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  1. Shannon on March 7th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Yes. Ass.

  2. bob42 on March 7th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    The resolution passed, right?

    End of story.

  3. little mike on March 7th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    #2 bob42

    They can’t help themselves. Their all consuming fascination with Dr. Paul continues…..

  4. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Dang, no hat tip for me again!!

  5. texpat on March 7th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    #4 Big

    Done. I am working on three posts right now. I forgot.

  6. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Texpat, did you get my link from last night on Obama’s plans?

  7. texpat on March 7th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    #6

    In OC ?

  8. FourAlarm on March 7th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    This guy is a bigger boob than Dolly Parton.

  9. bob42 on March 7th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    #3, little mike, Surely you’re not suggesting that LST has developed a Ron Paul Fetish

  10. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    Okay you Paulettes - what’s your explanation why he would not condemn such a heinous act? Only logical reason is that he supports it. A simple matter of common decency before all mankind -similar to what Jefferson said were our reasons for laying out our grievances against the king - so that the common sense of the world could see our reasons. Here the common sense of the world says we should condemn this. But apparently Ron Paul doesn’t think so….or he can’t think at all.

  11. little mike on March 7th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    #9 bob42, I think it’s a little more serious than a mere fetish.

    I believe little45iron has wet dreams about him.

    Okay, let’s not push it. LST Moderator

  12. bob42 on March 7th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Big, You’re smarter than that.

    Only logical reason is that he supports it.

  13. Robert 1 on March 7th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    Ron Paul obviously needs my help so I have written a “Top Ten” list of captions for his picture:

    1) Yeah, I’m as dumb as I look, so what!!

    2) You people don’t realize how stupid I can get!!

    3) My election to office just shows you how so many can be fooled at once.

    4) Oh!! Come on!! I’ve got to be better than HELLary or “BO”.

    5) Just think what I can do if I was President?

    6) I’m the “white” version of Queen Shelia.

    7) Heck, these two voted for me so I can’t be that bad.

    8) Can’t we just mind our own business!!!

    9) Don’t I look like governor material??

    10) Non-interventionist, heck, just call me an isolationist!!!

    I hope everyone, and especially Ron Paul, enjoys these.

  14. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Bob, the massacre in the rabinical seminary was not an act of war between two nations. It was an act of butchery and hatred. Condemning such an act should in no way violate Ron Paul’s sense of staying out of the business of other nations. This was not an act between nations. It was simple a cowardly criminal and inhuman act. There was no military target. It deserves condemnation. Ron Paul chose to vote against the condemnation. For that, he himself deserves our condemnation - and he’s darned sure going to get it.

    As for Mike, well, we learned what he was a couple days ago when he impugned our entire military for the sick act of one man. For that, he too deserves our condemnation and disgust. And he’s shown he’s worthy of it.

  15. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Only logical reason is that he supports it.

    Or it could simply be that he realizes resolutions like that one are nothing more than congressional grandstanding that nobody will listen to anyway.

    But heh, I guess if it makes you feel better about yourself that Congress condemned Hamas, as if their stamp of approval was somehow necessary to legitimize such acts of condemnation…

  16. Smacktle on March 7th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    The strange fascination with Ron Paul continues. Isn’t it time for you guys to move on?

    Our choices are Hillary, Obama and McCain and you guys are focused on RP.

    I just don’t get it.

  17. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Phil, I note you complete skipped over what Mike said about our military the other day.

  18. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
  19. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Phil, so tell me again why he would be against a vote condemning this?

  20. fat albert on March 7th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    phil -

    Would that be grandstanding like putting money for shrimpers in a bill that he knew was going to pass and then voting against the bill so he could legitimize his claim as “the taxpayers best friend”?

  21. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Phil, I note you complete skipped over what Mike said about our military the other day.

    Why do I have to care what Mike said about the military the other day? He can speak for himself

  22. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    I just sent this story to our local talk radio. Abercrombie is on the show every week, so he needs to be challenged on why he failed to vote yes.

  23. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Phil, so tell me again why he would be against a vote condemning this?

    Maybe he realizes that it is nothing more than a pointless act of grandstanding. Or do you honestly think it is something more than that?

  24. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Ohhh, so Mike can say something disgusting about our entire military, and you have nothing to say about it. But when it comes to Ron Paul, who can get his message out to the public any time, anywhere, you feel you have to speak for him. I got it.

  25. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    #20 - That would be a minor instance of earmarking, not to mention a curious point of objection from somebody who apparently had no problem with a guy who promised 10 times as much in earmarks to NASA. Irony, irony…

  26. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Ohhh, so Mike can say something disgusting about our entire military, and you have nothing to say about it.

    I didn’t see what he said and I don’t really care what he said because it was not directed to me, and I don’t consider his opinion noteworthy.

    So no, Big, I don’t have anything more to say about it, though your fascination with it is a strange one to say the least…some might even call it obsessive.

  27. fat albert on March 7th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    25 -Phil:

    First of all, I live in CD-22 and thus have my own Lampsons to tilt at. I had no dog in the CD-14 race. My objection to Dr. Paul was as a presidential contender. Frankly I believe his views on foreign policy make him unfit to serve as Commander in Chief, but as we all know that’s all water under the bridge.

    My comment, this morning at #20 was directed at you sir. You apparently believe that a Congressional resolution condemning an act of absolute depravity and inhumanity is “grandstanding” and thus you excuse Dr. Paul’s decision not to vote in favor. I simply pointed out that Dr. Paul is certainly not above a little “grandstanding” of his own, when it suits his purposes.

  28. hamous on March 7th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    political grandstanding - Continuing a presidential campaign when you are one of two remaining candidates and can still only garner support of 5% of the voters.

  29. little mike on March 7th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    #16 Smacktle,

    They are obsessed because they realize that Ron Paul isn’t going anywhere, and that after 4 years of Hillary or Obama more folks might want to take a little closer look at the freedom preaching good Dr.

  30. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Thanks for clarifying that Phil. You’ve confirmed to all of us why we also dismiss Paulettes as unworthy of any serious considerations of your opinions. It goes to the core of what we value that you wouldn’t care that any dirtbag would make a wide cast insult to our military, and that you really don’t give a damn because he supports your wacked out candidate.

  31. texan1953 on March 7th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    At what point will the “rinos” that supported Ron Paul with their votes be ashamed of themselves?

  32. An Observer on March 7th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
  33. little mike on March 7th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    31,

    Reagan supported Ron Paul and I choose to follow his example. I don’t normally think of The Great One as a “rino”.

  34. An Observer on March 7th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    If the man in the tie get re-elected to another term, something is terribly wrong. See ya Ron!

  35. texan1953 on March 7th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    #33 it proves even the Great Reagan can make a mistake or be fooled. What’s your excuse? I pity you and yours.

  36. hamous on March 7th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Haven’t you guys figured this out yet? We do it for entertainment and the Rombies never fail to take the bait. Ralph Paul, I mean Ron Nader, I mean Ron Paul may be back in four years but he’ll still only have the support of a few libertarians and all the fascists.

  37. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    President Reagan would never have made the disgusting insinuation against our whole military that you made the other day Mike.

  38. fat albert on March 7th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    33 - mike -

    Oh please! Reagan supported RP with one statement almost 20 years ago. Is that the best you can do?

    BTW, people have been taking a good look at RP for a number of years. He couldn’t even convince the voters IN HIS OWN DISTRICT that he would be a good president.

  39. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Hamous, good news. We get another shot at removing Herr Paul in another 2 years!!

  40. texan1953 on March 7th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    little mind…uuuhh…little mike. Therapy…get it…soon.

  41. little mike on March 7th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    35,

    Was Reagan fooled or were you?

    ’nuff said…

  42. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    LET’S GET BACK ON TOPIC. LST MODERATOR

  43. little mike on March 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Little Mike against the entire LST blogpop.

    That’s ok, it’s much easier dealing with a passle of rednecks than a couple of 18 month old twins..

  44. Shannon on March 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
  45. little mike on March 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    LET’S GET BACK ON TOPIC. LST MODERATOR

  46. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    My comment, this morning at #20 was directed at you sir. You apparently believe that a Congressional resolution condemning an act of absolute depravity and inhumanity is “grandstanding” and thus you excuse Dr. Paul’s decision not to vote in favor.

    I’ve yet to see any argument advanced here that shows it is anything more than grandstanding, so yes. I stand by that characterization.

    As to the shrimp earmarks, call them grandstanding too if it makes you happy. But so what? That doesn’t make the current resolution on Hamas any less of an act of grandstanding.

  47. Shannon on March 7th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    44 Ooops. Wrong thread.

  48. texan1953 on March 7th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    GET BACK TO THE TOPIC. LST MODERATOR

  49. american woman on March 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    It would have been very simple for Ron Paul to vote yes to this. Not in any way can I see this resolution going against his beliefs, unless he is more of a, shall we say, racist than his followers want to believe. Ron Paul’s inability to vote yes, has taken me from believing, his acceptance of money from hate groups was just an accident, to believing he hates.

  50. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    TexPat, I’ll repost on today’s open comments where I should.

  51. wfish on March 7th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    They say ignorance is bliss. Those who voted for RP must be in bliss. God bless them, they need all the help they can get.

  52. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    It goes to the core of what we value that you wouldn’t care that any dirtbag would make a wide cast insult to our military, and that you really don’t give a damn because he supports your wacked out candidate.

    Mighty words coming from a guy who insinuates Paul’s own military service is less worthy than others since he served in Korea, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, and Ethiopia instead of Vietnam. But hey, you’ve never been one to exhibit depth or consistency in thought, Big. So why should I be surprised at your bizarre single-minded obsession with a several day-old comment from another inconsequential poster, whom you expect everyone else to condemn for…well…I’m not exactly why you expect us to condemn him, much less care.

  53. little mike on March 7th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    AW,

    As one of the more thoughtful posters here, I don’t think you really believe that.

  54. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Hamous, good news. We get another shot at removing Herr Paul in another 2 years!!

    I hear Chris Peden is already telling people that he’s gonna run. Maybe he can promise to spend twice as much on NASA next time around and only lose by 65-35%!

  55. texan1953 on March 7th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    LST MODERATOR. The topic is the mentality of those who blindly support Ron Paul in this blog and RP’s NO vote. No profanity was used and as I engaged with little mike in a semi-civil way (for me). Apparently the “usual” contributors are allowed to vent. Fortunately I have an actual job and usually just view this blog…and will continue to do so. Feel free to delete.

  56. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    PHIL, as I have pointed out several time, it’s YOU who exaggerate Ron Paul’s record. Ron Paul was never in a dangerous combat zone. No risk of being shot at. You stated he cared for wounded returning helicopter pilots (your words - which you fabricated). You RP folks just seem to think you can make up stories and not be challenged on them, just like any liberal. And then you get mad and try to deflect from your lies my totalling ignoring it when somebody points them out. I pointed out that Ron Paul, as a physcian, could have volunteered for service in Vietnam where his medical skills would have done the most good, but he chose not to. Deal with the truth. But you can’t. You’re a Paulette.

  57. bob42 on March 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Even the democrats are smart enough to know they can’t take down Ron Paul in CD14.

    Take the hint republican establishment… You’ve stooped to redrawing the boundaries, and failed. You’ve talked several schmucks into primaries where they didn’t stand a chance, and failed every time.

    Maybe next time, ya’ll should try running McCain in the CD14 primary. I figure he’ll be available.

  58. american woman on March 7th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Little Mike, this was a very simple yes vote….. and you and I both know there have been rumors for some time about his prejudice. This would have been a perfect opportunity for him to lay that all to rest. He chose not to…. So,,, What do you think, Little Mike? And thanks for the compliment……… Most times i’m plain full of ” lack of thought” thanks again lol

  59. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Ron Paul was never in a dangerous combat zone. No risk of being shot at.

    The only people who know that for certain are Paul and those who served with him. Seeing as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Ethiopia, and Iran (all places where Paul served) are not exactly known for their political stability, there indeed exists a strong probability that he was stationed in areas that were dangerous at the time.

    You may flippantly claim otherwise in what is nothing more than a transparent attempt to denigrate his military service record, but at the end of the day you have no way of knowing and no proof to back up your numerous speculations about his service record.

    You stated he cared for wounded returning helicopter pilots (your words - which you fabricated).

    Wrong. You looked up Kelly AFB on wikipedia, saw it had no helicopter wing at the time, and simply assumed that Paul had never worked on helicopter pilots. Yet 5 seconds on google took me to the New York Times’ profile on Paul, including his military years, which clearly states among other things that his duties included flight physicals on - you guessed it - helicopter pilots. How could that be, you may ask, if Kelly AFB had no helicopters? Very simple - according to the NYT the pilots were army! You could have easily ascertained that, of course, but your dislike for Paul and your desire to denigrate his military record prevented you from doing so. So instead you played a shoddy game of connect the dots on wikipedia, reached an untenable conclusion that you fraudulently presented as “fact,” and then had the audacity to accuse me of a “fabrication.”

  60. american woman on March 7th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Why did Ron Paul feel he needed to be the one lone vote NO?
    Bob42, what are your thoughts?

  61. bob42 on March 7th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    #60. AW, Consider that Ron Paul has cast the sole NO vote in congress often enough to earn his “Dr. NO” nickname. If anyone cares to look at some of his other solitary NO votes, they’ll find a much more reasonable and logical explanation than some that been suggested in this thread.

    But for some, it’s just easier to employ this illogic:

    Ron Paul wants to end the War on Drugs, therefore he must be a heroin addict.

  62. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    No Paul AGAIN you said wounded/recovering pilots. You made that up. You keep trying to divert attention from what you fabricated. He took care of the ear, nose, and throat problems. Not recovering wounded. Just admit you lied about it. Come clean and you’ll feel better.

  63. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Phil, tell me when he was stationed in those countries. From what date to what date? He made hops in and out of there to maintain his flight surgeon status. That’s all. You continue to make stuff up.

  64. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    #62 - It’s my understanding and recollection from hearing Paul in the past that he treated the wounded. Considering the timespan in which he served and the number of places around the world where he served, I find this entirely plausible. While only Paul himself can provide the details necessary to confirm it, your sloppy and hyperbolized antics have done nothing to refute it either. Thus your repeated insinuations of a fabrication are themselves false, and your evidence for what you claim is lacking. Let us consider:

    1. You said that Paul was never in danger, despite serving in several of the most dangerous countries in the world. You offered no conclusive evidence of this though - only assumption.

    2. You said that Paul never worked on helicopter pilots based on your own wikipedia research. This was flat out wrong and directly contradicted by the New York Times’ profile on him.

    3. You have repeatedly denigrated even his medical record by saying he did nothing more than “ear, nose, and throat” problems. While he clearly practiced medicine in this area, the Times again conclusively contradicts you by indicating he served in other medical capacities including flight physicals for - you guessed it - army helicopter pilots.

  65. american woman on March 7th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Ok Bob, you need to break this down a little more for me. I understand he has voted No many times. Why couldn’t he vote yes this one time? You know him better than I do.

  66. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Phil, tell me when he was stationed in those countries. From what date to what date? He made hops in and out of there to maintain his flight surgeon status. That’s all.

    Interesting…you want me to give you the dates of his service in those countries and imply it isn’t “real” service without those records, yet at the same time you claim to know for certain that it was all nothing more than a “hop” to maintain flight surgeon status.

    It seems to me, Big, that your request for documentation is misdirected. That Paul served in Korea, Afghanistan et al is not disputed. Yet here you are, without so much as a shred of proof, asserting that they were flight status hops and simultaneously demanding documentation of them from me. You can’t have it both ways, Big. Either live by your own standards of evidence and produce the goods to back your unsubstantiated claims or quit demanding them of others.

  67. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Why couldn’t he vote yes this one time?

    AW - Explain to me what, other than grandstanding, this resolution accomplishes. Explain to me why it was necessary and what change it will affect in the world.

    Do that and you’ll have your answer.

  68. american woman on March 7th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    It unites a country to oppose horrendous acts against a friend of ours. Phil, Israel is our friend in an unfriendly area.

  69. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Notice again how Phil just wants to gloss over his fabrication of Ron Paul having treated wounded helicopter pilots returning from Vietnam.

  70. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Phil, if I travel to Paris for a couple of days, that doesn’t mean I lived in Paris. That’s what you are trying to do here. You just continually show how silly your statements are.

  71. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    It unites a country to oppose horrendous acts against a friend of ours.

    Oh, so it “unites a country.” Let me guess - it also pledges allegiance to the flag, sings My Country Tis of Thee, and directs the National Park Service to shoot fireworks out of the statue of liberty’s @$$.

    Please. It “united a country.” Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds? Any sane person already knows Hamas is an enemy, and they don’t have to have Congress voting in a meaningless resolution every couple of years to declare that to them to know it.

  72. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Phil, if I travel to Paris for a couple of days, that doesn’t mean I lived in Paris. That’s what you are trying to do here.

    Says he who claims to *know* that Paul’s foreign service was simply flight status hopping, yet cannot be bothered to provide any evidence or documentation to back that unfounded assumption. Go figure.

  73. BigJolly on March 7th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    LOL, #71 was pretty good Phil.

  74. american woman on March 7th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Phil, the rest of the world watches us. We made it clear today. I’m very glad we did this, and disappointed we had a no vote.

  75. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Phil, you made the original statement of Ron Paul treating wounded returning helicopter pilots. You show me your documentation on that.

  76. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
  77. fat albert on March 7th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    71 phil:

    It makes a statement about where the US stands as a nation. It my not have any affect on the outcome of the current situation, nevertheless, it puts the rest of the world on notice as to where our sympathies lie.

    In fact, it sounds kind of like most of Dr. Paul’s “NO” votes. Irony, irony……

  78. bob42 on March 7th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Ron Paul is in a small minority of politicians that oppose the War on Drugs, and does so because he recognizes its ineffectiveness, costs, and impacts to the liberty of all. Suggesting that his opposition to the War on Drugs means he supports drug abuse would be illogical.

    Mr. Speaker: I rise in opposition to H. Res. 951, a resolution to condemn Palestinian rocket attacks on Israeli civilians. As one who is consistently against war and violence, I obviously do not support the firing of rockets indiscriminately into civilian populations. I believe it is appalling that Palestinians are firing rockets that harm innocent Israelis, just as I believe it is appalling that Israel fires missiles into Palestinian areas where children and other non-combatants are killed and injured.

    Unfortunately, legislation such as this is more likely to perpetuate violence in the Middle East than contribute to its abatement. It is our continued involvement and intervention – particularly when it appears to be one-sided – that reduces the incentive for opposing sides to reach a lasting peace agreement.

    Additionally, this bill will continue the march toward war with Iran and Syria, as it contains provocative language targeting these countries. The legislation oversimplifies the Israel/Palestine conflict and the larger unrest in the Middle East by simply pointing the finger at Iran and Syria. This is another piece in a steady series of legislation passed in the House that intensifies enmity between the United States and Iran and Syria. My colleagues will recall that we saw a similar steady stream of provocative legislation against Iraq in the years before the US attack on that country.

    I strongly believe that we must cease making proclamations involving conflicts that have nothing to do with the United States. We incur the wrath of those who feel slighted while doing very little to slow or stop the violence.

    Here we have two very different issues, both loaded with emotion, and the rare politician who treats both with consistency and predictable adherence to a clearly stated philosophy, regardless of the electoral hazards of doing so. In my mind, this defines a true statesman and an honorable person.

  79. texpat on March 7th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    RE: Ron Paul’s Statement

    That is the most apallingly stupid and ignorant statement I’ve seen out his mouth in a while. What a gutless, useless moron he is. The hat fits very well.

  80. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Try to send an email to Ron Paul if you don’t live in his district. What is our official Ron Paul source that he was stationed in all those countries Phil? I don’t see in on any official Ron Paul website.

  81. fat albert on March 7th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Bob 42:

    It’s useful to see the whole statement, thanks for posting it. After reading it, I understand Dr. Paul’s reasoning a bit better. I strenuously disagree with much of what he said, but that’s life. Fortunately, in this instance, the vast majority of his colleagues disagreed with him.

  82. RickG on March 7th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Big45 busted Phil_M.

    This resolution is another example of the anti-Israel views of the Dishonorable Ron Paul

    Too many Paulbots fail to recognize the power of moral authority because they have no healthy sense of morals - like the Nazis who worship Herr Doktor on their websites.

    By the definition of some, every time a politician speaks out against wrong or for principle, it’s useless grandstanding. Like Lincon at Gettysburg, FDR during WWII, Churchill in his “iron curtain” speech, JFK’s inaugural address and Reagan’s “tear down this wall.”

    Yeah, useless grandstanding all.

    If any Paulbearers wonder why they are often not taken seriously, they need only look at the excuses his supporters are making to defend this vote.

    Oh, and to show what a pathetic and ineffectual congressman he has been, he touts himself by quoting a statement Ronald Reagan made over 20 years ago and lying about what a magazine said to make himself look better. Impressive.

  83. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Perhaps Ron Paul would sign an SF 180 and release all his military records.

  84. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    #75 - I already told you - I was repeating a recollection that I heard from Paul at a townhall meeting. Without direct access to Paul or his military records, I cannot confirm it in writing. But I also have no reason to believe it is in error since Paul was serving in a time period where he would have been in regular contact with troops assigned to Vietnam and elsewhere.

    Since that time I have also made an effort to locate and provide pertinent documentation online. While this has not produced sufficient detail to corroborate what I heard, it has confirmed in direct contradiction to what you have claimed that Paul did physicals on helicopter pilots while at Kelly AFB. They were army pilots in a joint operation, and thus would not have shown up as being stationed at Kelly.

    So where does that leave us? It leaves us with a recollection of something Paul said that I cannot independently document without additional access to military records, but also something that I have no reason to believe is in error since no evidence to the contrary has shown up either.

    It also leaves you with a clear piece of fabrication when you claimed that Paul never worked on helicopter pilots based on what you read on Wikipedia.

  85. bob42 on March 7th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    You can agree or disagree with Ron Paul’s position on The War on Drugs, or grandstanding, but at least you know where he stands and what he will do. You can’t say that about Obamary or McCain.

    This ceases to be about Ron Paul. We need more true statesmen in office, and a political system that better represents the thinking voter.

    We need a revolution.

  86. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    It my not have any affect on the outcome of the current situation, nevertheless, it puts the rest of the world on notice as to where our sympathies lie.

    Nonsense. The world already knows our sympathies because they have been the same sympathies for decades. Furthermore, the Executive Branch is by far the more vocal conveyor of those sympathies and it has more than adequately publicized them.

    This resolution was nothing more than meaningless grandstanding from a do-nothing Congress. It authorized absolutely nothing meaningful, said absolutely nothing new, and sent absolutely no message beyond what was already known. Any attempt to portray it as something more is either incredibly naive or completely delusional.

  87. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    LOL, Phil can’t provide any proof at all.

  88. Shannon on March 7th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Surely annoying is having our estimable Congressional servants waste time on resolutions recognizing the quilt ladies of Podunk, KS.

    Not all resolutions are created equal and this type clearly sends a message to people/press overseas.

    Ron Paul should have supported the resolution, unless he did not agree with its content.

    Apparently, he did not…..

    He and many other Palestinian sympathizers.

  89. fat albert on March 7th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Phil_M:

    {This resolution was nothing more than meaningless grandstanding from a do-nothing Congress. It authorized absolutely nothing meaningful, said absolutely nothing new, and sent absolutely no message beyond what was already known. Any attempt to portray it as something more is either incredibly naive or completely delusional. }

    You knpw, just thinking here, but if you delete the word “Congress” and substitute the words “Ron Paul” don’t you have an accurate description of all he’s done for the last 20 years?

  90. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Fat albert #89, what was indeed an excellent and insightful observation. Kudos to you sir.

  91. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    No Phil, it nothing you have provided confirmed anything you’ve said. NADA. ZIPPO. ZERO. ZILCH.

  92. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Oh, and Phil, since I have service with both aviation and infantry units then, and since I lived in San Antonio then and regularly visited all the bases in San Antonio on a weekly and sometimes daily basis during the time that Ron Paul was stationed there, and since I have a working knowledge of what goes on in the military based on 11 years of service working with multiple branches and nations around the world, I’d say better insight into these matters than you. Oh the other hand….you’ve read blogs.

  93. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Pardon me. Bad editing. I was not in the military in San Antonio then. I did travel almost daily to the bases in San Antonio when Ron Paul was there.

  94. mrygill2 on March 7th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    I am embarrassed that Ron Paul is my US Representative. He has voted against similar resolutions and I suspect him of anti-Semitic beliefs.

  95. David Benzion on March 7th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    C’mon people… five more and we’re done.

  96. hamous on March 7th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Ok, my old standby:

    Just click your heels together three times and say, “There’s no place like Ron Paul, There’s no place like Ron Paul, There’s no place like Ron Paul.

  97. hamous on March 7th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Oh, and Halliburton.

    /just for Daniel

  98. hamous on March 7th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Baghwan Ron is wondering what “the next phase” is. How ’bout representing his district since he’s been off the job for about a year now?

  99. hamous on March 7th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    I’ll give someone else 100.

  100. american woman on March 7th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 100

  101. hamous on March 7th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
  102. bob42 on March 7th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    #100 Nice, but falls short of the full pound. Keep trying :)

  103. hamous on March 7th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
  104. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Oh, and Phil, since I have service with both aviation and infantry units then, and since I lived in San Antonio then and regularly visited all the bases in San Antonio on a weekly and sometimes daily basis during the time that Ron Paul was stationed there, and since I have a working knowledge of what goes on in the military based on 11 years of service working with multiple branches and nations around the world

    I’m sure you do. Now would you happen to be the driver of the mobile custodial unit, or the guy who guides the forklift arms into the slots on the side of the dumpster?

  105. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    No Phil, it nothing you have provided confirmed anything you’ve said. NADA. ZIPPO. ZERO. ZILCH.

    Just that and the New York Times article that explicitly stated he did physicals for army helicopter pilots.

    And what do you have to counter that? A game of connect the dots on wikipedia…

  106. american woman on March 7th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Bob, there is only so much eloquence in this old gal lol

  107. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    #89 - I like my congressmen when they’re ineffective. It’s the effective ones who get to me by taxing me and spending it on wasteful useless handouts.

  108. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Phil, go back and read the article. It doesn’t say he did them at Kelly AFB. Read it.

  109. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Here’s the article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin

    Can anybody find where it says in 1965 Ron Paul gave physicals to Army pilots at Kelly Air Force Base? It says he gave physicals to Army Warrant officers who wanted to be pilots. That’s all.

  110. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Phil never could find any documentation to back up his fabrication that RP treated returning wounded helicopter pilots:

    Phil_M Says:
    March 7th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
    #75 - I already told you - I was repeating a recollection that I heard from Paul at a townhall meeting

    So he had to recall his “recollection”. And of course we’ll all take that at face value, LOL.

  111. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    Here’s a challenge. Research Ron Paul’s campaign staff nationwide. Try to find the Jews on his staff. Prove they are Jewish if you think you find one. Good luck.

  112. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Phil hates it when he gets caught. AW, isn’t that part of the test showing sociopathic behavior you were looking at?

  113. Adee on March 7th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Hamous, Tommy’s rockin’ and rollin’ again.

  114. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Phil, go back and read the article. It doesn’t say he did them at Kelly AFB. Read it.

    It says he did them while in the air force, and we know that when he was in the air force he was stationed at Kelly. Ergo, he did physicals for helicopter pilots either at Kelly or on assignment elsewhere while still affiliated with Kelly.

    Notably, either scenario contradicts your Wikipedia-based fabrication that Paul never worked on helicopter pilots.

    After medical school at Duke, Paul joined the Air Force, where he served as a flight surgeon, tending to the ear, nose and throat ailments of pilots, and traveling to Iran, Ethiopia and elsewhere. “I recall doing a lot of physicals on Army warrant officers who wanted to become helicopter pilots and go to Vietnam,” he told me. “They were gung-ho. I’ve often thought about how many of those people never came back.”

  115. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Here’s a challenge. Research Ron Paul’s campaign staff nationwide. Try to find the Jews on his staff. Prove they are Jewish if you think you find one. Good luck.

    I’m guessing you don’t think Murray Rothbard is Jewish enough.

  116. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    AW, isn’t that part of the test showing sociopathic behavior you were looking at?

    I don’t recall any test of sociopathy, but I do see the classic signs of anal retentiveness and obessive compulsive disorder coming from you, Big. The tell tale OCD indicators are particularly pronounced…

    - multiple increasingly repetitive responses to a single comment (pretty much every comment you’ve made in the last two hours)

    - obsessive questioning of other posters about the irrelevant (little mike and the military)

    - a tendency to carry feuds across multiple different threads on different days (little mike, Paul’s military service)

    - general belligerency to just about everything and everyone you disagree with (which happens pretty much every time you show up here)

  117. Phil_M on March 7th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    And of course there’s also this…

    http://www.jews4ronpaul.org/advisors.html

  118. american woman on March 7th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    #112 Yes, I think it was……. but also Phil is young.

  119. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Tending to the ear, nose and throat ailments? I thought you said he was tending to wounded helicopter pilots returning from Vietnam (which was just starting in 1965).

    Well now, if he did them in San Antonio, likely he did them at Fort Sam Houston (you know, the Army base where Brooke Army Medical is located?). But he was still in the Air Force/ANG, so he could have done them after 1965 and after he left San Antonio. It doesn’t say when he gave the physicals.
    So your ergo has airholes. I have neglected though your mention several days ago about helicopters at Kelly…which were never there.

  120. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Oh, there weren’t any helicopters at Fort Sam Houston either, so don’t bother looking.

  121. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Murray Rothbard died in 1995, so it wouldn’t surprise me that Ron Paul had him on staff, ROFL.

  122. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Apparently Phil is having a problem with reader comprehension today. I said show me a Jew on Ron Paul’s campaign staff.

  123. Big45Iron on March 7th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Murray Rothbard was an interesting guy. Seems he was a mentor to this guy:

    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu468.dFH8YABiiZXNyoA?p=LEW+ROCKWELL&fr=yfp-t-501&ei=UTF-8

    And you wonder why we think most Paulettes are crackpots.

  124. hamous on March 7th, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    #117 - Of course you already know that Jews4RonPaul was exposed as a hoax and the leader is actually a gay Unitarian.

  125. Phil_M on March 8th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    Of course you already know that Jews4RonPaul was exposed as a hoax and the leader is actually a gay Unitarian.

    I thought that was Jamie Kirchick.

  126. LizBV on March 8th, 2008 at 5:55 am

    Darn it! I slept through all this? Next time, somebody wake me up!
    On 2nd thought… never mind…

  127. hamous on March 8th, 2008 at 7:24 am

    More on the fraud of Jim C. Perry and Jews for Ron Paul.

  128. Phil_M on March 8th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    127 - That’s strange. I don’t see a person named Jim C. Perry advertised anywhere on the board of that site.

    I do see Murray Sabrin, Paul Gottfried, Burt Blumert, and Walter Block though, as well as several others.

    I also know for certain that Sabrin, Blumert, Gottfried, and Block are die-hard Paul supporters, and they are all Jewish.

  129. hamous on March 8th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    I’m not arguing that there aren’t actual Jews that support Ron Paul. There are also Jews like Norman Finkelstein that support Palestinian terrorists. Perry is (or was) the Executive Director of Jews for Ron Paul.

  130. Big45Iron on March 8th, 2008 at 2:45 pm