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  1. Adee on March 22nd, 2008 at 9:11 am

    Good morning all again. Some of us couldn’t wait and posted on the Friday OC.

  2. american woman on March 22nd, 2008 at 9:12 am

    Good Morning…..Beautiful pic Ree-C. Happy Easter to you and yours.

  3. emmekelley on March 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Mornin all, another day that God has given to us.™

  4. emmekelley on March 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am

    AW great video and burger story. I am ready to go to Moonshine. :)

  5. emmekelley on March 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am

    Adee great wake up story. :)

  6. emmekelley on March 22nd, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Off to work, have a blessed and wonderful day.

  7. Ree-C Murphey on March 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 am

    I just found this wonderful site. It is the
    “Peep Show”
    and is just hilarous! There are 37 diaramas with “peeps” in them. (These are the finalist from 800 entries.) Don’t you wish you would have thought of this for some of those Junior High School diarama assignments?

    Anyway, I found them very amusing. My favorites are “Peep Show”, ‘Nightmare in Pink”, U2 Peep-D”, “Thrilla in Manila” and “The Trouble with Tribbles”.

    American Woman: Right back at ‘ya!!

  8. Dov on March 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 am

    # 7

    Senator Craigs wide stance gets my vote for #1

  9. Adee on March 22nd, 2008 at 10:33 am

    #7, Thank you Ree-C for the Peep Show. Clever people out there. A Blessed Easter to you and yours.

  10. LizBV on March 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 am

    Easter is always a deeply reflective time for me - more so than Christmas. It represents the ultimate painful sacrifice which brings forth the hope for new and joyous beginnings.

    Happy New Beginnings everyone!

  11. vlou on March 22nd, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    He gave His life for us - be thankful each and every day and remember Him always.

  12. Meglet on March 22nd, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Oh my gosh my mom and I laughed so hard over some of those Peeps…the best part was usually the title!!!

  13. american woman on March 22nd, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Tedtam wrote a beautiful piece about Jesus last days,over at Hamous site. It’s a shameless plug, so forgive me, but it’s heart wrenching and something you might enjoy.

  14. malcolm on March 22nd, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    A very blessed and Happy Easter to all of you!
    He is risen…He is risen indeed!

  15. KentBook on March 22nd, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Happy Easter to all at LST–He is Risen!

  16. Dov on March 22nd, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    To all of my Christian friends. Have a very good Easter and spend quality time with your familys.

    In the morning I shall go fetch one of my many exes and we shall do the buffet at Rudi Lechner’s. That means no Luby’s for breakfast. I am gonna pig out at Rudi’s. This is a buffet to die for

    http://www.rudilechners.com/Easter1.html

  17. Adee on March 22nd, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    #16 Dov, your kind Easter wishes are greatly appreciated.

  18. Adee on March 22nd, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    The good folks in the Upper Midwest are having Easter with icicles and snow. Yikes. Low tonight in Madison (southern WI) is barely 20, high tomorrow 34, low tomorrow night about 19. Snow flurries and blowing snow throughout. Global warming, of course. The Bunny needs big earmuffs, mittens, and a coat.

  19. american woman on March 22nd, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Happy Easter Dov and one of the ex’s( hehe). Enjoy tomorrows feast.
    Kiddo has gone to her dad’s and it’s quiet around here.

  20. american woman on March 22nd, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Adee I can remember snow on Easter in Illinois! When I was little, we had Easter coats too.

  21. texpat on March 22nd, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Dov

    Say hi to Rudy for me. I haven’t been there in a long time, but I was a regular customer back in the late seventies and early eighties.

  22. LizBV on March 22nd, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    #20 I remember having to wear an Easter bonnet, white gloves, a ridiculous frilly new dress, lacey socks and Mary Janes when I would have been happier climbing a tree and skinning my knees…

  23. american woman on March 22nd, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Liz do you remember those stupid dress anklets that slid down on your heel? I absolutely hated those socks. I didn’t mind the frily dress if it didn’t have that scratchy crinoline, petty coat stuff.

  24. LizBV on March 22nd, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    #23 I remember those socks! lol… I am scowling in all the old Easter pics cuz it was the only day of the year I was dressed up like a cupcake and couldn’t move, be comfortable or get dirty. And yes, those dresses were scratchy, confining and horrible!

  25. Adee on March 22nd, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    One Easter in late March in the 1960s we went to church in a blizzard in Madison. No Easter finery possible, just winter coats, hats & boots. Walked carefully and drove carefully. My cousin saved a lady from falling when she slipped and grabbed his overcoat sleeve. Luckily we lived only a mile from the church but had several hills to negotiate no matter which route we took. Ah, those were the days that make us so glad to live here.

  26. pimlico on March 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Thanks everyonde for remembering the Passover that transformed into Easter. I’m not a scholar but I find it interesting that the similarities of passover and what we call Easter are too numerous to ignore…………. The Cross is a wooden right angle and so is the top of a door post. The blood of the Passover Lamb was placed on the door frame………………… The blood of Jesus was on the cross……………. Both Jesus and the passover lamb, were male, ‘without spot’ and without broken bones. The adherance to the Passover took the Children of Israel out of Egypt and Bondage and protected them from physical Death… By following Christ, we will be taken out of ‘The World’, Hell and Spiritual Death (separation from God.) On a side note………. Jehovah, in Isaiah ( somewhere) tells Israel that he will remember them because he has them ‘engraven’ on the palms of His hands. May we all accept the love and forgivness offered. HAPPY EASTER.

  27. Dov on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 am

    I have never done this befor yet now

    FIRSTIES. It is officially Easter (Look at the time stamp)and Texpat I will do just that (say Hi to Rudi for you) for on the Easter Buffet he will sit in the lounge as I will be able to do.

  28. Dov on March 23rd, 2008 at 3:30 am

    It is Easter morning and I am not believing what I just read.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/22/pope.muslim.convert.ap/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular

    Will wonders never cease. Our G-d cares for us in special ways.

  29. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 5:53 am

    It is THE DAY!

    Pimlico what you have written is just wonderful. Thank you.

    To dov, and my other Jewish friends,it is a special time for all of us. Passover.

  30. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:01 am

    A heart warming story for Easter. Soldier meets dog in Iraq, and they become buddies. Dog has ears cut by Iraqi’s and is stabbed with a screwdriver but survives. Soldier’s camp moves and dog travels 2 days to find him. Friends and family get the money to bring dog to USA. Dog and soldier reunited.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20080322-0808-nubs.html

  31. texpat on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:25 am

    AW

    While Easter is quite early this year, Passover is very late in the season. This year it falls April 19 through April 27. Last year, in 2007, Passover and Easter landed together in the first week of April.

  32. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 8:01 am

    Well I goofed Texpat, but I know there is a celebration in the Jewish tradition, now. What is it?

  33. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 8:06 am

    ah Purim, well it started with a P, that’s as close as I got. I am ignorant of Jewish celebrations.

  34. Katfish on March 23rd, 2008 at 8:08 am

    May the blessings of the Resurrection follow you all through your days………….

    *HE is RISEN!*

  35. dowjones4k on March 23rd, 2008 at 8:27 am

    another reason not to vote for the least evil.

    A Somali arrives in Minneapolis as a new immigrant to the United States . He
    stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says, “Thank you
    Mr. American for letting me in this country, giving me housing, food stamps,
    free medical care, and free education!” The passerby says, “You are
    mistaken, I am Mexican.”

    The man goes on and encounters another passerby.”
    Thank you for having such a beautiful country here in America !” The person
    says, “I not American, I Vietnamese.”

    The new arrival walks further, and
    the next person he sees he stops, shakes his hand and says, “Thank you for
    the wonderful America !” That person puts up his hand and says, “I am from
    Middle East , I am not American!”

    He finally sees a nice lady and asks, “Are
    you an American?” She says, “No, I am from Africa !” Puzzled, he asks her,
    “Where are all the Americans?” The African lady checks her watch and says
    … “Probably at work.”

    Priceless

  36. Dov on March 23rd, 2008 at 8:30 am

    Texpat

    Today is actually a part of a passover

    I am going to Rudi’s buffet and I ain’t gonna “passover” anything edible (not at Rudi’s). My diet is shot to heck and that leg of lamb sounds good. I’ll mention to Rudi that one of his regulars that moved up north sends his best.

  37. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Dov, enjoy your ” passover”. Eat a plate full for me, although I have never had anything lamb.

  38. Dov on March 23rd, 2008 at 9:27 am

    AW

    I shall. And if you haven’t had lamb, “yer missen” out.

    Now to go out and find those Easter Eggs I hid. I hid 12 and only found 4. Must have been those little ones next door.

  39. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Dov, that reminds me of all the years of Dad hiding eggs, and kiddo and us never being able to find the last one.. ever. It was a hoot! The little ones next door, no doubt…. what fun they must have had.

  40. squawkbox on March 23rd, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Prolly my most favoritous Dolly Parton song.

    Happy Easter y’all

  41. The Dude on March 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 am

    HE is RISEN!

    He is risen indeed.

  42. vlou on March 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Great Easter morning to all people. Try to remember the significance of this important holiday whatever your religious beliefs even atheists/agnostics. Put aside all wordly issues for just a bit and give thanks for all freedoms.

  43. texpat on March 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Yes, Dov, the holiday Purim always takes place one month before Passover. Here is a little summary of the story:

    The story of Purim is told in the Biblical book of Esther. The heroes of the story are Esther, a beautiful young Jewish woman living in Persia, and her cousin Mordecai, who raised her as if she were his daughter. Esther was taken to the house of Ahasuerus, King of Persia, to become part of his harem. King Ahasuerus loved Esther more than his other women and made Esther queen, but the king did not know that Esther was a Jew, because Mordecai told her not to reveal her identity.

    The villain of the story is Haman, an arrogant, egotistical advisor to the king. Haman hated Mordecai because Mordecai refused to bow down to Haman, so Haman plotted to destroy the Jewish people. In a speech that is all too familiar to Jews, Haman told the king, “There is a certain people scattered abroad and dispersed among the peoples in all the provinces of your realm. Their laws are different from those of every other people’s, and they do not observe the king’s laws; therefore it is not befitting the king to tolerate them.” Esther 3:8. The king gave the fate of the Jewish people to Haman, to do as he pleased to them. Haman planned to exterminate all of the Jews.

    Mordecai persuaded Esther to speak to the king on behalf of the Jewish people. This was a dangerous thing for Esther to do, because anyone who came into the king’s presence without being summoned could be put to death, and she had not been summoned. Esther fasted for three days to prepare herself, then went into the king. He welcomed her. Later, she told him of Haman’s plot against her people. The Jewish people were saved, and Haman was hanged on the gallows that had been prepared for Mordecai.

  44. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Thank you Texpat. Now I know.

  45. texpat on March 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 am

    #43 cont’d

    And here are some Purim celebratory traditions:

    The primary commandment related to Purim is to hear the reading of the book of Esther. The book of Esther is commonly known as the Megillah, which means scroll. Although there are five books of Jewish scripture that are properly referred to as megillahs (Esther, Ruth, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, and Lamentations), this is the one people usually mean when they speak of The Megillah. It is customary to boo, hiss, stamp feet and rattle gragers (noisemakers; see illustration) whenever the name of Haman is mentioned in the service. The purpose of this custom is to “blot out the name of Haman.”

    We are also commanded to eat, drink and be merry. According to the Talmud, a person is required to drink until he cannot tell the difference between “cursed be Haman” and “blessed be Mordecai,” though opinions differ as to exactly how drunk that is. A person certainly should not become so drunk that he might violate other commandments or get seriously ill. In addition, recovering alcoholics or others who might suffer serious harm from alcohol are exempt from this obligation.

    In addition, we are commanded to send out gifts of food or drink, and to make gifts to charity. The sending of gifts of food and drink is referred to as shalach manos (lit. sending out portions). Among Ashkenazic Jews, a common treat at this time of year is hamentaschen (lit. Haman’s pockets). These triangular fruit-filled cookies are supposed to represent Haman’s three-cornered hat.

    Hamentaschen are very much like kolaches and I love them.

  46. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 11:05 am

    I just looked up Hamantaschen and they do look delish. I’ve found recipes and may try to make some, or twist Southern Tragedy’s arm. She’s the baker.

  47. Thin Gravy on March 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Vlou, here are some people on whom the significance of this season does not appear to be lost.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=540453&in_page_id=1811

  48. blackgirl on March 23rd, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Happy Easter everyone!

    blackgirl Says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 pm
    texpat I love the Taste of Texas, love the bread and jelly bar. I am going to take you up on that meal soon.

  49. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 11:31 am

    This is my favorite Easter remembrance:

    Every year at Easter my family would pile in the old station wagon to join the extremely large extended family at our grandparent’s home in Bowie, Texas for the festivities - egg hunt, Easter feast, etc.

    One year the weather was abnormally hot and the station wagon broke down on the journey. To pass the time while we waited in the car on the side of the highway as my dad walked or hitch hiked to the next town to retrieve a tow truck (this was before cell phones), my mother allowed my brothers and me to get out our Easter baskets to admire their contents.

    As my mother and I were oogling over my wonderful chocolate Easter Bunny still in its’ box, its’ head slowly began to droop and then fell off with a sickening “SPLAT!” into a melted chocolate puddle.

    We were horrified and then realized the ironic hilarity of the moment and laughed ourselves silly.

    Good times… :)

  50. texpat on March 23rd, 2008 at 11:43 am

    #48 blackgirl

    I have to finish creating the shirt design first and then get them made.

  51. Thin Gravy on March 23rd, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Has everybody seen this? Hope so.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ6cCPbA8jo

  52. luv2hammer on March 23rd, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Not one chocolate Easter egg. Well me and my little friend will just have to go do lunch at the Kemah Seafood place here in Magnolia. Gonna slip in before the church crowds hit.

    Happy Easter Everybody

  53. bob42 on March 23rd, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    In every Easter Sunday service I’ve attended over the years, I’ve always been moved by the musical portions of the celebration. Today was no different, and I’d like to share some of the lyrics we sang today, along with wishes for a very Happy Easter.

    The Flower That Shattered the Stone
    By Joe Henry and John Jarvis

    The earth is our mother just turning around
    With her trees in the forest and roots underground
    Our father above us who’s sigh is the wind
    Paint us a rainbow without any end

    As the river runs freely the mountain does rise
    Let me touch with my fingers and see with my eyes
    In the hearts of the children of pure love still roams
    Like a bright star in heaven that lights our way home
    Like the flower that shattered the stone

    (I prefer the 4-part harmony arrangement, but you can hear John Denver’s more popular version here.

  54. Dov on March 23rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Well. The Miss one of many who asked me to take her to Rudi Lechner’s didn’t answer the phone, didn’t return voice mail and didn’t show up. Now I remember why she isn’t a major player in my life. Gorgeous, body to die for, unreliable, not dependable.

    On the other hand. Rudi was a gracious host. Chicken was fine, roast beef was great, lamb was awesome. And the string bean casserole. Ummm good

  55. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    #53 bob42 - my Easter is complete. It just doesn’t get any better than that.
    #54 Dov - You should have taken AW to lunch! Duh!

  56. Dov on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    55

    Her hubby would not have appreciated that

  57. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    #55 Shhhhh…. don’t tell anyone, but she’s SINGLE!

  58. Dov on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    I remember about 25 years ago my Uncle who had a major retail chain decided he was gonna put on an Easter egg hunt for the entire city of Springfield Mo.

    We took thousands of eggs and boiled and colored them. If the shells cracked than they went in the fridge. Not to the Easter egg hunt. The eggs were numbered to get prizes. The limit was 2 eggs per child to be found. We had mothers coming up with grocery bags full of eggs and if the weren’t winners I watched the mothers crush them on the ground. It was horrific. Smushed eggs everywhere.

    Afterwards we went home and I made the mistake of asking what was for dinner. For 2 weeks we had to get rid of the eggs that had dye in them. I didn’t know there were so may different ways to serve boiled eggs. Sliced, Diced, Deviled, Smashed, Sandwiches, arrgggh.

  59. Dov on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    # 57

    I think I remember her mentioning Hubby a while back. If she is single I missed a good looking woman. But she prolly wouldn’t put up with me anyhows.

  60. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    #59 Dov - Ex-hubby, emphasis on EX.
    Ya never know unless you try! (Now I’m gonna shut up. She’s gonna KILL me…)

  61. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
  62. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Liz, nothing like getting talked about! Dov, I’m single. Liz, you will live another day. hehe

  63. ShinerBlonde on March 23rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    26. pimlico: 


    Thanks everyonde for remembering the Passover that transformed into Easter. I’m not a scholar but I find it interesting that the similarities of passover and what we call Easter are too numerous to ignore.

    As you say, it is interesting to note that the Christian celebration of Easter embodies a number of converging traditions with emphasis on the relation of Easter to the Jewish festival of Passover, or Pesach, from which is derived Pasch, another name used by Europeans for Easter. But both the celebrations of Christians and Jews have many customs and legends that are actually pagan in origin.
    Scholars believe the name Easter is thought to come from the Scandinavian “Ostra” and the Teutonic “Ostern” or “Eastre,” both Goddesses of mythology signifying spring and fertility whose festival was celebrated on the day of the vernal equinox. There was also Anglo-Saxon goddess named “Eostre” and the modern English term Easter developed from the Old English word which referred to her.
    Many religious historians believe that the death and resurrection legends were first associated with Attis, many centuries before the birth of Jesus. Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a fictional consort who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. He was Attis, who was believed to have died and been resurrected each year during the period of March 22 to March 25.
    Some believe the Phrygian legends were woven into stories of Jesus’ life in order to make Christian theology more acceptable to Pagans. Still others suggest that many of the events in Jesus’ life that were recorded in the gospels were lifted from the life of Krishna, of the Hindu Trinity.
    Ancient Christians had an alternative explanation; they claimed that Satan had created counterfeit deities in advance of the coming of Christ in order to confuse humanity. Modern Christians generally disregard the Attis legend altogether and consider Jesus’ death and resurrection account as being true and unrelated to any earlier traditions.
    Whatever the truth of the origins of Easter, it can not be denied that the Pagan traditions associated with the festival still survive in the Easter rabbit ( a symbol of fertility) and in colored easter eggs, which were originally painted with bright colors to represent the sunlight of spring.
    So whether you’re Christian, Jewish, or even Pagan, today is a day to celebrate Springtime and rebirth…new life, new beginnings, and new hope for the future.

  64. luv2hammer on March 23rd, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Back from eating and Kawabonga it’s nap time.

    #54 Dov
    I use to go to Rudi Lechner’s every Easter and Thanksgiving with this friend of mine. The food was really great as was the service. She joined this church the Joel Osteen runs and I lost my running buddy.

  65. ShinerBlonde on March 23rd, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    #61 - Boy, that takes the cake! Comparing Wright to Jesus..what a bunch of hooey!
    I had to laugh at the closing of the article where Rev. Moss Moss

    issued several pleas to congregants to donate to what he called the “Resurrection Fund,” stressing that during this time of battle, money is needed to defend the church. He offered no additional specifics about the fund, telling churchgoers he didn’t want to get into it because Trinity is streaming the service live on the Web and the services are available for purchase on DVD.

    No specifics about the fund, eh? Geez, no surprise there!

  66. luv2hammer on March 23rd, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Oh I went to the Rodeo last night with my neighbor and had a pretty good time. She’s a cowgirl and active in the FFA. The last time I was there the crowd did a “Good Morning America” to open that tv show and the Statler Bros. played.

    The events I enjoy is the bronc riding and bull riding. Oh yeah and the beginning when the good looking girl stands on the horse with an American flag and lopes the horse around the arena while the National Anthem is sung.

    Oh and the winner of the barrel racing is from Woodville,Texas and a real honey.

    Oppps cutting into my nap time. Later

  67. Katfish on March 23rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    #60 - Shammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmme!

    *wags fanger*

  68. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    This Obama/Wright/church thing is making me sick. It encompasses all that is WRONG in the political process and this nation. It’s like, “find the ugliest thing possible to latch onto, magnify it, focus on it and don’t let it go” to prove your point.

    I haven’t come to terms with A LOT of issues on both sides of the isle. This is just one of them.

  69. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Liz, the good thing is, so many have let it go. They have broken away from the hate filled pulpit, and attend church with ” others” . Others is my new classification for people. They aren’t classified by country, or skin color…… they are just population :)

  70. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    LizBV Says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
    This Obama/Wright/church thing is making me sick. It encompasses all that is WRONG in the political process and this nation. It’s like, “find the ugliest thing possible to latch onto, magnify it, focus on it and don’t let it go” to prove your point.

    I haven’t come to terms with A LOT of issues on both sides of the isle. This is just one of them.

    In this case, the ugliest of things was found:

    Institutionalized racism that perpetuates itself by teaching it to children in church.

    Combined with a charlatan who has ascribed to those beleifs and condoned them by the very fact that he voluntarily brings his children to the place to recieve their indoctrination, while at the same time telling all of us that only he can heal us.

    There is no “magnification” here. The information has been available to you and everybody else who viewed this man as an inspirational savior, yet you chose to ignore it until they slapped you right in the face with thier hateful rhetoric. Just a bit of checking on your part and those who have been selling this man would have revealed it.

    That these folks beleive this stuff and are not ashemed of it is abundantly clear. They make money peddling thier racism in their church gift shops and on the internet.

    The problem is that the Left believes in and condones this kind of racism and hatred for the United States. None of us who has been paying attention to these folks for the past 40 years is surprised in the least, and none of us are suddenly “made sick” by it. We were sickend by it long ago, and we’ve been trying to tell people aboutn it for a long, long time all about it.

    But we were made the villains in the story by the people who were committing it so that they could dupe innocents into going along with them beleiveing they were engaging in a fight of good against evil.

  71. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    At the very least, Barack Obama is an idiot.

    Contrast the report of the sermon above to this:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Obama_This_is_not_a_crackpot_church.html

    OBAMA: I will be honest with you that I didn’t have that many conversations with him over the last year just because I have been so busy. I haven’t been going to church. I wasn’t hearing a lot of these comments. The ones that are most offensive are ones that I never knew about until they were reported on. I had had conversations with him in the past – in fact from the day I first met him — about some of his views. Understand this, something else that has not been reported on enough is despite these very offensive views, this guy has built one of the finest churches in Chicago. This is not a crackpot church. Witness the fact that Bill Clinton invited him to the White House when he was having his personal crises. This is a pillar of the community and if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church. … So I don’t want to suggest that somehow, the loops you have been seeing typifies the services all the time. That is the danger of the YouTube era. It doesn’t excuse what he said. But it gives it some perspective.

    any other church that condones the racism of it’s former pastor and likens him to Jesus when the rest of us rightfully point it out as repugnant, that is.

    Just who does Obama think he’s kidding here?

  72. Dov on March 23rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    L2

    Some of these people don’t know what they are missing if the haven’t been to Rudi L’s. I have never done it on Turkey Day but Easter is fantabulous.

    AW

    If I’da known you were single I’d have invited you.

  73. Thin Gravy on March 23rd, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    LizBV, I agree. To go on harping about this shows tremendous shallowness of thought. There are issues in this election that need to be discussed without the drumbeat of a rehash by people who cannot see that the majority of voters of both parties are ready to move on.

  74. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    #68

    “find the ugliest thing possible to latch onto, magnify it, focus on it and don’t let it go” to prove your point.

    BOTH sides are doing it. Hillary is using it to further her own campaign. McCain is sitting back, watching and waiting like a happy Chelshire cat while Hillary/Obama scrap it out, weakening the party until one falls from the nest.

  75. american woman on March 23rd, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    #72 Thanks you Dov, I’ve never been to Rudy Lechner’s. Kiddo is home this weekend, so I have been doing mom things.

  76. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    BOTH sides are doing it. Hillary is using it to further her own campaign. McCain is sitting back, watching and waiting like a happy Chelshire cat while Hillary/Obama scrap it out, weakening the party until one falls from the nest.

    That’s the way of it with the Democrat Party. Want to know why we’re not getting the Republicans we want?

    Look at what the Democrats have to offer and how they go about offering it up to us. They hide the true beleifs of the ones they know American voters won’t accept if they were aware of these beliefs, then accuse us of failings of morality or intelligence when we find out about them and speak out.

    They have a Party that’s controlled by bosses and big wigs to the point where the normal voter really dosen’t have the final say, then tell us they are for the little guy and republicans are not. They require loyalty oaths to their party, then tell us that Republicans are mind numbed robots. They take away votes for for violation of Party rules–and then claim it’s Republicans who don’t want every vote to count.

    Then, they resort to blackmail to get a flawed candidate nominated, and the other is a crook.

    Look at the way these folks run thier elections, then try to convince me they won’t run the government the same way.

    They have been pitting people against each other for so many years, it’s all they know how to do anymore.

    There was never any “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Just a lot of divisive rhetoric because they have nothing the American people really want.

  77. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    #76

    Want to know why we’re not getting the Republicans we want?

    Precisely what in your explanation answered THAT?

  78. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Read it again, and tell me why you think Deomcrats are worht voting for?

    whjat do they have to offer other than saying Republicans are bad and hiding the true beliefs of thier candidates.

    Do you really approve of the Democrat Primary system?

    Do you really bleive that the Democrats designed it to allow the voice of thier voters to be heard?

  79. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    #78 You still haven’t explained why I should vote FOR anyone. All you’ve done is present an arguement why I should vote against someone.

  80. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    In essence it’s this:

    Democrats have made it so that Republicans don’t have to try very hard to beat them.

    When you’ve got one candidate who has to not only hide who he is, but pretend to be somebody enitirely different, and another who is a crook, it isn;t hard to put up a candidate who is miles better in compariosn.

    Rhen add to that the viciousness of the attacks on both sides and the utter mess of a primary system that echoes the weay they run government.

    All they do is inflame people so that they will raise thier voices against thier oppionents, while at the same time making sure that thos same people never get a chance to actuall make any decisions, as long as they prpmise them some saviour with feet of clay.

    They have no solutions. Only the promise of more conflict as that’s the only way they get elected.

  81. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    How many times in the past 4 years have Republicans and conservatives been protrayed as religious fanatics trying to impose thier will on people?

    How many times have people come onto this forum to portray us as bigots and racists?

  82. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    LizBV Says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 5:48 pm
    #78 You still haven’t explained why I should vote FOR anyone. All you’ve done is present an arguement why I should vote against someone.

    It’s been explained to you over and over.

    Now, you tell us why you voted for Obama.

  83. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    And who was it who intimated that Joh McCain was a PTSD produced rage maniac who couldn’t be trusted with the reins of power?

    all we needed to do was to look at his body language, right?

  84. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    #82 Iraq

  85. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    #83 And I still don’t trust him as CIC. That’s my perception and free right, as it is with all Americans.

  86. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    And just how much of what you were told about Iraq or came to beleive, stuff you have repeated here, turned out not to be true?

  87. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    #86 It is still true.

  88. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Here’s one:

    “Johe McCain said he wants to fight in Iraq for 100 years.”

    That is not only a lie, John McCain actually said pretty much exactly what Barack Obama’s Military Advisor, General Tony McPeak, said 4 years ago:

    http://www.poor-attitude.org/mt/archives/000074.html

    Is Iraq the last country we confront in the Middle East?

    Who wants to volunteer to get cross-ways with us? We’ll be there a century, hopefully. If it works right.

    I’ll tell you one thing we should not hope for (is) a democratic Iraq. When I hear the president talking about democracy, the last thing we should want is an election in Iraq. We’re not very popular. So I don’t think we’ll see any open elections in Iraq for a long time.

    Hopefully over time they can be brought along like Japan and Germany — Japan and Germany were relatively easy, I think, and South Korea.

    Or how about

    “It took George bush 4 years and 300 dead Americans before he admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.”

    Or maybe:

    “Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction.”

    Or maybe:

    “The Surge will never work.”

    Or perhaps:

    “Bush outed Valerie Plame because her husband disagreed with him on the war. The Scooter Libby trial will expose the real reasons we went to war.”

  89. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Any of that true, Liz?

  90. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    How about this one:

    “Barack Obama had no idea the kinds of things his pastor and his church bleived until he was told about it.”

  91. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    #88 The American people are not stupid. Iraq was the pivotal issue in 2006. The economy is looming dark and large now and that will be the crucial issue in 2008, with our involvement in The Middle East a close 2nd, but they are tied together and affect each other.

    As always, watch and see and then try to spin it…

  92. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    One of my favorites was this one:

    “This so called “Surge” is just an escalation of the war to intimidate the Iranians. It’s really a cover up for starting a war with Iran.”

  93. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    So–

    How will the Democrats solve the problems in the economy?

  94. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    And I;d say that in 2006, a lot of those lies I listed above were beleived by a lot of people.

    They are still lies, no matter how you “spin” them.

  95. pimlico on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    One more comment about Easter/Passover. It is apparently believed by some scholars that Good Friday may have actually been on Thursday. The reason given is that if Passover happpened to land on the thursday that year, it would have constituted a ‘double’ Sabbath. That would be two Holy days in a row. The Laws of the Sabbath would hold for both days. If it did happen like that, the statements about Christ’s body being in the tomb for three days would be more accurate. They had to hurry to get the body in the tomb because of the Holy day(s). If Thursday WAS the day, then there would be a full day Friday (Thursday evening to Friday evening) and a full day Saturday. Therefore Jesus’s rising on Sunday early Morning would be right in the middle of the day. That would put the last Supper on Wednesday evening………………The other thing that is interesting, is the Name Gethsemene means the place of the press. (Olive press) In Isaiah 53, the description of the Atoning Messiah covers much more than we have recorded in the New Testament. The bearing, not only of our Sins, but also our infirmities. Presumably, also bearing our depressions our guilt etc. The part that states that ‘He poured out His WHOLE SOUL unto Death’ indicates a suffering far beyond even Crucifxion. The drops of Blood mentioned in relation to Gethsemene, seem to me to suggest the taking upon Himself of our Sins that night. The Pure Son of God was ‘Pressed’ in order to extract the pure drops of blood. He suffered Phyically, Spiritually, Mentally and Psycologically. Only God could do that. Thanks for being fellow believers in God.

  96. Simple Simon on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Sarge,

    Are you familar with the saying “Coals to Newcastle”?

    Simple

  97. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Sarge, I’m sorry. I really am. But there is unrest in the masses and Republicans have not produced a strong enough candidate to calm them.

    Saying, “vote for the less evil” doesn’t work w/ anyone w/ half a brain. They are looking for someone or something to vote FOR. And they’ll either not vote at all or take whatever candidate best represents their views on the issues they care most about.

  98. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    I’m just going to make my decison based on who has lied to me the most.

    The Republican Canmdidate is one with whom I have disagreements. I know I disagree with him because he’s told me what he thinks and why. he hans’t tried to hide one. dam. thing. from me.

    On the other side, we have a group of people who think that they are so morally right that it’s OK for them to tell lie after lie, make slander after slander in order to convince people to go along with them.

  99. Simple Simon on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Sarge,

    I really suspect that most of the posters on this blog will vote for John McCain in November, although some may injure themselves holding their noses in the process.

    Isn’t your sales pitch for McCain rather wasted here? I would think that the “Daily Kos” would have a lot more prospective folks that could be turned for the election in the fall.

    The numbers of folks who will not vote for McCain (despite what they say now) has got to be pretty small here.

    Simple

  100. pimlico on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Dear Shinerblonde. Most Scriptural accounts have stories that appear to predate them. I for one am convinced that one of two things went on in relation to them. First if you read the account of the fall of Man in our Bibles, you see that one of the next things happening was the use of the Sacrifice by Cain and Abel. Sacrifice prefiguring the Great and Last Sacrifice of the Messiah, to free us all from that fall. Sacrifices have have come down from the beginning and predate the Law of Moses. Abraham made sacrfices and was tested to see if he would sacrifice his only begotten Son. Paul also States that Abraham had The Gospel. So my contention is that as soon as the fall happened, that the Saviour’s/Messiah’s role was put into effect. That means that people (At least Some people) knew of these events before they happpened. Those stories came through the Nations; and because of the social entrpy ( sometimes called apostacy) they were changed and altered. I agree with you that many times in History, that belief systems collided and were intertwined.

  101. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    LizBV Says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 6:34 pm
    Sarge, I’m sorry. I really am. But there is unrest in the masses and Republicans have not produced a strong enough candidate to calm them.

    Saying, “vote for the less evil” doesn’t work w/ anyone w/ half a brain. They are looking for someone or something to vote FOR. And they’ll either not vote at all or take whatever candidate best represents their views on the issues they care most about.

    So,

    In other words,

    The gu who didn;t notice what his pastor was saying for 20 years and the lady who is a crook and a door mat for her husband are the better choices.

    Why should we vote for either one of them?

  102. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Simple;

    I just want to know what it is about a party that will get people to ignore the lies and vote for them anyway.

  103. Thin Gravy on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Sargevining, Then why don’t you do as Simple Simon suggests and find a place where those people are blogging?

  104. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    #100 I don’t know - it’s all up in the air and will have to wait and see how things progress. However, I DO know you nor anyone else will convince me one way or another and I have to make that choice for myself - as we all do.

    I don’t come here to be lectured to and told who to vote for. I come here to watch, listen, laugh, share and learn.

  105. sargevining on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Gravy;

    They blog here.

    I want to know what it is about this Obama guy that makes people ignore the rather obvious and self serving lie he’s trying to peddle to us.

    After all—we’re voting FOR something, not AGAINST it right?

    Voting against something is, I;m told around here, bad.

    So the folks ignoring Obama’s lie must really think that he’s giving the something to vote FR.

    I want to know what it is.

  106. Simple Simon on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Sarge and Liz,

    We have had 2 score ++ of Presidents and by the looks of it many of them were a long way from perfect and more than a few achieved a nearly complete state of mediocrity.

    Examples:

    Mental Illness:
    FDR … suffered from bouts of depression that kept him bed bound during his second term.

    Lincoln … suffered from bouts of depression and was married to a certified insane woman.

    Eisenhower … cheated on Mamie during WWII with Kate Summersby

    JFK … cheated with entire zip codes. Bill Clinton could not come close to JFK in this regard.

    U.S. Grant … Had a great foreign policy but arguably one of the most corrupt Presidencies on record. Grant’s own brother (just like Carter’s) was caught with hand in the till.

    Jimmy Carter … not enough room to list all the shortcomings.

    Lyndon Johnson … just as crooked as the Kingfish, but a whole lot slicker.

    If you ask me….the current three candidates measure up (or down if you prefer) to the worst of some of the past Presidents. The republic still survived.

    Simple

  107. Thin Gravy on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    There are Obama supporters blogging here? How many, who?

  108. Simple Simon on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    104, Sarge

    Seems to me that you should be posing that question to the folks over at the “Daily Kos”. I still believe most of the folks on this blog will end up voting for McCain in the fall.

    It also seems that letting those who did not support McCain in the primaries a chance to vent their spleens is a good thing. They will come over in the end, but taunting them (however well intentioned) will serve no good and may end up driving them away from the polls.

    The election will be won or lost in the middle. REMEMBER THIS. I believe the election will be close and may once again end up in the electoral college. Politics is a sales job and one must always focus on the prosepective voter and look to “what is in it for them”. How will they gain by voting for “so and so”. Pocketbook issues will be important this year and a weak point for Republicans at this time.

    This is the time to be charming and reserved and not the time to act like Rush Blimpbase or Anemic-Ann Coulter. One will catch more flies with honey and nearly none with vinegar.

    Simple

  109. LizBV on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    #105 :) Thanks for the hope.

  110. Simple Simon on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    108 Liz,

    There are more…

    Millard Fillmore … the name says it all

    Warren G. Harding … second to Grant in corruption (Republican)

    Simple

  111. Thin Gravy on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Sargevining, I believe if you were to study American History more closely you would be aware that this nation has survived many flawed leaders.

  112. squawkbox on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    And there are some here that believe the only way you should hold your elected officials feet to the fire is vote for them and never demand better from them.

    And remember folks

    Republican = good
    Democrat = bad

    That is all you need to know.

  113. squawkbox on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    A Republican on his worst day is always better than a Democrat on St. Pattys day or something like that.

  114. Simple Simon on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Mr Seagull,

    I actually believe a little revolution is a good thing. Voting out non-responsive incumbents is a also a good thing, especially when they go unchallanged in their respective party’s primary.

    I do believe we are going thru a period where the definition of each party is getting murky. This is more true for the Republicans today, but I suspect after this election there will be some shape-shifting going on at the DNC.

    Simple

    ps Erin go braugh

  115. Simple Simon on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Whoops…Erin go bragh

    Simple

  116. luv2hammer on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Squawk

    I wont vote for McCain. Oh he gonna win I assure you, but when he grants Amnesty and fails to secure the border I will at least be able to say I did not vote for him.

    Sarge

    I was the one who said McCain suffers from PTSD. He was a POW and tortured for 5 1/2 years. Nuff said.

  117. squawkbox on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Simple
    There is going to be blood letting on both sides.

    I agree the Rhinublican party might be in deeper doo-doo than the Democrats.

    Twenty-nine House Republicans have said in the past year they will not run for re-election, have decided to seek another office or have simply quit midterm.

    Only seven seats are being given up by the Democrats, who see the opportunity to fatten their majority in the House — and the Senate.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004296248_gopwoes21.html

    I’ve been watching this for quite some time now and there are rumblings that more Rhinublicans are planning their departure in the coming months.

    Mr. Seagull

  118. squawkbox on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:59 pm