A Harris County grand jury decided today that Joe Horn should not be charged with a crime for shooting two suspected burglars he confronted outside his neighbor’s home in Pasadena last fall.
The decision to clear Horn of wrongdoing came two weeks after the grand jury began considering evidence in the case, including Horn’s testimony last week.
UPDATE BY BRAMANTI: Laurence Simon weighs in on this story, as only he can.
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I wonder if we will ever see what “evidence” there was and whether some of the rumors were true or false.
Hooray for the common sense of the ordinary citizen.
Wonder if the DA will try a “Ronnie Earle” and go grand jury shopping?
Hope somebody e mails this to Lisa Falkenberg at ye dear ol home town Chronicle. She convicted Mr Horn months ago.
He could be my neighbor anytime!
Hallelujah!
I wonder if QX will still do his protest march down Joe’s street? (Again).
Yeah for common sense! & the Wild, Wild, west!!!
Joe Horn deserves a crimestoppers award! He is also deserving of a 10%fee for saving the taxpayers of Texas Multi-millions in attorney fees, court costs and upkeep for the 2 sleezebuckets he rehabilitated for less than $.25; what a bargain!
One small step for man (out the door), and two giant leaps (a 12 gauge will do that to you) for mankind.
Justice prevails. For a change.
Joe’s new theme song Shotgun Whoopin’ by Johnnie Shines.
A politically correct decision!
Law allows you to shoot in defence of your life and property but is silent on defending your neighbor’s property.
Shooting in the back is hardly your life in danger but surely it is the macho thing to do.
It all fits!
Between this and the heller decision it is a bad day for criminals and a good day for law abiding citizens and their right to defend life, liberty and property!
Oh really Rahman?
If this were REALLY a PC decision, then he would have already been convicted and on death row.
Are you Q the tenth posting?
#10 - I must have overlooked the part in the story explaining these nuns were collecting donations for orphans with leprosy.
- It was already loaded! Jesus, Clyde, you have three pistols and you only have one arm for Christ’s sake.
- - Well I just don’t want to be killed for lack of shootin’ back.
Moral of this story… Never carry so much booty that you can’t go for your gun. Here endeth the lesson.
The decision was PC? Noodles, are you out of your mind?
Joe Horn was a white man who shot two criminals, both of whom were illegal aliens. In a liberal world, an “oppressor” (the PC term for white man) defending his neighbors from “non-documented workers” (the PC term for those who steal the things that Americans don’t want to steal, aka illegal aliens) would be facing the death penalty.
Fortunately, Joe Horn was tried by 12 people who actually possess common sense.
This case just goes to prove the adage — Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
The real moral is “never mess with another man’s booty.” How ever you wanna take that.
Hehehe! I hope Joe finds some peace now. Some people are tender, and worry even if they squash a roach.
And I hope QX finds what he needs . . . like an extra large tube of Preparation H. Or maybe a real job, and a life.
Mr. Horn now realizes that he was excessive in his reaction and the punishment did NOT fit the crime.
Just because 12 men found him to be innocent does NOT end this case, rather, starts a new discussion how far a citizen is allowed to stop a crime in progress.
Rahman, tell the truth now. Aren’t you really glad these two criminal who had previous criminal convictions and who came here illegal from another country are no longer around to threaten you or your family or neighbors?
Or do you wish they were alive and out on bail committing other crimes? Of course I don’t expect you to answer these questions directly or with common sense. So just give us your usual left wing blather and we’ll go on.
Press 1 if you favor the Joe Horn method of stopping a crime in progess.
Press 2 if you favor the noodle method of letting the criminal go merrily on their way to commit other crimes in hopes that law enforcement officials will capture them, keep them in jail until their trial, sentence them to lengthy prison terms, then deport them to their native country and ensure the border is guarded sufficiently to prevent their return.
12 AMERICANS say the punishment did fit the crime. If you invade a home and steal property, and you are caught in the act your life is forfeit. Stay in your own country and commit crimes. Stay in your own country until you clear immigration to come here legally. If by chance you do come here illegally, you better stay within the law while you are here.
PS. Anybody want to start a fund to buy Mr. Horn a better shotgun?
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# 18 Mr. BigMan
Your hatred for liberals is exceeded by your ignorance in the matter!
Do they deserve to be killed because they were unlawful in this country?
Do they deserve to be killed because they were fleeing from the crime scene with or without their score?
Do they deserve to be killed because they were black and were hitting on a whiteman’s property?
Soryy if I embarassed you a little by asking these pertinent questions!
#17 If the 2 ILLEGAL ALIENS were not ROBBING A HOUSE, they would not have been shot. Is cutting off the right hands of the t_rds a better punishment in your mind? Justince was served twice in this case; the perps are dead, never to commit crimes again AND the hands by whom justice was efficiently rendered were declared “blood free” by a jury of his peers. Take your liberal/pc crap back to camel land.
All, being no-billed by a grand jury is not finding him innocent or not guilty. It merely says that that particular grand jury at this particular time with the particular facts of the case as they are currently understood presented to them determined that the case should not proceed to trial. It can be revisited at any time if new facts come to light up until any relevant statutes of limitation expire.
# 20
The laws of the United states do not advocate killing an illegal for theft.
Do we smell wrongful death lawsuit?? The dead man’s girlfriend cannot sue because she is not married to him, does any other illegal alien want to sue?? And have we seen the last of Quanell Ten on this matter, I don’t think so.
# 23 Bonehead
Read my response # 25
Rahman, do you know if they had previously raped or murdered other people in the commission of the crime of robbery?
Rahman, I don’t know what their color was. I don’t care if they were foreign born or American born. I don’t care if their name was Ochoa or O’Malley. I don’t even care about the nationality or legality of the people whose home they broke into.
All I care about is that these two dangerous criminals will never repeat their crime, nor will they commit any other.
I’ll put you down for a 2.
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# 22
Yes, Yes and yes
Thats the law and if you do not like it - move to Massachusetts where there are so many liberials that government can take away your guns and you will not even protest.
But in TEXAS we have rights, we have the right not to live in fear of being robbed or our property stollen. We have the right to shoot the SOB’s who try to steal our property or threaten our lives.
And if the criminals don’t like TOUGH, they will be dead so who cares
# 19
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I always heard “Dead guys make lousy witnesses”
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#28-Be honest for once. Joe Horn didn’t know either if they had previously raped or murderd other people in the course of a robbery when he shot them. Also, you do know what their color was and where they were born. A big part of the reason you wanted to no-bill Joe Horn is the fact that the two mens names were not O’Malley.
I’ll bet noodleboy would duplicate Carl Rowan’s anti firearms actions! Fortunately Rowan’s son was a definite cut above. The late arch liberal black nationalist writer Carl Rowan who did op-ed for the WaPo and Chicago Sun Times.
Rowan gained public notoriety on June 14, 1988, when he shot a teenage tresspasser, Neil Smith, who was using Rowan’s swimming pool in Washington, D.C.. Rowan used an unregistered .22 LR pistol. Critics charged hypocrisy, since Rowan was a strict gun control advocate. In a 1981 column, he advocated ” a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail — period.” In 1985, he called for “A complete and universal federal ban on the sale, manufacture, importation and possession of handguns except for authorized police and military personnel.”
Immediately after the shooting, Rowan offered several conflicting accounts about where he got the handgun. He first said that he had purchased the gun himself in response to threats on his life (which he later claimed had been made by the Ku Klux Klan). He also initially claimed that the gun had been properly registered. However, when District of Columbia police disclosed that the gun had not been registered, Rowan changed his story, claiming that the gun belonged to his son, who was an FBI agent and did not have to register it since it properly registered federally. This turned out to be false also.
Police officials pointed out that under D.C. law, all guns must be registered locally; failure to do so was punishable by up to a year in prison and a $1,000 fine. Rowan was tried but the jury was deadlocked, the judge declared a mistrial and he was never retried.
Gadboy, had their names been O’Malley, I would have favored deporting them too! LOL. We’ll put you down for a 2 also Gadboy. And since their were in the commission of commiting a crime against another person’s home, I’ll presume they were violent criminals.
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I’ll only vote once.
Wow Rahman - what’s got your panties in a wad?
Were you in or on the Grand Jury, and did you hear all the evidence? Did you get to hear any answers to the questions? Did you get to ask pointed questions of EVERYBODY called?
12 Americans did, and found that there wasn’t enough to take it to trial.
Get over it.
(I still think it’s Q the Tenth posting….)
#22 Rahman
According to the actions of Joe Horn, the laws of Texas, and the decision of the 12 jurors who determined Mr. Horn’s actions were lawful, yes, they deserved their chosen fate. You’re not going to win this one. Get over it.
Gadboy, so you think Joe Horn should have:
#3 ID’d, done a background check, and questioned them and then made a decision on whether or not they were telling the truth regarding any previous violent criminal behavior before applying deadly force?
Or should he have:
#4 Just used common sense and presumed since they were robbing somebody’s home that they had already shown behavior of a magnitude that it had or likely could threaten the lives of innocent peoples, and put their sorry butts six feet under?
Again noodle head and gadboy, nobody here really cares what their nationality, color, country of origin, or any other factor was. We’d be just as satisfied if he’s shot a student from a Luthern seminary who was caught burglaring a home? You do this kind of crime and you are caught in the act and don’t get on the ground in three seconds (I’m allowing them an extra second in case they hurt their back in the commission of the crime) when faced with a firearm in the hands of a cop of an honest citizen, well then, BLAM, BLAM. Any questions?
“ONE”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The big bad robbers shouldda stayed deported - and now their families would still have a living Father, Son, Brother, Uncle etcetcetcetc
Hear HEAR Harris Co. Grand Jury!!!!
Buy Horn a better shotgun? Why bother? The one he has works deliciously well. The sights don’t even need to be dialed in.
Aren’t you glad you don’t live in Los Angeles? I am…
“Why can’t we all just get along”…
Wrong. 12 men and women (remember we’re not under Shari’a law…yet) found that there wasn’t even enough evidence to indict him with a crime. Not only that, but changes to the “castle doctrine” law last year prohibit any civil suit against Joe Horn.
This neighborhood has been burgled before. (an Asian family) The person’s house who was being burgled this time, were Asian.
I think you all can put the race card back into your wallet for another day.
Here’s a message: Don’t burgle someone’s house (or tresspass for that matter) and you won’t be killed.
…and by the tone of the DA’s statement I’d say he won’t be pulling a Ronnie Earle on this case.
#27 WE ARE PREMITTED, in the State of Texas to Shoot someone breaking into our house; or our neighbor’s house provided we know that it is not our neighbor or their agent entering the home. The owner or owners agent would likely USE A KEY instead of breaking the door down. IN TEXAS we are armed and if you violate the sanctity of our home or our loved ones/neighbors homes you are putting your life in jeopardy. What part do you not understand about not committing robbery/burgulary?!? You say that the punishment did not fit the crime when caught by A PRIVATE CITIZEN, I SAY A POX ON YOUR HOUSE! YOU ARE WRONG.
Go back to your childish, non-thinking liberal playground and let the adults deal with those who refuse to live in civilized society. Remember, no foul - no punishment. Don’t break into someones home/car/business and you won’t get shot not too difficult is it?
I vote 1
Wait a sec 4alarm. Not entirely accurate. It took 3 shell to drop 2 perps.
Monkey #45, oh, give him a break. 3 for two is pretty good. A 10 gauge might have got 2 for 2, but it hurts to fire those.
To answer the question why Q10 hasn’t screamed at cameras yet, I’ll take a wild guess and say gas is expensive and Hummer motorcades full of minions burn a lot of it.
He’ll wait for the crews to come to him… or until they send a limo to pick him up for an “in-depth” interview.
Quannell couple a nickels ain’t likeing this one
Remember when Pilgrims Cleaners used to do the shotgun stakeouts in their stores and kill a few robbers from time to time. That usually solved their robbery problems for years at a time. Worked for Pilgrims, works for Joe Horn, and it works for me.
This is rather like AIDS. If you don’t exhibit the offending conduct, it’s very unlikely going to kill you.
LOL, I remember those ads! They had a guy sitting up above the floor with a shotgun daring you to rob them.
Ah, the good old days!
#45 monkeyincognito
Three? Naw, the 1st one was the mandatory warning shot into the air. Seen it done just that way on TeeeeVeee gabillions of times.
#52:
This could be the best example I’ve seen of a “death penalty” having a deterrent effect in a long time. I suspect that burglaries in Mr. Horn’s neighborhood have been trending down for a while.
Did those two dudes “deserve to die?”
Probably not, but they voluntarily surrendered their right to live as soon as they violated the private property of another with malicious intent.
Whether Joe Horn or the property owners pulled the trigger is a secondary consideration in light of the fact that the state can not prevent petty burglaries from occurring.
People, whether individually or in groups retain the right to protect themselves, imho.
#54 Well stated sir.
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Wish I lived next to Gadboy and Noodlehead. Would love to put up those signs that say, the house next door does not have a gun, and the owner states that if you burlarize their home they will not use deadly force against you.
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Matt/David, can’t we replace the smoking poll with the my Joe Horn poll? Or have we already done that one?
I’ve got nine #1’s and two #2’s.
Uh - no. LST Moderator
Here’s my sign for like neighbor next door…
No guns. Pacifist next door ——>
(Milk in the fridge. Oreos in the Pooh jar)
I’d like some clarification IF anyone knows. For a couple of weeks local tv news has stated Joe Horn shot these men in the back. In the beginning we heard shot, spun, shot in back. I am wondering if the media chose to only describe one of the shots because it sounds more criminal. Chanel 13 interviewed passersby, and one woman stated they were shot in the back, Mr. Horn should be punished. Is this woman the product of a media driven to sway the citizen or was the media correct in the description?
One.
61 AW,
You’d have to get the police report, EVERYONE has a slant on this one.
At first I heard, one side, two back (for the second gentleman, hehehe!), but the Comical just keeps screaming “shot in the back”.
Back, front, side . . . all works for me. You come after me or mine, I’m gonna double-tap ya and look for another target.
Good? Bad? I’m the guy with the gun.
Bigjolly, my son mentioned the link below the topic and I explained how the famous bounty hunter actually works. Without missing a beat, he asked “Isn’t that a bounty pimp?”
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I would like to see the Pasadena crime report for Mr. Horn’s neighborhood. With that being said, I do believe what Mr. Horn said was very sincere. The shooting will trouble him for the rest of his days. My concern will now be for Mr. Horn in the sense that someone will now try to extract an “eye for an eye” from Mr. Horn.
Of course it will trouble him the rest of his life. Had he been a peace officer and the perps had faced him with a gun and he killed them, he would still have trouble with it the rest of his life. But he will be able to look in the mirror and know he did the right thing. He’s not a criminal. He’s a defender of life and what we hold dear. What he did won’t affect what criminals do….but they made avoid Joe Horn’s block.
#61 AW
Grand jury testimony and evidence are confidential in the state of Texas. Unfortunately, that leaves the door open for news outlets to try to manipulate public opinion before trial if an indictment is returned. If a person is no-billed, there will be no trial and the rumor mill continues to churn. It’s just part of the deal.
Big Iron;
Put me down for a rock-solid # 1.
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To Whome It May Concern;
Joe Horn is someone I’d pay to have as a neighbor.
Someone needs to buy him a box of shells!
KTRH’s on-air characterization of Horn as shooting two men he “believed” were breaking into his neighbor’s house is reprehensible.
He “believed” they were robbing the neighbor because, according to ABC News, he “saw two burglars leave his neighbor’s house, one of them carrying a bag filled with cash and jewelry.”
That seems a solid enough foundation for not just belief, but downright KNOWLEDGE of a burglary taking place.
I wonder why the station chooses to characterize it otherwise.
Joe Horn saw two men, not his neighbors, enter his neighbor’s house. Joe Horn called police. Police failed to arrive after several minutes and CRIMINAL scumbags began to leave with Neighbor’s property. Joe Horn prevented the lose of Neighbor’s property.
It Works For Me.
KTRH has been on a downward spiral in many ways since they decided to put that idiot Wayne Dolcefino as their new poster boy since Marvin passed away. They have become the official/unofficial TV station for Sheriff Candidate Adrian Garcia and the DA candidate Bradford. Dolcefino appears to have a grudge against law enforcement which is not a suprise since he was spotted having a tantrum after going to traffic court. He was upset that he had to wait most of the day before his case was called and dismissed. HE went and asked talk to the clerk. The clerk went out side to talk to him. He threw a fit about why he had to sit there wasting his time when they could have notify him that his case had been dismissed. He was told that it was dismissed because the cop was unavailable to be there to testify. Wayne then proceed on another tirade before the clerk told him that the cop that cited him was killed in a traffic accident several months back.
So with reporters like him now the big center piece, I am not suprised.
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