(CNN) — The Roman Catholic Church is cutting off funds to the community organizing group ACORN, citing complaints over its voter registration drives in the November 4 election as part of the reason.
The Catholic Campaign for Human Development froze its contributions to the group in June amid allegations that Dale Rathke, the brother of ACORN founder Wade Rathke, had embezzled nearly $1 million.
This week, as the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops met in Baltimore, Maryland, the campaign’s chairman said it was cutting all ties with the group.
“We simply had too many questions and concerns to permit further CCHD funding of ACORN groups,” Roger Morin, the auxiliary bishop of New Orleans, Louisiana, told his colleagues in a letter to the conference.
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The embezzlement occurred in 2000 although it did not leak out until May of this year. On election day the CCHD started the forensic audit and came to the proper conclusion. I guess they didn’t want to jeopardize the ACORN work done to date.
Good Riddance, I don’t think ACORN’s return on investment justified their use.
Just one question…or maybe two. Why did it take so long? and where are all the other ACORN “supporters”? Just askin’….
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!
As a Catholic, I detested that my church was still involved with that group.
/spits
May it be the beginning of many more disassociations.
That’s really good news.
Darn skippy!
#2 wfish
I suspect the RC waited until after election to avoid jeopardizing their registrations. For all the hoopla ACORN has appeared to cooperate in every investigation. I don’t recall the ACORN organization actually being charged with anything. The last number I saw for valid registrations was 450,000 out of 1.3M collected. Whether that’s true or not I don’t know but given the organization’s reputation I have my doubts.
The organization is tainted and probably will not be used again. The members will reorganize and surface under another name. They are a for profit corporation and I haven’t seen a list of their customers.
The RC has a fine established record for community organization and social activism, I suppose they’ll use other groups or perhaps perform it inhouse.
#6 Shamaal
Do you mean “RCC”? “RC” has me confused. Usually, when abbreviating “Roman Catholic Church” we use the three letter abbreviation.
Just askin’.
My mistake, I usually say RC Church and lost it in a delete.
is there a penance involved?
As usual evberything happens after the fact. Where was all this information during the election. So now what happens after the damage is done. It’s a good thing the Dimwits have “double standards” to fall back on in every instance where there is any improprieties.
Or perhaps they wanted to avoid jeopardizing their tax exempt status and the lawsuits and federal investigations that would surely follow for having the unmitigated audacity to try and influence the election outcome at the expense of TEO.
ACORN’s embezzlement problem have been known since May, the perpretator still works for them in the international department.
I suspect that when the final report is issued on on the 2008 election they will not find evidence of registration fraud on the part of the ACORN organization. I haven’t seen many allegations of voter fraud, only one prosecution and the usual handful of whoops it was a mistake (Alex Baldwin).
I don’t believe the RCC commissioning voter registration jeopardizes their tax exempt status,it hasn’t in the past. There are many other organization that participate in it also.
Endorsing a particular candidiate usually draws a protest and very rarely a letter from the IRS. I vaguely recall an accustation in Ohio. All lot of these are political in nature and not pursued afterwards. The IRS and the FEC will toil on the most egregious ones for the next two years.
That’s not what I said. Had they made the announcement before the election the TEO machine would have said the move was meant to make him look bad.
You must not be looking very hard.
http://rottenacorn.com/
Sorry, I clearly misunderstood……
Actually I’m not sure I understand now your jeopardize tax exempt status part. But I suspect the sun will come up tomorrow anyway.
#14 Matt
Do not confuse the ACORN organization with its paid employees. To date there have been no indictments or charges that I am aware of against the ACORN organization. Every indictment I’ve seen is of employees flagged by ACORN as submitting a questionable registration.
AS I understand it many states require that filled out registration cards must be submitted. So if Mickey Mouse registers, it is flagged by the organization as suspect and submitted. The election officials are free to pursue charges, if the state has a law against registration fraud. ACORN claims they have cooperated in all investigations. The actual problems come from the sheer volume of registrations that have to be vetted by voter registration officials.
That’s because the dhimmicrats won.
So let me get this straight. If ACORN’s employees commit fraud while on the clock, and if ACORN sets up their compensation system so employees get rewarded for committing that fraud but never actually comes right out and says “commit fraud”, then ACORN is completely free of any and all legal responsibility for their employee’s actions. Hey, ACORN never told them to do it, so the organization is innocent! Isn’t that the same way Mafia bosses insulate themselves from those who do their dirty work? And isn’t that the same way chemical companies separated themselves from the disposal companies who were dumping their waste for them? Don’t they have a name for that? Isn’t that conspiracy to commit fraud?
Your argument makes about as much sense as blaming the stink at the hog farm on the flies.
Darn flies!
What a couple of weeks these have turned out to be!
We’ve got The Mormons Temples and Chapels being defended by the Baptists and the Catholics ‘et al’.
We have the Catholic Bishops voting with their coffers to disinherit the Acorn fraudsters.
Then we have the Catholic Bishop discussing the denial of Communion and or excommunication of errant Pro-Abortion type politicians.
As I said last week, the Abortion and Gay marriage issues are ‘the line in the Sand’.
Let’s all stick together on these vital moral issues and stand strong.
#18 Matt
Employee commits fraud by registering Mickey Mouse. ACORN fires employee. ACORN must still submit Mickey Mouse registration.
Legally the fraud was comitted against ACORN, not voter registration fraud against the state.
This is how the courts are looking at it. I can’t speak to litigation regarding hogs and flies.
FWIW
The problem is that ACORN has done this for at least the last three election cycles.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, is because I’m in it with you and want it to keep happening.
Here’s where ACORNs strategy of inundating Voter Registrations Offices comes from.
Only in this case, Mr. Alinsky would have said:
They can also put such a burden on Registrar’s and Secretary’s of State offices that many better done fraudlent registrations get through and can be used.
Take a look at the Franken/Cole race to see how that works in a close election.
#21 Shamster
LOL, dude, you need to come correct.
#23 Weekends over!
Regarding Sarge
Think it through, what’s the point of inundating the registers. The fraud is supposed to occur in the voting. So when Mickey Mouse shows up what happens?
It makes a good story to stir the masses and convince the losers that they are victims, but it ain’t happening at the poll booth. To be cost effective voter fraud occurs at the absentee balloting level.
Not mentioned is Alinsky is: If you say it often enough it becomes common knowledge, people think common knowlege is true.
What about the Franken race? The recount is about to start, Coleman is ahead. There is no new voting permitted.
Bettancourt and Crist have areasonably good handle on this. There will be few, if any, charges of voter fraud that come out of this. For 2000 and 2004 there were less than 40 and the Republicans won.
Here’s what happened in 2006
It works like this:
You gather between 5-15 politically motivated volunteers per precinct who have the time and transportation required to go to every other precinct in any major metropolitan area, preferably in states and/or cities where past elections were close and a vfew hundred votes per precinct could make a difference. You ignore those that have traditionally gone overwhelmingly for either side, you can’t generate enough fake votes to make any difference there.
if you think you can’t find that many politically motivated people, take a look at a blog sometime. A few of those who post on blogs are politially motivated enough, and think their cause is important enough, that the would do this.
You prepare enough GOOD fake registrations for them to be able to vote in as many preceincts as each one possibly can. Under normal circumstances, some of those might get discoverd.
SO—
You make the Registrar process 5 or 6 thousand really bad fakes, and you pay a bunch of winos and crack heads to go out and get them for you, thus insuring that there will be a huge pile of work for the Registrar to do.
You make sure you drop them all off as close to the date by which the Registrar has to have them certified, to insure that they will have to work over time under pressure to get them all done.
Under the increased work load, the bogus tregistrations you wanted to get through, and might not have, now have an EXCELLENT cha ce of getting through.
And nobody would know if any fraud was committed.
so don;t give me this crap about
“It’s only voter REGISTRATION fraud.”
Fraud is Fraud—and those who perptrate the same fraud over and over again mean to do it.
Oh,
And per Alinsky, if anyone complains about it, you start screaming about how they are not following thier own rules and are trying to disenfranshice voters.
#24 shamaal
The point is that the tens of thousands of registrations for Mickey Mouse, the Dallas Cowboys, etc. overwhelm the registrars who must check them all. This lets the Mary Jane Smith’s and James Howard Jones’s who are also fraudulent slip through more easily.
Ummmm yeah ……
So your theory is that there’s a group of politically motivated folks manufacturing fake registrations in the hundreds and then going to the precincts to cast their fake votes? Of course they have their fake ID with them, library card utility bill or whatever.
What was the purpose again of the 5000 crackheads?
Clearly these can’t be Democrats they’re not that organized and they can’t be Republicans cause they can’t keep a secret. So do you have a villain in this attempt to sway the vote?
Let me guess, the authorities are powerless to stop it because of liberal judges.
Personally there have been a lot easier, cheaper and effective ways to commit voter fraud, but what the hey, when you are a victim it really doesn’t matter.
Let me know when Vince Foster shows up to vote.
I was trying to out-Alinsky the Shamster (something tells me he’s more familiar with ol’ Saul than he lets on). Particularly these:
(Those were the comments about Obama’s oath and amking sure that we stayed on the actual subject, and not the “madatory oath” issue he tried to make it be.)
(Number 6 is in there because I like doing # 5 so much.)
#27 wb
So ACORN’s tactic of dividing the registrations into three groups of bogus, suspect and legit adds to this conspiracy how?
Here’s what some registrars do, they take the pile of suspect registrations and set them aside. If a voter wanders in with the name in the pile then they take a close look at the registration. Bettancourt can probably explain a better way.
And we are aware that ACORN is not the only registration group?
#29 Sarge
As I recall, Sarge brought up the oath of office in a Pledge of Allegiance discussion. I think that would be rule #8.
Show me a state where anything other than a vaild voter registration card is needed to vote, and you’ve shot me all to pieces.
But we all know tha none do, all you need is that pice of foleded paper and you;re in the booth, done, and ready to drive a mile or two to the next precinct to do it again.
We know it because Democrats have been fighting Voter ID for decades, and Conservatives like us who value the sanctity of the Vote have been fighting to preserve it by requiring a photo ID to vote.
Reading the whole post. Try it some time.
Of course they’re not Democrats. ACORN continually claims to be non-parisan, silly. They use the millions of doallars they get from taxpayers and contributors to only do non-partisan things. Like donate money to Barack Obama.
Last I heard, volunteers wer pretty cheap. I understand you can get some folks who are motivated enough poltically tio make points on blogs all day long all over the country, and get payed nothing to do it.
I bet you know at least one real well.
Well, we know that Mickey Mouse tried to register. I’m guessing it;s only a matter of time before Vince Foster does.
with the Internet, it;s a whole lot easier to gather folks together to do stuff like this. The communications is realtively secure as long as you know the folks you are working with, and there are lots bigger political organizations that have more than 5 people per precinct.
Crap–
It’;s as easy as putting a bowling team together, really.
All you need os a couple of guys who know each other reasonably well, have a common interest, and a deeply held belief.
Folks like that aren’t all that hard to find on either side.
Didn’t say that. I didn’t even know they did. You asked me how fraudulent registrations could be used to accomplish fraudulent voting, and I told you.
Then they are breaking thier own rules, aren’t they? and somebody would sream about disenfranchised voters if they knew they did that and lost the elction, wouldn’t they?
Alinsky would be proud.
Yup.
Which only makes the problem worse.
Think about this:
If there weren’t enough people out there willing to do this kind of thing, wy would Alinsky write a list of rules for them to follow while doing it?
OH–
And why would Tom Wolfe write about the process being dused in Mau Mauing The Flak Catchers?
Nope,
It was me using Rule # 3.
It was an argument I knew would take you blind sided. You were so busy condemening the “madatory oath” that you didn’t consider the other oaths that folks have to take might be made by folks with whom you agree.
I also knew igt was only a matter of time before you used the “peer pressure” argument, which is why I borught it upm early and let it simmer for a while until I hit you with the “peer pressure” issue as it applies to your candidate’s oaths.
One can always count on Liberal Cognitive Dissonance in a pinch.
need to fix one of my responses above:
Nope.
Authorities are powerless to stop it because there is no photo ID required to vote, only a valid registration card, which can be gotten fairly easily of you overload the registrars office with thousands of bogus registrations.
Not having a voter ID puts one in the provisional ballot status. Perhaps all the bogus voters are in the provisional stack?
That explains why the Roman Catholic Church waited until after November 4th.
I guess this is where the crackheads come in.
Name the wager
Huh, the #27 wb in my reply is used to indicate that my replay was to #27 wagonburner. This happened a lot in the other thread, I just assumed I wasn’t being clear.
They are doing it and nobody’s screaming. Election’s aren’t awarded because the registrars disenfranchise voters.
I’m not aware Alinsky advocated voter fraud, other than lying to the voter of course.
I do not recall Wolfe writing of voter fraud in MMTF either, but it has been many years.
#36
Neither the numbers or the proof exists. Just like in the 2000 through 2006 elections, once the elections are over it will turn out there wasn’t a real threat or conspiracy. The victims will whine that they were robbed by the {minority group here}. Sure there may be some voter fraud cases that show up, there usually is. But nowhere near the number to influence an election.
Correctamente, BJ #23.
You are either :
A. Woefully ill informed.
2. Willfully misinforming
3. Never voted.
Nobody is asked for anything other than a voter Registration Card when they vote. period. End of Story.
If you have that card, you can vote.
You get by, uh, registering.
Then they mail one to you.
If you have successfully created a bogus voter registration that can pass a cursory check, you get your voter registration crad in the mail to whatever address, and the courts have ruled that it can be a PO Box, then bingo—you can vote.
The rest of the post is eyewash. You have not sucessfully demostrated that this CAN’T be done.
Although you did try to use Rule #5.
Nice try, but it didn’t work.
#40 Sarge
And a good morning to yourself also.
Right as usual, I won’t survey every other state.
From Ohio
Oh man, I thought this thread was gonna be about the Catholic Church dealing with pedophile priests . . .
Whew!
ACORN sucks. Outlaw ‘em. Like having a fox in the chicken house.
<snork>
Now I have to wipe my keyboard.
Well my bad;
There is one state that requires something more than a Registration Card to vote.
And it’s real effective too.
I understand that have to provide that same kind of documentation is what’s keeping millions of Illegal aliens from getting jobs in this country by make it hard for them to prove that they’re citiizens.
As long as Picture ID is not REQUIRED, and not merely only one of many forms of ID that is acceptable, the way I described how inundating Registrar’s with bogus Registrations still works.
Let’s face it.
The Security measres taken by the Light Company to insure nobody can come up with a fake Light Bill isn’t all that hard to do. A scanner and any one of a number of graphics programs will do the job.