FYI, John McCain’s net worth is a bit more that you think:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/CIDsummary.asp?CID=N00006424&year=2005
His campaign may owe more money than they have in assets, but John McCain himself is very solvent.
truth - I didn’t say you did. I’m confused. I just asked for the list of those rights YOU lost.
#95 Actually, demsrepubsuck, this type of reporting is right up LST’s alley.
Daniel #32, so are you saying unless you live in person’s district, you’re not allowed to express an opinion on what goes on there or support one candidate over another? If so, then since you don’t live on the border, you can only comment on illegals where you live.
Can we limit that to the smallest geopolitical district where you live? You water district or something?
If you don’t want him, the rest of us do! Go ahead - set Dr. Paul free from the corrupt and power-hungry one worlders in office now, and see what the people can REALLY do! Thanks, neocons! You’ve proven how you’re losing your grip! http://mschaut.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/freeing-ron-paul-neo-cons-are-idiots/
Yup, you’re right. All 4% of you. In a republican (small ‘r’) form of government that’s not really enough to get you elected. But keep trying!
Conspirists are so entertaining–TOWO, again00get a life.
Maragaret, keep him please.
Question: In the early days of LST Ron Paul posts, the article would get as many as 400 hits. Today, we have had very little action. Does the number of posts today, reflect the low percentage of votes at the polls? Where did they all go? ( hehehe)
Back to Pork - RP puts pork in bills that he knows will “pass because, as Big Jolly points out, “Being a congressman is about working the system, persuading others to join you in legislation and getting as close to $1 back from the feds as your district sends up.” Not perfect, but the only way Paul can get his constituent’s money back and still go on record as being against pork-laden bill. How else would someone who wants to change things from the inside be able to keep getting themselves elected as RP has done 10 times? What are his options?
On losing rights- It is not that the Patriot Act has been abused (which I’m certain it has) it is that the government WILL abuse it just as soon as it has time. Remember the Red Scare (me neither, but I read about it).
The problem conspiracy theorists have is that there truly are some really shady things going on and it is hard to separate fact from fiction in such a mess. Case in point: Ron Paul was ridiculed on the debates about his North American Union conspiracy theory but just last night Lou Dobbs had a special segment on it. So is it for real? It is a widely held belief by a lot of people and there seems to be plenty of documentation to back it up. So???
What bothers me is all the people who think of government as their benevolent protector who can do no wrong and alternately, the people who think everything is a conspiracy. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, but the conspiracy theorists are probably closest.
103. aw
I think many decided, at long last, that we poor slobs would never see the true genius that is the Hon. Dr. Paul, so they washed their hands of us.
104: Of course they are–they always are,,,,NNWW
104. debbie
How about taking the most principled stance on this issue, like a handfull in Congress (including McCain) have, of earmarking $0? Then he could say, “I voted against this spending bill AND I voted against expensive pork barrell projects” rather than just half that sentence.
105: And there was much rejoicing! yeeeahhhh!
Well, I have read the article and the ensuing comments, and a few things are easily apparent.
The author has written this article to attack and mislead and even detractors of Dr. Paul have to admit that.
And also apparent is the glee with which posters on here attack anyone in support of Dr. Paul. Undoubtedly to get kicks out of some of the more passionate and less eloquent “Ronulans”, as you seem to call us, posting responses.
I’m not writing to attack anyone’s statements, or to belittle anyone’s beliefs, but there are some obviously misunderstood facts being thrown around.
And so I challenge you to respond thoughtfully and intelligently to what I write below:
*Earmarks: Yes, Ron Paul attaches earmarks to some bills and then votes against them because they contain earmarks. He has explained this, and I offer that explanation to you. Congress sets a budget every year. That budget contains a certain amount of discretionary spending which Congress has the authority to spend. Any monies not spent by Congress are left to the Executive Branch to spend. Additionally, as some have pointed out as a reason for supporting Mr Peden, the people of CD14 pay $X in taxes. Those taxes will be spent by the government one way or the other, and thus it is only right that an equivalent portion of those funds go back to CD14. It is a little odd to attack one candidate for doing something you want the other candidate to do.
*Islamofascists: To be true to the English language you should use the term “Islamotheocrats” if you are to make the argument that they attack us with the goal of instituting an Islamic government over us and the world.
#41 dcgirl: ”If you knew anything about Islamafascism you would realize that their goal is to either convert all to Islam or to kill those that won’t. That is too dangerous to ignore.”
You might want to contact the Pentagon and let them know, because the US Army is training its officers that that the “Islamofascists” are perverting Islam as a means of accomplishing their geo-political goal of ending American intervention into the Middle East. I might know. I was there.
Sounds an awful lot like what all the CIA experts and Ron Paul have to say about al Qaeda. If we left the Iraq it is true there would continue to be a threat for years, but continuing to meddle in the Middle East and keeping troops indefinitely in Iraq will ensure that al Qaeda maintains the ability to recruit. He doesn’t speak of ending the war on terror, just altering the strategic approach to be in line with what 99% of all terrorism experts are saying.
*Torture: Water-boarding: As stated by the US Attorney General “Water Boarding only feels like torture.” I don’t even know how to argue a point if someone views torture as ok. According to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, is “any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person…” Basically it comes down to your own personal morals, as a soldier it is appalling to think that anyone could support it.
*Civil Liberties (aka Rights): Simply because you have not the occasion to exercise your right to free speech which has been taken, does not mean that it has not been taken. The purpose of free speech as stated in the First Amendment is “to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” If you are only given “free speech” with in the confines of a designated space, assured that no member of government will be likely to hear your grievance, are you really being given the right to seek a redress of your grievance?
If you have not been subjected to a search by a non-judicial warrant, had your phone tapped without a warrant, or been stolen away without the right to legal counsel have the protections for your god-given rights not been taken away? Is the fact YOU haven’t been murdered make murder any more or less right? The fact is that the government can now “legally” violate the rights guaranteed by the bill of rights.
Is there danger in letting people keep their rights? You betcha! I would rather live free and die. In the words of Thomas Jefferson “I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”
I challenge you to:
Read the Declaration of Independence
Read the Constitution
Read the Federalist Papers
Research the difference between a Democracy and a Republic
Join the military, serve in the “War on Terror”
Then come back here and tell me that you don’t at least UNDERSTAND what Ron Paul is really saying. You don’t have to agree, but at least you won’t be lacking the truth and insight of what this country really stands for and the sacrifices soldiers make.
#105 Either that or they finally woke up and realized that money bombs and blimps don’t translate into votes. Or they realized that coming here and degrading us mere mortals for daring to criticize their savior was not an effectual technique. Either way it must be disheartening. After all, THEY know the truth. Why O why can they not make us see the light?
Ok, there’s a few left
110: we couldn’t be that lucky.
Rick- Thank you! I looked that up, and you are right. I now have one reason to vote for McCain! Before now I couldn’t think of any. I don’t know how he gets reelected without bringing home the bacon, but bully for him if he does. I just wish he wasn’t a war monger.
111. hamous
Hey, hamous, go read the Declaration of Independenced, the Constitution and the Federalist Papers, you rube!!
Oh guys and gals, I thought they went to see Obama last night at the Toyota Center and were converted! ( giggling so hard)
Did that in elementary, junior high, high school, community college, college, and at least once a year for the last 13 years.
Did that in elementary, junior high, high school, community college, college, and at least once a year for the last 13 years.
Did that in junior high, high school, community college, college, and at least once a year for the last 13 years.
Did that in junior high, high school, community college, college, and at least once a year for the last 13 years.
I’m sure you’re not invoking the flawed chickenhawk argument, but no I did not serve in the war on terror.
I know what he’s saying. It doesn’t matter whether I agree with some of what he says. Much of it is crazy talk that would do harm to our country.
Either that, or the “you can’t argue with facts and logic” theory. Mebbe they should be introduced to that fanTABulous product known to LST posters, as duct tape.
109.
Do you really expect us mere humans to ever understand the depths of the mind of Baba Ron?
Seriously, I don’t know if you’ve come here often, but we have debated Paul and every issue you mention, at length and repeatedly. And, jeepers, believe or not, most of us have read all them there documints you list - even the big words. And, I’ll wager many of us have read more by and about Paul than many of his Paulbots who come here and preach about his genius (many clearly haven’t investigated much past his website).
So your condescension is mispalced.
Lame, lame, lame. Show some real leadership and don’t put in earmarks that you have no intention of voting for. Create legislation (and get it passed) that stops earmarks, shrinks the government, and lowers taxes. Put up or shut up.
I’ve got a twist for you guys- how about explaining what is so good about the Patriot Act and why it is so important to renew it. And, just for fun, besides pointing out that RP has failed to get many votes, pick a plank from his platform and dispute it. Just for kicks. It might seem less personal… unless that is your aim.
Awwww, blockquotes 1, ST Zero…..
Hey! I just received my pocket Constitution from Heritagefoundation today. Skimming briefly, I do not see any earmarks in our Constitution. Will do an in depth search after supper and homework, however….
We have! That’s what gets me. I’ve read so much about this joker, both pro and con, I don’t think I’ve known any politician better than Ron Paul.
119. jimb
Did you notice that Paul brags he “probably” introduces more legislation than any member of Congress?
I wonder how I missed all the revolutionary changes brought to our country by Dr. Paul’s legislation?
I can send more marriage proposals to Reese Witherspoon than any other fat middle aged man in America, but guess what I’ll have to show for it?
Dang, HAL. I think I love you.
But But But i was just told that I had to consider the gray areas, that there was no black and white.
Oh wiat it is OK to create earmarks and then vote against the budget knowing the earmarks will be funded. Now I get it.
Hmmm isn’t that in the centerfold section of the Constituiton?
Thank gawduhhhh the Ronulans are here to shed light on my dark life. gawduhhh bless you Ronulans. How did I ever make it this long?
Shhhhh don’t let my wife find out.
#120 debbie - we’ve done that so many times to do it again would be pointless. RP supporters are blinded by the aura of Dear Leader.
Darn! I guess I joined your party too late. The truth be told you guys probably don’t even vote and this is just your fun way of picking on the nerds. Have fun. Gotta Go.
#127 Hamous: Yanno what’s worse than RP supporters? /Bob42 and others excluded….
Obama supporters. That is down-right spooky. Talk about a cult-ish mind meld.
#120
I got a better idea. Howsabout the Ronulans quit reading and memorizing the talking points and debate from their own brains.
#128 Debbie: DOH! We’re busted. We are all criminals in the Rosharon facility. Some serving hard core life and some, psych ward. /can ya bust us out?
Hook us up!
#129 ST - true. The real scary part is they don’t seem to be angry like the RP supporters. They remind me of those girls that followed Charles Manson around. BO supporters are Squeaky Fromm!
RickG, washed their hands of us? Does that make him Pontious Paulet?
#133 Big45: Bwa-hahahaha!!!!
Hamous, regarding the chickenhawk argument, these men never served in the military or militia: Ben Franklin (1 year of formal schooling), Thomas Jefferson, Sam Adams, John Hancock.
I think at this point we can no longer consider them Ronulans. They have been absorbed into the Clingon empire.
#133 - ROF! good one
You are correct to assume that the citizens of this country has been robotized into voting for the plasicated widgets produced by the republicrats. It is “we” that let jerks like you robotize us so that you can continue with your unlawful, unconstitutional, unethical and immoral behavior. You want to dig into our private lives, paychecks, liberty and burden our grandchildren fighting illegal, unconstitutional, undeclared wars and printing fraudulent money to carry out this lawlessness. Eat s…, you jerk. Many more Ron Pauls are headed your way so get very accustomed to it. We accept your ingnorance because the truth will set us free while you continue to post up idle bulls… and follow the thugs in D.C. to their isle of misery. You are one of the most ignorant people in this country. How can someone like you, have any right to smear a man that operates from a set of decent principles. Ron Paul is the only candidate in my 41 years of voting that operates from principle. The rest offers “change” and you get 4 more years of the same. Maybe it’s that you might have an agenda that you forgot to mention. There are millions of us and you can bet that our turn will come and Ron Paul’s revolution has paved the way. Robots like you will surely fail, it is our hope that we stop you before this country is bankrupt and hated by every nation on earth.
Hamous, I thought about using Pontious Paulates, but couldn’t make the exercise angle fit in.
Big
I left a message for you over in OC.
Tigerghs 138, I must admit for a zealot you exhibit excellent verbal and grammatical skills. You also exhibit an arrogance and foolishness of an equal level. The people (remember the people?) have spoken and decided to a degree of 95% or better than Ron Paul is not fit to run the country.
We are not going to ignore the groups Ron Paul chose to get in bed with - that being racist hate groups. They are just as dangerous as any liberal. And you really believe that it is only recently that Ron Paul has suddenly discovered this close association (or are you included in their numbers?)? His trying to disavow them at this point is utter nonsense.
But you just go on thinking you are superior (or is that supremacist?) to 95% of all people voting for the Republican candidates. In the meantime, as free citizens, we chose simply to observe your tirade and properly dispose of it in the garbage.
#141 Big45Iron
Oh man, don’t throw that one away. It belongs in our Ron Paul Idolatry Hall of Fame. Hands down, it gets in on the first round of voting.
Texpat 140, not sure where to look.
Check Dear Leader’s pocket constitution:
which shows just how much you Paulbots actually know, or even care, about the Constitution.
hamous, where is that from? I don’t think I have ever read that document.
; - )
Yes tigerghs
#138
We are watching you.
We know your every move.
We are coming to take you away.
You are pwn3d
We’ve reached a new level of arrogance displayed by the organism tonight.
Big45Iron
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/20/wednesday-open-comments-47/#comment-248678
hamous
Nor do I have any idea what LT_Bjorgaard was talking about in #109:
Do you have any idea which constitution they are reading ?
No clue, texpat. I guess the pocket constitution is the Readers Digest version. The Organism is in its death throes.
Texhamouspat
My G-ma used to gripe about my G-pa’s constitution on occasion, could it be that constitution they are talking about?
so hamous,squawkbox, txpat rickg and big are you guys all hangin out in the same watering hole getting paid the same slary for spewing this stuff.
“As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there’s a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.” - Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. - Dresden James
you guys are like frat brothers withyour cute little acronyms and your inside jokes. what is your actual point. please
truthseeker, I would take pause if I were you. The gentleman you are referring to put a lot of time, effort, and thought into what they post here. Put some thought into a valid argument, get the chip off your shoulder, and come back when you are prepared for an adult discussion.
truthseeker
what’s yours?
duhmoose, that sounds like a threat, also you joined this discourse a little late, so back off please and squawkbox, my point is this country is in trouble. so what can we do? why is ron paul and anything he stands for so f’n terrible? what is so great about the current adminisitration? You guys continually complain about “paulite” or whatever the f### being condescending. What is the alternative. Do you think it’s good that we have a national debt that is owed to the federal reserve. Do you think it’s good that we are in Iraq? Do you think it’s okay the way things are going? Tell me. What is your opinion on the current affairs.
Our point has been made in dozens of thread posts and thousands of comments over the last 14 months concerning Ron Paul, his positions, his history, his campaign, his legitimate supporters, his many sycophantic followers, the endless creepy contributors and the bizarre statements and silences of his campaign. We really don’t have any patience for any of them anymore, but we do still put up RP threads just for sport.
truthseeker, I’ve been in on this debate for the better part of a year.
What the Clingons refuse to remember is there are 300 million firearms in the hands of free Americans, millions of whom well trained to use them, and those ranks are being replenished constantly with new Americans fresh from military service who are up to date on all the latest technology. I do not fear military repression though, since likely they would refuse orders that were contrary in any serious way to our liberty.
The Clingons also refuse to observe the dissent we have shown against both parties. But note that all viewpoints are allowed here…regardless of whether we agree or not. It seems that the Clingons think we have our nerve voicing our opinions though. Such a mindset is truly dangerous to liberty…and falls right in the rule of tyranny that Ron Paul’s Nazi friends would foist upon us.
So we recognize your bluster and your foolishness which you try and disguise as being the one true patriotism and following of the Constitution - while in the same breath you seek to stomp out the free speech of the rest of us. Yours is a sick, twisted, and dangerous mind. The world has seen your kind from 1933 to 1945. It’s not going to happen again. Not here.
And yes, I’m in a watering hole called Hawaii. Bet my watering hole is better than yours!!
well duhmoose, texpat and the gang (apparently) if you have no passion for the sport anymore maybe you should step out of the game. If I am a sycophant or naive or a newcomer please enlighten me. I am waiting for your rebuttal. If you think everything is going great then say it. And if you don’t then tell me what is your position. It is a fair question. I am not a robot or an organism and I am interested in debate. So what is so bad about Ron Paul and What is so great about every other politician?
Big, You are drinking to much hawaiin water. what are you talking about. Dude, I envy you living in hawaii. But Ron Paul not about taking away gun rights so I am sorry I don’t get you.
You know, if DJ would just go turn himself into the Feds, we could still have our Fraternity House right there on Lake Travis. We’d have to figure out what to do with all the cats, though. And there’s alot of sorority girls in Austin.
Big, when I mentioned NaomiWolf and her discussion of germany in the 30’s your friend hamous suggests i should be waterboarded weekly so you gusy are completely contradicting yourselves. free speech is the friggin point.we are having a polite discourse, so i do not understand your statement at all.
Still waiting for that list, truthseeker. By my count this is the fifth time I’ve asked for it. Luckily, your type is a dime a dozen here and I never expected an answer.
Truth, extract your head from your rectum. Nobody has said things are going great. Some are good, some are fair, some are not so good. That is constantly being observed here in virtually every thread.
Tiger questioned where we got the right to question Ron Paul, which he called smearing him. Well, a great many of us here paid for that right by military service. Some in combat, some not.
We have pointed out flaws and pluses in nearly all politicians. Few have been referred to as great. One thing I can tell you for sure. Ron Paul is definitely not in the great category. If he was, he would have ensured from day one that any association with any neo Nazi group was immediately terminated. If he can’t figure out something like that, he sure as HELL isn’t smart enough to handle intelligence data dealing with national security and foreign diplomacy.
texpat that was a great answer to my question thanks
When I talk about 300 million firearms in the hands of free Americans, I mean that we (who you dub as mindless robots) are the final arbitrators of our own liberty. It sure isn’t Clingons.
truthseeker you are in way over your head.
However I being the benevolent type never to ignore a request
Here is my response to all your questions. Google is your friend but I have provided the link. Click the link, just go down the list and you too, yes you too can find all our discussions on Lonestartimes.com.
AMEN!
I love paulbots. They come onto a blog that they have never been to before and think none of us have entered into these discussions/debate/ or arguments before.
Now that is arrogance.
what the hell is that? You just said it didn’t ya?
#166 truthseeker
I demand to be credited for the waterboarding statement. The mere mention of Naomi Wolf always invokes images of waterboarding in my mind.
lol, lol squawkbox, you the benevolent type, not so sure I can believe that and once again, i guess you are tiring of the sport , and big, again i am not stating anything like me being the one true patriot, i respect and thank gratefully anyone here who has served in the military. I just don’t get you guys, why do you hate ron so much? what is the alternative?
Ron
Paul will wipe the floor with Peden
Peden’s been running without opposition, like Hillary was last year
Wasting your money on Peden, he’s not got a chance
I’m all over it.
I don’t hate Ron Paul. In fact I do not hate anyone. It is not in my nature to hate anyone. In fact you confuse hate with honest disagreement with the man’s policies.
BTW it is because of that confusion that I resist nay decline to discuss Dr. Paul with you. You have already prejudged us. So what’s the purpose?
I am Nomad, I am perfect. Error, Error..you are the Kirk!! You are the creator!
Wrong Nomad!…You are in error….Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated…I am Nomad I am perfect.
Job Description No. 1471 - Political Prognosticator
BROTHER PHIL!!!!
Good to see ya.
Wazzup Bannable. Give me a shout if you get down this way.
#181 - LOL. I haven’t seen that episode in 30 years and I can see it just like it was yesterday.
Doing ok Brother Squawk. Just trying to inject a little humor into this depressing political cycle.
That is my favorite ST original series episode.
Captain, that was a fascinating display of logic.
Didn’t think I had it in me did you Spock?
No, sir.
you guys are really really sick, and i shouldn’t have used the word hate. okay so forgive me i mistyped. can you please discuss policy. the jokes on me, whatever, if you guys are serious about debate then tell me, do you think the federal reserce is a good thing? what are your views on the highway from canada to mexico( not conspiracy, please don’t spew that line out), what about the war on iraq?
Speaking of policy, how’s about that list? (sixth time)
Brother Phil
Appreciate the humor. Man we need it.
Yeppers on that StarTrek episode. I am still a TOS fan. Channel 55 the Tube has regular episodes on Saturday night.
hammie
I do not think troofer person entiendes quid-pro-quo.
Thanks. We try
Oh no problem. We are such misunderstood little waifs.
#189 squawk - yeah I know. I’d feel bad if I didn’t try though. In the years since the dreaded “Patriot Act” I’ve probably asked that same question a couple hundred times. Never once has it been answered.
Going to bed. You’ve seen one Lunar eclipse you’ve seen ‘em all. They’re like parades…without the freaky clowns.
squawk and hammie, you guys are more condescending than any “paulite”, Hammie I answered your question my rights have been taken away by the patriot act. if you cannot deduce from that then you have problems with logical thinking. i am sure you are intelligent enough to understand what rights are taken away with that act. i don’t want post a link.
Heh
The Pat Act is what got me the boot at ZDNET
you guys will not answer questio you only post inside jokes and condescending remarks, this sycophant will be leaving now because although i respect your opinon i feel your are either too smug, arrogant or lazy to debate further. thanks anyway.
truthseeker
mois? Condescending? Au contraire.
Grouchy as hell maybe but condescending…. never. BTW I did say I did not want to play this pm.
Can’t speak for the other guys.
ok then squawk, what are you so grouchy about?
Toodles time for this old fart to go to bed. Try back tommorow when I am in a better mood to argue.
truthseeker
I am the moderator here on this blog. I take as well as I give by the way. So fire away it will not be held against you by me. Anyway the inside joke is that I stay grouchy so that I treat everyone equal. Actually I am just an all round nice guy.
fair enough,if i can find you guys i’ll be back, you know, i may like ron paul’s views but that does not mean i can not hear other people’s views so give me a chance.
And i am really tired from today. And I am an old fart. Younger than some but older than most.
Fair enough. Gotta give ya credit, ya gotta be a glutton for punishment. You have a good eve and do stop back by. Bookmark the site. We’ll be here and there are other things we discuss.
Cheers
#195 truthseeker
If you are truly curious and sincerely want to know what we think about Ron Paul and his positions, here are about 2,700 links to threads and comments on Lone Star Times over the last year, the same link Squawk gave you in #171.
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Ron+Paul&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&cr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=Lonestartimes.com&as_rights=&safe=images
Why is this website so hateful? Making fun of somebody who earnestly wants to help Americans just isn’t right. I’ve seen many fallacies here. There is a lot of perpetuation going on also. The band-wagon fallacy being the primary tool is obvious with the satirical image and comments — also including accusations of racism.
Speaking in “racist code”? I think there’s enough kool-aid and tin-foil hats to go around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At6C1X1uZfw
Texas NAACP Director, Nelson Linder, defended Ron Paul, who is a friend of 20 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvFLSwDvBUA
For some of those who do support Ron Paul, it would be wise to take a deep breathe before responding to anybody who calls you names. Get used to it, people. “Reaction is what the name callers are after.” Everybody could use a little refresher course.
Yes, even some of the grown-ups should read it.
http://teenadvice.about.com/library/weekly/aa101600c.htm
http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/ct.wg.name.html
The Media should have let his voice be heard equally, but we should all support their right to be biased as a private company too — Ron Paul wouldn’t want censorship, and neither should the supporters. If you don’t want a product, nobody is forcing you to buy it. On the other hand, maybe he should be “kicking someone’s ass”, like Jay Leno said. Not for being excluded, but for defamation.
Here DJ
About 1200 other comments, posts and stories for you to get incensed over.
btw
teenadvice.about.com.? propagandacritic.com?
Muhwahahahaha that is rich. Yeppers I am going to pay attention to your rant alright.
Sigh. Delusion reigns supreme.
The “double-digit” lead thing was made up. It was made up by a Paul-hating blog, citing a “source” in Paul’s congressional campaign. The same “source” supposedly said Paul was dropping his presidential bid to spend that money on his congressional reelection. Has that happened? It’s been over a week since the “source” said Paul’s dropout was imminent, whereas Paul just today on CNN said he wasn’t dropping out. Hmm…
Even Peden himself kind of disputed the 43-32 made-up number in the interview.
And finally, Paul has taken in nearly a million since February 1 (see ronpaulforcongress.com). Over 430,000 of it coming in two days ago when Paul asked for some money.
I know what some of you are thinking: Why the heck would you vote for Ron Paul?
I wasn’t sure whom I would vote for when the presidential debates began months ago.
With America’s economic, foreign policy, immigration, infrastructure and health care problems worsening every day, I was positive that none of the original 16 candidates could honestly and effectively run the country.
Candidates from both parties can be either “hope mongers,” spouting bleeding-heart ideals and dreams that cannot be obtained either socially or economically. Or, some are “fear mongers,” centering their platforms on Islamic extremism and how we need to be in Iraq for 100 years.
But then I heard about one particular candidate-one who has received a huge amount of Internet support, led most GOP straw polls and broken records, including his own, for raising money in a 24-hour period. He holds true to the Founding Fathers’ principles and speaks for the American middle class.
His name is Ron Paul.
Paul is a tenured politician, having served in the U.S. House of Representatives since the mid-’70s. Paul also ran for president in the 1988 election as a Libertarian. He currently serves as a Congressman for the 14th District of Texas.
Ron Paul’s primary concern is limiting the powers of the government by drastically reducing government spending and reducing the size of government.
He would also reduce the size of the military abroad by closing our bases overseas, establishing a stronger monetary system by supporting paper money with gold and silver, strengthening the national defense, abolishing the IRS and instituting an excise tax on goods made in the United States.
He would also abolish the inflation tax, created when more money is printed to inflate the money supply. This devalues the dollar, which means we have to pay more for what we buy.
Paul would also protect our country’s national sovereignty by establishing strong borders, eliminating the North American Free Trade Agreement, withdrawing from the World Trade Organization and putting an end to the “welfare” state by outlawing free health care, social security and welfare for illegal aliens.
Paul’s beliefs are not only the most sensible policies to establish, but are reflective of a well-managed, highly effective government, which is what the Founding Fathers intended.
Americans want lower taxes, want the government to stop butting into their lives, want the troops home from an illegal war, want less military presence around the globe, want a sound monetary system so they can keep saving and spending, want a strong national defense to keep ourselves safe at home, want the income tax and inflation tax gone so we don’t pay nearly half of what we make to the government, and want strong national sovereignty by eliminating NAFTA, leaving the WTO, and want illegal aliens to stop depleting our economy and go back home.
Despite his popularity with Internet users and grassroots supporters, Paul has not fared well in the caucuses and primaries. But he continues to press on.
His values, beliefs and integrity are what are driving him to continue his campaign, even though he only has 16 delegates as opposed to Arizona Sen. John McCain’s 830 and even former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s 217, according to CNN.com.
Why has he not gotten enough of the votes, even though his loyal supporters raised $6 million in a single day (an all-time record) and raising millions more, breaking his own records?
A “media blackout” is one of the reasons.
As the presidential debates progressed and candidates dropped out, Paul fell to the back in the polls prompting the media to selectively ignore him and even interrupt him more in recent debates.
In fact, during the Jan. 30 Republican debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, CNN moderator Anderson Cooper continually neglected to give Paul time to answer and interrupted him numerous times.
FOX News, or as it is referred to by some as “FAUX” News, has refused to acknowledge that Paul even exists. Even FOX News commentators Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity engaged in huge arguments with Paul during their respective shows over Iran, Iraq and terrorism.
Even Huckabee is left behind somewhat in the fray, but the fact is that Paul has been given the least amount of airtime. Is it not a journalist’s duty to report the facts as they are without bias and to report the facts as thoroughly as possible by listening to all sides?
Apparently, some in the mainstream media are neglecting their responsibility to the American public and to democracy.
MTV, of all cable networks, gave Paul more airtime than any other network gave him in recent memory. On its Presidential Dialogue segment, Paul garnered strong Internet voting results, effectively winning over young voters.
Another problem for Paul is that votes may have been manipulated during the caucuses and primaries. The first case happened during the Louisiana caucus on Jan. 22.
Paul had the greatest number of delegates by the Jan. 10 deadline to register. But GOP leaders in Louisiana allegedly went against party rules by extending the deadline to register and allowed more votes. Eventually, McCain won the caucus while Paul came in second place.
In New Hampshire, there were allegations of vote dumping as reported by American Free Press.
New Hampshire tax collector Jennifer Call admitted to dumping 31 votes that were for Paul and brushed off the act as a simple mistake. A group of Paul voters went public to angrily denounce the results for their town, which showed that 0 percent voted for Paul. If it happened in such a small town, imagine what could be going on elsewhere.
How could a candidate with such a strong grassroots following and strong showing in straw polls do so poorly when it comes to votes? It can’t be low voter turnout, not after how it has been reported that there is a record voter turnout in many states.
Something is not quite right here.
This election is far from over. The primaries and caucuses are nothing more than a coronation process to get a political party’s nomination. What happens on Nov. 4 is what matters. And I’ll be at my polling place, casting my vote for Ron Paul.
http://www.theclariononline.com
Chris Peden has fallen victim to the fault he praises Ron Paul for not having - we know this because he is running against Paul
On January 12, 2007, a Texas city councilman named Chris Peden told the Galveston Daily News, “I have an immense amount of respect for Ron Paul. Politics has a way of forcing people to go against their core principles for political gain. That has never been the case for Ron Paul.” In case you don’t know, Chris Peden is now Ron Paul’s congressional challenger in the Republican primary in Texas’ 14th District. What happened to make Peden go from an admirer to an opponent – and not just an opponent, but one who is running a vicious and (as he surely realizes) dishonest smear campaign against the very man he so recently praised?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods85.html
Be careful what you wish for. Ron Paul has ruled out a third party run, but that could certainly change if he loses his House seat in the Republican primary.
As for continuing his presidential bid (as a Republican), he’s doing that because that’s what his supporters want him to do. They’ve donated over $34 million to him so far, to run for President, and that’s what he’s spending the money on. He actually spent more than he brought in during January, so he’s probably down to 5 or 6 million now.
I really don’t think his Congressional seat is in jeopardy, though. He’s a lot more conservative than the media portrays him to be. He’s pro-life, anti-amnesty, pro-second Amendment, and pro-smaller government, more so than anyone else in Congress.
Dr. Earmarks? Give me a break. He submits the requests, and some of them pass, without his vote. Why other Congressmen vote for his earmarks when they know he won’t vote yes on the bill anyway is an interesting question.
Re: 208: I don;t want to ever, ever hear about one of my post being too long again! Geez–
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Vreek is th reason that those in here have parsed every statement and word over the last 14 months of the RP debate. It’s rote and allows for no questioning or discussion, even tho they tout they’ll listen–they have their directive and nothing can break through–the Obamaniacs are as bad and getting worse, but they’re new to the discussion–New Converts are hard to reason with.
(Waves at Hamous)
…was going to post a reply to some of the particularly heinous parts of this, but these 12 hour days are kicking my butt at the moment. Instead I’ll just make a simple statement, forgive me if any of this is review for you guys…no time or energy to go on a LST document hunt…
Everything that Peden says about Paul should be turned around and examined as if Peden was saying it about himself. If you like, you can do the same thing for Paul, but you’ll probably find HE is not making too many direct statements about Peden (as he generally eschews mudslinging).
For example, Peden says “what has Paul accomplished while in Congress?” Implying that very little has been accomplished. What happens if however we turn around this question on Peden?
It is my understanding that during his two year stint as a City Council member he called for ONE local ordinance during his time to make English the official language of his city (which vote supposedly failed miserably). Assuming this is close to true what then has Peden done on a much smaller (and thus easier to influence) scale?
My goal here is not to besmirch Peden, I don’t know the man. But from my visits to his website I have seen some of his attacks vs. Paul. I think if anyone in the 14th would lay out both candidate side by side and evaluate them that Peden would pale in all but one category. That category being mouthing the major league Republican line.
And what exactly is it that Peden claims he wants to do in Congress? Bring home the bacon? Tow the party line? Anything else? Does he have a platform of change of his own, or is he just a “Me-Too” kind of guy? If he really is a “Me-Too” many of the bills he votes for (I.E. all of the “party” bills) will be great successes–for his PARTY. I don’t know about you but I “twoooly” feel that the neo-con dominated Republican party is really looking out for “my” best interests.
Just a final heads up for those who haven’t really thought much about it. The neo-cons are essentially the bastard-children of all that was traditionally unholy in both the democratic and republican parties. The neo-cons basically are the union of an empire building foreign policy and a massive and intrusive domestic policy. They are big government all around, and don’t believe they should have to answer to ANYONE.
I’m tired, so I’m just going to end my little rant here…I’ll check back in sometime in the next 24 hours (I think).
Chad_Underdonk - Had you followed the story you would know of a few of Peden’s accomplishments on the Friendswood City Council. I’m not going to repeat them since they are in this post already. But back to the good doctor. After 20 years in Congress and no accomplishments to show I’d say it is time for him to retire.
Taxes and Eminent domain…fair enough, though it wasn’t a story (per se) as it was a link to Peden’s website. Assuming he was as effective as his website claims those were worthy causes. If Peden does win I hope he takes up those challenges and many more for all Americans…we don’t need another me too.
Peden just doesn’t strike me as the type to stand up against his party (considering his statements are so perfectly aligned with the neo-con agenda), and IMHO there are many things that they are doing that need to be opposed. Even if we assume that the unconstitutional laws that are being passed are not being misused today, history shows us that those laws WILL be misused by those in Gov’t which follow.
Paul does have the history to show that he is and has been opposing poor choices in government. Ultimately the 14th will make that decision, as is their right. I just hope we as Americans don’t lose one of the few voices that values The People first and the State quite a bit further down the list.
…meh, maybe I shouldn’t paint Peden as a neo-con. It is just my belief that he will wind up being their tool.
I’ve said many times (dang I get tired of typing that) Paul has taken some principled stands that I applaud. Voting against pay raises is one that comes to mind. But, despite his persistence, he has not accomplished his goals. What is our net gain? 20 years is enough. Time to give someone else a chance.
209 kfed
I have great respect for my eccentric uncle too, and he has maintained his core principles. But they’re not always mine and I wouldn’t want him as my congressman.
Peden himself responded to this pathetic argument by asking if he was required to hate Paul in order to run against him.
This is one of the weakest straw man arguments yet by the Paulbots (and we’ve seen a bunch of them). It shows a lack of substantive arguments for your case.
How hilarious that Americans can’t support a candidate with honesty and integrity without being called “robots.”
Right….clearly those of us who support Dr. Paul have been hogging all the crazy juice, because McCain certainly isn’t the slightest bit a creep. It’s not like he had an affair with a lobbyist and got in trouble when trying to make favors happen for her. It’s not like he goes flying around on Rupert Murdoch’s jet or anything, no way! The average American would never stand for that! Or would they?
Yikes, it’s clear that no one was wasting this much energy on hatred for Dr. Paul until this unbelievable movement began.
As a young businesswoman who worked my way up from absolutely nothing, to a college graduate with a dance studio of my own, I will not support the neo-cons or liberals, they’re all offering the same old, same old.
What are my options?
Creepy, war-mongering, rat our your own men McCain?
Or should it be Obama who can give fabulous speeches on…absolutely nothing.
Aaahh…I know, it’s Hillary, and her rock solid universal healthcare plan!
Geez, to support Ron Paul in this election would be crazy, look at all these other FABULOUS options we have!
I look forward to the uprising, the movement has begun, the youth of the country are motivated, and when this all falls apart, we’ll know how to re-build and we’ll all revert to that little thing called “The Constitution” How sweet it will be. Thank you, Dr. Paul. Have no doubt, the Ron Paul Revolution has just begun! =)
Just begun? It’s been more than three decades since his constituents first sent him to Congress, and I haven’t seen many legislative accomplishments in that time.
He sure brought home the shrimp money, though.
Matt,
Let me be clearer for you…this movement has taken on a life of it’s own, Dr. Paul is much to thank for it, but it will not stop with him.
Many young people, and old, have just recently heard Dr. Paul’s message, and his support is growing by the day.
Let us not forgot that he has raised more money than any other Republican candidate the last 2 quarters (and very well may be the only one that didn’t give himself a loan.)
In addition, he has received the top contributions from all servicemen and women of U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force.
If people like to write them off as Paulbots, go right ahead.
I choose to not write them off, and understand that they’re donating to Dr. Paul for good reason.
It’s fine if people disagree with Dr. Paul, I am all in favor of the 1st amendment, but come on. The 4th grade level insults that are being thrown around on this comment board are just pitiful.
Unfortunately, he’s blown the money. Paul has spent $26.5 million and garnered 16 delegates That’s a per-delegate cost of more than $1.6 million.
Compare that to Clinton’s $84,000/delegate, Obama’s $86,000/delegate and $53,000/delegate for McCain.
Meanwhile, he’s vulnerable to defeat by a freakin’ freshman city councilman from Friendswood!
Go Ron Paul!
America has dug their grave, now they’ve thrown away their chance not to lie in it.
For the first time in my life, I’ve seen a candidate run on a platform of just simply not lying to me and telling the country a bunch of either jingoistic lies or happy talk denial. You had your opportunity country, now prepare for the meltdown of our economic system because we are and have been in Military Keynesianism for 2 decades, and it always leads to financial collapse in every country without exception.
#209 kfed - go back to Ms. Spears and leave the political debate to people with FACTS.
Peden is the Mayor Pro-Tem from FRIENDSWOOD (not Texas City).
#212 Peden voted, along with John LeCour to put the issue of English as the official language ON THE BALLOT for the citizens of Friendswood to decide. Too bad LULAC intimidated the rest of the City Council so the matter didn’t GO to the voters–hardly a “stunning” defeat.
In addition, since Peden and LeCour were elected, they were part a coalition that passed a tax rebate, lowered the City tax rate, increased services, voted to significantly restrict the use of eminent domain, and got us our own Galveston County Tax Office annex on Fridays (which also saves money since FISD was collecting taxes at a rate of over $4/parcel and Cheryl E. Johnson’s office can collect for less than 40 cents/parcel)! I know I’m repeating myself, but some just don’t get it.
During their 2 1/2 years on Council, there was only a conservative majority during ONE of those years! I’d say Peden and LeCour (who were swept into office by KSEV support) were quite accomplished during that year!
Peden is NOT a neocon DJ (#17). He would never vote against body armor for our troops, but that doesn’t make him a neocon. #215 Chad you have no basis for believing Peden will be a “tool”. Just because Peden’s website points out his opponent’s voting record it is not an “attack” (or are you troubled by your candidate’s votes?).
KRogers,
The vast majority of those in office today are very supportive of their political leadership, even when their leadership is far and away beyond their Constitutional boundaries. Some of the language in Peden’s website makes it apparent to me that he will be a loyal “party man”; and thus not a voice of dissent. This could be particularly so if he aligns himself with the political powers that be to get elected; assuming he is honorable then he might view breaking ranks with those in the leadership as betraying his constituents. If elected he would also be a freshman in a level of politics he has never even approached…and thus easily led astray or manipulated. By saying he would be their tool I am not impugning his honor, I do not know the man, I am simply speaking about obvious likelihoods. One would hope that he could break the trend, but history tells us that would be statistically unlikely (especially considering his lack of a personally differentiated and substantive platform).
On another note I have a question for the hardcore guest-haters on this forum.
If someone is HONESTLY and EARNESTLY trying to warn you about something that they truly believe is a literal danger or potential threat why would you heap indignities on them? (regardless of whether or not you agree with their assessment)
The deal is, Ron Paul just really doesn’t seem to like black people or Jews very much. He doesn’t have enough courage to man up and come out and say so himself, but seems to be content to let his lackeys publish racist tripe under his name then disavow all knowledge of it. He happily accepts the coin of the racist twit (Don Black) but not the responsibility for it.
“Mister Four Percent” Ron Paul has been weighed, measured, and found wanting. Chris Peden is going to mop the floor with him in TX-14 - book it.
#225 Chad - Believe me, Peden is a stand-up guy. He breaks ranks with the “Friendswood Establishment” (the people who’ve done things their way for years) all the time (which is a big thing in a small town, where everyone does business with each other, and he is a business man–CPA).
Peden is a very thoughtful guy, for example, on English, his statement was that he wanted to give all the workers in the City the tools they needed to succeed. He was in favor of providing language classes for those who needed classes (just like training is provided to other City workers). In fact, he found that most workers came in speaking English, but their skills deteriorated when working in a Spanish-only enviroment (after all, I don’t remember much Archaeology, but I used to know it and never used it).
And speaking of being a CPA, he is for doing away with the IRS and all the associated compliance, which seems like that would put him out of work. Peden would like to unleash all that financial acumen to increase business productivity in the use of money and to help people invest in their futures. Just another example of his ability to think for himself and not as part of a herd.
Asgardshill,
I disagree with you on that for several reasons, some philosophical, others just simple fact.
(#1) I’ve read through the New Republic article which heavily edited the quotes lifted from the news letters. I’ve also read whole sentences and paragraphs lifted from those newsletters that were meant to debunk the New Republic assertions. Many of those assertions were using phrases (or excluding them) to create mountains out of molehills. When you read the full text of many of them in context of A) the times and happenings of when the were written B) an understanding that this was prior-to and never written for the politically correct crowd, and C)to prove a point some people write things in a way that is brutally honest rather than sugar coating facts.
While many of the writings initially seem reprehensible (and a very few probably could be considered truly bigoted…few enough that I believe that it was one or two rogue authors over a short period) when you break them down they are simply an honest viewpoint…I’ll give two short examples…
A) When referring to the L.A. riots one article stated that the worst of the riots ended the day the welfare checks went out. At first this sounds quite racist…but it IS factually true, though possibly not a cause and effect relationship to why it calmed down, and it IS was also nearly a direct quote from the L.A. Times which is a reputable news paper that is about as direct a source as is possible. Further the article was written not to blame L.A. rioters for being horrible people, but to point out that governmental policies on some levels were responsible for the underlying feelings of outrage and mismanagement.
B) The unknown authored anti-MLK writings. #1 Paul has for many years cited MLK, Rosa Parks, Ghandi, and any other number of people I’ve probably never heard of as being heroes of non-violence, and therefor worthy of emulation to create change…RP did not write this article and I seriously doubt he read it until much later. The article supposedly was about whether or not the proposed Federal Holiday for MLK was sending the right message considering the cointel-pro FBI files which claimed MLK was privately a commie or had some reprehensible personal habits. While this type of question may draw a bad light on the reputation of a great man we all know that not everyone is an angel, and we also know that there was a significant number of people who at the time objected to MLK day as a Federal holiday. I will make no judgment about the whole article, but those particular questions were in fact valid to ask considering the amount of revisionism that constantly goes on in our society.
(#2) Paul constantly talks about treating people as individuals and ending clearly racist policies that our government has. As a libertarian thinker he believes in the old “give a man a fish…teach a man to fish…” adage. Generally speaking, welfare as a policy makes people dependent on others for their survival and is no where near as helpful as private charity in solving social problems. When he speaks out or acts to try and get people to understand that the welfare state is among other things incredibly destructive of personal wellbeing, some people say that attitude is hateful of those on welfare and doesn’t understand their plight.
Another example of this disagreement with policy is the disparate effects of the war on drugs against the African-American people. Considering the facts the war on drugs has at its core some very racist roots and effects. Paul is the only remaining Presidential candidate who even questions the war on drugs as being bad policy because of these reasons, and has stated in speeches that he would work to end the drug war and would pardon all non-violent drug offenders to A) allow for the treatment of this issue as a social health issue and not a policy issue, and B) to free the tens of thousands of people who were given the harshest possible sentences for having the bad luck of having a minimal amount of drugs on them. I cannot fathom how anyone could see a person advocating this policy change as being racist.
(#3) Everyone has the right to be represented. While RP would certainly not use policy to represent the racist views of a minority of his supporters, he would still protect their rights. RP believes the Gov’t should stay out of everyones lives, and not favor or suppress any group unless they DO SOMETHING which warrants Gov’t action. Simply believing or saying something should not make someone a criminal. Although I couldn’t be further from the backwards thinking of bigots and racists, they do have the right to privacy (which is often being ignored because no one likes their ideas) and to be free of agent provocateurs (like it or not, our Gov’t uses entrapment against people). Dr. Paul is the only candidate talking about getting Gov’t out of our lives, and this resonates with all people who disagree with the policies that effectively makes our Gov’t the rulers and the People the governed. There are valid reasons other than racism that people with otherwise reprehensible views might support Dr. Paul, and if he automatically treats them as the scum of the earth (as virtually everyone else does) then he is effectively throwing away his treatment of everyone as an individual and he is not acting on the ethics that he believes in.
(#4) This is my last point as this is getting huge and I’m running out of steam. Let’s use the fictional character of “Archie Bunker” as a stalking horse for this argument. I’m a young’un and only watched All in the Family as reruns on TVLand, but the character is interesting and has heart even if he has bigoted views. While Archie frequently had the wrong views of groups of people, he almost always treated people as individuals and acted with heart towards them. During the course of the show Archie frequently had opportunity to grow as a person and realize that others weren’t always what they seemed. Virtually all of us realize that our parents or grandparents had more bigoted views than we hold today. They were a product of their times (much like All in the Family showed generational differences). IFFFFF Paul at one time harbored bigoted views he has certainly never been found to have publicly said them, further he has NEVER formed any laws or policies based on bigoted views. IFFFF at one time he held those views it would not be out of the norm for someone 73 years of age and has seen the things in this world that he has. IFFFF he at one point held bigoted views he would not at all be unlike the vast majority of us who learned from others that these views were foolish.
Based on his writing and speeches I can say that today he shows no traces of bigotry other than circumstantial evidence related to his past or the support of a few people who could either have honest reasons for supporting him (or could in fact be provocateurs to smear him). I think the allegations are just that..and have little basis in reality.
Krogers, since you know Peden I will accept your views on his integrity. It is after all your choice to make in the 14th and not mine.
Just a warning though, I think his website said he supported a flat or fair tax. I’ve read some very persuasive articles explaining why that would be a horrible move. Anyone who advocates it should take a closer look at some of the critiques. No I don’t like the system we have now, but I don’t know how much the change would improve things. The plans I’ve heard include sending all Americans a cost of living check every month (making everyone dependent to some degree on Gov’t welfare is nuckin’futs!). We also know that our Gov’t absolutely has to tinker with everything THEY consider under their power, there will be groups who get preference, and there will be a massive black market that builds up around that system. While in theory it sounds good, at a Federal level it will not be nearly as cut and dry as a local or state sales tax is. There would also be multiple instances of double, triple, or even higher taxation. I urge anyone to look deeper into the arguments against those plans, because unless they are resolved we’re in for some very rough times in the implementation if they should pass.
Ron Paul got elected as a non-incumbent even with Gov. Bush, Newt Gingrich, and the GOP Establishment gunning against him in ‘96. Running against Peden will be a cakewalk.
BTW, Pajama Media’s story is BS: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzI5MTUyOTY3YTA0MTYzODkyNmNkNWMxYWJiZTAwMGE=
Never one to shy away from trying to get the last word, I have to refute Chad’s disertation #228
1-Peden isn’t campaigning on the ramblings of RP. No matter how reprehensible some of the RP newsletter ideas might be, Peden is campaigning on the records, Paul’s in Congress and his on City Council
2-The “war on drugs” is waged against the YOUNG. If you’re not into drugs by age 21, you won’t be (statistically speaking), so even legalization won’t help, the dealers know their bread is buttered by kids and that’s where they will go
3-We DO have a right to be represented. That’s why PEDEN is campaigning, to represent us (not to introduce a bill supporting hemp farming or any other initiatives that go down in flames)
4-I’m old enough to remember All in the Family first run. Bunker was a “sympathetic”, humorous character due to his lack of intelligence (we laughed AT him not WITH him). I don’t think the “product of the times” is a useful argument. You sound like an argument FOR Peden, since he is a product of much less bigoted times…
and im #229, don’t worry, Peden is NOT supporting sending everyone a check. He is looking into IRS alternatives, due to the high cost of the agency, compliance, and the negative incentives income tax has on good old hard work. As AmericanWoman said, “…teach a man to fish and he can feed himself and others”!
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No, sorry, the war on drugs *is* waged against African Americans. They constitute 13% of the nation’s monthly drug users, they represent 35% of those persons arrested for drug possession, 55% of drug possession convictions, and 74% of those sentenced to prison for drug possession.
GOD BLESS RON PAUL!!!!!
Thank you for standing for us against the horrible waste fraud and abuse that our government has become.
GO RON PAUL!!!!!
Hi all, I came here using Stumble, I stayed becouse i do like Ron Paul’s positions on many though not all issues. I registered to respond to comment 144, the Supreme Court just ruled, yes, we have the right to petition for redress of grievances, but the government is not required to awnser.
yours,
PA
Looking at this page all I have to ask is this: does anyone at this rag need a paper towel? I ask because you neocon’s have egg all over your face Ron Paul not only won but he won by his biggest margin ever to date for his seat. I guess the folks in Ron Paul’s district told you what they think of NAFTA yesterday!
I only have one thing to say at this moment..
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
I read this blog regularly and both the bloggers AND the regulars are ignorant neocons. I have been reading for months how Chris Peden was winning, higher in the polls, and well-funded. This wasn’t just a victory for Ron Paul. This was a victory for American values.
Victory isn’t even the right term…
more like a good ole fashioned Texas @$$ STOMPING!
To the neocons(which is pretty much ALL of you):
Your candidate FAKED polls, lied to the voters, choose to embrace the false, unAmerican Republican establishment, and still LOST BY A FRACKIN’ LANDSLIDE!!!!
YAHOOOOOO!!!
I pray to god we are able to save this country from the likes of this rag, and its readers, and Pedens alike.. I pray not only for my future, but for all the necons too, because ALL men deserve to be FREE!
Go Ron Go!!!!