Peden busts Paul’s false ad claims
by LST Staff · 02/26/2008 6:00 amLoneStarTimes.com has learned that attorneys for District 14 congressional challenger Chris Peden have begun to contact a wide-range of media outlets, insisting that they either cease airing or refuse to accept advertisements by Ron Paul containing false claims that he’s been named “One of the 50 Most Effective Members of Congress by Congressional Quarterly”.
The citation of the CQ article is ubiquitous by Paul, appearing on his website and repeatedly referenced in his broadcast spots.
And he was called one of the “50 Most Effective Congressmen in America” by Congressional Quarterly.
…called one of the “50 Most Effective Members of Congress.”
When Congressional Quarterly magazine placed Congressman Ron Paul on its coveted “CQ 50 List of Outstanding Members of Congress…”
In fact, these claims are completely false.
As the Peden campaign notes…
In truth, the 10/30/99 Congressional Quarterly article Paul is citing had nothing at all to do with identifying “outstanding” congressmen, and was simply titled “50 Ways To Do the Job of Congress”.
CQ article cover, 10/30/99
Incredibly, Paul’s claim of being identified as somehow uniquely “effective” by Congressional Quarterly is directly refuted in the article itself.
As Peden’s campaign notes…
The editors of CQ even go out of their way to contradict Paul’s claims, prominently highlighting in the middle of one page the following pull-quote—
“There is no attempt here to identify the 50 most effective–or for that matter, the most important or most influential–members of Congress.”
In a press release, Peden offered this comment on Paul’s false claims:
It’s sad but not surprising that Ron Paul doesn’t want the voters to know how ineffective he’s been in Congress over the past decade. More and more voters in District 14 are realizing that when Ron Paul said that being reelected to Congress was his “Plan B”- he was telling them the truth. This is yet another example of why Congressional District 14 needs a new congressman. The voters need to know that being the next congressman from CD 14 is my only plan; and it’s “Plan A”.
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What a huge lie, and one that can be discovered quickly. If I were someone leaning towards Paul, this would look like a desperate attempt to win an election and he would loose my vote. I told ya…… all they work for is re-election……even St.Paul.
Wow ! This could be the straw that breaks the shrimps back !!!
Bad enough that Paul’s campaign has to go back 8 1/2 years to this article but then to be caught in a dead lie is outrageous. Paul’s mistake was running for President - it gave his district it’s first clear look at who he is - and it ain’t selling well. Hence the lies from an article written 2 years before 9/11. I’d be embarassed to have to go back that far to find something to define my “effectiveness” - but to have to out and out lie about it is disgusting.
I’m still wondering about that bit in one of his commercials where he said that Ronald Reagan said we needed more Congressmen like Ron Paul (or some similar sentiment). How long ago did Reagan stop making public appearances due to his condition? Was this a Reagan quote made when Paul was first elected? Talk about having to go back a ways to get an “endorsement”
** by LST Staff | 02/26/2008 6:00 am **
Whoever wrote this post isn’t willing to put his or her name on it?
How transparent!
I suppose readers should assume it was written by the owner of the blog unless there is some indication otherwise.
#5 Publius, I took that to mean they are all in agreement, and any one of them could put their name to it. They aren’t afraid.
Publius - If you must have a name, feel free to change “LST Staff” to “Hamous” whenever you see a post critical of “The Honorable” Dr. Ron Paul.
Paulies response will probably be similar to Hellory’s: I didn’t know. I have no knowledge of this!
/BS meter over 100 and climbing….
AW - if you were leaning towards RP the conversion would be near completion and irreversible.
#6
AW
I am with you on that one. You amaze me, Publius, that you would focus on who the author of the story is instead of the context of the story. You must be the most Ego Driven person I have seen in a long time to be concerned about the author instead of the story. Is that what you focus on when you write a story. You think to yourself that you need to make sure your name is spelled right instead of getting the story out.
Excellent catch by Peden’s camp. I’m glad they are handling it boldly and not letting this detail slide. Paul’s a slippery fish and needs to be tacked down and held acocuntable.
People actually expect politicians to tell the truth? Politics is merely the practice of choosing which poison is the lesser of the two. Since most on this board dislike Paul, his transgression is that more paramount.
The ironies of this election peroid are so telling….will Ron Paul’s run for Prez be his undoing in his bid for re-election?
Will Texas dems defeat HRC bid for Prez…..I love it.
Now his followers truly are Pall - oops, I mean - Paul Bearers!
Peden thinks we can win the war on drugs….
What an idiot.
He looks forward to going to Washington where he’ll pour billions more of our money in to that bottomless pit. Hey, it would be different, but after 40 years, hundreds of billions of tax dollars, even a brain dead moron might think of trying an approach that worked.
If Peden is a real conservative, then I’m the queen of England.
He’s a bible thumping, big government nanny stater that would like to use federal laws and regulations to codify his own view of morality. He thinks the federal government should regulate marriage. There is absolutely nothing conservative about that. What’s next Crazy Chris, a federal law banning interracial marriage? Gee why not? It worked back in the 1800s didn’t it?
Chris Peden is an insult to the Constitution and the individual liberty that it was intended to protect. Together with the left wing socialists, he will hasten the decline of this great nation until their common goal is achieved–A top heavy, control oriented country where everything is prohibited unless specifically declared legal by a government that exercises maximum control and taxation of the populace.
The “LST editors” and management actually like Friendswood’s villiage idiot, and they want YOU to suffer the same delusions. (But are not proud enough of their work to use a real name.)
Tune in this afternoon when the political sliming continues, on KSEV Radio 700AM, the voice.
Hey Bob! Forget your meds?
This is your reminder, honey, go take ‘em now.
That’s better isn’t it?
Bob - not that I’m impugning your opinion - you are fully entitled. But I’m worried about the frothing at the mouth thing. No heart attacks allowed at LST.
bob42– No one is asking you to betray your political principles. If Paul’s political agenda better matches your own then vote for him.
The fact remains that Dr. Paul–on his website and in his ads–is claiming that Congressional Quarterly identified him as one of the 50 most effective members of congress.
You can at least acknowledge, having now been presented with the evidence, that that isn’t true, right?
I find it amusing that Paul has gone from a Quixotic presidential run making news with his money bombs and blimps and uh… passionate supporters to fighting for his political life in his own congressional primary. That’s the great thing about putting yourself under a national microscope. People get to know you, politically speaking. It will be really funny if he sets records in raising congressional campaign money similar to his presidential campaign and STILL loses the primary.
It’s disheartening having to face that all my brilliance and my vote can be negated by a single contrarian vote of a simple minded fool.
5.
I fully supported this article, as did the LST staff. If it helps, please feel free to insert my name as author in your suspicious mind.
15.
Name calling tirades are weak substitute for good argument.
The “Honorable” Dr. Ron Paul. Just another phony politician. Honorable Ron Paul has become an oxymoron.
I still don’t think Paul will lose this congressional primary - but he deserves to.
#15 Bob42 “Peden thinks we can win the war on drugs….”
John Culberson recently reported when Laradeo with funding help from Rep Culberson by enforcing the “existing laws” reduced its crime rate to 1973 levels…..
How dare Peden, Rep Culberson, and Sen Patrick tell us there’s hope in battling the bureaucrats on Austin and DC.
#19 ironic isn’t it?
#24 - It is indeed. The whole idea that 5% of the voters are better equipped to know what’s best for this country over the other 95% just smacks of supreme arrogance. These guys must need a wheelbarrow…
#15
Queeny, (you ARE the queen of England aren’t you?),
you have to realize it’s just the ‘Blow-back’ theory in practice. Relax and let it run it’s course.
Bob42:
Some observations inspired by your diatribe:
“Peden thinks we can win the war on drugs…. What an idiot.”
Unsupported conclusion - his belief that we can win is no more idiotic than your belief that we can’t. And, it would probably be helpful to begin by defining the parameters of what a “win” would be. In the meantime, given the choices available I’d prefer to keep trying, but that’s just me.
“even a brain dead moron might think of trying an approach that worked.”
Do you know what his approach is? A full analysis would be helpful here. (It appears at this point that your primary complaint is that there is a war on drugs at all. What would you do? Legalize them all? Or just the ones you want to use?
“If Peden is a real conservative, then I’m the queen of England.” Leaving aside the English part, not have actually seen you in person I couldn’t comment on the Queen part.
But I do believe that Peden is a conservative.
“He’s a bible thumping, big government nanny stater that would like to use federal laws and regulations to codify his own view of morality.”
All laws codify someone’s view of morality. That’s what laws are, a societies view of what civil moral behavior should exclude. Why is your view better than his?
“He thinks the federal government should regulate marriage. There is absolutely nothing conservative about that.”
I’m assuming you’re talking about same sex marriages. And, yes Bob, that is a conservative viewpoint. Because of the full faith and credence clause in the Constitution (you know, that thing that RP keeps in his pocket) States are require to recognize things like marriage licenses issued in other States. That means (I’ll go slow here) that if some state like Vermont or California decides to start marrying gay couples, then Texas would be required to recognize those marriages. The solution here would be a federal (national) law that defines what a marriage can legally consist of. I think the founding fathers would approve.
“What’s next Crazy Chris, a federal law banning interracial marriage? Gee why not? It worked back in the 1800s didn’t it?”
And then we passed a federal law saying you couldn’t ban interracial marriage. Apparently you like some federal laws.
“The “LST editors” and management actually like Friendswood’s villiage idiot, and they want YOU to suffer the same delusions. (But are not proud enough of their work to use a real name.)”
Actually they use their names all the time, including today, you were just too busy foaming at the mouth to read that far. As far as delusions go what would you call a continuing believe in the viability of Ron Paul as a candidate?
O.K. Did I hear that right?!?! On the way to the Credit Union I heard Mike Richards Saying that Pete Olsen, (my guy) was no good, and Shelly, Sekula, Rodriguez,
Keaton, Rylander, Gibbs was a Conservative this and that!?!? I can’t believe he’s endorsing HER! I always thought that he was TRUE conservative and a Christian, did I miss something? He is either very mistaken, (highly unlikely), or he has been bought with money/appointment. I hope I’m wrong.
I hear he raised Lazarus from the dead, no wait, that was Obama… no… now I’m getting my messiahs all mixed up… so confused!!!
Faster, here’s how you tell - if you hear cherubim and seraphim playing trumpets, it’s Obama. If you hear the sound of a goose-stepping army marching, it’s Paul.
#28 Dave
THAT’ll teach you to go to the credit union!
#30
Hamous
That was really good. ROFLMAO. So what will I hear if the TRUE MESSIAH comes? Wait, I believe I won’t hear a thing, I will just be gone and not Left Behind when HE comes.
I think everyone here is too eager to send out the lynch mob for Ron Paul.
http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press99/pr102999.htm
Here is the press release from 1999.
“In the story entitled, “50 Ways To Do the Job of Congressman,” the magazine notes Paul’s effective advocacy of a strict interpretation of the Constitution and his consistent application of that standard through his votes on the House floor.”
“When CQ first contacted my offices some time back saying I would be named one of the 50 most effective legislators in Congress, I was obviously pleased to be recognized by this important institution,” Paul said.
I just see a play on words, but if you read the article is you can clearly see how it praises Paul along with 50 other effective members of House and Senate.
I think you guys are trying to split hairs.
[Not so] Quick– there is no play on words here.
The article is titled “50 Ways To Do the Job of Congressman”; Paul’s campaign ads change that to “CQ 50 List of Outstanding Members of Congress”.
“Outstanding” implies that a judgment was made by CQ as to Paul’s quality or worth; in reality, they were careful not to make precisely those judgments (about Paul or anyone else profiled on the list).
Paul’s campaign is telling voters he was identified by a respected institution (CQ) as “One of the 50 Most Effective Members of Congress”.
CQ is insistent–even taking the trouble of saying so in the actual article Paul is citing–to highlight the fact that, and I quote–
“There is no attempt here to identify the 50 most effective–or for that matter, the most important or most influential–members of Congress.”
How can they be any more clear than that?
I am still looking for anything RP has done for his district and the state of Texas. Granted, he delivered over 4,000 babies, but that was before he went to congress.What has he done since? On the other hand, maybe that’s not so bad. Nobody hears anything from him and/or about him until election time comes around which means he has done nothing between elections. Help me out here.Give me some bills he has introduced or stands he has taken and spoken up for and made a difference in.Is a ‘do nothing’ candidate better than one that wants to get some positive things done? I’m just asking…..
“That government is best which governs least.”
Thomas Paine
And tells the truth!
So he’s getting lawyers involved! Sorry, but this one simply smacks of Peden’s desperation to generate news about himself.
I’ve said it many times - there is a reasonable case that one could make about opposing Ron Paul in this primary, and the right candidate could do it. Chris Peden simply isn’t that candidate.
So are frivolous lawsuit threats on something no judge in his right mind would ever agree to hear. But that doesn’t seem to stop Chris Peden…
Phil_m, if you were running for office, and your opponent was running false ads, what would you do?
Phil_M
It is standard operating procedure in all political campaigns for an attorney to be the one who contacts media outlets in cases where one candidate is running an ad that contains provable falsehoods.
No one is being sued… there is no “frivolous lawsuit” here.
You DO acknowledge that Congressional Quarterly didn’t identify Ron Paul as “One of the 50 Most Effective Members of Congress”, right?
It’s political spin on a bullet-point list that Paul’s camp has been using for years, duhmoose. That’s hardly a “false ad” and certainly no less false than Chris Peden’s “compare the candidates” piece where he intentionally misrepresents several of Paul’s positions.
The simple fact is no court would ever touch that case with a 10 foot pole and any sane lawyer would tell you that right away. There isn’t any legitimate cause of action for a court to get involved. So when Peden threatens lawyers, it’s nothing more than cheap political posturing.
Phil_m, CQ is stating that it is false, what more do you need?
Phil_M– this isn’t a question of opinion, it is a question of actual FACT.
There is a real-world institution called “Congressional Quarterly”. They publish stuff. They make money (admittedly, fiat currency). People work for them. They sit in a building.
Ron Paul says they, those real people over at Congressional Quarterly, once identified him as “One of the 50 Most Effective Members of Congress”.
That isn’t true. They didn’t. They even tried to stop people from twisting their List into claiming such a thing by specifically stating:
“There is no attempt here to identify the 50 most effective–or for that matter, the most important or most influential–members of Congress.”
You acknowledge this, right?
Funny. I’ve worked on probably close to a hundred different campaigns at all levels, and that’s the first time i’ve ever heard that “standard” rule. It’s a particularly unusual “standard” rule as well because I’ve seen candidates attack the claims of our opponents’ literature dozens of times, and the guy who does it is always the Press Secretary - not a lawyer (which would be stupid and wasteful in itself since lawyers usually bill at extraordinary rates and by the hour).
Now I have seen attorneys involved when the opponent runs something libelous in an ad. But that is clearly not the case here. And whether Peden is actually dumb enough to go through with a lawsuit or not (and frankly I fear that he actually is that dumb based on everything I’ve seen and heard about him), the fact remains that he/y’all intentionally emphasized that lawyers were involved. That’s means the plainly intended message was “lawsuit.”
But a lawsuit in this case would indeed be frivolous and unwinnable for the reasons I stated. Surely you can admit that, David.
So why emphasize that lawyers are involved? The answer is simple: it’s called saber rattling, and it is done strictly to draw media attention by making it sound more serious than it actually is.
Sure, but I’m not gonna lose any sleep over it. Nor could I say that I’d blame any candidate who made that claim based on that article. It’s standard political spin to always cast media coverage of your candidate in the best light. Sure, that involves exaggeration. But at worst that’s the most Paul is guilty of here - exaggeration.
And if you doubt that Paul’s exaggerated claim is out of the ordinary, look no further than Chris Peden’s own website (http://www.chrispeden.org/press-inthenews.html) where he makes the following claim about a headline in the London Guardian of all places:
Did the Guardian actually run an article about how Peden was on the verge of unseating Ron Paul, as that headline link implies? Absolutely not. Peden appears in a single paragraph near the bottom of the article in a discussion about several establishment-backed challengers to anti-war GOP congressmen.
In fact, if you continue reading the same article it is openly derisive of another exaggerated statement on Peden’s website about Paul:
By the reasoning of this thread, I suppose Paul should be contacting an attorney to demand that Peden retract his misrepresentation of the Guardian’s coverage of his campaign. But that would be ridiculous, as no reasonable purpose could blame Peden or any other candidate of trying to put the best possible spin on media coverage of their press-starved candidacies.
Oh, and anyone who is “offended” by the ridiculous non-issue of political (or driven to the threat of a lawsuit over it) needs to have his head examined.
#44 - See #43.
Oops - that should be #45
Phil_M
Give it up, man. You are outclassed.
You’re man may win, but it won’t be
based on truth of advertising.
#48 - That’s an interesting claim coming from the supporter of a guy whose website portrays Ron Paul (endorsed by Norma McCorvey and Right to Life) as pro-abort. Yeah, that Chris Peden…a real class act /sarc
Come to think of it, I’ll even offer a deal to any of you Peden supporters out there:
If you ask Peden to remove the aforementioned misrepresentation of the Guardian article and his blatantly deceptive ads about Paul’s positions on trade and abortion, I’ll ask Paul to take down the CQ bullet point thing.
Now granted, those who write for LST are far closer to the Peden camp than I am to the Paul camp. So I can’t make any promises my message would get through. But I’m happy to try nonetheless - if - I am satisfied that you tried as well (of course that also entails an admission of the obvious about Chris Peden’s deceptiveness). But hey, that only means your task is easier than mine. Onzelo the Third, Mark Reiff, and that lady who runs a therapeutic massage salon in the basement of Peden HQ are probably a heck of a lot easier to get a hold of than Ken Snyder and Lew (gasp! I said his name!) Rockwell. But as I said, I’m happy to try if you are.
I agree with Phil_M. Glad to see someone not foaming at the mouth to bash Ron Paul.
All Paul is guilty of is exaggeration and putting too much political spin on the whole top 50 thing. Those who are trying to make it out to be some sort of huge lie and conspiracy are as desperate as Peden is.
If you are all so righteous, why don’t you do what Phil_M suggested and call out Peden on his lies about Ron Paul? Oh well.
I still ask…what has he done?(see #35). If ‘nothing’ is good for you, he’s your man! Vote for him. But defending him seems rather a waste of time…but maybe you have time to waste.’Class’ may be hard to define, but truth is difficult to refute.
Phil you are missing the a point. This elevation Ron Paul and his staff gave him, is a fact easily checked. So, after checking, everyone realizes it’s a lie. Ron Paul could pull the lie, and insert the truth. I’m amazed at the lengths Ron Paul supporters will go to support their man. He can lie. He can distort. He can have accomplished nothing for 20, count em 20 years……. and he still is your hero. Do not come back at me with all politicians lie. Sure they do, but the ones who are smart, do it so it’s not so easily detectable. This has stupid written all over it.
PhilM
I have essentially opted out of these gatherings. What I find humorous is the tired old…”man now I really cant support Ron Paul” coming from people that never supported him.
I applaud your efforts but even if Ron Paul walked on water you’d never sway anyone here. They arent now nor never have been supporters.
Ron Paul pushed for the removal of the UN and the end of the irs with little to no support. That tells me that most really love socialism.
Those efforts should be highlighted by conservaitves. Nope! Not gonna happen.
Give e’m hell.
Phil_M
There is a difference between a mailer/flyer and a tv/radio/newspaper ad. With mailer/flyer, the press spokesman addresses the issue. When there are falsehoods in TV/radio/newspaper ads a lawyer addresses the issue.
The reason is that the news media has a responsibility to not print blatantly false information in a political advertisement. The opposing candidate can legally sue the news outlet for continuing to print said information after being contact about it. It is one of those quirky campaign laws that we groan about from time to time. So having the lawyer to officially notify the news media’s was the correct way to handle it. The press person can still issue a press release about the attorney’s action.
So, Yes What Peden did was SOP.
#54
He “pushed for”? What happened? He didn’t get it done and very few people even heard that he “pushed for it”. What has he actually done? I’m still waiting.
Chris Peden’s documented deceptions:
1. Peden’s website calls Ron Paul a “Liberal in disguise” (http://www.chrispeden.org/compare.html)
There are many things one can call Ron Paul, some flattering and others not so much. Call him a “libertarian” for all I care - it’s perfectly accurate. But calling him a “liberal” is intentionally deceptive.
2. Peden claims Paul “Refuses to Protect the Unborn,” implying he is pro-abortion. Peden bases this claim on two votes where Paul opposed pro-life legislation for federalism reasons (it was proposed on the national rather than state level). Yet Paul is consistently pro-life on a clear majority of pro-life bills that Peden omits. Paul is also endorsed by Texas Right to Life and pro-life activist Norma McCorvey. Peden is again being blatantly deceptive.
3. Chris Peden accuses Paul of being a protectionist and backing trade policies that “are exactly the approach that led us to the Great Depression” - a clear and explicit reference to the notoriously protectionist Smoot-Hawley tariff of 1930. In reality, Paul’s views are about as far from Smoot-Hawley as one can possibly get. Paul aligns with the Austrian and Chicago schools of economics, which vehemently opposed Smoot-Hawley and petitioned Herbert Hoover to veto it. In reality, Peden is misrepresenting Paul’s opposition to the WTO as “protectionism” rather than what it really is - legitimate conservative opposition to another international sovereignty-destroying UN-style agency.
I’ll also point out that these three deceptive campaign claims from the Peden’s camp are substantially more serious and far reaching than the silly CQ bullet point. But my offer still stands - use your considerable connections to the Peden campaign to get them to immediately retract these aforementioned items (and the Guardian thing) and I’ll seriously attempt, through my own meager list of contacts, to get the Paul camp to do the same on the CQ thing.
wfish
I dont do circle jerks anymore.
Later
Oh, I don’t think so at all. The point is this: it’s a campaign ploy to generate a little publicity about Peden. Nothing more, nothing less.
I am also beginning to think that many otherwise sensible people are so completely blinded by their desire to see Paul lose for unrelated political reasons that they actually buy into silly campaign ploys and treat them as if they actually believe they are legitimate.
It’s also campaign spin. But since you mention it, the Guardian article and the three aforementioned bullet point mischaracterizations of Paul on Peden’s website are also easily fact checked. Sadly, Onzelo doesn’t seem to be up to that task.
Daniel/james
Have a nice day.
#55 -
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. A slander attorney costs just as much as a libel attorney and unless a campaign is truly being libeled or slandered, they simply aren’t gonna pay for one…unless it is to saber rattle with a frivolous lawsuit.
Besides, Peden isn’t complaining about what other media outlets print about Paul - he’s complaining about a campaign bullet point list that appears on Paul’s own website. So your premise is betrayed on multiple counts.
Oh, I know that all too well. That’s why the frequent claims of people here about how they are “offended” or “outraged” at something Paul did/didn’t do are so ridiculous.
But hey, I figure why not have a little fun with them? LST is great for its coverage of many other issues, but there’s something slightly astrange with the masturbatory bash-a-thons they do that pass for coverage of the Peden-Paul contest.
Nothing disrupts them more than pointing out the painfully obvious deficiencies of Chris Peden’s campaign in light of what it is saying about Paul.
There really is a cognitive disconnect problem in the Peden office. You can’t make hypocrisy up as fast as this guy lives and breaths it.
Phil_M
Have a nice day.
63 - Thank you. I’m having a great day. Hope your’s the same!
Phil_M –
Please stop posting comments.
You’re making it difficult for the people here to blindly ignore what you’re saying and continue to bash Paul while ignoring Peden’s own actions and how he is blatantly lying about Paul’s positions (as you cited).
Guess they don’t want to be labeled as hypocrites.
Does this remind one of anything. Mommy, Johnny slapped me….. Johnny to mommy, but mom, she slapped me first. Just address the fact that he has a lie that is clearly a lie. Don’t come back with but but the other guy did this, did that. Address the issue. Don’t hide. You can’t.
In addition to between Chris Peden and Ron Paul
Libertarian Eugene Flynn and Independtent James G. Harvey, Jr are also running for the tx-14 cnogressional district
http://www.lptexas.org/candidates.shtml
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/candidates/guide/2008ind.shtml
Ron Paul has a quasi political gimmick and a thinly disguised politcal “racketer”.that can be used as a personal enterprise.
Ron Paul is a Barnum Balley carnival barker of illusions that he can win the election to become president when he knows he cant…
by fooling those who will blindly follow him
…”send more money..we can win”
$$$$…ka ching…$$$$….ka ching…..
…”..keep the revolution going…”
$$$$…ka ching…$$$$….ka ching…..
…money bomb time….
$$$$…ka ching…$$$$….ka ching…..
..”the revolution is growing everyday…we will win”
$$$$…ka ching…$$$$….ka ching…..
…”those neocons are going to take over”
$$$$…ka ching…$$$$….ka ching…..
Producing a potential contributor mailing list that could be used to market pubilcations as in the past
by Ron Paul, Lew (Lleweyllyn) Rockwell and Mark Elm
$$$$…ka ching…$$$$….ka ching…..
#66 - American Woman -
As I stated previously, it’s an exaggerated bullet point claim of the type that is prone to appear on political push cards. My reaction: so what?
Candidates do that sort of thing, and I’m not bothered that they do it because (1) it’s standard operating procedure for any campaign, (2) unlike some around here, I’m sensible enough to read past the campaign schlock that arrives in the mail and thus generally disregard it, and (3) those who do happen to be bothered by it (or at least claim as much), yourself included, also happen to be curiously selective in their outrage and even more curiously willing to gloss over or ignore more flagrant instances of the very same thing when it suits their political views.
So basically, my position is this: Paul’s people apparently deceived on a piece of political spin. I don’t really care that they deceived because it’s a minor, inconsequential, and ordinary piece of political spin, and I never put much credence in silly campaign literature from any source begin with. And you’re a flaming hypocrite for purporting outrage over it while conveniently ignoring far worse instances of political deception by candidates you happen to support. That clear enough for ya?
@LTC
I’ve met countless Paul supporters, and not one of them are blindly following Paul. They are all aware of his record and his positions and choose to support him.
Let me know what you mean, some examples with proof of people blindly following him. He is asking for money to gain more delegates, but Paul supporters are not under any type of illusion that he is going to win the nomination.
You must be part of the crowd that hopes this movement goes away after the election. Sorry to say that isn’t going to happen.
Must
reach
100
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics.
comments
c’mon don’t leave me hanging.
I work with a guy that was one of his 4000 deliveries, he is 38 years old. He said his mom told him that RP was a nut back then when he was delivered in Lake Jackson.
39. Phil
Huh? Who said anything about a judge? This isn’t a lawsuit. This is an effort to tell the truth. You surely aren’t opposed to the truth.
Don’t you ever get tired defending a fruitcake like Ron Paul?
73.
Yet here you are, Malcolm.
76. Digger
I have always thought it was hilarious that the Paul campaign thought it was so important to talk about how many babies he delivered. Because, as we all know, that has, well, absolutely nothing to do with his ability as a legislator.
72
Trying
very
hard
No, as I said it is saber rattling to intimate an impending lawsuit that will probably never be filed, and will never go anywhere if it is. The lawyers are mentioned solely to gain attention…which exposes this whole charade as a lame political hit.
Of course not. Why do you think I find Chris Peden’s campaign strategy so detestable? The simple answer is that he has an obvious problem with the truth.
73 Rick, of course. I’m not counting myself out!
Phil, I just wanted you to admit it was a lie. thanks. I wear my flaming hypocrit well, it matches my nails and toes.
Uh oh, it looks like Onzelo the Third, aka Chris Peden’s campaign manager (and largest individual beneficiary of disbursements made from the 8 campaign donations the Peden LST ad has generated), has thrown his hefty political weight behind a presidential candidate named…
Alan Keyes
http://reason.com/blog/show/125156
And yet the critics here complain about Ron Paul’s status as a presidential longshot? Yes, you read that correctly. Peden’s campaign director is endorsing Alan Keyes for President. The same Alan Keyes who has gotten only a couple dozen votes - not delegates but raw votes - so far in the Republican Primary. In 2008.
That should be a sure wakeup call to anyone who thinks Peden is a serious and credible candidate for much of anything.
Here it is from the horse’s mouth…
http://themarkumreport.blogspot.com/
- Onzelo Markum III, Campaign Director, Chris Peden for Congress
Did Alan Keys accept money from white supremacists for the cause?
I don’t think Alan Keyes has gotten any money at all for his cause…whatever that happens to be…other than perhaps selling some new “book” he wrote for the campaign…and I don’t think that happened either.
In defense of Keyes, he was once named “One of the 50 Most Long-Winded Loud Men in America” by Congressional Quarterly…
Only one of 50? American politics has not seen the likes of Keyes since William Henry Harrison’s inaugural address.
#91 Phil_M
Well, at least Keyes has had the good sense to not stand out in the rain for hours to deliver his speeches. It could be fatal, you know.
Well, Onzelo the Third’s blog also has an announcement about Keyes’ recent campaign stop. I don’t think it was raining but I hear a video recently emerged of it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBLeODh1EwY
C’mon folks… seven more comments and we can all move along (LST has a “At least 100 comments per Ron Paul post” rule)
Ok
I will push
the shrimp as Forrest
would say to Bubba on the shrimp boat
99 and 1 bottle to go
100
Off to pick up my granddaughter now so be nice while I am gone.
#93 Phil_M
Very funny.
Phil_M #61
You have missed the point. A media outlet can found to be responsible for deceptive advertising/misrepresentation. The use of an attorney formally puts the media outlet on notice concerning potential misrepresentations. Is it saber rattling? Perhaps! But that is what most legal strategies as well as political strategies are based upon. There have been instances in which media outlets have hesitated in airing ads because of the potential for litigation. Most of the time when the ads were not run; it was because they were put on notice about the misrepresentations contained in the ad and it was discovered that the misrepresentations actually exist.
Furthermore Peden does not have to complain about everything Ron Paul puts out. He is just putting the media outlets on notice about this particular statement which may or may not appear in print or on the air. Therefore my premise has not been betrayed. It is just that you seem to be unaware or unfamiliar with the use of an attorney in this manner in Political campaigns.
83.
Which doesn’t explain why you are oblivious to Ron Paul’s lies.
A little intellectual consistency would be nice. But we can’t really expect that from Paul’s supporters.
Do you agree that mall security guards are doing a better job than the troops in Iraq? (Not that we expect you to actually address the subject, since you are a master dodger.)
You are severely overstating the legal liability implicit to what is really nothing more than an exaggerated campaign talking point. The scenario you refer to pertains to situations of measurable liability - i.e. monetary damages. Such damages are clearly not the case here though because there is no measurably aggrieved party on Peden’s side and no realistic means of compensation - only how a minor point of campaign spin gets portrayed.
To put it another way, the potential for litigation here is nil because there simply isn’t anything that any court would seriously consider actionable, much less worthy of a settlement in damages. The point is too minor and there isn’t a readily identifiable harmed party.
So far from missing the point, my remark on the absurdity of using a lawyer in this instance is right on target. The cost of using one simply does not justify the benefit of a certain-to-fail legal case…unless, of course, you are conducting a political ploy of your own…which is exactly what Peden is doing here.
104 - Rick - Far from being oblivious, I’ve already acknowledged many times over that Paul’s bullet point is a deceptive campaign exaggeration.
It’s also a very minor, trivial, and ordinary one, which is why I’ve also stated that I simply don’t care about it.
Do you really expect me to be shocked that campaigns engage in spin? That they intentionally overstate the press coverage they receive? That they try to put a more positive light on stories than the stories themselves actually justify?
Cry me a river, Rick. That sort of stuff simply goes with the territory of all campaigns, Peden’s included. And right now I see a lot more misleading spin coming out of the Peden camp than the Paul camp. So that’s why I find all the outrage over Paul’s silly bullet point at best overwrought, and at worst extremely hypocritical and disingenuous.
I would like to see a constitutional amendment to have NOTA on every ballot for every elected position in the country. I’ll be we’d have far fewer elected officials and money wasted.
Ron Paul has introduced the following bills that benefit Texans just in the last year
H.R. 4293: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow an above-the-line deduction for State and local, and foreign, real property taxes.
H.R. 4829: To authorize the Secretary of the Army to convey the surface estate of the San Jacinto Disposal Area to the city of Galveston, Texas.
H.R. 3664: Tax Free Tips Act of 2007
H.R. 193: Make College Affordable Act of 2007
H.R. 4684: Cancer and Terminal Illness Patient Health Care Act of 2007
H.R. 5191: To prohibit the use of Federal funds to carry out the highway project known as the “Trans-Texas Corridor”.
H.R. 3302: Congressional Responsibility and Accountability Act
H.R. 3217: Terror Immigration Elimination Act of 2007
H.R. 219: Social Security Preservation Act of 2007
H.R. 3305: Anti-Terrorism Act of 2007
H.Res. 63: Amending the Rules of the House of Representatives to ensure that Members have a reasonable amount of time to read legislation that will be voted upon.
H.R. 191: Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act
There are so many more.
You may not see everything he is doing, but he is working for you. He is asking for what you really want. would you rather have someone who asks for what you DO NOT want? and then what would you do if you got it?
I just noticed there are only about 15 of you commenting and about 6 of you commented over and over. You must work for Pendan huh?
treber writing bills is one thing, but getting them passed is quite another. Please list the bills Ron Paul pushed through legislation this year. I mean bills he either wrote, or co-sponsored.
Check out the latest from the New Republic.
Jamie Kirchick, the radical gay activist who went on KSEV to accuse Ron Paul of being a racist-bigot-homophobe, now believes it is “racist” to criticize illegal immigrants campaign mailer.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/02/25/is-this-libertarianism.aspx
Watch out, LST - if you post pictures of tattoo covered illegals you too may be guilty of “racism.”
110 - Careful what you wish for, American Woman. The same could be said about ordinances on Friendswood City Council.
Last I checked, Chris Peden’s centerpiece ordinance proposal - the illegal immigration thing he proposed and hasn’t shut up about since - went down in flames. He also routinely loses votes there 5-1.
HRs are NOT HBs. They don’t mean a thing.
He routinely loses votes there 5-1. Let’s see how the sitting members of the Friendswood City Council do in the next election. Nothing like looking at their property tax bills again to help move people along. Phil, by routinely, do you mean the MAJORITY of his bills are shot down? If so, can you quantify his bills that he authored, and what percentage passed or failed? If I submitted a bill a day, and one bill a week was shot down, you could say my bills were routinely killed, when in fact 80% were passing. So let’s have some numbers to make your case.
Is it just me, or does the RP folks remind ya’ll of the Jim Jones followers? Just askin’.
Note to Dave, start a blog, title; R*n P*ul,(I’m afraid to say it out loud), then after I get Ten Ka-Jilloin hits a day sell advertising for big $$$, make mucho denero! One thing is for certain, you can’t confuse them with the FACTS! Hear no evil, see no evil, BUT speak an awful lot!!
#15 bob42 - I’m with #27 fatalbert and will add just a little to his substantial points:
We have to TRY to stop young people from using drugs. Statistics show that if you’re not hooked on drugs before age 21, you aren’t likely to be (ever). So, are we going to legalize drugs for people who can’t drink (liquor) legally? Great plan bob! The Queen of England is probably better looking, too
I’m not even going to repeat my litany of GOOD THINGS that got accomplished by Peden and LeCour while there was a CONSERVATIVE majority
Also, if the Government doesn’t define marriage, then it can be two men (but what about bi-sexuals) or 2 people, or bigger polygamy, and then what about farm animals? Eventually, employers will get tired of insuring any group that claims to be a spouse (or spice) which will be the end of stay-at-home moms. The “open definition of marriage” is a not-too-thinly veiled attack on the traditional family (and business) all in one neat package!
KSEV has done a LOT of good in Friendswood. What has bob_42 done for any City?
Full disclosure, my money is where my mouth is. I donated to Peden’s campaign.
#108 treber all GREAT titles (just like Islam is the religion of peace), but NONE passed.
#112 Phil_M Peden does NOT routinely lose 5-1 (but then again, you thought he was on the Texas City City Council). First of all, there are 7 members of council, and usually John LeCour and Jim Hill vote with Peden. And it was NOT an illegal immigration proposal, it was English First for City workers to be put on the ballot for the CITIZENS to decide (went down 5-2).
For more fun in “crazy, crazy Friendswood” see what happens at the special City Council meeting Wednesday night where the business interests and business-friendly Council members (including Peden and LeCour) will be pitted against the anti-business faction of “we like it because we’re the Establishment” part of Friendswood.
Please Re-read 108, thank you. Honestly thank you all from the rest of America, for showing us all what a Representative truly is.
That said, please note, that there is not any actual evidence that Dr. Paul was never called this by this magazine. Unless I missed something, I never saw a reference to a particular issue of this Congressional Quarterly. Paul has served US for nearly 2 decades, and this periodical has been around a long time. AND this is a blog, not an actual article with an actual author in an actual newspaper.
Please vote for US who cant… as you have… with your heart.
#116 - Where did I ever say Peden was on Texas City Council? Furthermore whether Peden has only his own vote or two others with him it’s STILL a minority and it’s STILL hypocritical of him to accuse Ron Paul of being ineffective when his own record is no better.
So in other words, it was an illegal immigrant proposal by any other name. And it failed.
#54 DJ, mega-dittoes.
#116 KRogers I’d enjoy discussing viable alternatives to the failed war on drugs when it is the main topic. This is a dead horse thread.
(The same goes for the government regulating the civil contract that is marriage.)
#27 Fat Albert, Excellent rebuttal.
I plead guilty to posting a flaming diatribe that exaggerated facts for political reasons, just like the subject article and all of LST’s prior Ron Paul smear pieces.
Months ago I wondered why LST was expending so much effort on smearing a candidate that had no chance of getting the nomination. By my reckoning, they’ve been doing so since October, long before Peden announced. It made no sense then.
Now it does.
LST’s dead horse beating has always been about unseating a sitting republican congressman in the party primary.
#118 Phil but Peden’s record IS better, opening meetings to citizen input, getting the Municipal Access channel to broadcast ALL Council meetings, three tax reductions, a tax rebate (NOTE it went to TAXPAYERS), increased City Services including Police and EMS equipment, a more reasonable tree ordinance, and he is STILL FIGHTING to make the town friendly for business (more on that after tonight’s meeting).
Peden is also a tireless humanitarian, supporting Hope Village for Retarded Citizens as the President of its Board for many years (not to mention the weekend every year where he actually takes care of the residents), he also supports the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, and his wonderful family also participates with him in charitable endeavors.
#121 - You seem like a devoted Peden fan, but do you not realize how ridiculous you sound?
Council meetings on the municipal access channel is a “legislative accomplishment” now? A new “tree ordinance” and voting with the rest of the council to hire more cops (= more traffic tickets = more revenue). Please. Those aren’t accomplishments. They’re window dressing, portrayed as something more in a desperate attempt to look credible for the same reason that Councilman Peden (as in the office he was elected to by the voters) continuously refers to himself as “Mayor Pro Tempore Peden,” an unelected honorary post within the council. After all, who does he think he is? Jew Don Boney?
Bottom line: Peden has one significant accomplishment in his 2 years on council, and I’ll give him credit for that where credit is due. He, along with the majority, cut Friendswood’s property tax rate. And he should be duly commended for that. But beyond it, his term has amounted to little more than hype. His other legislative centerpiece - the illegal immigrant thing - failed. It wasn’t even close.
When you have to start bragging about the municipal access channel and a tree ordinance as the next best thing on your legislative accomplishments list that means you don’t really have many accomplishments.
Ron Paul 10 TERM (20 YEARS) CONGRESSMAN.
WON 3 NONINCUMBENT ELECTIONS TO THE HOUSE.
HAS BEEN UNDEFEATED 10 CONSECUTIVE TIMES 97-06.
WINNING MORE OF THE VOTE, SPENDING LESS MONEY EVERY TIME. Does not ask for campaign contributions in his campaign mailers for house re-election.
He feels uncomfortable asking people for their hard earned money to get him into congress.
Instead, he figures if he works hard, and does his job administering the Constitution, his constituents will realize this and reelect him without him asking for money! Go Ronnie!
RON PAUL HAS:
1. Never voted a tax increase.
2. Never voted to enlarge government.
3. Never voted himself a pay raise.
4. Does not take part in the lucrative congressional pension plan which would be worth MANY MANY millions due to his military service coupled with his house service.
5. Ron Paul is an OBGYN and has delivered hundreds of babies in our district for FREE, when the mothers couldnt pay for treatment.
(In fact, this has won Dr. Paul many elections here because at one point it was estimated he and his partner delivered more then half the babies in his home district due to the fact they were the ONLY practicing OBGYNs in District 22 at the time! The competition never had a chance. Thus, TOM DELAY!)
cont:
6. Has more donations from active military soldiers than ANY and ALL candidates COMBINED. PLS REMEMBER Paul is THE ONLY ANTI WAR CANDIDATE.
7. Paul voted against the Iraq war and has since NEVER voted to fund it.
8. Paul spends his time in our district helping veterans get their rightful care and money the Fed owes them.
9. Paul has vowed to restore the name of the American people by offering peaceful trade and NEVER to use our trade policies as “ammo” against other countries to dictate their foreign policy.
10. Paul is vowing to shut down the ILLEGAL and PRIVATE federal reserve and let the “TRUE” free market take hold in trade policies.
RON PAUL is the most effective member of congress and the white house for that matter in fund raising.
Brining in a one day haul of over $6,000,000.00 in one day online fund raising and he did not have to spend one thin dime in advertising to do this.
What does that say?
Ron Paul has more cash on hand then any other Republican in the race and has NO DEBT!
Maybe this is how our country should be run.
Let the people do it, we know what we want.
“ONE MUST NEVER TRUST GOVERNMENT, ONE SHOULD NOT EVEN BE ASKED TO!”
RON PAUL
117.
Written like a true Paulbot.
123.
You are very good at cutting and pasting Paul talking points. What are you doing for an encore?
Wow. I just read this entire thread nonstop. I actually got two belly laughs and several smiles out of it. I never new politics could be this much fun!
I find it ironic that the article’s title is “50 ways to do the job of congress”. It seems to me that most of congress is not doing its job.
The few voices that raise objections to things like unconstitutional law seem to get stepped on by the others that make a habit of “votes for favors.”
Its really a shame, the American people that work their butts off for their families and themselves get shafted by congressmen that do nothing but vote for their own hand outs.
I find, Mr Peden that most of the time the people that cast the first stone are the people that want the least focus on them. By decrying Dr. Paul as a fraud, you will find yourself under greater scrutiny by others. Do you claim to have a squeaky clean history, or are there skeletons in your closet you want to keep out of the publics view.
Perhaps the media can ignore Dr. Paul a little longer. Choose not show the accomplishments that he has made to the American People, but can you
weather the scrutiny that a couple million Paul followers will bring to bear on your deeds?
Believe it or not Dr. Paul’s support is not from a group of mindless robots. It comes from a group of well educated Americans that have had enough of paying taxes to a government that is trying to circumvent the Constitutional laws on which it was created.
The good people of this country have had enough of the mud slinging done by ineffectual panderers, liars, and profiteers that this government seems to be populated with. You are no exception.
“50 ways to do the job of congress” as stated in the beginning should well be titled “50 ways the congress should be doing its job”.
Dr. Paul has done, and is still doing that job. His years in office, and his accomplishments in his congressional district far exceed your two years on council. His work and dreams are for the American people, and them alone.
He asks for no handouts.
Are you willing to do the same for this country?
Who will you work for?
Dr Dave
I can’t understand what Lonestar and Peden are trying to say about Ron Paul.
A few Articles ago there is a big stink in Lonestartimes about Ron Paul taking pork and that he was not as principled as McCain.
Now we have Peden who say Ron Paul doesn’t take pork for the 14th, being touted as the defender of truth by Lonestartimes.
WTF ????
We have a dilemma.. If Lonestartimes is credible and telling the truth then Peden is not but if Peden is credible and telling the truth then Lonestartimes is not.
So if the not credible Lonestartimes print an d supposedly verified the article by a credible Peden should we believe that Lonestartimes really looked into the allegations ? I would think not, so I would disregard this article as unverified.
However, if the not credible Peden sent out this communication and it was printed by the credible Lonestartimes would that make the communication by Peden credible? I would think not, so I would disregard this article as being not credible.
Conclusion this article is unverified or not credible.
As to Ron Paul presidential foray, he is starting to look better and better all the time as Flip Flopping McCain is now starting to take about subsidizes on corn and the 100 years in Iraq has turned to I will get the troops out. It is apparent his goal is to be president at any cost.
After seeing these attacks on Ron Paul, RP is starting to get better and better all the time in my view.
Phil_M … I enjoyed your well reasoned comments. Tks.
Ron Paul has never voted for a tax increase and supports the elimination of the income tax. he really is the taxpayers best friend! Of course these website is going to attack Paul. The media is corrupted and includes this website. Peden is comes not even close to Ron Paul and the people of the 14 district would be doing the country a disservice voting for Peden. Ron Paul campaign hits all the nails on the head and Ron was saying these things for over 30 years. He is my hero for having the courage to say things that very few have the guts to say. Peden himself said he respected Paul and praised him!! Peden is a flipper!
Somethings not jiving here. They show a cover of a 1999 magazine, or pamphlet, yet in the article at the end it speaks of Mccain Feingold, which wasn’t passed until 2002.
Someone want to explain that. Mccain Feingold wasn’t lying around for 3 years.
Regardless, you guys grasping at straws…keep trying you might uncover something important. If this is all you rookies can come up with, I’ll gladly take Paul over Songbird McCain, and his communist buddies of the Democratic Party.
Good Luck Peden, you have 0 shot at winning a congressional seat in the 14th district
Now we can join in all the fun.
We destroyed the Newsletters smear on the net now we will work on destroying this latest BS that the Neocons are using trying to stop the ONLY honest politician from retaining his seat.
For people with opened minds watch this video and you will see why the LSM (Lame Stream Media) and the Neocons (present day Republican Party leaders) do not want a Paul Presidency. Attacking his Congressional seat is just one more way of making him look like he has no chance to be President.
CNBC Ron Paul grills Bernanke, traders cheering 2008.02.27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkUc0k2ePhk
A Paul Presidency would put the BANKSTERS, that CONTROL your money and from there your lives, out of business and the printing of money would be done by Our Government and NOT World Banks.
Too many Americans would just rather have the government do everything for them from cradle to the grave instead of doing for themselves.
We are one to tell you that that will lead to the BANKRUPTCY of our great country.
We are a Forex Trader and because the Federal Reserve (do NOT let the name fool you, it is NOT a US Federal Organization) keeps lowering the value of the dollar by lowering the Fed Rate we have lost a fortune since August 2007.
1 day ago alone the dollar fell over 70 pips in less than 2 hours. That was from the Fed announcing they were going to cut again. The rest of the World is DUMPING dollars.
If Dr. Paul is NOT President then the USA WILL go bankrupt. We must elect Dr. Ron Paul and END the Fed. He is the ONLY candidate that is talking about the economy.
As for Dr. Paul’s claim he said, on the house.gov site that he received a phone call from CQ. It is very possible that they could have told him exactly what he wrote on his site.
As for the proof that CQ did NOT tell DR. Paul this we have NOT seen any proof on this page other than a bunch of words. We tried to find proof on CQ but one first has to join it and also there are other requirements that we did not meet to be able to join.
Peden is just wasting his time even trying to change the way his supporters feel about him. Ask Peden how many people showed up at his Rally for Congress?
If our memory serves us right it may have been 150 people. Dr. Paul’s Rally had 2,000 people if not more.
We would NOT count Dr. Paul out yet as President either. There are a lot of things happening, behind closed doors, that even our great STATESMAN does NOT even know about.
We will leave it at that but just wanted to let you ALL know that we are NOT one to let our country to go down without a fight.
We thought you Texans were the same as well. Were we mistaken and you will let our country be run by BANKSTERS instead of Americans?
Phil_M excellent job at debating and giving FACTS.
#124 RickG “You are very good at cutting and pasting Paul talking points. What are you doing for an encore?”
That’s what one needs to do when listing the accomplishments of Ron Paul…”copy/paste”. They’re too long, copy/paste is easier. I don’t see an issue since everything that was pasted was FACT. Got a problem with FACTS?
As for “American Woman” That $500 from a white supremacist, how is he suppose to screen every dollar while he was receiving millions…PLEASE. Why give the white Supremacist his money back to promote his racist views.
Check out his response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6oFeG0u0Tk
Can’t wait to hear that he won the AGAIN and will continue to be Congressman Ron Paul.
As far as the Presidential run…as stated by Ron Paul himself, he may have his shortcomings there BUT the message of Civil Liberty, The Constitution, and Peace will long thrive and grow.
In Texas CD 14, the latest polls from last week show Dr. Paul at
70%. The MSM is just trying to stir the pot and make headlines. Ron Paul supporters are out canvassing today and had great results.
Now that the TV ads are going, Dr. Paul’s numbers have been climbing and Peden’s dropping. I’d say 65-70% is a landslide.
I’ve looked and looked but can not seem to find anything Dr Paul has done to help the people of his district or the state of Texas in the 20+ years he has been enjoying the benefits of living off the public dole. Maybe that’s good, at least he’s not doing any harm as far as I can tell, except maybe a little embaressment for those who continue to endorse him. Perhaps the folks in his district figure “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” and as long as he dosen’t do anything to drastically upset their way of life……why bother to make a change? Will be interesting to watch. Thankfully, this will be all over next week.
wfish
If you don’t want to find something it doesn’t matter how much you look.
Check out Lonestars article on Paul taking pork for the 14th. If was above 170 others in his pork request. He claimed he was bringing back money to the 14th.
Peden claims that Paul votes against the very pork barrel things that he submits. Which is true. Now if the vote is defeated nobody gets the pork but is the vote is for then the 14th get the pork that people put in for with Paul’s help.
So to speak Pauls brings home the bacon that is either good or bad depending upon whom you support.
If you support Peden DOH.. Paul may have voted against the pork but he was the one that submitted it unless you believe that someone from another district put in all those pork barrel request.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-ronpaul_27tex.ART.State.Edition1.43bdd5f.html
” In written requests he submitted to the House Appropriations Committee, the Lake Jackson Republican asked for $8.6 million for the Army Corps of Engineers to maintain the Texas City Channel and $10 million for the Galveston Rail Causeway Bridge. He also asked for money for a nursing program, expansion of a cancer center at Brazosport Hospital, a seafood testing program, a Children’s Identification and Location Database and $8 million for Wild American Shrimp Marketing requested by the Texas Shrimp Association.”
Peden says Paul doesn’t get any pork back for the district.
Lonestar lambaste Paul for applying for the Pork voting against it and getting it.
And you can’t see that he has done anything good.
Peden refuses to see. Lonestartimes refuses to acknowledge that Paul did something useful and you can’t seem to find anything because you don’t want to.
Hmmm.
Let me get this strait….” I voted for it before I voted against it” or is it “I voted against it before I voted for it”? Either way, no foul-no harm. Nothing happened! Like I said I can’t find anything that helps anyone in his district or his state. Not that it matters….it’s just politics as usual.
I’ll give this: as the physician’s oathe calls for,
‘first of all do no harm’. He seems to be doing that.
wfish,
Get real and say RP can’t do anything right Peden is my man. #135
As I said, it is hard to find something when your not searching for it. #133
#135
No you don’t have it straight.. It is: I voted against it, for sure, but if the vote went against me and the constitution then I will hedge to do whats best for the district.
Hedging for the district so that his principles do not interfere with the needs of the district is what Ron Paul did.
#136
You have it straight on the “First of all do no harm”.
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Lonestar, Peden and others need to get a grip on reality and quit tripping all over themselves with circular dilemmas.
As to the politics as usual, I think not. Ron Pauls actions are far from usual for a politician they are unusual in that he shows tremendous guile in doing the right thing while not hurting his constituents.
He truly shows a beguiling and unusual amount of skill at politics or when it comes to politics “he’s got game”.
GO RON PAUL!!!!
You are an example to all of us.
I will vote for you, as will my family, friends, and quite a few coworkers.
Thank you for standing for us against the minions of FASCISM and COMMUNISM.
Since when did AMERICANS become more interested in FREE STUFF than in LIBERTY. It makes this war veterans heart weep…
GO GO GO RON PAUL!!!!!