Baytown police are investigating the death today of a full-term baby whose 14-year-old mother allegedly tried to flush her infant down the toilet at Baytown’s Cedar Bayou Junior High School.
The unidentified girl, a student at the school, had gone to the restroom where the baby was born, according to Lt. Eric Freed.
“The child cried, and then the mother tried to flush the baby down the toilet,” he said.
Baytown’s Goose Creek school offiicals are at the scene.
Another student was in the bathroom and tried to help the pregnant teen, an official at the school said. The student left the bathroom and reported the situation to a school nurse. The nurse and an assistant principal rushed to the bathroom.
Forget the notion of a scared kid who didn’t know what to do; this was a murder for the sake of convenience. When public policy bends over backwards to accommodate mothers of unwanted children like this, incidents like this are even more unforgivable.
Throw the book at her.
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While they are handing out condoms, and teaching sex ed, maybe they need to talk law. Perhaps after the video of how to have sex, they can talk about jail.
I am so angry, I am not finished. Do we have any idea how many barren couples pay all of their savings to conceive, then adopt? This baby would have been so loved……
I read that no charges will be filed for the teen who abandoned the fetus on the Continental Flight.
The “baby” was stillborn but I think they need to punish these adults (if they have enough knowledge about having sex they are responsibly). They think they can just throw away the responsibility and difficulties that may come.
Matt,
It’s horrible to be sure, but I never met a 14 year-old who would know how to handle anything like this. The child was terrified and did something incredibly stupid. She’ll pay for it to be sure, but we have no idea what her life is like. What good will ruining two lives accomplish? Maybe with some guidance and a second chance, she can make something of herself. Without that, she will be just another unrepentant inmate.
#4 At 14 I knew what murder was. At 14 I knew if I had sex and got pregnant, my dad would murder me. It’s simple. There are consequences for actions. Urges be damned.
I am expecting my first born any day now, and this just tears me up inside. I couldn’t imagine just throwing away my baby after I spent months in expectation and feeling her kick my wife. How can anyone do something like this? There are other options! Take the baby to a fire station or ER, dangit.
The child was term. The child was born alive. The child cried. The child was murdered in cold blood by drowning.
A 14-year-old has the use of reason; she should know right from wrong. If she does not and is that mentally disabled she should not be in a regular school. And she should not be consorting with boys. Where is/are the parent(s)? How can family and friends not know of the pregnancy?
Her actions have consequences from which she should not be absolved. Period
At 14 I was baby sitting new borns. At 14 I’d helped mom change my younger siblings diapers. At 14 I could heat a bottle, wrap a baby, and knew about things like removing all blankets from cribs. There is no way she wasn’t cognizant … I just can not imagine. At 14, I had limited interest in boys. I had not kissed, held hands, or anything other than possibly punching a boy in the arm. How did she end up having sex?
May God have mercy on her soul. And may the babe be safely away in heaven, an angel to watch over us all.
How is it possible for these kids to be pregnant and no one know about it? If someone does know about it, how can these kids reach their due dates on an airplane or at school?
Very very sad.
#9 I’m no doctor Dav, but Dr’s tell pregnant women not to fly after so many weeks. Perhaps flying induces labor?
She needs to be certified to stand trial as an adult. Like AW said there were couples out in the world that would have given that child a wonderful home. My last child was adopted and she was really special to me. I’m not to pleased with her adult decisions however she’s an adult and makes her own mind up.
Maltboy, how can I get you to agree that this girl should be prosecuted?
Hmm…okay, let’s pretend she was photographed by a red-light camera…
StaceyE, very well put…
Amen to that!
This is what happens when liberalism gets a hold of a society.
This is directly traceable to the actions of the vile liberal media, and far-left democrats like Hussein Obama. Remember, Hussein Obama said the other day that a baby is “punishment.” Perhaps this 14-year-old heard that….
I can hardly hold back the tears for this child that never had a chance at life and living. I’m positive in my own mind that God did not put us on this earth to do such horrific things to each other as we see happening like this and worse every day.
Stacy #8 - Very well said. Amen.
Maltboy #4 - Please get a grip. Don’t make excuses for someone’s personal behavior and for them not knowing the difference between right and wrong. There’s too many people using that excuse everyday. People have to start taking responsibility for their own actions.
/Remainder of comments are SELF DELETED.
People get mad at me because I’m torn on the abortion issue.
On one hand, I feel it’s wrong, and destroying our society.
On the other, if HER parents had decided to abort, they wouldn’t be such failures as parents, and like mercury in the food chain, that failure wouldn’t have compounded each generation until you get a baby-flusher.
/time to SELF DELETE some myself
Oh, dear God,
What have we done?
When lives are considered so cheaply?
Please, dear Lord,
Restore what is gone,
Your love for us, no longer felt so deeply.
Gently guide us
In your way,
And bring us back to your love!
Teach us again,
Change our feet of clay,
That we may share your home above!
Slash: Please don’t blame her parents for her actions because they supposed didn’t teach her right from wrong. That’s my point exactly. We all have a conscience whether we want to accept/ believe that or not.
Could the same be said for the parents of murderers, thieves, rapists, etc. Where do you draw the line? There is NO WAY for parents to know how their child is going to turn out at birth. Parents can only have so much influence. When the kids are out by themselves, they HAVE TO accept responsibility for their own actions. There’s NO ONE else to blame because no one else committed the deed.
Did Macdonalds spill hot coffee in that ladies lap knowing that they were going to get sued for big $$$? Of course not. She was totally responsible for her actions. People know that when they order hot coffee, it’s going to be hot! She was looking to get something for nothing and she got it. Thanks to the folks on the jury who said; ” poor,poor lady! It’s not your fault.” They were just as wrong as she was.
/I quit. Too frustrating.
Now that I’ve had some time to reflect, who is the father and how old is he? Does this dreadful situation involve statutory rape?
Same question goes for the stillborn baby on the plane, who is the sperm donor and how old is he?
Who’s the other half of the tragic tango?
Things are upside down. I wonder if that same girl could drown a kitten. Remember this baby was alive. This was an immoral act. NO sympathy. I don’t care if her parents beat her daily. I don’t care if she was raped by her dad. There were solutions to her problem. She chose to drown her baby.
Liberals do not suffer from shame. They only suffer anger at being caught.
Liberals do not suffer from low self esteem because for them life has no consequences.
Liberals do not suffer from guilt because for them life has no responsibility.
But the screams of 34 million plus dead babies in the last 35 years will great them on their judgment day.
It is a very short step from abortion to euthanasia of the mentally ill, elderly, or physically impaired.
As much as I’d like to say we should bring back the chair, the reality is that there are deep problems with society that lead to events like that. While I’d like to see her fry good and hot, the real effort needs to be put into undoing the problems that got us to this point.
Mr. Weather,
It’s been awhile. Good to see you.
And good points made.
BigIron you embody what I detest about conservatives and are why I could never identify myself as one. Have you ever thought that maybe liberals are good and decent people who just have a different political philosophy than you?
gadboy, sorry, anybody that endorse ripping babies apart in the womb or sticking a rod in their head when they are partially born and sucking their brains out does not qualify for “good and decent people who just have a different political philosophy”. I can only view it as evil beyond compare. 34 million dead babies. I don’t square that with anything decent and good. You can give half your money to charity, walk old ladies across the street, donate a kidney, and stop a rape in progress 364 days a year. If only one day a year you rob a bank, you are still a bank robber.
People are supposed to do kind and decent things in a good society. You are not supposed to perform or endorse unspeakable, barbaric murder on innocent babies.
This is why I don’t debate the abortion issue. It brings out strong emotions on both sides. When anyone brings it up, I change the subject. I need to deal with issues that are important to me.
Gaddy: You’re a day late with your “liberals are good and decent people” joke. Until libs join the civilized world and denounce abortion for what it is, I’m afraid I’ll have to agree with Big45.
#22…the source of the problem is simple…it’s called MTV, Oprah, Jerry Springer, E!, hip-hop, internet porn, law suits, ‘free expression’, no rules, etc…etc…etc…
there is no end in sight
#16 I know how you feel about being torn on the abortion issue, but I can’t help wonder this question:
Which is worse, an abortion or flushing a live baby down the toilet??????
PS I am sure all you good people will tell me what the answer is!
Um, they’re equally heinous?
Gadboy,
I know there are many good liberals. A good number of my family misguidingly votes Democratic every election cycle, not knowing the evil of their party’s leadership and the duplicity by which they use to deceive their constiguents.
They are blind, but still good people.
However, there is a segment that makes excuses for the most heinous acts ever committed. These people are evil, pure and simple. There is no excuse for murdering a baby. None.
Yet, it was a liberal that gave us “what good will ruining two lives accomplish?”
That’s sick. That’s immoral. That’s evil.
What good will be accomplished by throwing the book at this murderess? Here’s a list:
1) We remove the diseased scum from society so that she never has the chance to commit murder again.
2) We send a messsge that murdering babies is horrible and evil.
3) We get justice for the innocent life who’s cry for her mother was met with the bitterness and rage that could snuff out the life of a child only minutes old.
4) We remember the victim, a tiny, defenseless child who never got to know love because the child’s mother was a monster.
How about you try to get all the facts before you lynch this girl? After all, isn’t that the rational/Christian/American/constitutional thing to do? Or do you subscribe to the notion that we should kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out? Sheesh.
What would you want done if this was your kid? And please don’t give me the line “that would never happen to my kid”. What if it did? What would you want done to your daughter?
Here’s an idea: Give her one, and only one, chance to redeem her life. Make her undergo counseling, do community service, and get an education as conditions of her freedom. One tiny screw up and she’s jailed. Period. Then maybe, just maybe, she can become a productive citizen – then we won’t be responsible for destroying a life too.
Forgiveness and human redemption are not necessarily liberal ideas. If I recall correctly, they nailed a guy to a cross a while back who also believed in them.
Maltboy, I missed the part where Jesus murdered a baby or committed any crime at all. PUH LEEZE, don’t compare Jesus to a teen that murders an innocent newborn baby. Remember the two thieves on the crosses on either side of Jesus? One mocked him saying why doesn’t He save Himself. The other rebuked the him saying they were getting what they deserved, and he asked Jesus to remember him. Jesus did NOT offer to get them out of their earthly punishment. He only told the criminal who asked to be remembered that he would be in paradise with Jesus that day.
We have a system of standards and punishments. You commit the crime, you get the punishment. She can find her salvation while doing her punishment.
Big,
Please read my post again and show me where I was comparing her to Jesus. I was merely pointing out the irony that exists because so-called Christians want to hang a child, while simultaneously subscribing to a religion that preaches forgiveness, mercy, and redemption. Apparently the logical reconciliation of these two extremes requires a level of understanding achievable only by those of a higher level of spirituality than myself.
What would Jesus have wanted for this child after she had killed her newborn? Compare that to what you want for her.
Got Christianity?
35 - I don’t know anywhere near enough about this case to from much of an opinion on what should happen to the girl. The whole situation is sad, sad, sad.
“Throw the book at her” isn’t a call to hang her. I don’t know if I’d go that far knowing the very little I do about the case, but let’s be real about what was actually said here.
That said, it is NOT OK for this girl to do what we know that she did. I don’t know what led up to this sad situation, I don’t know her motivation, and I don’t know what her ultimate consequence should be.
However, Jesus (or even you or I) offering forgiveness doesn’t spare her from the lawful (or natural) consequences of her actions. I’ll leave that up to the people who are investigating the case to get to what really happened.
jimb - A fair and rational comment. Thank you.
Maltboy…can we hang the parents instead?
BigIron, I was thinking of the exact same passage.
We also have to remember that this isn’t just a scared little girl anymore. Now she’s someone who has killed out of convenience. Was she scared and desperate? Yeah, she probably was.
But fundamentally, this is a case where someone murdered an innocent human being because calling 911 would have caused too much trouble.
I don’t want someone like that it my society. Frankly, this girl scares the crap out of me, because she has shown that she is willing to violate the most basic laws when cornered.
Rent’s due? Rob a liquor store. Cop’s trying to pull you over? Floor it. Don’t want to deal with a baby? Flush it. All these crimes represent a basic criminal mindset: I must achieve my short-term needs right now, regardless of laws, morality or consequences.
I recommend we make Maltboy’s home a halfway house and let him deal with it.
39 - Not knowing the whole story, I would say that this girl may yet be redeemed. Or she may be a lost cause. I don’t know for sure.
I do think that judgement on the matter should be reserved until more facts are available. What if she was raped? What if her father is the father of the child? That doesn’t excuse drowning the poor child, but it would set the entire situation in a different light.
And there’s probably a really good chance, in any case, that more than one person in her family needs to be hit upside the head.
In the end, if this girl can be redeemed from the very mindset you describe:
NOW is the time to do it.
Killing a baby, holding it under water to drown it when it is minutes old, is “one tiny screw up”?
Just when I think you can’t say anything worse Maltboy, you do.
A BABY WHO WASN’T EVEN ALIVE FOR 5 MINUTES WAS HELD UNDER WATER AND DROWNED BEFORE BEING FLUSHED AS IF THE POOR THING WAS EXCREMENT!
Yeah, I’m hacked off!
And then you come in with your holier than thou attitude, calling me a bad Christian, while calling what is clear to be wholesale murder of a complete innocent “one tiny screw up”?
I told gadboy that there is an evil element to the liberal party. You have just proven that are a part of it, Maltboy. The murder of a newborn baby is not “one tiny screw up”.
42 - I don’t agree with everything that Maltboy said above, particularly about bandying about the “bad Christian” label.
That said, you should really try reading what he actually wrote before you label him.
He wasn’t saying that drowning the baby was a “tiny screw up”. He was saying that she should be given a chance to redeem her life, and “one tiny screw up” would land her in jail.
jimb - That’s exactly right. Give her one chance. She can possibly be redeemed now, but if she goes to TDC she’s lost forever. Unfortunately, some folks who post here choose to twist and misinterpret my words, which is understandable considering their vision is so clouded with hate towards those less “spiritual” than themselves.
Basara – All I did was compare the lack of compassion being held out for this child to fundamental Christian philosophy. I never said anybody was a bad Christian. You came to that conclusion all by yourself.
carbon-credit - Her parents should certainly be investigated for mistreatment of her and any of her siblings, and prosecuted accordingly.
She’s already had two chances. First to change her life after she got pregnant - she had 9 months. Then she had a chance not to kill the baby. Sorry, I’m all out of cheeks to turn.
#45 - Does anybody even know HOW she got pregnant yet? Sort of hard to say what should happen to her without knowing if the pregnancy was the product of rape/incest/etc.
I apologize Maltboy. I misread your post. It seemed you were equating the murder of babies as small, tiny mistakes.
You weren’t. I lost my head over it.
May I suggest you refrain from accusations of lynching in the future? I don’t see rope or a tall oak tree anywhere in the forums. A comment like that is usually only used to stoke anger.
I disagree with you if she actually did murder the baby. The reason does not matter. If she murdered the baby, she should pay the penalty. Period. End of story.
After all, Jesus did preach that we should obey the laws of man. It isn’t bad Christianity to believe she should be punished for murder, which jimb correctly identified by the term “Throw the book at her”.
Heck, by our laws, she probably won’t even go to jail, but to juvenile detention. There’s her second chance. Wouldn’t you agree that four years in juve is an extremely small price to pay for snuffing the life of an innocent?
One more thing, if it was my own child, I’d feel the same. Let me explain from a child’s point of view:
My dad taught me to face the consequences of my actions. He’d see in court if I did this crime. He’d also eventually forgive me. But he would still insist that I serve the full term of my punishment. You see, he taught me that forgiveness does not I am not punished.
This is where a lot of liberals get the concept of forgiveness wrong. Forgiveness does not mean the absence of punishment. You can forgive a child who breaks a vase the very minute they do it, but the child still has to be punished for his actions.
The same is true here. If she did commit murder, she should get the maximum sentence. It’s that bad a crime.
The Chron is reporting that the father is also a 14-year-old, and the cops are talking to him.