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13 Responses to “Obama and taxes: An unchanged liberal agenda”
  1. monkeyincognito on June 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    flockigil

  2. Fasternu 426 on June 13th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Buck Ofama!

  3. Rastus on June 13th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    What, a Dim wants to raise taxes and spend more money? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.

  4. texpat on June 13th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Obama’s tax and economic plan will be absolute disaster for this nation. As John McCain said, Obama is running to serve out the second term of the Carter administration. And, hey, he’s already hired Zbigniew Brzezinski. By the time Zbig gets through with our foreign policy, Russia will own South America.

  5. Adee on June 13th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    John Fitzgerald Kennedy and Daniel Patrick Moynihan are spinning in their graves.

  6. Robert M on June 13th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    How come the “gullible ones” haven’t learn from history? Previous Dimwits have tried the “take from the rich and give to the poor” concept and failed. The poor are still the poor but with a free capitalistic society, they have a chance to get out of their poverty. That can’t be said for “BO”s plan of “tax and WASTE”.

  7. houstondem on June 13th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    4 - Carter’s second term > Bush’s third term. And I believe a certain democratic president raised taxes during the 1990’s…how did that turn out? And final point, Obama’s top economic guy, Jason Furman, is much more of a centrist than a liberal. He is pro-free trade and has voiced support for privatization of social security.

  8. sargevining on June 14th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    houstondem Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
    4 - Carter’s second term > Bush’s third term. And I believe a certain democratic president raised taxes during the 1990’s…how did that turn out? And final point, Obama’s top economic guy, Jason Furman, is much more of a centrist than a liberal. He is pro-free trade and has voiced support for privatization of social security.

    Houdem:

    Lived through both the Carter Presidency and the Bush Presidency.

    There’s a reason why Carter only had one term.

    I was in the military when Carter was President. We lost more prestige among the nations of the world than Bush ever did because we became a paper tiger and Mulsim Extremists walked right the frik over us and we do nothing.

    We were’t even given ammuntion to trai with—and the lack of funding and training resources resulted in the fiasco at Desert One.

    Carter punish the oil companines for making “windfall profits” and we ended up with gas lines going around the corners at gas stations.

    Carter punished the rich by imposuing “luxury taxes” and the business that caterd to the rich went bust in this country adn went overseas. The ship building industry in Maine nevfer recuperated. We ended up spending more on welfare and unemployment thanwe collected in “luxury taxes”

    The absolute WORST part of this is Brezinski. Picking that dunderhead to lead his foreign polcy advisors shows me Obama is dangerously niave and ignorant.

    I could give a rosty red rat’s rump if his economic advisor is a centrist. The market will go in the tank before Obama is sworn in because folks will be divesting themselves of investments before the increased Captial Gains Tax comes in.

    We’re paying 4 dollars a gallon for gas, and Obama is against increasing domestic production.

    We’ve damn near won in Iraq and Obama wants to surrender.

    Food prices are rising, and Obama’s answer is to increase my frikkin taxes.

    Yah—what a great frikkin idea that is.

  9. hamous on June 14th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    And I believe a certain democratic president raised taxes during the 1990’s…how did that turn out?

    With this.

  10. houstondem on June 14th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Ranking of presidents from the s&p 500 at the beginning of their term to the s&p 500 at the end of their term.

    Bill Clinton 1993-2001 1 433.37 1,342.54 17.4%
    Gerald R. Ford August 1974-1977 5 86.02 102.97 17%
    Harry S. Truman April 1945-1953 7 13.64 26.57 15.6%
    Dwight D. Eisenhower 1953-1961 9 26.57 58.11 14.9%
    Ronald Reagan 1981-1989 4 131.65 286.63 14.4%
    George H. W. Bush 1989-1993 10 286.63 433.37 14.4%
    John F. Kennedy 1961- November1963 3 58.11 74.01 12.4%
    Jimmy Carter 1977-1981 6 102.97 131.65
    11.2%
    Lyndon B. Johnson November 1963-1969 2 74.01 103.86 10.2%
    Richard M. Nixon 1969-August 1974 8 103.86 86.02 0.6%

    S&P 500 Annualized Total Return (%)

    Nice try hammy.

  11. houstondem on June 14th, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Oh and the mortgage meltdown will be worse than the tech meltdown was. Oh and the mortgage meltdown was preventable while the tech meltdown was not. Oh and Bush is directly responsible for the mortgage meltdown.

  12. pimlico on June 15th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    They stole the money……… Nevertheless the payroll tax on the high end may actually help the situation slightly. …However, I would rather that they lower the rate and take it all the way up on income and dividends. Say at 3%-5%,( the #’s have to be crunched, where is Bettencourt?) or whatever makes the thing become viable. We cannot keep expecting ONLY working people (under $90,000 per year or whatever it is now.) to pay the full burden, when so many are retiring. The whole economy has to be Taxed in some way to keep the thing going. …I realize that some may see this in a bad light, but we must look outside the box on this one and that’s something the Washingtonians are not good at.

  13. pimlico on June 15th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    One more thing. If the payroll tax were to be lowered to 3% and it were paid on both income and dividends, That would make it MUCH EASIER for companies to hire people. They would pay the matching 3% and that would go all the way up. If a large concern pays their CEO 20 million, He would pay 60 grand and they would also. If you make $40,000, you and your employer would pay $1200 each. The 3% may not be the magic #, but it should be looked into. I think I’l include this in my Minicule fair tax proposals.

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