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45 Responses to “BREAKING: SCOTUS rules 2nd Amendment protects individual rights”
  1. FourAlarm on June 26th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    This ruling might determine whether we point our guns, while we still have them, their direction or not.

  2. Tektite on June 26th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    Gentleman and Ladies,

    Just saw a news program on Nightline about open carry. I was surprised that it was well done, explained the issue from those who were in favor of open carry. Not one person from the Brady group or such was interviewed.

    I, like many have been watching and waiting for the Sc to rule. I have followed the case and seen much analysis of the arguments and what the justices said.

    With that said, I have a bad feeling about the decision that will be handed down. I am not sure why, but I do. I guess it stems from the fact that I have little confidence in some of the supremes to do their job properly. I guess it may have to do with some of the really stupid decision and reasoning behind them that they have produced over the last few years like todays decision on rape.

    Perhaps we will get a mixed decision as some have suggested, but is that really a good thing? At this stage in doing that does not that take the air out of the sails of our arguement over the 2nd amendment? In doing so, will not that then give the opening for more regulation leading a complete erosin of the right? I have even heard the the status qua will be retained by the court. Again is that really a good thing? I think it just gives the opposition more time and possibilities to eliminate our rights as set forth by the Founders.

    I really should be more optimistic about this especially since I was playing hooky from work, with bosses, at the shooting range. Got to send 100, rounds through my new (had for several months) PX4 storm in 40 cal and fire 100 rounds with my trusty WWII vintage 1911 (frame made in 1917. While I was there I taught my boss and his wife the basics of shooting while my other boss (ex-cop) watched. Great fun had by all. Especially knowing that my bosses and wife are getting their CHL’s soon. Doing this activity (as well as news of the recent home invasions) really brought home (again) the importance of this precious right.

    With this feeling about the Supreme court, brings me to another thought. What about the future. I think Judge Bork had it right. We are slouching toward Gomorrah. I realize we have been going in that direction for quiet awhile. Evidence of that can be seen in the recent Pew poll on Religion as well as the happenings in our cities and schools. I think that one of my good friends put it this way. We may not be able to stop the slide but we sure can slow it and retard it. The question is how.

    The answer is staring us in the face. It is our choice for President and Congressman and Senators. IT is the top of the ticket that defines the agenda. That is why I urge everyone to Vote McCain over Obama or any of the other pretenders. I have shown you what Taxes would look like under the other Obama. We all know what kind of judges Obama would nominate. We also need a Congress and Senate that would vote in McCains direction.

    I know that some have suggested we need to not vote for anyone as president and wait it out for 4 to 8 years of democrat president. Can we really risk it? With the way our country is slouching towards Gomorrah, can we afford it? Can we really afford another cycle with a Pelosi or Reid at the helm of their respective chambers?

    I do not pretend that McCain is perfect. Heck he was not in my top 3 picks. But when looking at his overall record he is light years better that anyone else out there.

    Folks, we need to wake up. I hope I am wrong about the SC.

  3. pimlico on June 26th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    I suppose Law abiding Citizens in DC can protect themselves against the criminals, at last…..NOT only the criminals will have guns.

  4. NativeAmerican on June 26th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    #2 tt
    We’re no longer slouching toward Gomorrah; this country is stampeding that direction these days.

  5. texpat on June 26th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    #2 Tektite

    This will not be a panacea as SCOTUS rulings rarely, if ever, are such. What it will do is establish the individual right as opposed to the collective right and all future litigation and legislation will have to rest firmly on that foundation. It completely redraws the landscape.

  6. Shannon on June 26th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Thank you George W. Bush, Alito and Roberts.

  7. Fasternu 426 on June 26th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Yeaaaah!

    I’m glad five of them can read.

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    Keep this and other rights intact by doing the following:

    Hold your nose and vote for McCain for Prez. Keep Obama’s hopey-change crap out of the Whitehouse!

    Join, renew, or upgrade your membership to the NRA!

    Life member since 1998. Member since waaay before that!

    Our freedom is like a garden. You have to keep the weeds, feral hogs, crows, and squirrels from ruining it.

  8. texpat on June 26th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    Tom Goldstein @ SCOTUSblog:

    Quoting the syllabus: The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditional lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

    Montepulciano for everyone ! It’s on the house !

    (send your wine tabs to D. Benzion c/o LST)

  9. Fasternu 426 on June 26th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Ok crappy link….

    NRA membership

  10. Fasternu 426 on June 26th, 2008 at 9:46 am
  11. NativeAmerican on June 26th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    #8 texpat
    I think I’ll pass on the wine(?), but I might just have to crack open my really good scotch (25 year Lagavulin) tonight.

  12. Fasternu 426 on June 26th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    If you want to be in the militia, join the Texas National Guard, I can hook you up with that. As far as owning a gun. Help yourself… It’s in the US Constitution, which is not a living-breathing document.

  13. texpat on June 26th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    #9 NA

    Montepulciano, a Tuscan red, is Nino Scalia’s favorite wine.

  14. FourAlarm on June 26th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    OK, Matt… What was the pic you had in the pipeline had the decision gone the other way?

  15. RickG on June 26th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    I am overjoyed. My only disappointment is that four of our Supreme Court justices apparently think it would be perfectly all right for the government to ban private ownership of guns.

    We must not give Obama a chance to appoint the next justice.

  16. Fasternu 426 on June 26th, 2008 at 9:52 am
  17. 1USA1 on June 26th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    It’s a great day for America!

    BOOOOOOOO 4 justices that got it wrong!

  18. Katfish on June 26th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    #7 - Fasternu - I’m all about the 2nd amendment……but the NRA left a really bad taste in my mouth a few years back - by not living up to their commitment in return for a contribution. I’m glad as he(( for their good work but they can KEEP their massive loads of beg-a-thon mail and their broken word………..

  19. Tektite on June 26th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    I am sure glad that the bad feeling I had about the SC decision was wrong. But I am still not sure that we are out of the woods on this subject.

    I think Texpat perhaps said it best when he said it does “completely redraws the landscape”. Now we have to go through the exercise of the lower courts defining the second amendment and watch it work its way up the chain. Out right bans are out but now we will have to see what type of restrictions are placed upon the citizens.

    NativeAmerican, you may be correct. I recognize that we are not creeping but I am not sure that were are stampeding (landsliding). We sure are moving towards it in an accelerated pace.

  20. Maltboys Evil Twin on June 26th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    Thank God that five justices have well regulated (in the context of 18th century English) mental faculties.

  21. Darren10 on June 26th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    In interpreting this text, we are guided by the principle that “[t]he Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning.”

    EXACTLY. Judicial Review is a power given to We the People, NOT to the courts!!!

    I love Scalia. Weren’t he and J. Kennedy nominated by Reagan?

  22. Typical White Hogfan on June 26th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Just fired off a couple 50 cals in celebration here at the Hogpound. Two less saplings in my line of fire.

    Time to join the toast with texpat & NA. Can we add a good small bath bourbon (Woodfords Reserve) and a St. Arnolds Ale in the mix??

  23. Adee on June 26th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    And it will be fascinating to see what happens and the effect of this decision in the states that have incorporated the Bill of Rights into their own constitutions. Will that slap down challenges by any state entity therein that wants to restrict the right to keep and bear arms beyond what the Heller decision deems permissible?

  24. Tektite on June 26th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    The mayor of DC just stated he is imposing strict controls on ownership. Like registration, no semiautomatic weapons……

    Could not hear the rest of the order. Probably just like the previous restrictions

  25. Shannon on June 26th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Another excerpt from Scalia’s opinion:

    We know of no other enumerated constitutional right whose core protection has been subjected to a freestanding “interest-balancing” approach [responding to Justice Breyer’s proposal for a new standard for the right to possess a gun]. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government – even the Third Branch of Government – the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth [his emphasis] insisting upon. A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges’ assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all. Constitutional rights are enshrined with the scope they were understood to have when the people adopted them, whether or not future legislatures or (yes) even future judges think that scope is too broad. We would not apply an “interest-balancing” approach to the prohibition of a peaceful neo-Nazi march through Skokie… Like the First, it is the very product of an interest-balancing by the people – which Justice Breyer would now conduct for them anew.

    H/T The Corner

  26. vlou on June 26th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    This is historic. I don’t look for an appeal from the gun control advocates (or can you appeal a SC ruling?).

  27. texpat on June 26th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    #25 Shannon

    Beautiful…

  28. Maltboys Evil Twin on June 26th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    We’ve been reading the opinions here too. Scalia really put the wood to Ginsberg and Stevens. Again.

  29. 1USA1 on June 26th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    I heard that weasel D.C. Mayor says the ban lift doesn’t apply to semi autos. He needs to be run out of town on a rail.

  30. texpat on June 26th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    What I tried to quote in #27:

    We would not apply an “interest-balancing” approach to the prohibition of a peaceful neo-Nazi march through Skokie… Like the First, it is the very product of an interest-balancing by the people – which Justice Breyer would now conduct for them anew.

  31. Big45Iron on June 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Holy smokes!! Justice Kennedy actually got on the right side of the issue this time. If we catch enough heathens in the act, it will not be necessary to have such idiotic rulings as we did yesterday. The execution will have take place at the time of the crime. To expedite this event, I recommend these.

    http://www.buffalobore.com/cart/cartview.asp?i=1

  32. Big45Iron on June 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Well, that didn’t work well. They’re 325 grain Colt 45 (long) recommended for dangerous game up to 1,000 lbs!

  33. Big45Iron on June 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Now the next question. Can we use this to overturn some of the gun control legislation of the last 130 years?

    http://www.infoplease.com/spot/guntime1.html

  34. Shannon on June 26th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Seen elsewhere:

    No more Back Alley DC gun sales!!!

  35. Big45Iron on June 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Here we also have proof that liberals, including SCOTUS liberals, don’t give a hoot about the Bill of Rights. If it suits their purpose, they will run all over your God given (not Constitution given) rights.

  36. hamous on June 26th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    We must not give Obama a chance to appoint the next justice.

    If that hasn’t been made abundantly clear to everyone today there is nothing anyone can say or do to get through.

  37. Big45Iron on June 26th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    MORE HOT NEWS RULING FROM SCOTUS:
    Supreme Court strikes down part of campaign finance law

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080626/pl_nm/usa_politics_court_money_dc;_ylt=AlTTuvNvBoY.Y1lckEMwJH6s0NUE

  38. Jaime on June 26th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    I read the decision a earlier. Mostly good news but there are some issues in there that will have to be ruled at a later case.

    Licensing required to exercise a fundamental right? By definition, a license is apermit to do XYZ that otherwise would be illegal. Licensing was not tackled in this case but, why not?

    Who will define mentally ill?
    Who will define what is a legitimate sel-defense weapon? A sawed-off shotgun is a very good weapon for home defense but it is illegal!

    Still sleep with one eye open.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-2901.pdf

  39. Shannon on June 26th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    36
    It has.
    There isn’t.

  40. Jaime on June 26th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    An amusing aspect of this opinion is ow Stvens get smacked down, then Brayer, then Stvens get smacked down again. LOL

    Eugene Volokh’s (of the Volokh Conspiracy web site) study on the 2nd amendment is referenced.

    Also, William Rawle’s A View of the
    Constitution of the United States of America is freferenced in the decision. Rawle’s View was used in West Point as the textbook for studying constitutinal issues when Rober E. Lee, for example, attended. Rawle’s is explcit on a State’s undelegaed authority to secede.

  41. NativeAmerican on June 26th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    #31 b45
    Reminds me of a couple quotes from Johnny Dangerously.

    D.A. Burr: The public sees him as a knight in shining armor.
    Danny Vermin: This goes through armor . . . and it goes through the victim, through the wall, through a tree outside.

    Dutch: It’s an .88 Magnum.
    Danny Vermin: It shoots through schools.

  42. american woman on June 26th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    WWWTPD for today

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

  43. american woman on June 26th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    The Obama adviser who suggested Winnie the Pooh was really on to something. In my research, because I am every vigilant, wanting to learn from Pooh, I have found this.

    “Have you got your gun?”
    “Of course I have”, you said. “But if I do that, it will spoil the balloon.”
    “But if you don’t,” said Pooh, “I shall have to let go, and that would spoil me.”

    It seems that Pooh agrees with the Supreme Court, does this mean he is off the adviser list for Obama?

  44. LTC on June 26th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    …history showed that the way tyrants had eliminated a militia consisting of all the ablebodied men

    was not by banning the militia

    but simply by taking away the people’s arms,

    enabling a select militia or standing army to suppress political opponents.

    http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/HellerOpinion.pdf

  45. Jaime on June 27th, 2008 at 8:30 am

    So, is it reasonable to have a licensing scheme in order for us to subscribe to a magazine? So why is it reasonable to require a license in order to exercise a right to purchase/own a weapon, which by definition, preexists the central government itself?

    And it is also reasonable to limit a class of weapon? Machine guns for example? Are we not told to be in mortal fear because “if we do not fight them over there they will come here?” At least, if they come over here should we not be able to own, unencumbered, weapons with burst mode?

    Is a sawed-off shotgun not a great weapon against home invaders? Who says it is not?

    The SCOTUS decision says we have an individual right but a right afforded only with restrictions.

    That hole needs to be plugged. Rights have no preconditions save one: conviction in a felony. and, it seems mor and more these days, everything is becomng a felony crime.

    Only a partial victory, in mu opinion.

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