Yup.
Assisted-suicide advocate Jack Kevorkian plans to run for Congress, complicating a Michigan race that is expected to be among the most competitive in the nation.The so-called “Dr. Death,” who was released from prison last year and remains on parole, will run as a candidate with no party affiliation for a congressional seat representing Detroit’s suburbs, an associate said.
Why? This guy has a theory.
Oakland County Prosecutor Dave Gorcyca, whose office was responsible for sending Kevorkian to prison, said it was “probably more of a publicity stunt.”
“To call attention to himself is standard protocol for Jack when he doesn’t have the limelight focused on him. I would not consider his candidacy to be a legitimate one,” said Gorcyca.
Perhaps his campaign slogan should be, “Vote for me, I’ll kill the Congress”. Surefire winner.
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That would get my vote.
Worked for Vince Flynn.
“Term Limits” is a great book.
In order to keep in practice for the upcoming campaign season, I have decided to help Dr. Death with his campaign. So here is my “Top Ten” list of campaign slogans that begin with:
Vote for me,
1) I’ll put Congress out of its misery.
2) There are some there in Congress that need my help.
3) I’m be good at killing things besides legislation.
4) I’m very passionate about my work.
5) I can make it look like a suicide.
6) I’m your “right to choice” candidate.
7) I’ll be independent so I can help both sides.
9) They don’t call me the “Grim Reaper” for nothing.
10) I can put a new twist on “I can KILL any bill”.
These are not copyrighted so Dr. Death can use them if he wants, at no cost to him.
9)
Aw, come one! Would it kill you to vote for Jack Kevorkian?
Actually, I think that what Kevorkian did for people served a purpose.
Always thought folk risked death just getting in that rusty VW van of his with the possibility of tetanus and blood poisoning. Not to mention shaking the hand of Locky Lockjaw.
#4 Agree, it should be legal.
Kevorkian long ago tipped over the edge of sanity.
“Actually, I think that what…
Planned Parenthood
Hitler
Bin Laden
Saddaammmm
Richard Speck
John Gacy
Albert DeSalvo
Moooooselini
Khmer Rouge
OJ Simpson
etc.
did for people served a purpose.” ?
Nice #8.
Gosh I thought I wouldn’t ever hear that stupid name again…I could not be happier if he got himself locked up and the key thrown away. Say I thought that’s what already happened?? Aw well I must have been 6 at the time…
*ducks and hauls rear*
With vast amounts and varieties of information available on the internet, a determined do-it-yourselfer has no need for help from Dr. Death…
(more…)
#4, #6:
Assisted suicide should not be legal because it is ripe for abuse.
Just Curious — I assume that what Jack was in prison for was a felony. Wouldn’t that disqualify him from holding a public office?
People should have the option “legally” to end their life. Example; if I knew in the near future I would not be able to perform the most basic functions of life and it was terminal I would like to have the option to have a doctor give me something that would guarantee my death on MY timetable, and not live in a world where I was so far gone I had no idea who my wife was or when to make a bee line to the bathroom.
#13 in theory, that’s a thought. How about those times we are told we are terminal….. and Dr’s are wrong, or a miracle happens? It’s not our decision to choose time and place. It also takes ” each person is here for a purpose” out of the equation. One person’s purpose may be to teach someone something, or himself, while dieing……nope one has to live it till it’s done.
Reply to No. 14: I think a person should have to go thru a committe of doctors and have it determined that there is no cure in sight. I think it’s more cruel for a person to suffer. A person could have somethng like a DNR or expressed wishes in his/her will to not be kept alive on a machine in a vegative state. I personally wouldn’t want money spent on keeping me alive in a vegative or sufferring stage if that money could be used to find a cure.
A DNR is different than what Kevorkian “helped” with. Both of my great-grandmothers have a DNR, the one is 95 years old and in failing health (her heart I think). She feels she has lived long enough so if something happens she just wants to be made comfortable (if possible). My other granny has alzheimer’s and is no longer capable of much of anything. However I don’t think we would have felt the need to use Dr. Kevorkian’s “services”.
I tend to think things like this should ultimately be a personal decision, with input from one’s faith and family, and do not think it is a proper role of government to interfere, restrict, or regulate what is absolutely a private matter.
When I first learned of my brother in-law’s diagnosis (late stage pancreatic cancer) I was floored. Best case survivability ain’t good, and his is not a good case. Too late for surgery and it’s questionable (actually doubtful) that the chemo will slow the progress of the disease.
But there’s always a chance, and he’s taking it. I can’t say that I’d make the same decision. Six months ago, I’d have said I definitely would not elect to undergo chemo.
Now, I’m not so sure. But again, difficult decisions regarding an individual’s own life should be made by them. Not our government.
I guess everything then should go back to a “will” where a person spells out his or her wishes while they are mentally able to do so. A person with something like Alzheimers cannot express their wishes after the fact and who are we to decide their wishes.
#15 Robert 1, DNRs are part of Directives to Physicians signed by the person him/herself. A DNR in your will does no good because the will does not become effective until you have assumed room temperature, i.e., post mortem.
Anyone wishing to prepare directions covering end-stage medical conditions should consult an attorney for the proper documents and explanations of them when reviewing his/her will. Or do so pronto if the will is as you wish it currently.
Adee offers very good advice. There are do-it-yourself forms on the internet, but to be certain that your directives reflect your wishes, an attorney is required, along with a thorough discussion with your family to ensure that there is no question in their understanding of your decisions.
#8…Barsinister…how ridiculous of a response with regards to my post…respond with intelligence next time, please…
#17…well stated…good luck to your b-inlaw and your whole family…
A good technique to determine if you have a valid position is to replace an operative word and see if the validity remains or if it reduces it to a stupid statement. If you can make the argument for Dr. Jack (they were suffering or old or in the way or using up their kids inheritance) I can make an equal argument validating Richard Speck (the nurses could eventually give a patient the wrong medicine or someone more deserving needed the apartment).
Yours, Gentle Reader, was a stupid statement.
How about, This baby inside the womb, is imperfect. It will be a financial drain to it’s unwed mother. Altho, it cannot speak for itself, like those dieing can, would it choose not to live, knowing the pain it would endure? It seems to me we don’t get it both ways. We cannot fight to protect new life, and applaud ending a full life, early.
#24
Spot on.
There are pros and cons to this argument. I think if you make your wishes know prior to any onset of terminal disability then they should be adhered to by the designated decision maker.
This is nothing new in civilization. American Indians would allow those too old or infirm to end their own lives. Eskimos would let the old be eaten by a polar bear and in doing so believed that the person would return to them in the form of food (bear meat) and warmth from the fur.
I for one would embrace the idea of assisted suicide or self administered should I become dibilitated by accident or disease. Life without quality is not life.
Assuredly, the Death With Dignity crowd is alive and well….and this issue will become more and more prominent as the Boomers cost the government more and more.
Even a cursory review of the relatively recent embrace of human euthanasia in Europe reveals chilling examples of executions for government convenience.
Hastening another’s death through starvation/ dehydration or chemically is simply murder.
# Shannon
By your definition so is capital punishment.
28 luv2hammer
I also oppose capital punishment.
Are you opposed for religious reasons?
30
I was pro capital punishment until about eight years ago.
My initial opposition developed over time with a complete loss of confidence in our judicial system.
Opposition on religious grounds is pretty complex — or it is for me, at least. Still working it out.
Remains to be seen if that will become part of it.
31
I know, I know. A right-winger lunatic opposed to capital punishment?
It is what it is.
:>)
Well I also don’t have confidence in the judicial system either. I arrest too many of the same people over and over. The death penalty is not used enough. I was afraid the Karla Tucker would excape her date with the grim reaper and was glad when Bush let the date with death stand. Some people just need to take that final exit.
Yeah, executing Karla Faye Tucker sure ’nuff helped out the world.
33 l2h
I understand where you are coming from.
We’ll discuss it more, sometime in the future.
Off to sing at Maundy Thursday services.
Later.
Shannon, enjoy the fellowship and the music.
I’m pro death penalty, hope the checks and balances are in place to prevent a wrongful death, and feel some people just flat out deserve to die, and I don’t want to pay for their existance. ( how’s that for a run-on sentence)!
#14. You say it is not our decision to choose a time and place. Seems to me every time a Doctor does something to prolong a persons life they are choosing a time and place, it just not happening at that time but down the road.
I guess it all depends on your view. But in all honesty, one really does not know how they feel about it until they have to make a choice.
I’ve made mine.
#37, I have no problem with people wanting to be removed from life support after no brain activity for a period of time. I do have a huge problem with starving those to death who won’t die.
#34 - Yep, sure stopped her orgasms. (She mentioned she had one when she was whacking away at Mr. Victim with a pick axe.)
It is not for us to choose when to take our own life. It’s not ours in the first place, it was given to us as a gift. There’s a huge difference between not reviving someone when their heart stops or keeping them on complete life support and hastening one’s own death.
That said, if the government has to come down anywhere on the euthanasia issue, it should err on the side of life.
AMEN jimb!!!!!
Yours, Gentle Reader, was a stupid statement.
#23, Barsinister…no your statement was. Oh, you forgot Stalin on your list-o-plenty…
It is not for us to choose when to take our own life. It’s not ours in the first place, it was given to us as a gift.
#40 jimb…that’s religious relativism. Western culture fears death. Many other cultures/religions do not.
42 - Call it what you want. It’s true. It is not for us to choose when to end our own life.
Although I think it is funny that someone is using the term “relativism” against me when they’re actually preaching relativism themselves.
Jimb, don’t take this the wrong way, but your #40 was loaded with relativism. It was also mostly on the mark, imo.
As far as any involvement of government, keep in mind that the same power we give them to err on the side of life can be used to err on the side institutionalized euthanasia. If you want to avoid error, keep government out of it.
As Tigger would say, “Erring is what government does best!”
46 -Truth isn’t relative. Take that statement for what it is worth.
Fact is, government’s going to weigh in because people care about this subject.
Call it what you want. It’s true. It is not for us to choose when to end our own life.
#44 jimb…then whose choice is it? if you are going to answer what I think you will answer, that’s a position on your part based within a religious framework…hence religious relativism
the Kamakazi of WW 2 are a perfect example of religious and cultural influence as opposed to Western thought
I am in favor of capital punishment. And for more than just murder. I am also in favor of the long appeals process to get there. That keeps us from becoming the very thing we seek to destroy, and gives those who might be innocent some time to prove otherwise. No, it’s not perfect. Sometimes we convict the innocent of crimes and send them to prison for 20 years, where they are murdered by other prisoners.
But they had the benefit of trial and have been convicted by a jury. The unborn have no right of appeal. Those in a coma have no right of appeal. A DNR or no extraordinary measures aren’t in the same field. And a tube to give you food and water is NOT an extraordinary measure such as a breathing machine, heart lung, etc is.
With modern drugs, in a hospice environment, there is no need for somebody to go through extreme pain or discomfort with a terminal illness. Pain management has become a real art now. But one thing Pope John Paul II showed us is that you can suffer and still maintain your dignity. I used to favor Kevorkian’s view. But as Shannon pointed out in #27, what is happening in Europe is scary. If that comes to pass here, do you really want this generation of teenagers now deciding you’ve gotten too old and inconvenient, ergo you must be put to death? Several here have pointed out, rightfully so, that life and death are both gifts from God. He’ll come for you in His time, not yours.
And miracles do occur. 25 years ago the opened my sister in law up from her ear to her naval. She had cancer everywhere. They hit her with as much radiation and chemo as they could. 6 months later it was like she never had cancer. She’s alive and well today. My brother says she’s just too mean to die, lol.
I can’t believe some of these comments today about pro assisted suicide./pulling self together
My mama will be 91 years old in May. She has scoliosis, osteoperosis, a deteriating spinal cord, crooked fingers, bad veins, legs, and a hiney load of other problems ta boot.
She depends on us for help, and still catch her trying to do her own laundry, and doesn’t want to be a burden to us. She hurts EVERY freakin’ day and never complains. I can always tell when she is having a really bad day because of the tone of her voice. I’ve seen her nekkid amongst other things and it ain’t a pretty sight. You know what? I don’t mind. She’s been there for me, my whole life.
My mama is soooo appreciative of everything we do, and I know that she really wants to be with daddy, but NEVER gives up and leaves it to God’s will. Heck, I remember being 15 and her bags were always packed for “the end of times is coming”. It scared the crap outa me./She is a religious woman who is an avid reader of the bible.
Everytime we have to take her to the ER, I have to bring a copy of her living will. She has a DNR. She also left the other decisions up to my brother’s and left me out of the say so, because I was always the optimistic kid.
I learned when daddy was so sick and was hanging on and suffering, that it was time to let him go, and told him so. He died within a few hours of me letting him know that it was o.k.
DIGNITY? You want to talk about dignity? My parents have it. They NEVER gave up. I hope and pray that I have 1/2 the strength that my parents have/had. If I have an ache or a pain, I think of my parents who never complained.
Daddy had 6 months to live and lived many years. He had positive attude and good Dr’s. who tried the “not the typical” treatments.
To top it all off, my mama won’t take her pain meds every 4 hours because she thinks that she’s going to become a drud addict.
I’ve learned that if you give up, you will die./sorry for the rant
#49 Big45: Thank you. YUP.
As regards Karla Faye Tucker, I can only give you this:
The thieves who were crucified with Jesus suffered like physical torture with him; but one railed upon Jesus, saying, “If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.”
The other criminal crucified with Jesus heard the words of his companion and rebuked him, saying, “Dost thou not fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this man hath done nothing amiss.” He appealed to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom!”
And Jesus said unto him, “Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in Paradise.”
Jesus did not promise the penitent thief being saved from his punishment, nor did He even say he was being unjustly or over punished. The criminal himself did not even think that. Truly this was a penitent person. Had Karla Faye Tucker dropped her appeals and declared she was getting her just punishment, that I could have understood and believe as somebody completely sorry.
Look at the case of Allen Janecka, Walt Waldhauser and Markham Duff-Smith. Duff-Smith had Janecka kill his adopted mother in 1975, then his half sister, her husband, and their 14 month old child in July of 1979. Janecka and Duff Smith were executed, Waldhauser went to prison and was later released, changed his name and was again convicted of insurance fraud. Duff Smith before he execution said he was getting exactly what he deserved, and “I AM THE LOW SINNER OF SINNERS”: MARKHAM DUFF-SMITH, TEXAS, 6/29/93.
You’re actually going to suggest that since I believe God gave us life that it isn’t for us decide when to end our own life that my train of thought is somehow comparable to Japanese Kamikazes?
And you preach to me about relativism?
That’s not what I said. I’ll put in very simple terms for you ( since in your mind Hilter is on the same level as Kevorkian). You believe in A. I believe in B. Your belief in A does not supercede my belief in B. If you hold it out as such, that’s relativism.
I can’t believe some of these comments today about pro assisted suicide./pulling self together
#50..ST…but that is your mothers choice. To bear the pain and wait for a passing from God. Why should someone in your mother exact situation, who would rather choose death than suffering be prevented from it? Simply because it’s your belief?
54 - LOL - I think you’re confusing me with someone else.
Call it relativism if you want. It becomes a lot clearer if you accept from whence your life came.
By the way, I definitely don’t appreciate the patronizing tone. I’m not equating Hitler with Kevorkian either.
jimb, If you believe that you should not be able to choose your own time to go, it is probably that belief which shapes your behavior, and not any law or interference from the government.
I don’t have a problem with anyone’s faith/beliefs, until they infringe with my freedom to believe differently, and make the choices that I deem best for me.
My believe that you should not be able to choose your own time to go doesn’t interfere with what you believe in any way.
That said, if the government adopts a policy that it is illegal to take your own life or assist others in doing so, that certainly interferes with your “freedom” but I’m going to go out on a limb and say that so does the speed limit. No freedom is absolute, and when you start bandying about questions of euthanasia, you have to worry about mandated “euthanasia” at that point. I’d rather the government go too far in the anti-euthanasia direction.
I can agree that you’re out on a limb, Jim.
People who drive at unsafe speeds directly endanger others. Imo, that more than justifies speed limits.
It is illogical to compare speed limits to government’s interference in personal/family matters.
I’m not supporting “euthanasia” but I do support keeping the government out of my pants, my wallet, and my life, regardless of how righteous the motivation to allow it to do otherwise may feel.
#57…correction about Hiltler and you…it was another poster on this thread, sorry…posts get hard to follow with this type format