Pop quiz time! Who said the following in an uplifting theological treatise:
No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.
Is it:
a. Osama Bin Laden
b. A Hezbollah spokesman
c. The Houston Chronicle editorial board
d. Barack Obama’s pastor
If you answered D, you nailed it.
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And this surprises anyone?
He is no longer Obama’s pastor. His last day was mid January, and he is now on Obama’s campaign staff working to handle racial remarks or something to that effect.
I don’t know how long “BO” can maintain this “cult leader” status before people realize he is a shallow person with charm and nothing else. That the only thing he is offerring is “change”. He won’t tell you what kind of “change” but you can tell by the people he associates himself with. HELLary had better hope they find out sooner rather than later, otherwise she and Bill will have to screw him at the convention. And that will be VERY BAD for the Dimwits!!!!!!!
Matt,
The more you whine, the more it’s gonna hurt in November.
#4,
My whine meter must be broken. Could you point out the whine in this post?
Do you think “God” actually listens to this guy?
#6, I’m sure God is listening very carefully to this guy to determine just how far into Hell to throw him.
Izzy, simple question for you. I know you’ve still been unable to answer mine from yesterday, so I’ll make this one really easy.
Should God damn America?
E. all of the above.
He’s still listed as the pastor on the website. Not saying that he hasn’t quit or anything … but he is still listed on the site. They need to update I guess.
http://www.tucc.org/pastor.htm
And Wikipedia has him retiring in February.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright
Interesting that a minister uses the Lord’s name in vein.
Matt,
you ask strange questions. Then whenever I attempt to answer them you offer invectives. Seems to me you are attempting to play the race card here. Why do you do this? Should God damn America? Whatever I respond you will scorn, so where’s the profit? You use and twist his words to mock. I think he is racist from what I’ve read. Which poster here at LST is to one degree or another. No? The good book says “Do not use the Lord’s name in vain”. Have you? Now, I’ve answered your question. You answer mine.
Izzy
insert isn’t 6th line after LST
# 7
Did you used to post at LGF ?
Does God bother with man-made boundaries and nations? Or does he focus instead on the souls of individuals?
Will our citizenship be held against us or will it earn us some slack when we meet St. Peter at the Pearly Gates?
Given some of our history, I sure hope not.
11,
What HUMAN isn’t racist to one degree or another?
And who is playing a race card here? You are the only one here that seems to be playing one. There was no racial component in Matt’s post.
It doesn’t matter if that pastor was pink with purple spots, what he said is offencsive.
What invective?
Please. Did I mention race at all?
It’s a legitimate question. Rev. Wright thinks God should damn America. Do you?
This is an interesting point, and I think you misunderstand my problem with Wright’s statement. I wasn’t calling him out for using God’s name in vain, because he wasn’t using that phrase in vain.
He wasn’t using it as an epithet, like one might do after stubbing one’s toe. He’s a preacher, and he knows the meaning of his words. Wright was literally calling on the Lord to damn — that is, to condemn — American society.
In that context, “God damn America” literally means “May God condemn America.” And that’s exactly what Wright meant.
To answer your question, yes, I am ashamed to say I have used the Lord’s name in vain. I have asked for His forgiveness and trust in it. I have not ever prayed for Him to condemn my nation, as Wright has.
So I’ll ask again: Should God damn America?
#13,
No.
This is a pretty good discussion. In the context, I do see where the Rev. is asking God to condemn America but does the Rev. consider himself a part of “America”. After all, he is here in America where he has the right to make that statement. The Rev. should know that God will pass judgement in his own way, he doesn’t need to be asked or told to do it. Maybe God will just condemn the Rev. and let it go at that.
#16 - Cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnn Matt!
This is simple!
invective = any question that cannot be answered “straight up” without revealing the hidden and unspoken agenda!
Do I win anything>
Doesn’t really matter what the guy says or how he acts. As long as the press ( print/TV) bow at the alter of Obama, this will never get traction. Has Oprah moved away? The hens on The View?. The New York Times editorial board? Bill Mahr? Pick your poison. Unless the Clinton camp decides to play this up, forget it. Makes for good talk show blabber, though.
Rush played the pastor’s Christmas sermon today. Obama has attended this church for 20 years. He chose this church. His children are raised in their beliefs in this church. This pastor is full of hate. He preaches hate. The man half of America is swooning over has been guided by a pastor full of hate for 20 years. It’s time the media starts asking the questions. 1. Obama,why did you choose this Church? 2. Why does your pastor preach hate and racism? 3.Why are you letting American only see one side of you, when you have associated with militant activists, attend a racist church, and need help to attain property from a man indited for crimes? ( I can’t take credit for all of this, Rush was darn good today)
Oh and one more thing….. Obama has given a lot of money in support of this church. Someone please take off the kid gloves and report on this man.
Obama’s Church has pretty good Praise and Worship.
Tyrone Greene and his Reggae Band!
From the Politico
Wright is a member of Obama’s African American Religious Leadership Committee
Faster, that is hilarious
This “preacher” is as bad as Fred Phelps…in my never-to-be-humble opinion.
This will hurt Obama a lot.
Michelle Obama’s words from a week or two ago, she had not been proud of America until now….. puts a different face on it, doesn’t it?
So Obama attends a schismatic quasi-Unitarian black nationalist mega-church led by a guy who’s in tight with the Nation of Islam. I’m shocked and dismayed.
/sarc
The shyster Rev looks like he could be half white. Does he hate the white half?
Maybe he could take his black half and give it to Obama, so the black actor on SNL could portray him in the Fauxbama skits.
If you have an IQ of about 77, I can see where he would appeal to you.
Rev. Wright has been preaching his racism for decades now. Obama has been a part of that church and supported the pastor. He has remained close to the pastor until recent times.
I dropped from the UCC on Beinhorn 10 years ago because of their open support of homosexuality and abortion. I loved the church. I loved the pastor, I loved the people. But because the views that were espoused in the church at the top of the leadership, it was a place I could not condone my own participation in. If I had chosen to associate myself with them, that would clearly have indicated tacit approval for what their positions.
Obama clearly supported the church and their beliefs. He ONLY distanced himself from it when it was politically inconvenient for him. Obama’s support of a church that for years has blatantly espoused racist, anti white, anti Jew views clearly shows he himself if a racist. Were he not he would have quit them in disgust long ago.
Rev. Wright, said in a 2003 church publication that white America got a wake-up call after 9/11. But Obama says he is proud of Rev. Wright and values their 20-year-long friendship, even if they don’t agree on everything. Wright performed Obama’s marriage and baptized his daughters, is also his close spiritual advisor. Obama’s 2004 keynote speech to the Democratic National Convention was based on a sermon by Wright called “Audacity to Hope,” which also inspired Obama’s book, “The Audacity of Hope.”
In the November-December 2007 issue of Trumpet, their church’s publication, Rev. Wright praised Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as “blue-eyed devils” and Jews as “bloodsuckers.” In the magazine Wright wrote, “He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest…and will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience. His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation’s most powerful critics…and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose.”
Farrakhan’s photo is on the cover of that church magazine, accompanied with the headline: “The Minister truly epitomized greatness.” Wright also presented Farrakhan with a “lifetime achievement” award during a church gala in Chicago for his commitment to truth, education and leadership.
Recently Obama distanced himself from Farrakhan, but not from his pastor or his praise for Farrakhan. For the record, it was Farrakhan who said “They call (Hezbollah) terrorists, I call them freedom fighters. No one asks why they would do such a thing. Why would they do such a thing? What has driven them to this point? That’s what the UN, the U.S. and Europe doesn’t want to deal with because the Zionists have control in England, in Europe, in the United States and around the world. The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years. Hitler was a very great man. He wasn’t great for me as a Black man but he was a great German and he rose Germany up from the ashes of her defeat by the united force of all of Europe and America after the first World War. Now, that nation of Israel, never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under His holy and righteous name. Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET?… Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry and television. And they make us look like we’re the murderers; we look like we’re the gangsters, but we’re punk stuff. This Koran says that the Jews have altered the word of God out of its place. They did not want the masters of the people to know what Jesus really said, what Moses really said, because then you wouldn’t have a yardstick to measure their deviations. The Jews don’t like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that’s a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes.”
Farrakhan also claims to have received revelations directly from God, and conferred with the dead Elijah Muhammed while “on a wheel that you call a UFO,” about secret meetings of Ronald Reagan with his cabinet. Farrakhan’s views are not only anti-Semitic and racist, but his efforts have not been to integrate Black America into mainstream America, have not been to unite — something Obama claims he will do as President of the United States.
Clearly, such views are dangerous to be affiliated with on any level if you’re a candidate running for the President of the United States — the President of all the people of the United States.
Big45 I am eternally grateful for this fine piece you have written. It’s articulate and factual, and you have answered the call to ” take the gloves off”. thanks so much.
Perhaps I am exceedingly naive, (despite my *somewhat* advanced years) but I am very shocked and dismayed that ANY preacher, of ANY denomination, in ANY church in this country would use his pulpit to spew forth the kind of racist, hate-mongering, anti-American views that Rev. Wright is undeniably guilty of “preaching.” What’s more, I find it appalling that not only has Obama been a member of Wright’s church for twenty years but that he has openly stated that Wright is his “spiritual mentor” and has him on his campaign staff. Yet, when cornered by the press and asked what he thinks about Wright’s views Obama simply says, “Well, I don’t agree with them.”
It’s all too sickening. I don’t know if I can take much more of this election coverage when it seems the more I read, the more I know, the more convinced I am that this country is heading down a path of no return. Even worse, the only candidate who will stand-up and say so and offer concrete solutions to the problem is considered a nutcase and a whacko by the majority of voters and pundits. I’m still voting for him though, even if I have to write-in his name on the ballot, because I am 100% convinced that Ron Paul is the only honest, clear-thinking candidate out there.
Wright is an anti-semitic racist gutter rat!
He does provide a positive purpose in illustrating the true face of “liberalism” — an acquired mental illness.
One need only listen to the words of Rev. Wright who is SO wrong on his views of America:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfNEfEBYI Zs
It is also interesting that it’s now coming out that Rev. Wright travelled with Farrakhan for a visit to Khadaffy in Libya in 1984. (NYTimes 2007/04/30)
And we keep learning more about him. Obama served as a paid board director of a nonprofit group that granted funding to an Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a “catastrophe”, and is connected with individuals known for committing or supporting terrorism.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/article/obama-worked-terrorist-expert-says_492428_1.html
Now let’s see what Iz and the other terrorist apologists have to say.
TEX06, I’m sure that at some point the human genome project will prove that liberalism is a congential birth defect…born without logic of common sense genes.
logic OR common sense genes.
#30 BigIron, Thanks for compiling all of this, I’ve read bits and pieces of everything that you said before, but this was over a span of 5-10 years, and you put it all together. When I say 5-10 years, I’m talking about Farrakhan, I didn’t know about the good preacher until a few months ago. I just had a thought; the all knowing news media never mentioned ANY of this did they? Hummm, could it be that they’re biased? NAH, couldn’t happen. Can you imagine what would happen if a “WASP” male was running for President and the PMSCNBCABC Hodge/podge found out that his preacher was spewing racist hate ala KKK type stuff, that they would just pretend it didn’t happen? I don’t think so Tim.
#35 As far as “Izzy-Too”, please don’t confuse him with the FACTS, his mind was made up a long time ago. Ya’know the RP’ers do remind me of the Osama Obama Yo-Momma, bunch.
Dave #38, think of it more like: If a WASP male was running for President, and his close friend and advisor minister buddied up with David Duke to go pay a visit Hitler or Milsovic.
AW, a big part of my heart was in that church I left. I was indeed a very sad experience. The minister who married us was there. We exchanged a few letters on the issue, but that was the end for me. Fortunately we found an excellent church with a minister we really loved. The church was 95% white, and the minister was black. We were his first white church. When the bishop grabbed him away from us for a promotion, there were indeed alot of tears all around. He had been at the church for 10 years.
So Rev. Wright makes the second highly anti-semitic “religious” figure from Chicago. More attention should have been paid to Obama’s religion from te get go. I’m glad its making it out there.
Izzy won’t directly, point by point address this. Any attempt he make at it will simply be filled with twisting, meandering, diversions, and never once address the information provided from credible (if you want to call the NYT credible) sources.
I find this Rev. Wright highly offending our country and moreso offending the non-blacks in America. Since when do liberal blacks think we owe them anything? I know some very good black people who are highly offended by this Rev. and make it difficult for them when they love this country and try to do what is right for everyone. He not only offends us non-blacks but people of his own racial group who don’t think or act like him. Shame on him double-time.
The racial divide in this country will never come together with people like this Rev. spewing his hatred. If he feels this way, he can just leave…no loss to us.
#40 BigIron, That, indeed is a good way to put it,
you’re on a roll my good man.
You can put all this down to a “black” mindset that does not want to integrate. How often have we heard any non caucasian person who adopts a conservative values system being label as somebody who is trying to “act white”.
What the hell does that mean?
If somebody concludes that a lifestyle that includes
decent moral and work ethics
uses proper English
dresses in a style that is not outrageous
tempers their language so it’s fit to hear
opposes abortion
won’t tolerate dishonest/immoral politicians
is generally conservative in their outlook
defends the differing rights of others
then they somehow should feel bad about that just because the pigmentation of their skin happens to have more melanin than their brothers and sisters who are caucasian?
Only a damned fool would think that way. Putting somebody down who exhibits those decent traits, regardless of any race or creed, is a sure sign of a liberal who wants to justify their own miserable failings and drag others down to their level so they won’t carry the emotional stigma of being a low life, regardless of anything else.
HAL? I just stopped by before hitting the sack, my #39 Izzy? edited? I didn’t chose his name, HE DID!
Dang, it’s gotta be BJ not Squawk! I just hope it’s not Matt.
My #48, I’ve alway$ supported you guys since the Comical Biased times, been nice, tried not to be mean, but I’ll have to rethink the whole thing now.
48-49: It wasn’t me…I’ve been working and/or drinking most of the day.
Matt
No, God should not Damn America. I think what the reverand Wright said is stupid and racist. I’m not surprised that BO is distancing himself from him. Why haven’t you commented about Rev Hagee’s statement about the catholic church, and the fact that McCain hasn’t disavowed his characterization?
Izzy
Should God damn America?
Maybe he already has. Now usher in McEmpty suit and everything will be grand.
This is the best they can give us for leadership?
I watched Reverend Racist. It was distrubing to say the least.
Big 45
I’m reticent to respond to you given your unyielding nature when it comes to logical discussion. Call me a fool but I’ll try again.
I think what the Rev Wright said is asinine. I realize that Negro’s had an unlevel playing field up until the 1957 Brown v Board of Education decision, and the 1965 voting rights act. And you may admit that the slavery has long historic tentacles. But the time has passed when people of all colors get a fair shake in our country. They do. Not because it was given to them but because they demanded it.Farrakhan and his cohorts are con men….much like the carneys at the Rodeo. Sometimes, Big, it takes time to teach old dogs new tricks. And so it is with some people. No?
Izzy
Maybe because that’s not a fact.
???
You’ve nailed me, Izzy. I’m an anti-Catholic bigot. Don’t tell anyone, though…I’ve successfully infiltrated the Knights of Columbus and I’m still undercover.
A plant! He’s a plant!